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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: dazmond on January 08, 2015, 04:52:15 pm
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4th day using vision today and to be honest im getting fed up with it.its SLOWING ME DOWN and im using more water!
PROS? it leaves a more noticeable shine for sure and its good for shifting snail trails quicker.
CONS?for me its the rinsing which is bugging me! ::)roll
the solution is sticking to the glass more than just pure water alone and the bubbles are confusing as im not sure whether its bubbles or dirt when rinsing off so im rinsing more thus using more water and slowing me down.
also the glide of the brush is making scrubbing harder.the brush doesnt "grip" the glass at all and im noticing a lot more little bits still on the glass even after rinsing the window twice or 3 times!
an awkward access 6 weekly commercial job this morning usually takes 2 refills of my backpack.today it took 3 refills and the job took me 15 mins longer than usual due to having to scrub and rinse more than usual.the windows were not dirtier than normal
im finding it a nightmare really so i wont be using vision again in my tank.ive never had many problems with using just pure water anyway for window cleaning.
i dont want to come across as slagging off this product but ive tried it and i personally think its not for me.
the last few days i reckon ive been an hour slower overall than my usual time on all jobs.
is vision ok to use in my bucket for trad though?with the added shine and slip it could be a winner! :)
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Thanks Desmond to that honest revue. Said as it is.
I keep thinking its a coating to create shine Nano tech, like Rhino was selling then with drew his offer.
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I found it slows down rinsing too Daz.
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just rinse as you normally would.
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wash your mouth out Dazmond!!! :o
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pretty much same here. I thought cant be arst returning it, so used 1 pump to my 250ltr tank. Much better. I went in the dark to collect a custy money. Spotlight went on. I thought. poop they look good. What a shine. So I may continue....not sure. As for cleaning better unsure. Wasn't any worse for sure. Bubbles were my biggest gripe
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Nothing wrong with plain pure water hence its name "pure" this stuff is a gimmick sorry boys..
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wheres SeanK ;D
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Why don't you put a cap of that gg3 in daz see what that can do.. I bet it's better than vision
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Its great trad, Just rinse as normal on our 2 weekly round which we clean splash and dash the windows today looked great and we were 3 days late cleaning we also rinse brush on on these.
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ive been putting it in the recommended quantities.1 ml per 100 litres.
today it was just too much faffing about rinsing like a newbie!! ;D
when i tried to rinse as a normally would.id return later after id done a few more windows to find loads of little bits still stuck to the window that would not normally be there with just pure water alone.
i really dont like the glide either when scrubbing.
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Always read dazmonds posts so for me I am out.
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Hi Daz!
Sorry you've not had a great day.
Something we are thinking about is reducing the bubble issue. Your not the first to say you don't like that part. On the other hand there are some that like the bubbles (not just in champagne) but I would say more have disliked it.
You could reduce the amount you are putting in, and this will reduce the issue while still keeping a little bit of the shine and cleaning power. Perhaps just dosing your tank every other day, with a smaller measure.
Thanks for your review though. We genuinely want to hear the good and bad as we can very much tweak every part of vision.
P.s yes you can also use it for trad. It leaves a good shine and gives the squeegee better glide too.
Personally I still use ecover as my soap but just put a few mill of vision in my bucket too. Best of both worlds I feel.
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After day 8 of using vision no complaints at all , using a 400 litre tank I put half the recommended dose in tank daily far less bubbles and due to the easy glide feeling less fatigued .
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the shine and cleaning power of just pure water on its own is sufficient i feel.
vision does leave a better shine though and its been great on snail trails as ive already said.
the main gripe is the extra rinsing and bubbles.
also i feel the extra glide is hindering the scrubbing action part and stopping the little bits of grit/dirt being dislodged from the glass surface as easily.rinsing with bubbles is not helping to float them off the glass either.
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Why do u think u need to rinse more?
I've always suspected that a brush that glides easier over the glass isn't actually going to clean as effectively.
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Why do u think u need to rinse more?
I've always suspected that a brush that glides easier over the glass isn't actually going to clean as effectively.
read my post above matt! ;D
i agree.
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Who made this "vision" stuff anyway??
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Whats vision?
I haven't been on here for a couple of weeks so never heard of it.
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After day 8 of using vision no complaints at all , using a 400 litre tank I put half the recommended dose in tank daily far less bubbles and due to the easy glide feeling less fatigued .
Is that a good mix then. 400L for 2ml ?
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After day 8 of using vision no complaints at all , using a 400 litre tank I put half the recommended dose in tank daily far less bubbles and due to the easy glide feeling less fatigued .
Is that a good mix then. 400L for 2ml ?
Thats what I use. Much better. Some times I see bubbles, some none. Leaves a shine. Was hoping Hypo glass would rinse better but....no
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After day 8 of using vision no complaints at all , using a 400 litre tank I put half the recommended dose in tank daily far less bubbles and due to the easy glide feeling less fatigued .
Is that a good mix then. 400L for 2ml ?
Thats what I use. Much better. Some times I see bubbles, some none. Leaves a shine. Was hoping Hypo glass would rinse better but....no
Still get the glide?
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Works for me I found fully dosing more of a hinderence for instance more rinsing required as a safeguard to be certain their was no trapped dirt .
I have found that dosing less is more beneficial so less bubbles, And the windows on my rounds that have always required an extra rinse still do so no change in rinsing if you reduce the dose as you are not waiting for bubbles to clear to be certain of trapped dirt particles .
Frames appear to have a noticeable instant shine , so hopefully overtime this will prevent the plastics having a flat non shiny appearance as is the case with older plastics .
You still get the glide under dosing its a personal intuitive balance worked out over the last week not 3-4 days :P
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Excellent. Thank you very much for that.
Will try 2ml Monday onwards in one van. And normal in another. See how we get on. Cheers
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Always read dazmonds posts so for me I am out.
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Some good honest reviews which we will absorb and react to .
Jonny has already stated that we can tinker and change the Vision ingrediances .
We know the ingredients that can be reduced .
We will adapt Vision and now it's been used by hundreds of persons and not just the original few and original testers we can improve on this .
I've been using it for probably 12 months and I have seen a big improvements in certain windows and commercial properties I clean .
The great feedback with had will definitely help us improve .
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I love it as it is , certainly use less water when wfp. When I trad I use 1 ml Vision and 2ml of Sainsbury's sensitive washing up liquid. even had a customer say how much cleaner her windows were and she is a fussy woman
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Why do u think u need to rinse more?
I've always suspected that a brush that glides easier over the glass isn't actually going to clean as effectively.
I have not had an issue it is helping to cut through the dirt on the glass , I scrub and clean the frames and glass just the same as before vision .
My thoughts are that if you were to clean a car with just water and brush it would be more difficult to clean and overtime the paint finish will become flat and lose the shiny appearance .
Anything which will help maintain the lustre and shine of plastic frames has to be a good thing as scrubbing plastic with a nylon brush does not do much for the plastic frames .
Get some upvc restorer and go and clean some frames instantly you can see the difference . ;)
what i have written above is not in the claims of benefits on the vision website but i do think the frames have a shinier appearance so i am hopefull that the frames are benefiting as well and this will be proven over time .
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I've been using Vision for 12 months now and it really improves my working efficiency.
It does take time to be confident in using Vision .
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big improvements in what way kempy?glass and frames that are cleaned regularly with just pure water stay cleaner longer for sure than when tradded.
minimal dirt to clean off every 4 weeks/6 weeks/8 weeks as it is.
i use a high flow with pencil jets and ive been struggling to rinse the glass properly with vision.some windows i give a quick scrub and rinse in less than 20 secs normally but with vision the solution is gloopy and SLOWLY RUNNING DOWN THE GLASS with bubbles in it.on closer inspection its both dirt and bubbles.so im rinsing more wasting time.on large panes of glass its even worse.nightmare.
maybe theres too much solution in my tank?or is it like this for most vision users?
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Agree with Mike, you can get a flatness to the frames over time, yes they are clean, but defo lose some of that zing, which vision is bringing back.
We did a large commercial housing association earlier this week ( a converted mill ) with big chunky painted frames and I have to say they really shone using just vision treated pure water, didn't use the usual g101 as 4 storey building. So vision defo has some advantages.
I've been out on the glass a lot less, so the bubbles were a little strange and did slow me down for the first 3 or 4 windows, but you need to see past that (ie its part of the product) and rinse as per normal - thereafter your back upto speed. You just need a little more faith in your technique and abilities.
Vision has been used now for nearly a month, the guys like it, on glass time is good and no customer complaints
Darran
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must admit the shine is great but im sure theres too much in my tank!kempy told me to add 10ml on first tank full and 5 ml per 500L after that.maybe i should try it with half that amount?
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Dazmond for the next 2 days I would only add 2-3ml then just 3ML there after you will find you can work better with vision
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I am finding 9ML in an 850tank is too much.
When I put on say 400/500/600/700 L I add the correct ratio.
I feel I would been eveen quicker if the dose was less. So that's what I will be trying.
Rinsing and slowing down. Yes I can see that BUT I rinse as per normal and don't even worry about bubbles.
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Dazmond for the next 2 days I would only add 2-3ml then just 3ML there after you will find you can work better with vision
This week on Monday and Tuesday filling a near empty 400ltr tank I added 3ml then Wednesday and Thursday had about 100ltrs in tank before filling up each morning I only added 2ml of vision or two squirts from plunger .
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Sounds like you double dosed Daz.
It's one squirt per 100 ltrs, I specifically told the guys not to do an extra squirt for luck!
They do dose for a full 100 ltrs, so if they are putting in 350 ltrs its 3 squirts not 4
Darran
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It is about finding the right balance and finding your personal preferences
Less for some is better
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Dazmond for the next 2 days I would only add 2-3ml then just 3ML there after you will find you can work better with vision
Can't agree with Dazmonds post. I've been using this Vision and I find that I don't rinse as much as I did before. Definitely gives a good lustre to glass and frames. Totally agree with Mike and Darren.
I Think you need to use less of the product per tankful Dazmond, see how you get on!
With what normally would be problematic windows on my round, ones that usually leave drip marks from two smaller openers above a big pane, I've noticed this Vision stuff seems to prevent this from occurring as much, if at all.
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Dazmond for the next 2 days I would only add 2-3ml then just 3ML there after you will find you can work better with vision
Can't agree with Dazmonds post. I've been using this Vision and I find that I don't rinse as much as I did before. Definitely gives a good lustre to glass and frames. Totally agree with Mike and Darren.
I Think you need to use less of the product per tankful Dazmond, see how you get on!
With what normally would be problematic windows on my round, ones that usually leave drip marks from two smaller openers above a big pane, I've noticed this Vision stuff seems to prevent this from occurring as much, if at all.
Rigsby could I ask why do believe that Vision helps with problem frames as I have more than my fair share of the type you described on my round.
Do you think it makes the water more gloopy thus preventing it getting into the frame and dripping out after leaving or is it
something else ?
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Dazmond for the next 2 days I would only add 2-3ml then just 3ML there after you will find you can work better with vision
Can't agree with Dazmonds post. I've been using this Vision and I find that I don't rinse as much as I did before. Definitely gives a good lustre to glass and frames. Totally agree with Mike and Darren.
I Think you need to use less of the product per tankful Dazmond, see how you get on!
With what normally would be problematic windows on my round, ones that usually leave drip marks from two smaller openers above a big pane, I've noticed this Vision stuff seems to prevent this from occurring as much, if at all.
Just did a group of 9 terraced and end terraced houses. All UPVC and all old frames. Usually the top openers leach water out onto bottom windows. This time they didn't. First time in 4 years. The water left behind seems to suspend more doesn't it?
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ive just added 2ml to my tank for monday.i didnt add any to my tank last night for this mornings work and rinsed as normal.no problems.
cleaned my van and car before and both came up great with less vision in the tank!the shine is amazing still! ;D
im gonna keep using it but at half the recommended dosage and see how i go on next week.
cheers guys
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Dazmond for the next 2 days I would only add 2-3ml then just 3ML there after you will find you can work better with vision
Can't agree with Dazmonds post. I've been using this Vision and I find that I don't rinse as much as I did before. Definitely gives a good lustre to glass and frames. Totally agree with Mike and Darren.
I Think you need to use less of the product per tankful Dazmond, see how you get on!
With what normally would be problematic windows on my round, ones that usually leave drip marks from two smaller openers above a big pane, I've noticed this Vision stuff seems to prevent this from occurring as much, if at all.
Rigsby could I ask why do believe that Vision helps with problem frames as I have more than my fair share of the type you described on my round.
Do you think it makes the water more gloopy thus preventing it getting into the frame and dripping out after leaving or is it
something else ?
Hi Sean, I dont know why or how it does it, but it's definitely doing something. Like Pure H20 says, is the way I would describe it, it seems to suspend it or I would say set the water from dripping. Or it's cleaning better so there is no dirt to drip down? Not sure, but that's the effect.
Sorry if I'm not being clear enough, can't explain it any better really.
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dazmond has overdosed. :(
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we add more, because we like the bubbles :-0
I guess everyone is different , we rinse brush on
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Hi Daz!
Sorry you've not had a great day.
Something we are thinking about is reducing the bubble issue. Your not the first to say you don't like that part. On the other hand there are some that like the bubbles (not just in champagne) but I would say more have disliked it.
You could reduce the amount you are putting in, and this will reduce the issue while still keeping a little bit of the shine and cleaning power. Perhaps just dosing your tank every other day, with a smaller measure.
Thanks for your review though. We genuinely want to hear the good and bad as we can very much tweak every part of vision.
P.s yes you can also use it for trad. It leaves a good shine and gives the squeegee better glide too.
Personally I still use ecover as my soap but just put a few mill of vision in my bucket too. Best of both worlds I feel.
Hi I have a new clean with a bout 100 commercial double glazed windows with upvc frames that have not been cleaned in years and are exposed to road traffic, they are practically black. I would be interested in trying out your Vision product. can you give me some details, price etc cheers Jacqueline
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Hi Daz!
Sorry you've not had a great day.
Something we are thinking about is reducing the bubble issue. Your not the first to say you don't like that part. On the other hand there are some that like the bubbles (not just in champagne) but I would say more have disliked it.
You could reduce the amount you are putting in, and this will reduce the issue while still keeping a little bit of the shine and cleaning power. Perhaps just dosing your tank every other day, with a smaller measure.
Thanks for your review though. We genuinely want to hear the good and bad as we can very much tweak every part of vision.
P.s yes you can also use it for trad. It leaves a good shine and gives the squeegee better glide too.
Personally I still use ecover as my soap but just put a few mill of vision in my bucket too. Best of both worlds I feel.
Hi I have a new clean with a bout 100 commercial double glazed windows with upvc frames that have not been cleaned in years and are exposed to road traffic, they are practically black. I would be interested in trying out your Vision product. can you give me some details, price etc cheers Jacqueline
http://jigsaw-innovations.co.uk/product/vision-single-pack/
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I was to blame for Desmond overdosing . We have a range of customers that like to dose differently .
Some prefer to overdose , some are bang on with 1ml per 100litres and some like to reduce the dosage .
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I was to blame for Desmond overdosing . We have a range of customers that like to dose differently .
Some prefer to overdose , some are bang on with 1ml per 100litres and some like to reduce the dosage .
Kempy i like over dosing ;D ;D
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Always read dazmonds posts so for me I am out.
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You said out too quickly...Dazmondo has changed his mind yet again ;D
Worse than a bloody woman :D
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Yep hasti , a lot do .
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Always read dazmonds posts so for me I am out.
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You said out too quickly...Dazmondo has changed his mind yet again ;D
Worse than a bloody woman :D
He does go hot and cold.
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Always read dazmonds posts so for me I am out.
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You said out too quickly...Dazmondo has changed his mind yet again ;D
Worse than a bloody woman :D
He does go hot and cold.
Very good ;D
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Is it normal to test products like this on rats and rabbits to see how much is needed to kill them?
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That's right gary im back in, might buy some and see myself lol.
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First day today with vision and i must say its brill , the shine is great i will be buying more
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First day today with vision and i must say its brill , the shine is great i will be buying more
Do you guys go back after 4 hours when its dry? I spotted one of my cleans because eI went back collecting, 2 days latter
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First day today with vision and i must say its brill , the shine is great i will be buying more
Do you guys go back after 4 hours when its dry? I spotted one of my cleans because eI went back collecting, 2 days latter
Duncan that's my problem with guys that review this product, why do they risk it or how do they prove that's its not causing
problems.
It just doesn't make sense to me.
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I check window when dry and they have all dried perfect using vision
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SeanK - it just baffles me your negativity . Why not just move on .
Majority like it who have tried it .
A few don't like it - who have tried it - fair enough .
Then there's yourself that hasn't tried it but yet posts more than anybody else - lol
You've critised every aspect of it .
Just chill man.
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Kempy, I'm in Ireland and would like to try vision, but I see on the web site that you don't ship over here. Is there anybody selling it over here ( republlic )
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If you text me on 07979 966 041 your address
I will get a postage quote for you .
No problem
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SeanK - it just baffles me your negativity . Why not just move on .
Majority like it who have tried it .
A few don't like it - who have tried it - fair enough .
Then there's yourself that hasn't tried it but yet posts more than anybody else - lol
You've critised every aspect of it .
Just chill man.
Kempy what are you talking about, is it negative to think there's something fishy about guys putting additives in their
tanks and testing them on customers without knowing if they cause problems or not.
I intend to buy a bottle of Vision to try out Rigsby's claim that it stops certain problems on problem windows, but I
wont put it on customers windows until Iv tested it on a few family and friends windows.
Once I am confident that it doesn't cause problems then I will test it on customers.
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No problem .
Hope you like it. When you do try it .
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First day today with vision and i must say its brill , the shine is great i will be buying more
Do you guys go back after 4 hours when its dry? I spotted one of my cleans because eI went back collecting, 2 days latter
Duncan that's my problem with guys that review this product, why do they risk it or how do they prove that's its not causing
problems.
It just doesn't make sense to me.
Clean your own Windows that's the best idea . :P
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hi cleaned a big horse racing house with this stuff , this house as not been cleaned for 10 years that i know about so could be more , vision just cut through the dirt yes the bubbles was sometime a pain because didn't know if it was dirt , but the shine afterwards was unreal .
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Nice one .
Like I said on the phone , try adjusting the dosage to suit yourself
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SeanK - it just baffles me your negativity . Why not just move on .
Majority like it who have tried it .
A few don't like it - who have tried it - fair enough .
Then there's yourself that hasn't tried it but yet posts more than anybody else - lol
You've critised every aspect of it .
Just chill man.
Kempy what are you talking about, is it negative to think there's something fishy about guys putting additives in their
tanks and testing them on customers without knowing if they cause problems or not.
I intend to buy a bottle of Vision to try out Rigsby's claim that it stops certain problems on problem windows, but I
wont put it on customers windows until Iv tested it on a few family and friends windows.
Once I am confident that it doesn't cause problems then I will test it on customers.
It seems the lady is for turning :D.
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SeanK - it just baffles me your negativity . Why not just move on .
Majority like it who have tried it .
A few don't like it - who have tried it - fair enough .
Then there's yourself that hasn't tried it but yet posts more than anybody else - lol
You've critised every aspect of it .
Just chill man.
website link pleassssssssssss
Kempy what are you talking about, is it negative to think there's something fishy about guys putting additives in their
tanks and testing them on customers without knowing if they cause problems or not.
I intend to buy a bottle of Vision to try out Rigsby's claim that it stops certain problems on problem windows, but I
wont put it on customers windows until Iv tested it on a few family and friends windows.
Once I am confident that it doesn't cause problems then I will test it on customers.
It seems the lady is for turning :D.
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find it thanks
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First day today with vision and i must say its brill , the shine is great i will be buying more
Do you guys go back after 4 hours when its dry? I spotted one of my cleans because eI went back collecting, 2 days latter
Duncan that's my problem with guys that review this product, why do they risk it or how do they prove that's its not causing
problems.
It just doesn't make sense to me.
Its not acid you know :D I drink it with a dash of lemon. Much better than meths ;) water stays at 000 so cant be that bad. I have been weeing on my conservatory door for years without problems and that's strong acid :D
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Why don't you just go outside, pi$$ ruins the carpets.
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ive just added 2ml to my tank for monday.i didnt add any to my tank last night for this mornings work and rinsed as normal.no problems.
cleaned my van and car before and both came up great with less vision in the tank!the shine is amazing still! ;D
im gonna keep using it but at half the recommended dosage and see how i go on next week.
cheers guys
Well...
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im liking it now!it just takes a bit of getting used too!
im using the correct dosage of 1ml per 100L.for me the shine is really noticable.it really brings up glass, frames and sills a treat.much more than just using pure water.easier to remove snail trails too.
im still rinsing a bit more on some windows but im not slower/quicker than i was before (now!).
also i seem to be able to reduce drips from dodgy top rubber seals far easier as vision treated water seems to "hang around" a bit more on the glass.
id go as far to say the finish on the windows is fantastic.ive also cleaned my van twice with vision treated water and its defo shinier than normal. ;D
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Nice one Desmond .
It's similiar to trying WFP for the first time from being Trad . It takes time to adjust and have the confidence .
Using Vision for the first time can be a strange Experiance with the bubbles etc .
Like using WFP for the first time - we had to have the confidence to walk away with windows Wet .
With Vision , you just need to gain confidence in leaving the odd few bubbles on the windows and cracking on .
I now have 12 months Experiance in using VISION and I absolutely love it .
Majority of my windows now have improved massively . I use less water and quicker .
Glad your liking it Desmond .
A good HONEST reviewer .
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It must be some stuff. Dosed at 100000:1 and its cutting through the dirt? I keep waiting for someone to shout 'April fool' but it's not April ???
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What gives the windows the enhanced shine ???
In 24 months time will their be a coating on the windows like floor polish ???
Paul
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What gives the windows the enhanced shine ???
In 24 months time will their be a coating on the windows like floor polish ???
Paul
It's not a coating as such. There is technology out there like nano coatings, but vision isn't one of these.
Vision just helps gives the glass and frames a slightly deeper clean, bringing out the true shine, rather than coating them with a polish or soap etc.
At the dilution ratio of 1-100,000 and a TDS of still 000 there is no chance of any residue being left on the glass.
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At the dilution ratio of 1-100,000 and still have an effect, it must be pretty potent stuff
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It must be some stuff. Dosed at 100000:1 and its cutting through the dirt? I keep waiting for someone to shout 'April fool' but it's not April ???
It took me over 50 replies to realise these guys where being serious and another 50 to realise that people where actually
falling for it.
If it wasn't for the fact they have a website Id still believe its a windup.
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What gives the windows the enhanced shine ???
In 24 months time will their be a coating on the windows like floor polish ???
Paul
It's not a coating as such. There is technology out there like nano coatings, but vision isn't one of these.
Vision just helps gives the glass and frames a slightly deeper clean, bringing out the true shine, rather than coating them with a polish or soap etc.
At the dilution ratio of 1-100,000 and a TDS of still 000 there is no chance of any residue being left on the glass.
Does this stuff make hydrophobic glass more hydrophilic? Can't say I've noticed in fairness. It bubbles on some windows and not on others.
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It must be some stuff. Dosed at 100000:1 and its cutting through the dirt? I keep waiting for someone to shout 'April fool' but it's not April ???
i do think it cuts through dirt easier than just pure.on snail trails its really noticable.
its the shine thats really great though.i do think the frames and sills on white UPVC look dull after a while using pure but with vision treated water it adds a really nice shine.
for the price of it(i estimate itll cost me around 40p a day)its worth it IMO for the extra shine alone. :)
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Hi Bungle , I've been using it for 12 months now , and it makes my routine cleaning a lot easier . I do think some of my windows are sheeting more .
SeanK , it's no wind up this , we have a website obviously .
It's a shame you can't just get on with the fact that Vision has had a lot of very good reviews . Not sure why you still want to think we're fake , or we're fooling persons .
Let's just get on with working , making things easier and enjoying life .
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Think hes had a bad upbringing thats y he is so negative against everyone , probably was one off the last few to actually believe in wfp , I had a mate that used to slag wfp off to all customers untill he fell off a roof n broke his hip n guess what hes using now yes wfp
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A forum is for discussion so nobody can really complain .
I've benefited from a lot of good advice from forums , I never knew about Gardiners until I went on a forum .
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The main benefit from this product seems to be the shine on the windows.
To be honest why the heck would I care if the windows shine more, in 8 years of using wfp I don't recall a single customer complaining that the windows weren't shiny enough.
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It must be some stuff. Dosed at 100000:1 and its cutting through the dirt? I keep waiting for someone to shout 'April fool' but it's not April ???
i do think it cuts through dirt easier than just pure.on snail trails its really noticable.
its the shine thats really great though.i do think the frames and sills on white UPVC look dull after a while using pure but with vision treated water it adds a really nice shine.
for the price of it(i estimate itll cost me around 40p a day)its worth it IMO for the extra shine alone. :)
Dazmond what causes window frames to dull over time, its not cleaning with pure water its the effect of the sun on the UPVC.
To keep it short what actually happens is the surface goes from being smooth to getting little burrs or hairs at a
microscopic level.
To keep it simple the only way to bring the shine back onto the frames is to cover them in a glossy compound or polish the
burrs off.
So this product either covers the frame in a glossy compound or melts the burrs on the UPVC which I don't think would be
good for the frames over time, but to be honest I don't think it does either.
Its the same with car paintwork so there's no way it could have made your van shinier.
So you can understand why people who know a little bit about how thing work would think its an April fool.
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Think hes had a bad upbringing thats y he is so negative against everyone , probably was one off the last few to actually believe in wfp , I had a mate that used to slag wfp off to all customers untill he fell off a roof n broke his hip n guess what hes using now yes wfp
Mate I know you think your actually helping the Vision guys but trust me your not, infect I would say your doing them more harm than I am.
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Explain why I'm doing them more harm than good because the way I see it you and all your mates are the ones doing them harm as your all slating a product you haven't even tried
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90% of the people that have used vizion are free samplers....
they give people free samples for the good reviews...because lets face it everyone loves something for free right?
for the people that are adding this to there tanks and making therselves believe it works.... idiots.
think ill just stick to my pure water
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So you've tried vision then bill?
Same to you seank?
What's the point on giving your input on a post that you know absolutely nothing about because your to stubborn or tight fisted to even give it to try.
Why not just try it for yourselves and if you don't like it you can slate it all you want.
Personally... Iv been using it for a few weeks and whilst I havnt really noticed any difference on the shine of the glass, I would definitely say it makes the frames look much cleaner and does make it easier removing things like snail trails and insect turds. I will continue using it and I thank those guys at vision for creating a product that's made cleaning a little easier for a very cost effective price.
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So you've tried vision then bill?
Same to you seank?
What's the point on giving your input on a post that you know absolutely nothing about because your to stubborn or tight fisted to even give it to try.
Why not just try it for yourselves and if you don't like it you can slate it all you want.
Personally... Iv been using it for a few weeks and whilst I havnt really noticed any difference on the shine of the glass, I would definitely say it makes the frames look much cleaner and does make it easier removing things like snail trails and insect turds. I will continue using it and I thank those guys at vision for creating a product that's made cleaning a little easier for a very cost effective price.
Chris if the guys where selling Vision on Amazon there's no way I would leave bad feedback on the feedback section without
trying it and the same goes for their website.
But this is a forum and if somebody makes a claim about a product which I disagree with then I can and should be allowed to
reply.
Dazmond made a claim that it make the frames shine more and I have replied and give reasons why I believe he's wrong if you find
that my reasoning is wrong then point that out, but stop using this same old excuse that you cant have an opinion on a product
until you have tried it.
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What makes you an expert on this product then just because someone re branded a product n made magica go, doesn't mean everyone s the same
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What makes you an expert on this product then just because someone re branded a product n made magica go, doesn't mean everyone s the same
I'm not an expert on Vision but I have done work on badly degraded UPVC frames over the years and have used lots of different
methods and products but that not the point.
What do you find untrue or wrong in my reply to Dazmond.
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90% of the people that have used vizion are free samplers....
they give people free samples for the good reviews...because lets face it everyone loves something for free right?
for the people that are adding this to there tanks and making therselves believe it works.... idiots.
think ill just stick to my pure water
Everyone is entitled to their opinion but I Just want to point out that your statement is not true/a lie.
In the past 12 months we have only sent out a couple of free samples, and those few people are enjoying vision but don't use this forum as far as I am aware.
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A forum is for discussion so nobody can really complain .
I've benefited from a lot of good advice from forums , I never knew about Gardiners until I went on a forum .
That's very strange Kempy - I'm sure it was you recently who did their best to bugger up Gardiners by telling everyone about your cheap Chinese poles you were buying, Was it you that hated Gardiners clamps too and posted several times how crap they were and how wonderful your Tekbuk brush was.
Don't suppose your waiting for a sparkling review from Alex by any chance?
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90% of the people that have used vizion are free samplers....
they give people free samples for the good reviews...because lets face it everyone loves something for free right?
for the people that are adding this to there tanks and making therselves believe it works.... idiots.
think ill just stick to my pure water
Everyone is entitled to their opinion but I Just want to point out that your statement is not true/a lie.
In the past 12 months we have only sent out a couple of free samples, and those few people are enjoying vision but don't use this forum as far as I am aware.
That's what I was going to say. Don't know anyone on here that got a free sample. If they did. I want my £18 back lmao.
All this slagging off is doing my head in. Use it or don't. I cant find any bad things about it other than slow flow and bubbles. I add less and all is ok. Should last me a year unless it evaporates anymore ??? only used 3 pumps and down to 3/4 full. Makes conservatory smell nice lol
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Both pure h20 and Jk999 have admitted to being product testers are you saying they paid for this
privilege ?
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Both pure h20 and Jk999 have admitted to being product testers are you saying they paid for this
privilege ?
???
Pure h20 has not been sent anything as of yet. He paid for his bottle of vision, and if jk999 is who I think he is then he works in the same area as kempy, they got talking and he was given a few millilitres of mix to dose up 1 tank. Since then he has bought 3 bottles atleast.
Hardly free samples Sean.
In all honestly I think your more involved with this project than any of us are. The amount of time you devote to vision is amazing considering it's apparently all a April fool.
As I keep saying though everyone is entitled to their opinions, vision is there for all those who like using it, and if you don't, then we have made it as cheap as we can so that you feel like you have wasted money.
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Both pure h20 and Jk999 have admitted to being product testers are you saying they paid for this
privilege ?
???
Pure h20 has not been sent anything as of yet. He paid for his bottle of vision, and if jk999 is who I think he is then he works in the same area as kempy, they got talking and he was given a few millilitres of mix to dose up 1 tank. Since then he has bought 3 bottles atleast.
Hardly free samples Sean.
In all honestly I think your more involved with this project than any of us are. The amount of time you devout to vision is amazing considering it's apparently all a April fool.
As I keep saying though everyone is entitled to their opinions, vision is there for all those who like using it, and if you don't, then we have made it as cheap as we can so that you feel like you have wasted money.
The April fool wasn't my remark, I just agreed why some would think it.
The product testers came from guys explaining why they had been using Vision before it was on sale, PureH20 was one of these
guys as was Jk999.
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Both pure h20 and Jk999 have admitted to being product testers are you saying they paid for this
privilege ?
???
Pure h20 has not been sent anything as of yet. He paid for his bottle of vision, and if jk999 is who I think he is then he works in the same area as kempy, they got talking and he was given a few millilitres of mix to dose up 1 tank. Since then he has bought 3 bottles atleast.
Hardly free samples Sean.
In all honestly I think your more involved with this project than any of us are. The amount of time you devout to vision is amazing considering it's apparently all a April fool.
As I keep saying though everyone is entitled to their opinions, vision is there for all those who like using it, and if you don't, then we have made it as cheap as we can so that you feel like you have wasted money.
The April fool wasn't my remark, I just agreed why some would think it.
The product testers came from guys explaining why they had been using Vision before it was on sale, PureH20 was one of these
guys as was Jk999.
I think your wrong, but ok.
Pure h20 bought his bottle of vision a week or so after the release date, so there is no way he was using vision any earlier. Jk999 (if he is who I think he is) did use vision earlier than most, but it wasn't by much. A month tops, and he still paid for his. No freebies were given.
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Both pure h20 and Jk999 have admitted to being product testers are you saying they paid for this
privilege ?
???
Pure h20 has not been sent anything as of yet. He paid for his bottle of vision, and if jk999 is who I think he is then he works in the same area as kempy, they got talking and he was given a few millilitres of mix to dose up 1 tank. Since then he has bought 3 bottles atleast.
Hardly free samples Sean.
In all honestly I think your more involved with this project than any of us are. The amount of time you devout to vision is amazing considering it's apparently all a April fool.
As I keep saying though everyone is entitled to their opinions, vision is there for all those who like using it, and if you don't, then we have made it as cheap as we can so that you feel like you have wasted money.
The April fool wasn't my remark, I just agreed why some would think it.
The product testers came from guys explaining why they had been using Vision before it was on sale, PureH20 was one of these
guys as was Jk999.
I think your wrong, but ok.
Pure h20 bought his bottle of vision a week or so after the release date, so there is no way he was using vision any earlier. Jk999 (if he is who I think he is) did use vision earlier than most, but it wasn't by much. A month tops, and he still paid for his. No freebies were given.
Can one of the directors of Vision answer my question I posted on the previous page please.
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I'm not a director but I will answer?
Sorry I missed your question?
The best way is to email me direct at shop@jigsaw-innovations.co.uk
Ask away though and I will look at for your question here.
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I'm not a director but I will answer?
Sorry I missed your question?
The best way is to email me direct at shop@jigsaw-innovations.co.uk
Ask away though and I will look at for your question here.
Does Vision make hydrophobic glass more hydrophilic, or is it a myth? Not noticed a change so far.
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I'm not a director but I will answer?
Sorry I missed your question?
The best way is to email me direct at shop@jigsaw-innovations.co.uk
Ask away though and I will look at for your question here.
Does Vision make hydrophobic glass more hydrophilic, or is it a myth? Not noticed a change so far.
It can make some glass more hydrophillic, but this is usually noticed on the third of fourth visit to a property. In the mean time though It gives the glass a deeper clean which means your rinsing time should be decreased, which achieves a similar result.
Some windows that I now clean have started showing hydrophillic properties, even though they were very hydrophobic before hand.
The main benefit though is the cleaning power, and for me that is the most valuable part, this should increase your working speed once you are used to having vision in your water.
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Some windows I'm cleaning have turned to Hydrophillic more . This is approximately 12 months of use .
Require Patience.
But some windows are still not improving .
Some will , some won't I guess
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Cleaning patio doors then noticed cat paw prints on glass and plastic cill , cat had the paint you paint fences with , dipped cill cloth in bucket that has Vision in rubbed glass and cill and paint was gone .I never had a free sample but well worth the money will be ordering some more soon.
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The main benefit from this product seems to be the shine on the windows.
To be honest why the heck would I care if the windows shine more, in 8 years of using wfp I don't recall a single customer complaining that the windows weren't shiny enough.
because some of us take pride in our work and a better shine adds to that feeling IMO.
ive also noticed when i clean a white or brown UPVC door with wfp with vision it really does make them sparkle more!adds a little bit more satisfaction to my work. :)
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90% of the people that have used vizion are free samplers....
they give people free samples for the good reviews...because lets face it everyone loves something for free right?
for the people that are adding this to there tanks and making therselves believe it works.... idiots.
I paid for mine thanks , I could call you a simple T**t but I don't know you at all so their for could not make an intelligent informed decision about the person that you are . :P :P :-*
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The main benefit from this product seems to be the shine on the windows.
To be honest why the heck would I care if the windows shine more, in 8 years of using wfp I don't recall a single customer complaining that the windows weren't shiny enough.
because some of us take pride in our work and a better shine adds to that feeling IMO.
ive also noticed when i clean a white or brown UPVC door with wfp with vision it really does make them sparkle more!adds a little bit more satisfaction to my work. :)
Dazmond, now you're swinging the other way shouldn't you edit the title of the thread ???
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Swinging :o , I'll stick to window cleaning :P ;D
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Explain why I'm doing them more harm than good because the way I see it you and all your mates are the ones doing them harm as your all slating a product you haven't even tried
I'm happy to take a free sample and report back my unbiased findings. Would appreciate you organising that for me. Cheers.
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always wanting something for free eh?
just buy some and try it if you want!if not dont bother.
its just under £19(inclu p&p) FOR GODS SAKE! ::)roll
its hardly gonna break the bank! ;D
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90% of the people that have used vizion are free samplers....
they give people free samples for the good reviews...because lets face it everyone loves something for free right?
for the people that are adding this to there tanks and making therselves believe it works.... idiots.
I paid for mine thanks , I could call you a simple T**t but I don't know you at all so their for could not make an intelligent informed decision about the person that you are . :P :P :-*
Honestly guys , on my Kids lives we only sent out free samples to a few persons .
I haven't sent any out .
Kevin sent all the free samples out , think there were just a few that voluntereed . And maybe a few more elsewhere . We had to source independant testers and honest ones to see if the product was liked .
ALEX Gardiner bought a bottle at full price . If we were going to try and bribe persons or butter them up , then ALEX would of been a perfect person to donate a bottle to .
But ALEX bought through the same way as the majority have .
So to put another false claim to bed , we simply haven't sent out many free samples .
It would be unfair after the product was launched .
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I'd be interested to hear Alex gardiners opinion on vision...
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Both pure h20 and Jk999 have admitted to being product testers are you saying they paid for this
privilege ?
When have I ever said I have been a product tester? I found out about this product ON CIU no where else. I have been asked if I would test future products AFTER I purchased a bottle.
I paid full price for one bottle. My dad has been using some as well from the one and only bottle I have purchased.
Get your facts straight please.
I can only assume you smoke crack for the constant drivel you post. I put some poop on here but f*** me you take the biscuit.
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I'd be interested to hear Alex gardiners opinion on vision...
WHY? we clean windows for a living. Alex sells us the parts ;D
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I'd be interested to hear Alex gardiners opinion on vision...
WHY? we clean windows for a living. Alex sells us the parts ;D
Alex still cleans windows.....
Darran
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Explain why I'm doing them more harm than good because the way I see it you and all your mates are the ones doing them harm as your all slating a product you haven't even tried
I'm happy to take a free sample and report back my unbiased findings. Would appreciate you organising that for me. Cheers.
We only sent out a few samples to testers in Oct / Nov 2014 . Then we started selling the product in December .
We don't really need to send out any more samples for persons to review .
The Vision has probably had over 10,000 posts , I think that's enough .
Unfortunately 9000 of them have been from SeanK
Sorry SeanK ;D just banter
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And it's only £19 for about 6 weeks supply
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And it's only £19 for about 6 weeks supply
Don't say that. The £500 a day crew will be complaining.
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Its the same old dk heads , dave willis has posted someone put vision in a fuel tank him n sean must be bum buddies
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How dare you :o
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FIGHT ;D
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And it's only £19 for about 6 weeks supply
Don't say that. The £500 a day crew will be complaining.
I won't :D
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regarding testers,all our products are tested within a small group a long while before it was offered to a further few testers,i chose the three testers because of there work methods and after speaking to them all on the phone made my decisions,there were many who proclaimed to already test for so and so which is not what i wanted(testers by there virtue tend not to give a totally honest review-you don't bite the hand that feeds you)these testers were given half a bottle to try for a while and just say honestly what they felt about it
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Its the same old dk heads , dave willis has posted someone put vision in a fuel tank him n sean must be bum buddies
This is an open forum and guys have different opinions, who gives you the right to call people dk heads, but you are also sounding like one yourself, as seanK has said i don't think you are helping the guys with your input.
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Its the same old dk heads , dave willis has posted someone put vision in a fuel tank him n sean must be bum buddies
Mod Note: Behave, or you'll be on the naughty step.
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You dont know me , I would never slate a product I have never tried nor would I take the p out off it ,dave willis has done nowt but take p n sean k what can I say wouldnt waste my breath
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always wanting something for free eh?
just buy some and try it if you want!if not dont bother.
its just under £19(inclu p&p) FOR GODS SAKE! ::)roll
its hardly gonna break the bank! ;D
Daz, I'm always willing to pay for something that might actually be usefull. I don't believe anything diluted 100000 times can be of any practical use.
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Its the same old dk heads , dave willis has posted someone put vision in a fuel tank him n sean must be bum buddies
I bet an intelligent and skilled debator as yourself has a little 'patch' they defend like a crazed Doberman too, amirite?
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Well David's , Vision is now starting to get a trickle or re-orders which is great news , so that says some persons are happy who have used it for possibly 5 weeks or so .
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Explain what you mean dave
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I try and take the p out of everything. Plenty to choose from on this forum. Surprised it wasn't called 'Window Cleaning Tools'
Plenty on here.
Lighten up man.
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You dont know me , I would never slate a product I have never tried nor would I take the p out off it ,dave willis has done nowt but take p n sean k what can I say wouldnt waste my breath
I get you're passionate about this and remember I've only posted 2/3 times about this but I genuinely think people might be getting royally ripped off with this. If it was so good these guys would be heading to dragons den or trying to get venture capalists onboard. Instead they are flogging it you and me at nearly £20 a pop.
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Explain what you mean dave
I mean you're coming across as angry and agressive, just the kinda guy who would have a patch. If people want to question the quality of the product being flogged to us then if it is a decent product it should be able to withstand that scrutiny.
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Yawn.
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Yawn.
Sorry Matt, forgot were all here for your entertainment.
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Haven't you got anything better to do apart from sit on here keyboard bashing? You won't change a single thing.
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Haven't you got anything better to do apart from sit on here keyboard bashing? You won't change a single thing.
Are you serious, you can't be? You can't go 10 minutes without posting some poope or other but I'm the one you ask that of. Lol, your a right ticket.
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Thats subjective.
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Thats subjective.
;D I gotta work now Matt. Tata for now.
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Me too. I'll see you there ;D
Dont forget the Vision ;)
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Has anyone tried fairy liquid in there bucket. ;D
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I used to PI$$ in a bucket but it was a bit smelly :P :P
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I used to PI$$ in a bucket but it was a bit smelly :P :P
When I was a lad, a mate of mine was trading in Canterbury high street.
He left his bucket around a corner while doing the shop front.
When he came back around the corner a tramp was weeing in his bucket.
We were absolutely dying laughing.
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Well i used this for a week now , and omg how can people slag this off this is the best thing i ever used , all of my customers have said what a difference , so my advice is spend £14.99 and try it and stop being tight .
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Well i used this for a week now , and omg how can people slag this off this is the best thing i ever used , all of my customers have said what a difference , so my advice is spend £14.99 and try it and stop being tight .
Good to hear. I am finding improvements every day now!
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Well i used this for a week now , and omg how can people slag this off this is the best thing i ever used , all of my customers have said what a difference , so my advice is spend £14.99 and try it and stop being tight .
How can anybody listen to anybody who think people don't buy Vision because they're tight, playground banter and
to be honest the type of people who Vision will attract.
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Well i used this for a week now , and omg how can people slag this off this is the best thing i ever used , all of my customers have said what a difference , so my advice is spend £14.99 and try it and stop being tight .
Good to hear. I am finding improvements every day now!
I'm very sorry to hear you couldn't get to grips with WFP cleaning without this extra expense if you want to save a few quid I can teach you to clean with out it.
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Sorry Matt and Gary I just cant help messing about with these guys, I need somebody to start a few half intelligent
threads to put me in my place.
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Well i used this for a week now , and omg how can people slag this off this is the best thing i ever used , all of my customers have said what a difference , so my advice is spend £14.99 and try it and stop being tight .
Good to hear. I am finding improvements every day now!
I'm very sorry to hear you couldn't get to grips with WFP cleaning without this extra expense if you want to save a few quid I can teach you to clean with out it.
Eh? I am not WFP I am trad.
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Well i used this for a week now , and omg how can people slag this off this is the best thing i ever used , all of my customers have said what a difference , so my advice is spend £14.99 and try it and stop being tight .
Good to hear. I am finding improvements every day now!
I'm very sorry to hear you couldn't get to grips with WFP cleaning without this extra expense if you want to save a few quid I can teach you to clean with out it.
Eh? I am not WFP I am trad.
Very sorry Pure I didn't know that, cant comment on how good vision is as an traditional solution.
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'And stop being tight' could be a slogan.
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Well i used this for a week now , and omg how can people slag this off this is the best thing i ever used , all of my customers have said what a difference , so my advice is spend £14.99 and try it and stop being tight .
Good to hear , your be even more impressed after 3-6 months cleaning .
Reference SeanK , shame you just can't move on .
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is this still going on ::)roll
think its decent myself, but not getting involved in the shananigans
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Well i used this for a week now , and omg how can people slag this off this is the best thing i ever used , all of my customers have said what a difference , so my advice is spend £14.99 and try it and stop being tight .
Did you revisit and ask every single one of them? Obviously, unless you bladed them you couldn't have asked there and then. This sounds a highly unlikely claim.
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I need somebody to start a few half intelligent
threads to put me in my place.
I was'nt aware you had made any intelligent threads :P :P , Personally i am finding Vision does help with my working day .
Cuts through bird muck and insect deposits with ease , I have yet to find this to be true and how this can be claimed i am baffled as it is all different unless someone's got trained pigeons on varied diets dive bombing windows then after 3 days tries scrubbing it off .
Cuts through dirt easier i believe so as the viscosity of the water changes which helps saturate the dirt and cut through it this is more apparent to me on larger single panes of glass were typically i would get dry areas as i was scrubbing glass as if water flow had stopped .
Gives a great shine it appears to but could be to early to tell as my mind could be almost tricking me to think this because of the claims .
Glides along the glass easier . Without any doubt yes it does .
Final rinse much easier on hydrophilic glass , Nope not always i use less than the recommended and if i have added 3 squirts of the plunger in consecutive days to a 400ltr tank i get alot more bubbles and the greater viscosity causes tiny dirt particles to cling to the glass .
So double and triple rinsing this was a hinderence and very apparent yesterday doing a commercial job with an old dusty tarmac car park after stormy weather this past week tiny little black specks of dirt all over windows and fames , PANE IN THE ASS .
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VOTE VISION ;D
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Thanks JK - this topic was in danger of slipping to the bottom of the page. Thought I might have to use a different user name to bump it back to the top phew!
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all of my customers have said what a difference
If Vision wishes to retain any credibility these kind of comments need to cease. They are without exaggeration stupid.
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We have enough credibility . Just seem to have a few persons knocking it who haven't even tried it .
But there embarrasing themselves a few have said
Lol
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customers have said how much cleaner the windows are strsight away after one clean??? is that a joke lol, unless you where cleaning with pi$$ before and have now started using water along with this miracle product? or you only used to clean half of the windows but the last clean you thouht sod it il do em all now im visioned up? and for the record fairy liquid and a rag will make frames shinier than my grandads bald spot @seank lol
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Just had a thought.
Imagine vision and a waffle cloth. :o
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You need to get out more.
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An Update as i know everyone loves the vision threads especially SeanK.
So this week i did not add any vision yesterday or today as had about 150-200 ltrs left in tanks after a half day Saturday and yesterday but their was still some in the tank .
So today i was cleaning jobs that had been cleaned with Vision before xmas and with trace amounts of vision in tank jobs were really easy to clean brush seemed to glide easier than the first clean rinsing was lot easier as well so liking it more and more .
Tank is almost empty so when filling up tomorrow i will only add 2 pushes of the plunger worth of Vision to my 400ltr tank .
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An Update as i know everyone loves the vision threads especially SeanK.
So this week i did not add any vision yesterday or today as had about 150-200 ltrs left in tanks after a half day Saturday and yesterday but their was still some in the tank .
So today i was cleaning jobs that had been cleaned with Vision before xmas and with trace amounts of vision in tank jobs were really easy to clean brush seemed to glide easier than the first clean rinsing was lot easier as well so liking it more and more .
Tank is almost empty so when filling up tomorrow i will only add 2 pushes of the plunger worth of Vision to my 400ltr tank .
This is what I reported to Jonny yesterday.
I am finding 3ml to 400L IS PERFECT for me. 2ml is not enough.
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My god Dave's experiments and findings on GG4 must have scared the hell out of you Vision guys.
Dave done in two weeks what it took the Vision science department over a year to accomplish even with
their American and Australian backup.
Science and chemistry for Dummies might be a good read. ;D
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SeanK - Has Dave Willis created GG4 ??? , is it his company brand and his product .
Ask him what's in it .
SeanK you have given Vision so much grieve and negativity , why don't you do the same with Dave Willis new product , or is it a product of the shelf ?? .
I don't mind Dave Willis , his been fair with Vision , he knows his stuff about this topic.
I've never used GG4 , I'm not sure what it will be like after several months in your tank and using it in Hot weather where pure dries quickly .
I really do think SeanK that for some reason you hate Vision and us 3 behind it .
I just can't work you out at all . Amazing really .
Not sure why you post on a thread negativity when you have never used it again and again and again .
The persons using Vision now on their Second cycle of cleans are really finding it a great product .
It just gets better and better as its used more and more .
I'm on 12month +++ and it really does help myself .
The only negative to VISION is SeanK
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Were all getting very bored of it also mate
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My god Dave's experiments and findings on GG4 must have scared the hell out of you Vision guys.
Dave done in two weeks what it took the Vision science department over a year to accomplish even with
their American and Australian backup.
Science and chemistry for Dummies might be a good read. ;D
:P :-*
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SeanK - Has Dave Willis created GG4 ??? , is it his company brand and his product .
Ask him what's in it .
SeanK you have given Vision so much grieve and negativity , why don't you do the same with Dave Willis new product , or is it a product of the shelf ?? .
I don't mind Dave Willis , his been fair with Vision , he knows his stuff about this topic.
I've never used GG4 , I'm not sure what it will be like after several months in your tank and using it in Hot weather where pure dries quickly .
I really do think SeanK that for some reason you hate Vision and us 3 behind it .
I just can't work you out at all . Amazing really .
Not sure why you post on a thread negativity when you have never used it again and again and again .
The persons using Vision now on their Second cycle of cleans are really finding it a great product .
It just gets better and better as its used more and more .
I'm on 12month +++ and it really does help myself .
The only negative to VISION is SeanK
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i am on fourth bottle ;)
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SeanK - Has Dave Willis created GG4 ??? , is it his company brand and his product .
Ask him what's in it .
SeanK you have given Vision so much grieve and negativity , why don't you do the same with Dave Willis new product , or is it a product of the shelf ?? .
I don't mind Dave Willis , his been fair with Vision , he knows his stuff about this topic.
I've never used GG4 , I'm not sure what it will be like after several months in your tank and using it in Hot weather where pure dries quickly .
I really do think SeanK that for some reason you hate Vision and us 3 behind it .
I just can't work you out at all . Amazing really .
Not sure why you post on a thread negativity when you have never used it again and again and again .
The persons using Vision now on their Second cycle of cleans are really finding it a great product .
It just gets better and better as its used more and more .
I'm on 12month +++ and it really does help myself .
The only negative to VISION is SeanK
Lol
Lol
Lol
I am on fourth bottle and loving it ;)
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Hasti - on your 4th bottle .
?????
Are you cleaning 10,000 houses a week
Lol
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SeanK - Has Dave Willis created GG4 ??? , is it his company brand and his product .
Ask him what's in it .
SeanK you have given Vision so much grieve and negativity , why don't you do the same with Dave Willis new product , or is it a product of the shelf ?? .
I don't mind Dave Willis , his been fair with Vision , he knows his stuff about this topic.
I've never used GG4 , I'm not sure what it will be like after several months in your tank and using it in Hot weather where pure dries quickly .
I really do think SeanK that for some reason you hate Vision and us 3 behind it .
I just can't work you out at all . Amazing really .
Not sure why you post on a thread negativity when you have never used it again and again and again .
The persons using Vision now on their Second cycle of cleans are really finding it a great product .
It just gets better and better as its used more and more .
I'm on 12month +++ and it really does help myself .
The only negative to VISION is SeanK
Lol
Lol
Lol
i am on fourth bottle ;)
Alky ;D
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I'd just like to add- it doesn't matter how fast or slow pure water dries, or whether it's summer or winter. These are NOT factors which determine if the water dries clear or not- taking airborne particle contamination out of the equation.
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Chum your another one that thinks you know everything .
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He is correct in what he is saying there though.
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I'd just like to add- it doesn't matter how fast or slow pure water dries, or whether it's summer or winter. These are NOT factors which determine if the water dries clear or not- taking airborne particle contamination out of the equation.
You must hate the Vision guys also. ;D
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An Update as i know everyone loves the vision threads especially SeanK.
So this week i did not add any vision yesterday or today as had about 150-200 ltrs left in tanks after a half day Saturday and yesterday but their was still some in the tank .
So today i was cleaning jobs that had been cleaned with Vision before xmas and with trace amounts of vision in tank jobs were really easy to clean brush seemed to glide easier than the first clean rinsing was lot easier as well so liking it more and more .
Tank is almost empty so when filling up tomorrow i will only add 2 pushes of the plunger worth of Vision to my 400ltr tank .
This is what I reported to Jonny yesterday.
I am finding 3ml to 400L IS PERFECT for me. 2ml is not enough.
Them's fine margins.
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SeanK - what a star you are , still posting more than the actual users of vision .
Comedy .
I posted a thread earlier about Scrapers from Wilkinsons at £2:45 and a pack of blades at 90p.
Can't you go and post some think negative and pointless on there as well please .
Be consistent and attack every product
lol
You must have so much spare time to keep posting about Vision .
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Chum your another one that thinks you know everything .
jk in all fairness you are sounding like a broken down record at this stage, i wish the vision guys every success with their product if it helps guys to achieve better results happy days and fair play to them for all the effort they have put in to their project, but if anyone mentions anything negative about vision you come on here snapping that they are dk heads or that they think they know everything, come on give us a break will you, i don't think you are helping the vision guys with your constant snapping at guys who have a difference of opinion, this is an open forum and guys are entitled to their opinions, how many years have you been on the glass and what have you brought to the table.
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Opinions/winding people up/trying to defend the product is all well and good. But some of the comments are not on.
Slander/libel and even defamation of chachater/product comes to mind.
CIU would also get in trouble for allowing such posts.
False statements is a killer, it's very very VERY easy to get someone to stop ;)
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I've read enough to decide i'm going to try it. ;D
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I've read enough to decide i'm going to try it. ;D
First rule of Vision Club is don't talk about Vision Club.
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Tad seank has done nowt but slag vision off I have used vision and its a very good product have you used it if not then how can you say anything , ps me right off that guys on here slag a product off without knowing anything about it , and for your information I have been on glass for thirty years fifteen of those wfp so I do know quite alot about wfp . If anything makes my working day easier I will try it and because they said it was a tested product thats enough for me , how long you been on glass tad and you seank .
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Opinions/winding people up/trying to defend the product is all well and good. But some of the comments are not on.
Slander/libel and even defamation of chachater/product comes to mind.
CIU would also get in trouble for allowing such posts.
False statements is a killer, it's very very VERY easy to get someone to stop ;)
What comments are not on H20 ?
I pointed out that Dave's thread on GG4 was scaring the vision guys in which I include you, explain why else you would
dig up an old post that hadn't been posted on since before Christmas and bring it to the top of the page again.
Look through all the threads on this forum and others and its the same thing, anytime somebody gives negative feedback
or says something negative and the same 5 or 6 guys drown it with positive feedback, you couldn't do this with Dave's thread
so lets get this one and others going again to take attention from it.
Maybe if you where to take another look you will find that the majority of things you have just mentioned come from
Vision supporters to which I would also add bullying.
Again H20 these are only my opinions but if your not connected to Vision in some way you need more help than I do.
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Chum your another one that thinks you know everything .
That comes with almost 11 years wfp experience boy! ;) ;D Oh, and an exceptional sense for male bovine manure- not that I'm suggesting visions claims aren't true as you will have noticed I've made no comment regarding that. I've just commented on something which is blatantly, factually incorrect! ;)
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What parts are factually incorrect
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What parts are factually incorrect
Are you nuts? Which post of mine prompted you to react like you did in reference to me? Once you've thought about that & the penny drops- you tell me which part is not factually correct. ::)roll
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Lets all get on guys. :)
There is only three people involved with the sale of vision in the uk, myself, David and Kevin. We havnt and will not use others to keep our product being spoke about.
There is a lot of talk because it is such a new product. Our website launched at the beginning of December so it's still very new. This is why people are discussing it Sean, not for any other reason that. You really should watch less conspiracy program's. :)
Have fun out there today guys!
-2 here and just heading out. :(
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Opinions/winding people up/trying to defend the product is all well and good. But some of the comments are not on.
Slander/libel and even defamation of chachater/product comes to mind.
CIU would also get in trouble for allowing such posts.
False statements is a killer, it's very very VERY easy to get someone to stop ;)
What comments are not on H20 ?
I pointed out that Dave's thread on GG4 was scaring the vision guys in which I include you, explain why else you would
dig up an old post that hadn't been posted on since before Christmas and bring it to the top of the page again.
Look through all the threads on this forum and others and its the same thing, anytime somebody gives negative feedback
or says something negative and the same 5 or 6 guys drown it with positive feedback, you couldn't do this with Dave's thread
so lets get this one and others going again to take attention from it.
Maybe if you where to take another look you will find that the majority of things you have just mentioned come from
Vision supporters to which I would also add bullying.
Again H20 these are only my opinions but if your not connected to Vision in some way you need more help than I do.
I have been rumbled :o
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Lets all get on guys. :)
There is only three people involved with the sale of vision in the uk, myself, David and Kevin. We havnt and will not use others to keep our product being spoke about.
There is a lot of talk because it is such a new product. Our website launched at the beginning of December so it's still very new. This is why people are discussing it Sean, not for any other reason that. You really should watch less conspiracy program's. :)
Have fun out there today guys!
-2 here and just heading out. :(
Who said anything about a conspiracy theory's its just a marketing ploy, in my opinion not a very good one but a marketing
ploy non the less.
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Lets all get on guys. :)
There is only three people involved with the sale of vision in the uk, myself, David and Kevin. We havnt and will not use others to keep our product being spoke about.
There is a lot of talk because it is such a new product. Our website launched at the beginning of December so it's still very new. This is why people are discussing it Sean, not for any other reason that. You really should watch less conspiracy program's. :)
Have fun out there today guys!
-2 here and just heading out. :(
Hi Jonny. Just like to say thanks for the free tv ,blu ray player and xbox one.
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Lets all get on guys. :)
There is only three people involved with the sale of vision in the uk, myself, David and Kevin. We havnt and will not use others to keep our product being spoke about.
There is a lot of talk because it is such a new product. Our website launched at the beginning of December so it's still very new. This is why people are discussing it Sean, not for any other reason that. You really should watch less conspiracy program's. :)
Have fun out there today guys!
-2 here and just heading out. :(
Hi Jonny. Just like to say thanks for the free tv ,blu ray player and xbox one.
Mate you sold yourself cheap. ;D
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After weeks of posts if I was the 3 Vision guys I would not bother posting anymore .
Unless Seank can provide his PhD in chemistry or an In depth report on what Vision is and why it clearly does not have any benefits to anyone using it at any mixed ratio .
Then their clearly is no point at all in anyone responding to his posts . :-*
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True mike
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After weeks of posts if I was the 3 Vision guys I would not bother posting anymore .
Unless Seank can provide his PhD in chemistry or an In depth report on what Vision is and why it clearly does not have any benefits to anyone using it at any mixed ratio .
Then their clearly is no point at all in anyone responding to his posts . :-*
Anyone responding to my posts ? tell you what Mike Ill product mine when the Vision guys produce theirs after all these are the
guys who are inventing new chemical products.
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What parts are factually incorrect
Are you nuts? Which post of mine prompted you to react like you did in reference to me? Once you've thought about that & the penny drops- you tell me which part is not factually correct. ::)roll
Just file him under jealousy ;D
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Who you referring to me or chum
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I just don't know why SeanK has posted so many times about being negative on Vision.
Is he set to launch a similiar product ???
Us Vision guys have used this for a long time . We felt why not market the product and enhance other persons working day .
We certainly achieved this as many are very happy using Vision , especially as time goes by and their on their 2nd and 3rd cleans of properties .
Yes not everyone is 100% happy , but the majority who have bought Vision have embraced the product and are really loving it .
We just need the WEATHER NOW .
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For SeanK and friends.
IN SUMMER , we are selling a new product to go with our Vision .
"VISION SUN-GLASSES"
So that the super shine doesn't blind you
Lol
;D ;D ;D
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For SeanK and friends.
IN SUMMER , we are selling a new product to go with our Vision .
"VISION SUN-GLASSES"
So that the super shine doesn't blind you
Lol
;D ;D ;D
We need Sun to go with it :D
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SeanK did you used to come on here under the guise of Ewan?
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SeanK did you used to come on here under the guise of Ewan?
;D ;D ;D ;D
Who could forget Ewan!! ;D
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Ok, so after nearly 12 months of being a window cleaner and having a great first year, I have noticed that some of my clients windows are more difficult to clean than others with regards to spotting.
I always keep my TDS at 000, so I have ordered a bottle of this Vision.
Please can some one give me a definitive answer on how much to use,I have a 500Ltr tank.
Cheers
Dazzler
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Ok, so after nearly 12 months of being a window cleaner and having a great first year, I have noticed that some of my clients windows are more difficult to clean than others with regards to spotting.
I always keep my TDS at 000, so I have ordered a bottle of this Vision.
Please can some one give me a definitive answer on how much to use,I have a 500Ltr tank.
Cheers
Dazzler
Alright Bobby, I've got a 500ltr tank. I put 5 dodgy plunger squires in and it was a bit throthy. So, x4 squirts should be right. That's what I do now, unless you like it extra throthy?! :)
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Ok, so after nearly 12 months of being a window cleaner and having a great first year, I have noticed that some of my clients windows are more difficult to clean than others with regards to spotting.
I always keep my TDS at 000, so I have ordered a bottle of this Vision.
Please can some one give me a definitive answer on how much to use,I have a 500Ltr tank.
Cheers
Dazzler
It stops spotting ::)roll
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Dazzler
Put 5 ml into your 500 litre tank .
Best is to add to say 100 litres and then fill it upto 500 litres .
The following day just keep adding 1ml per every 100 litres
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Who you referring to me or chum
Whomsoever the cap fits. ;D
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;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Personally I would only add 4 pumps of the plunger and see how you get on in my opinion far better to under dose than over .
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What if...
Just what if........
SeanK was the 4th member of the Vision team and the banter is publicity.
No publicity is bad publicity and all that.
Just sayin'......... ;D
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What if...
Just what if........
SeanK was the 4th member of the Vision team and the banter is publicity.
No publicity is bad publicity and all that.
Just sayin'......... ;D
lmao
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What if...
Just what if........
SeanK was the 4th member of the Vision team and the banter is publicity.
No publicity is bad publicity and all that.
Just sayin'......... ;D
You would think with the amount of posts that it could well be true "PoleKing"
But in all honestly what could he bring to the table - customer Relations officer
LOL
It's all good fun
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Tad seank has done nowt but slag vision off I have used vision and its a very good product have you used it if not then how can you say anything , ps me right off that guys on here slag a product off without knowing anything about it , and for your information I have been on glass for thirty years fifteen of those wfp so I do know quite alot about wfp . If anything makes my working day easier I will try it and because they said it was a tested product thats enough for me , how long you been on glass tad and you seank .
have been on the glass since 1982, we don't use wfp or trad as we have our own method so don't need a product like vision as at this stage i think we are qualified in how to clean it, i have never slagged vision and wish the guys great success with it, my only problem is you calling guys dk heads and thinking that they know everything if they have a difference of opinion, maybe its best if you just let the three guys answer their critics.
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Well said that man!
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have been away on my hols...come back to find you girls still arguing
as usual about feck all...not surprised that Sean k is still obssessing about
vision..a little disapointed he hasnt got help for this addiction ;D
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have been away on my hols...come back to find you girls still arguing
as usual about feck all...not surprised that Sean k is still obssessing about
vision..a little disapointed he hasnt got help for this addiction ;D
how was your holls mate?
The February grind is nearly upon you. Bet your nice and refreshed. :)
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yep feeling good...had a nice break in spain..still got a bit of time left
not starting back till the 2nd of feb.
Got a nice trip planned this weekend with my eldest lad who has
found a nice spot down in christchurch for a spot of fishing on the dorset
stour.
staying in his student accomodation. ;D.thinks im going out with him and
his mates on the saturday night...will try and swerve that one..not sure i
could cope these days ;D
hope life is treating you well matey ;)
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yep feeling good...had a nice break in spain..still got a bit of time left
not starting back till the 2nd of feb.
Got a nice trip planned this weekend with my eldest lad who has
found a nice spot down in christchurch for a spot of fishing on the dorset
stour.
staying in his student accomodation. ;D.thinks im going out with him and
his mates on the saturday night...will try and swerve that one..not sure i
could cope these days ;D
hope life is treating you well matey ;)
Glad you had a good one. I'm sure this weekend you will have a few martini spritzers and there will be no stopping you with all the students. ;D
All the best mate. :)
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McVitie's Have a reported a huge loss for January. Now we know why ;D
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have been away on my hols...come back to find you girls still arguing
as usual about feck all...not surprised that Sean k is still obssessing about
vision..a little disapointed he hasnt got help for this addiction ;D
Nice one Gary , I'm actually getting concerned about him . It amazes me how much his responded to a product that we have developed and researched to help persons and obviously to earn us some additional income .
Amazed
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After weeks of posts if I was the 3 Vision guys I would not bother posting anymore .
And they still don't listen and I thought my wife was the only one , My dog is the only who listens to me , Also clearly more intelligent than most on here ;D :P :-*
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We only try and help . We have helped a few .
My dog is a Pug , not very bright at all
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Mine's a Labrador so defo more intelligent than some on here ;D ;D
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Tad seank has done nowt but slag vision off I have used vision and its a very good product have you used it if not then how can you say anything , ps me right off that guys on here slag a product off without knowing anything about it , and for your information I have been on glass for thirty years fifteen of those wfp so I do know quite alot about wfp . If anything makes my working day easier I will try it and because they said it was a tested product thats enough for me , how long you been on glass tad and you seank .
have been on the glass since 1982, we don't use wfp or trad as we have our own method so don't need a product like vision as at this stage i think we are qualified in how to clean it, i have never slagged vision and wish the guys great success with it, my only problem is you calling guys dk heads and thinking that they know everything if they have a difference of opinion, maybe its best if you just let the three guys answer their critics.
You don't use WFP or trad ,please don't tell me your using waffle cloths for large commercial work
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Tad seank has done nowt but slag vision off I have used vision and its a very good product have you used it if not then how can you say anything , ps me right off that guys on here slag a product off without knowing anything about it , and for your information I have been on glass for thirty years fifteen of those wfp so I do know quite alot about wfp . If anything makes my working day easier I will try it and because they said it was a tested product thats enough for me , how long you been on glass tad and you seank .
have been on the glass since 1982, we don't use wfp or trad as we have our own method so don't need a product like vision as at this stage i think we are qualified in how to clean it, i have never slagged vision and wish the guys great success with it, my only problem is you calling guys dk heads and thinking that they know everything if they have a difference of opinion, maybe its best if you just let the three guys answer their critics.
You don't use WFP or trad ,please don't tell me your using waffle cloths for large commercial work
No your fine Trevor its a method i cant talk about, maybe in the future i might be able to spill the beans.
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Tad seank has done nowt but slag vision off I have used vision and its a very good product have you used it if not then how can you say anything , ps me right off that guys on here slag a product off without knowing anything about it , and for your information I have been on glass for thirty years fifteen of those wfp so I do know quite alot about wfp . If anything makes my working day easier I will try it and because they said it was a tested product thats enough for me , how long you been on glass tad and you seank .
have been on the glass since 1982, we don't use wfp or trad as we have our own method so don't need a product like vision as at this stage i think we are qualified in how to clean it, i have never slagged vision and wish the guys great success with it, my only problem is you calling guys dk heads and thinking that they know everything if they have a difference of opinion, maybe its best if you just let the three guys answer their critics.
You don't use WFP or trad ,please don't tell me your using waffle cloths for large commercial work
No your fine Terry its a method i cant talk about, maybe in the future i might be able to spill the beans.
Karcher?
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Tad seank has done nowt but slag vision off I have used vision and its a very good product have you used it if not then how can you say anything , ps me right off that guys on here slag a product off without knowing anything about it , and for your information I have been on glass for thirty years fifteen of those wfp so I do know quite alot about wfp . If anything makes my working day easier I will try it and because they said it was a tested product thats enough for me , how long you been on glass tad and you seank .
have been on the glass since 1982, we don't use wfp or trad as we have our own method so don't need a product like vision as at this stage i think we are qualified in how to clean it, i have never slagged vision and wish the guys great success with it, my only problem is you calling guys dk heads and thinking that they know everything if they have a difference of opinion, maybe its best if you just let the three guys answer their critics.
You don't use WFP or trad ,please don't tell me your using waffle cloths for large commercial work
No your fine Terry its a method i cant talk about, maybe in the future i might be able to spill the beans.
Karcher?
::)roll ::)roll
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Polish
Karcher
Dry rag ???
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http://www.myeco2life.com/micelles-an-insight-in-to-what-makes-eco2life-such-a-great-cleaning-product/
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sweeping brush soaked in micelles :P
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no one even warm yet.
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no one even warm yet.
A bloody big Karcher?
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You fit New Glass everytime ??????
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Witchcraft??
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Just total BS?
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Possibly , but you never know , lol
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Sorry guys have to park this one for the mo, will come back to it when the time is right.
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McVitie's Have a reported a huge loss for January. Now we know why ;D
hi pure vision h20,could you change your avatar please?its looks identical to the jigsaw innovations logo,it implies that you are part of jigsaw or closely associated with it and would cause future confusion-many thanks
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McVitie's Have a reported a huge loss for January. Now we know why ;D
hi pure vision h20,could you change your avatar please?its looks identical to the jigsaw innovations logo,it implies that you are part of jigsaw or closely associated with it and would cause future confusion-many thanks
It should look identical, its yours ;) Yeah of course. It's just banter. Which reminds me i need to change my screen name as well!
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McVitie's Have a reported a huge loss for January. Now we know why ;D
hi pure vision h20,could you change your avatar please?its looks identical to the jigsaw innovations logo,it implies that you are part of jigsaw or closely associated with it and would cause future confusion-many thanks
It should look identical, its yours ;) Yeah of course. It's just banter. Which reminds me i need to change my screen name as well!
Your good for a laugh mate.
I never even noticed your name change! Haha.
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McVitie's Have a reported a huge loss for January. Now we know why ;D
hi pure vision h20,could you change your avatar please?its looks identical to the jigsaw innovations logo,it implies that you are part of jigsaw or closely associated with it and would cause future confusion-many thanks
It should look identical, its yours ;) Yeah of course. It's just banter. Which reminds me i need to change my screen name as well!
Your good for a laugh mate.
I never even noticed your name change! Haha.
It's been like that for 2 weeks i would say ;)
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I think mr pure h2o is an undercover agent for 'vision'...
As i understand it, he gets a percentage for every lead he draws in...
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I think mr pure h2o is an undercover agent for 'vision'...
As i understand it, he gets a percentage for every lead he draws in...
Wish i did mate id have at least £2 by now.
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I think mr pure h2o is an undercover agent for 'vision'...
As i understand it, he gets a percentage for every lead he draws in...
Wish i did mate id have at least £2 by now.
Just pulling your chain mate, theres a few who like a conspiracy theory so may as well keep 'em happy ;D
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I think mr pure h2o is an undercover agent for 'vision'...
As i understand it, he gets a percentage for every lead he draws in...
Wish i did mate id have at least £2 by now.
Pfffff,
That £2 has to get split three ways! ;D
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I think mr pure h2o is an undercover agent for 'vision'...
As i understand it, he gets a percentage for every lead he draws in...
Wish i did mate id have at least £2 by now.
Just pulling your chain mate, theres a few who like a conspiracy theory so may as well keep 'em happy ;D
I could really fuel that notion ;)
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I've heard of a few window cleaners having to visit vision express because of damaged retinas, due to the sparkle of the windows after using this 'vision'
Also a few are putting in claims of whiplash, because they're moving so fast across the window...
So to the vision lads, are you worried about any possible lawsuits in the future..?
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No .
Vision Sunglasses will be launched for summer .
Vision trainers so you can keep up with the speed of the brush .
Just joking , that's all ....
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No .
Vision Sunglasses will be launched for summer .
Vision trainers so you can keep up with the speed of the brush .
Just joking , that's all ....
Vision nose pegs for the bu...
nevermind
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No .
Vision Sunglasses will be launched for summer .
Vision trainers so you can keep up with the speed of the brush .
Just joking , that's all ....
Vision nose pegs for the bu...
nevermind
👍👏👏👏👏👏👏
I'll give you that one. :)
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No .
Vision Sunglasses will be launched for summer .
Vision trainers so you can keep up with the speed of the brush .
Just joking , that's all ....
Vision nose pegs for the bu...
nevermind
👍👏👏👏👏👏👏
I'll give you that one. :)
;D
Good lad. (I'm not pro or anti btw)
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No .
Vision Sunglasses will be launched for summer .
Vision trainers so you can keep up with the speed of the brush .
Just joking , that's all ....
;D
If you create a luminous solution, people could then work in the dark...
You could call it 'night vision'...
(Better add, like poleking i'm neither against or for vision!!)
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No .
Vision Sunglasses will be launched for summer .
Vision trainers so you can keep up with the speed of the brush .
Just joking , that's all ....
Vision nose pegs for the bu...
nevermind
👍👏👏👏👏👏👏
I'll give you that one. :)
;D
Good lad. (I'm not pro or anti btw)
It's all good in the hood. :)
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Night Vision - tgat be awesome .
Glows that much so we could work till 10pm
Lol
Good that
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Night Vision - tgat be awesome .
Glows that much so we could work till 10pm
Lol
Good that
I get the hump if I'm still workin' at 5pm, let alone 10!
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Just total BS?
Hummer, do you know that there are three types of people in the world today, people that make things happen, people that watch things happen, and people that wonder what the heck has happened, if you had the choice would you prefer to make watch or wonder what happens. for someone to introduce a new method or concept in cleaning its not just for the chosen few but for the few who choose. and there is no BS in those facts.
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Tadgh - everyone on CIU has good qualities , they run their own businesses and provide for their families
Simple .
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Tadgh - everyone on CIU has good qualities , they run their own businesses and provide for their families
Simple .
yes its simple really ain't it.
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Go vision , this with hot water is unreal
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Just total BS?
Hummer, do you know that there are three types of people in the world today, people that make things happen, people that watch things happen, and people that wonder what the heck has happened, if you had the choice would you prefer to make watch or wonder what happens. for someone to introduce a new method or concept in cleaning its not just for the chosen few but for the few who choose. and there is no BS in those facts.
There Endeth today's sermon.
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Just total BS?
Hummer, do you know that there are three types of people in the world today, people that make things happen, people that watch things happen, and people that wonder what the heck has happened, if you had the choice would you prefer to make watch or wonder what happens. for someone to introduce a new method or concept in cleaning its not just for the chosen few but for the few who choose. and there is no BS in those facts.
There Endeth today's sermon.
Amen.
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Pleased for you Neil ...
I worked today and it was a joy to see the results on the glass today , especially with the sun shining straight on them .
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Just total BS?
Hummer, do you know that there are three types of people in the world today, people that make things happen, people that watch things happen, and people that wonder what the heck has happened, if you had the choice would you prefer to make watch or wonder what happens. for someone to introduce a new method or concept in cleaning its not just for the chosen few but for the few who choose. and there is no BS in those facts.
In general i detest motivational statements. They don't work in general and they're very one sided in favour of the statement maker and designed to make the reciever of the statement comply with the motivational idea. I'm an optomist not a pressemist, so you'd think i'd like motivational statements? But here's why i don't like them......
If someone is so motivational then go and sell Bently cars in a poor Council estate and target them see how you get on ? There'll be no peer pressure there. Then try sell them in Alderley Edge (where there is peer pressure), and money. Of course these statements are targetted too.
And of course at its very basic level a need actually needs no more need than its basic neccesisty. These motivational statements create an artificial need, when there really is no need. Hence the concept of marketting.
No one here needs to be sold the concept, or marketted "electricity", as its something we all need and use. Hence we just look for the cheapest, i'm sure some one will tell you they only sell 100% quality electricity with a guaranteed supply, but you get the jist...
THis is not aimed at the guys from Vision BTW, who have made no such claims. Its just aimed at the above "motivational" quote.
Vision either works or it doesn't. I'm happy to give it a try based on what i've read. But please stop this motivational b******s (which is nothing to do with the vision guys). And there's no "amen" to it either, as that implies you believe in some story and thats the end of it. Nothing that is any use to you has a sales man, FACT . Nothing that is any use to you explains itself, FACT. Now can we dispense with this motivational stuff and just stick to the FACTS.
Right, now back to my whiskey, which no one had to twist my arm up my back for, nor make me feel ashamed for not buying it. Amen...... Oh no, i said thats wrong. Forget "amen"...!!! ~:-)
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Just total BS?
Hummer, do you know that there are three types of people in the world today, people that make things happen, people that watch things happen, and people that wonder what the heck has happened, if you had the choice would you prefer to make watch or wonder what happens. for someone to introduce a new method or concept in cleaning its not just for the chosen few but for the few who choose. and there is no BS in those facts.
In general i detest motivational statements. They don't work in general and they're very one sided in favour of the statement maker and designed to make the reciever of the statement comply with the motivational idea. I'm an optomist not a pressemist, so you'd think i'd like motivational statements? But here's why i don't like them......
If someone is so motivational then go and sell Bently cars in a poor Council estate and target them see how you get on ? There'll be no peer pressure there. Then try sell them in Alderley Edge (where there is peer pressure), and money. Of course these statements are targetted too.
And of course at its very basic level a need actually needs no more need than its basic neccesisty. These motivational statements create an artificial need, when there really is no need. Hence the concept of marketting.
No one here needs to be sold the concept, or marketted "electricity", as its something we all need and use. Hence we just look for the cheapest, i'm sure some one will tell you they only sell 100% quality electricity with a guaranteed supply, but you get the jist...
THis is not aimed at the guys from Vision BTW, who have made no such claims. Its just aimed at the above "motivational" quote.
Vision either works or it doesn't. I'm happy to give it a try based on what i've read. But please stop this motivational b******s (which is nothing to do with the vision guys). And there's no "amen" to it either, as that implies you believe in some story and thats the end of it. Nothing that is any use to you has a sales man, FACT . Nothing that is any use to you explains itself, FACT. Now can we dispense with this motivational stuff and just stick to the FACTS.
Right, now back to my whiskey, which no one had to twist my arm up my back for, nor make me feel ashamed for not buying it. Amen...... Oh no, i said thats wrong. Forget "amen"...!!! ~:-)
Make sure its a Jameson.
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Just total BS?
Hummer, do you know that there are three types of people in the world today, people that make things happen, people that watch things happen, and people that wonder what the heck has happened, if you had the choice would you prefer to make watch or wonder what happens. for someone to introduce a new method or concept in cleaning its not just for the chosen few but for the few who choose. and there is no BS in those facts.
In general i detest motivational statements. They don't work in general and they're very one sided in favour of the statement maker and designed to make the reciever of the statement comply with the motivational idea. I'm an optomist not a pressemist, so you'd think i'd like motivational statements? But here's why i don't like them......
If someone is so motivational then go and sell Bently cars in a poor Council estate and target them see how you get on ? There'll be no peer pressure there. Then try sell them in Alderley Edge (where there is peer pressure), and money. Of course these statements are targetted too.
And of course at its very basic level a need actually needs no more need than its basic neccesisty. These motivational statements create an artificial need, when there really is no need. Hence the concept of marketting.
No one here needs to be sold the concept, or marketted "electricity", as its something we all need and use. Hence we just look for the cheapest, i'm sure some one will tell you they only sell 100% quality electricity with a guaranteed supply, but you get the jist...
THis is not aimed at the guys from Vision BTW, who have made no such claims. Its just aimed at the above "motivational" quote.
Vision either works or it doesn't. I'm happy to give it a try based on what i've read. But please stop this motivational b******s (which is nothing to do with the vision guys). And there's no "amen" to it either, as that implies you believe in some story and thats the end of it. Nothing that is any use to you has a sales man, FACT . Nothing that is any use to you explains itself, FACT. Now can we dispense with this motivational stuff and just stick to the FACTS.
Right, now back to my whiskey, which no one had to twist my arm up my back for, nor make me feel ashamed for not buying it. Amen...... Oh no, i said thats wrong. Forget "amen"...!!! ~:-)
Make sure its a Jameson.
With red, i used to live in West Meath :-)
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Well said CleanClear . Sometimes forums can get a tad heated and one sided .
The majority give good advice , have a little bit of banter and that's how it should be .
Every product will have its admirers and also persons will prefere something else .
Each to their own , and gaining good advice and experiences is what makes a forum .
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Wtf is all this jibberish lol
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Wtf is all this jibberish lol
I think they're w@nkersed.
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Wtf is all this jibberish lol
Wibble !!
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Wtf is all this jibberish lol
I think they're w@nkersed.
You're thinking stands you in good stead. Insight, thats what i love !! :-)
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Hey another one without a personality ;)