Clean It Up
UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Hard Floor Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: david washbrook on December 21, 2014, 01:39:01 pm
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Just wondering from those who have 1 what are your thoughts on the klindex waterfire is it a useful tool and I would imagine it's better than the ufo for getting into small areas and also usefull for doing a demo rather than using the levi and I also understand from Kevin that you can get a brush attachment so it can be used as a small scrubbing machine
Thought please as I'm very tempted to get one
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I dont have one but did get the chance to view one while at Kevins the other week.
A mighty piece of kit thats for sure.
Having owned other edge polishers and machines for cleaning stairs and awkward areas there is no comparison to the build quality of the Waterfire.
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Might have to pop to birmingham to have a look ;)
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I've got one Dave, recently used it on a large job 130m2 grind for edging and it is a godsend nicely balanced and very robust. Very highly recommended piece of kit.
Mark
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I heard you had 1 mark glad you like it ;)
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Dave
Your Waterfire is ready for collection. Give me a ring when you get back from your holiday and we can either ship it direct or if you have time pop over and I will get Tony to run through it with you so you totally understand what it is capable of. And of course don't forget you get another load of tickets for the Draw ;D ;D ;D
Kev
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Dave
Great to see you again yesterday mate. Call me and I will ship the Heavy Duty Tile & Grout with your other products!
Kev
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Hi Kev
Great to see you and Anthony and your other staff friendly welcome as usual.
Priced 3 floors today and got all 3 so I will need a much bigger order so I will call you tomorrow
Cheers
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Had a go of a waterfire last week, very nice bit of kit, what are they! about a grande plus?
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Had a go of a waterfire last week, very nice bit of kit, what are they! about a grande plus?
Derek
Where did you try one?
Kev
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Up in Newcastle at a training course. it is the one with the 2 spirit levels on it yeah? sure it said water fire on the side. very nice.
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Up in Newcastle at a training course. it is the one with the 2 spirit levels on it yeah? sure it said water fire on the side. very nice.
Did you just have a go with a few diamonds or did they show you it's full potential and demonstrate the Crack Chaser, Grinder, Granite & Marble Diamonds? Did you use it at 90 Degrees as well? It's particularly good for stairs because of the adjustable Multi Directionals.
Kev
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just had a quick go kev, i was there to do get some confidence to flatten floors. really enjoyed it and learnt loads, still loads more to learn though. your course next as long as i can sit out the bit behind a desk. :)
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just had a quick go kev, i was there to do get some confidence to flatten floors. really enjoyed it and learnt loads, still loads more to learn though. your course next as long as i can sit out the bit behind a desk. :)
Look forward to it! Did you ever do the Applied Structural Drying Course in the NFS in the end?
Kev
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nope, nor have i done any flood jobs, but the amount of work ive got purely from my knowledge of drying buildings and incorporating it into my pitch when on site quoting made it all worth while.
so back to the training course, are you saying i can skip the classroom stuff and have a play on the machines while everyone else discovers the difference between igneous and sedimentary?
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nope, nor have i done any flood jobs, but the amount of work ive got purely from my knowledge of drying buildings and incorporating it into my pitch when on site quoting made it all worth while.
so back to the training course, are you saying i can skip the classroom stuff and have a play on the machines while everyone else discovers the difference between igneous and sedimentary?
I don't know Derek it is your call! The point is you have to know what your working on or it is pointless really! Don't know how much you know really because you have done a few courses. Can you tell the difference between Ceramic & Porcelain Tiles for example?
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hmmmm, i can if i can snap one in half ;D ceramic are not porous, where as porcelain can be, ever so slightly though, thats it, thats all i got on that one.
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A bit of a grey area defining a porcelain and ceramic tile Kevin, or am I missing some thing apart from a water test, ( not reliable ) scratch test not( really reliable) or having the good fortune of a spare tile at hand I would say its quite difficult.
I am no expert I know, but having spent lots of my time over the last few months gaining as much knowledge as possible regarding hard floors I have discovered this subject to cause many disagreements.
Now as we all know the normal route would be to install porcelain on floors as opposed to ceramic especially in high traffic area's so for me that is a good place to start hmmm, I guess with that last remark I may get ridiculed ;D .
I am interested though in how you can tell a definitive difference?
Please .
Geoff
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hmmmm, i can if i can snap one in half ;D ceramic are not porous, where as porcelain can be, ever so slightly though, thats it, thats all i got on that one.
There we go Derick, porcelain are porous, especially if unglazed and not sealed, not as porous as ceramic I know, so why ceramic in showers? well most have a high glaze must answer that one.
geoff
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hmmmm, i can if i can snap one in half ;D ceramic are not porous, where as porcelain can be, ever so slightly though, thats it, thats all i got on that one.
Derek
The question wasn't meant as a test! You asked if you could skip the classroom stuff! My point is if you are comfortable with the knowledge you have why bother attending a course?
Kev
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because being told how to grind a floor and grinding a floor are 2 different things, being told how to take a scratch out of a granite work surface and actually taking a scratch out of a granite work surface, again, 2 totally different things. all though scratches out of granite with a flex needs serious practice. and i guess a large pair of cahoonas on your first real life attempt in a custies house. ;D
so i'm looking for hands on training courses.
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Quote from above .
"I am interested though in how you can tell a definitive difference?
Please . "
Geoff
Please Kevin.....
Geoff
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Quote from above .
"I am interested though in how you can tell a definitive difference?
Please . "
Geoff
Please Kevin.....
Geoff
Dozens of different ways really it depends if its on the floor fixed or not yet fixed! But this is part of the course once you have done it you will be able to identify virtually any tile opr floor finish. You will be able to tell the difference between
Marble, Limestone, Travertine, Quartz
Granite and Basalt
Teracotta & Quarry Tile
Porcxelain & Ceramic Tiles
Cement Based Terrazzo v Resin Bases Terrazzo
Slate, Sandstone etc etc
I looked at some tiles the other day and at first glance was convinced it was Crema Marfil Limestone then I looked closely and performed a quick test and it was Porcelain. Technology just gets better and better. ;D ;D ;D
Kev
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because being told how to grind a floor and grinding a floor are 2 different things, being told how to take a scratch out of a granite work surface and actually taking a scratch out of a granite work surface, again, 2 totally different things. all though scratches out of granite with a flex needs serious practice. and i guess a large pair of cahoonas on your first real life attempt in a custies house. ;D
so i'm looking for hands on training courses.
Derek
I agree with you. However, you have to know the theory first then do the practice which is what we do. We teach it then you do it! I also have to ask why you would want to take a scratch out of Granite with a Flex machine? Why not just fill it to match and re polish it??? Then if I had to do it I would only use a UFO, Waterfire or a Levighetor ;D ;D ;D
Kev
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I know most of the theory Kev, i think what youre trying to tell me is do the whole course or not at all, and thats fair enough.
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I know most of the theory Kev, i think what youre trying to tell me is do the whole course or not at all, and thats fair enough.
Derek
No I am not saying that at all! If I meant that it is what I would have said! Lets say we teach "The Sealing Module" You spend time in the classroom learning
1. Porosity of Stone
2. Differences between sealers.
3 When to use topical or penetrating sealers
4. What stone you can use what on and why.
5. How to apply a seler correctly.
6. Benefits / damage multiple coats
7. Warranty and cost of sealers.
Then we take you and get you to do it practically
Then we move on to the next module but if you want to book a course and miss all the theory out it doesn't bother me.
Kev
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sounds like a really good and thorough course kev. i just struggle with theory, probably why i hated school. ;D
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sounds like a really good and thorough course kev. i just struggle with theory, probably why i hated school. ;D
There is no exam though and most take out of the course what they want
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exams dont bother me, i got a higher score than you at the flood course ;D
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exams dont bother me, i got a higher score than you at the flood course ;D
Derek
I totally agree you did on the Water Restoration Technician Course but I went on and completed the Applied Structural Drying Specialist course ;D ;D ;D
Kevin