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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Pj on December 14, 2014, 07:32:30 pm
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Does anyone know?
What is the primary selling feature of the much discussed product Vision?
Is it the viscosity it creates?
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If only there was a 30 page thread discussing this.....
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If only there was a 30 page thread discussing this.....
Haha
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If only there was a 30 page thread discussing this.....
Good answer
Lol
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcCHRW8G9yY
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If only there was a 30 page thread discussing this.....
Good answer
Lol
Not really. It is a straightforward question that hasn't been given a straightforward answer yet.
If the answer is yes then at least I will then know what the product is before I buy.
Apart from the smart remarks and usual bicker banter all that has really been said is that it produces lots of bubbles, it makes the brush glide and it feels a bit slippy.
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Hi .
I obviously affiliated to the vision product .
From my 12 months + of usage - it makes my brush glide more , reduces spotting to in my experience zero. Windows easier to clean month by month in my view .
Plus a good shine.
But I'm probably biased , but im talking from 12+ month experience .
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My first attempt of using that stuff on phobic glass actualy increased spotting not reduced it. ???
Mind you I should have cleaned the filthy top frames first ;D
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Smurf . You are very unique to get spotting with using vision .
At least your trying the product now and your views are appreciated.
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Well they were more like drip marks really as I could not be arsed to clean the top frames ;D
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Hi .
I obviously affiliated to the vision product .
From my 12 months + of usage - it makes my brush glide more , reduces spotting to in my experience zero. Windows easier to clean month by month in my view .
Plus a good shine.
But I'm probably biased , but im talking from 12+ month experience .
Reduces spotting? As in: you used to leave loads of spots but with this product you leave less, but still some?
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Boy it's hard work sometimes .
I have had spotting issues before which can be for a variety of reasons .
I didn't have many windows that spotted . But we've vision ive never witnessed any .
Think I'm exhausted my replies now . Answered many in various posts .
It's simply a case of try it and experience using Vision .
Or don't l, simple really .
Bedtime for me
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Boy it's hard work sometimes .
I have had spotting issues before which can be for a variety of reasons .
I didn't have many windows that spotted . But we've vision ive never witnessed any .
Think I'm exhausted my replies now . Answered many in various posts .
It's simply a case of try it and experience using Vision .
Or don't l, simple really .
Bedtime for me
for a score, ill take a punt
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Re: Vision On......
I've always liked Vision On ;)....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCYKGei2fyY
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Are there any good demonstration videos illustrating the vision working?
Not that rubbish one from the bedroom 😄
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Are there any good demonstration videos illustrating the vision working?
Not that rubbish one from the bedroom 😄
Johnny sent me a few vids when I was building the website - I told him not to use them because its one of those things that's really hard to catch visually without a professional HD camera & lighting setup - even then you'd need to figure a way to do a side by side comparison to show the difference.
I know its on the guys "to do" list, but this time of year they're too busy cleaning windows to be organising it I reckon!
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I have used it on Friday and today and really like the product, will it save a lot of time on regular cleans I doubt it but it does feel like it is cleaning the glass with a lot less effort.
The best way I can describe it is if you are cleaning traditional with no detergent in the water then when cleaning you tend to get a drag on the applicator and squeegee but when a detergent is used the pad and squeegee glide easier this product has a similar effect on the brush of the WFP.
I have not tried the product on any really dirty windows that we only clean six monthly but I honestly think it will move the dirt a lot easier I will let you know when I try it early next week.
PS the bottle plunger does need looking at as mine stopped working after second press
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Well, thanks for input guys (sensible ones). I have a good hunch I know what this is. I will indeed be trailing it, but I doubt it has the power in its contents to reduce spotting any better than proper cleaning with purified water. I will share my comments after thorough testing as I'm sure many others will too.
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Boy it's hard work sometimes .
I have had spotting issues before which can be for a variety of reasons .
I didn't have many windows that spotted . But we've vision ive never witnessed any .
Think I'm exhausted my replies now . Answered many in various posts .
It's simply a case of try it and experience using Vision .
Or don't l, simple really .
Bedtime for me
I would have lost my temper many many posts ago mate
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Cheers Duncan .
The 3 of us involved with Visio. Are quite easy going guys .
It's a new product , that's had a lot of questions and we've done our best to answer them . The forum has been good and many have reviewed the product on here favourably . And on other forums .
We will always be a phone call or email away .
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Well, thanks for input guys (sensible ones). I have a good hunch I know what this is. I will indeed be trailing it, but I doubt it has the power in its contents to reduce spotting any better than proper cleaning with purified water. I will share my comments after thorough testing as I'm sure many others will too.
You have a hunch what Vision is? I have a theory too. But I'm probably wrong :D
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Well, thanks for input guys (sensible ones). I have a good hunch I know what this is. I will indeed be trailing it, but I doubt it has the power in its contents to reduce spotting any better than proper cleaning with purified water. I will share my comments after thorough testing as I'm sure many others will too.
You have a hunch what Vision is? I have a theory too. But I'm probably wrong :D
Lots of people seem to say the have a hunch what it is but never actually say what that hunch is...............
Here's a challenge to anyone..............if you tell me the exact ingredients I will personally send you a free bottle. If you tell me all the ingredients plus the ratios and how they are blended together I will give you a life times supply! I'm that confident. ;D
Offer ends in 24 hours. Any takers? Lol
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Hi Jonny , can I have a free bottle of I get 90% of the ingrediants right .
I'm pretty confident of the Ratio's
LOL
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I have used it on Friday and today and really like the product, will it save a lot of time on regular cleans I doubt it but it does feel like it is cleaning the glass with a lot less effort.
The best way I can describe it is if you are cleaning traditional with no detergent in the water then when cleaning you tend to get a drag on the applicator and squeegee but when a detergent is used the pad and squeegee glide easier this product has a similar effect on the brush of the WFP.
I have not tried the product on any really dirty windows that we only clean six monthly but I honestly think it will move the dirt a lot easier I will let you know when I try it early next week.
PS the bottle plunger does need looking at as mine stopped working after second press
Hi Trevor,
For me personally I notice the most benefit on first cleans and really dirty windows. That's when I save the most time. Your right in what you say, it's like having a detergent on your brush head.
Also you are right about the plunger. :( It was a mistake to use these as they are very unreliable. Were looking for a new type of dispenser at the moment.
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Hi Jonny , can I have a free bottle of I get 90% of the ingrediants right .
I'm pretty confident of the Ratio's
LOL
Haha
No deal!
;D
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I can never remember the names of a few of them anyway .
Being serious the new plunger/dispenser that I'm currently using is a lot better .
There So expensive some of the types available , and we're window cleaners as well and like to keep costs down
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Well, thanks for input guys (sensible ones). I have a good hunch I know what this is. I will indeed be trailing it, but I doubt it has the power in its contents to reduce spotting any better than proper cleaning with purified water. I will share my comments after thorough testing as I'm sure many others will too.
You have a hunch what Vision is? I have a theory too. But I'm probably wrong :D
Lots of people seem to say the have a hunch what it is but never actually say what that hunch is...............
Here's a challenge to anyone..............if you tell me the exact ingredients I will personally send you a free bottle. If you tell me all the ingredients plus the ratios and how they are blended together I will give you a life times supply! I'm that confident. ;D
Offer ends in 24 hours. Any takers? Lol
Would I be totally off the mark if I said Vision is this? http://www.evansvanodine.com/shop/product/8-A139EEV2/
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Personally Im not prepared to say Yes or No to any suggestions of what Vision is .
Like Jonny said previously it's a mix of various materials .
I'm part of Vision and I'm not totally sure of two of them , as Kevsey sources the majority of them .
So I will never comment on persons guessing .
As there's simply no need for me to do so
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Personally Im not prepared to say Yes or No to any suggestions of what Vision is .
Like Jonny said previously it's a mix of various materials .
I'm part of Vision and I'm not totally sure of two of them , as Kevsey sources the majority of them .
So I will never comment on persons guessing .
As there's simply no need for me to do so
A politicians answer if ever I heard one :P
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Well, thanks for input guys (sensible ones). I have a good hunch I know what this is. I will indeed be trailing it, but I doubt it has the power in its contents to reduce spotting any better than proper cleaning with purified water. I will share my comments after thorough testing as I'm sure many others will too.
You have a hunch what Vision is? I have a theory too. But I'm probably wrong :D
Lots of people seem to say the have a hunch what it is but never actually say what that hunch is...............
Here's a challenge to anyone..............if you tell me the exact ingredients I will personally send you a free bottle. If you tell me all the ingredients plus the ratios and how they are blended together I will give you a life times supply! I'm that confident. ;D
Offer ends in 24 hours. Any takers? Lol
Would I be totally off the mark if I said Vision is this? http://www.evansvanodine.com/shop/product/8-A139EEV2/
Stone cold mate.
This isn't an off the shelf product we have rebranded. :)
As kempy says I probably shouldn't be commenting either way, but honestly, no one knows what's in this except those involved. Guessing or finding the right ingredients would be like a needle in a hay stack.
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Its an exact copy of something already out http://jigsaw-innovations.co.uk/product/vision-single-pack/ ;D :D ;) :)
Just purchased some. Don't believe iv just spent £18 on a tub of bubbles lol. Whats worse is you live near me but cant be arst going for it ;D
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What's the link to the website?
I'll buy a bottle and review it.
Cheers,
Caleb
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I can never remember the names of a few of them anyway .
Being serious the new plunger/dispenser that I'm currently using is a lot better .
There So expensive some of the types available , and we're window cleaners as well and like to keep costs down
Why not sell the first bottle for a few quid more with the best plunger you can find, then sell 'refill bottles' with just a screw cap to decant into the plunger bottle?
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I can never remember the names of a few of them anyway .
Being serious the new plunger/dispenser that I'm currently using is a lot better .
There So expensive some of the types available , and we're window cleaners as well and like to keep costs down
Why not sell the first bottle for a few quid more with the best plunger you can find, then sell 'refill bottles' with just a screw cap to decant into the plunger bottle?
Good idea. Then we can use our own if need be
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I can never remember the names of a few of them anyway .
Being serious the new plunger/dispenser that I'm currently using is a lot better .
There So expensive some of the types available , and we're window cleaners as well and like to keep costs down
Why not sell the first bottle for a few quid more with the best plunger you can find, then sell 'refill bottles' with just a screw cap to decant into the plunger bottle?
Not a bad idea that pole king.
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I dare say it's been asked already, but do we have the list of ingredients?
Nick
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Hydrogen Peroxide
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I would like to see it sold in bigger bottles as well. Maybe 500ml 1L
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I would like to see it sold in bigger bottles as well. Maybe 500ml 1L
Ahh, but would it cost £64 or so for 1litre? At that price it wouldn't sound such a good deal would it, compared to buying 20 litres of Virosol at around £20. It's not the same stuff obviously, but you get where I'm coming from?
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Should reduce costs tho.
1 bottle.
Reduced postage as ordering less often.
Just a capped bottle.
I was hoping it would be cheaper.
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Can't be doing with trawling through 30pages , So has it had longterm cleans on composite doors and dark brown PVC windows .
Had new windows and door fitted earlier this year and seen as the frames are a vinyl wrap as such is Vision a safe product to use don't wanna damage thousands of ££'s of investment .
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We've only been selling for 2 weeks . We've done well and had some great reviews and advice . We're taking them all seriously and tweaking here and there.
bigger bottles may be a option as well for the person with multi vans , etc .
Or jake999 who just simply loves it .
Lol
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Can't be doing with trawling through 30pages , So has it had longterm cleans on composite doors and dark brown PVC windows .
Had new windows and door fitted earlier this year and seen as the frames are a vinyl wrap as such is Vision a safe product to use don't wanna damage thousands of ££'s of investment .
Been using it for 12 months on all types of windows and frames with no problems. It's also been tested for safety on window seals and frames etc.
In it's diluted state it's just like pure, with a boost.
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In it's diluted state it's just like pure, with a boost.
H2O2?
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Hydrogen Peroxide
even at 30% dilution to the bottle its a dangerous option mate h2o o2 ;),tried it naaahhh,better used for rocket fuel me thinks,
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Vision costs the average 400 litre users about 20/30p a day .
It will Definately earn you your 30p a day back
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Hydrogen Peroxide
even at 30% dilution to the bottle its a dangerous option mate h2o o2 ;),tried it naaahhh,better used for rocket fuel me thinks,
30%?? It's being sold considerably diluted and once in the tank it's more like .01%!
I've drunk stronger mixtures of it than that years ago when it was being sold as an alternative remedy, all I got was a headache, no launch to the moon!
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i beleive the alternative remedy is to use it for over a month or so and you feel rubbish during that and then you feel a whole lot better after that,bicarbonate of soda is the current thing or fashion for all aches and pains now i beleive
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i beleive the alternative remedy is to use it for over a month or so and you feel rubbish during that and then you feel a whole lot better after that,bicarbonate of soda is the current thing or fashion for all aches and pains now i beleive
Partially true. You mean that you are meant to feel a whole lot better...
Another Placebo
Back on topic, I'm not suggesting Vision is merely a placebo.
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i understand pj
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Can't be doing with trawling through 30pages , So has it had longterm cleans on composite doors and dark brown PVC windows .
Had new windows and door fitted earlier this year and seen as the frames are a vinyl wrap as such is Vision a safe product to use don't wanna damage thousands of ££'s of investment .
Been using it for 12 months on all types of windows and frames with no problems. It's also been tested for safety on window seals and frames etc.
In it's diluted state it's just like pure, with a boost.
Thanks for that Jonny just thought is was worth asking , I dont think i am supposed to use any cleaning products on new front door , Although i do use a UV protectant and cleaner used on car plastics .
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I used it on a bungalow that not been cleaned for 9 months worked lovely .Also brought a stainless steel soap dispenser from Tesco for £4 and put rest of Vision in that as much stronger than plastic bottle if I drop it .
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We're looking into a new bottle and dispenser . But have to weigh up the coatings etc .
Glad your liking the product , persons are giving great reviews once they have been using it a week or two .
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Why not just get a plastic measuring cup that fits over a screw top lid of bottle surely easier all round and cheaper
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I think you would do better providing a bottle with cap and a measuring cup.
I am using a syringe as suggested and it's easy peasey.
Does 0.25ml - 5ml
So you can put in 1.75ml for 175Litres of pure. Not that I am that accurate. I round up.
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Great advice guys . We're looking into a lot of different possibilities .
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Used today on first clean. House is on estate still being built so as you can imagine frames and glass really dirty. Worked fine and definitely makes a difference. However I discovered something else, spots on glass left and forklifts and dumpers going up and down past house so very likely to pick up dirt. Sqeegeed window with wagtail and found it glided beautifully. No judder or sqeaking and believe me I pressed quite hard to test it.
I hate having to blade pure as the slightest bit of pressure it judders but not with this stuff so I`m even more impressed. Try it.
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Used today on first clean. House is on estate still being built so as you can imagine frames and glass really dirty. Worked fine and definitely makes a difference. However I discovered something else, spots on glass left and forklifts and dumpers going up and down past house so very likely to pick up dirt. Sqeegeed window with wagtail and found it glided beautifully. No judder or sqeaking and believe me I pressed quite hard to test it.
I hate having to blade pure as the slightest bit of pressure it judders but not with this stuff so I`m even more impressed. Try it.
I can't get on with pure mixed with soap when blading. Odd but true.
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I cannot believe Tosh is so asleep to allow these so called adverting going on this forum unpaid for .As the one fades out another starts,come guys it not a miracle its a rinsing agent.You are pushing the boundaries it will backfire as more get tired of all this vision lark. We all done well without it so cut trying to hype up a worn out thread. Its been rammed down our throats a bit.
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I cannot believe Tosh is so asleep to allow these so called adverting going on this forum unpaid for .As the one fades out another starts,come guys it not a miracle its a rinsing agent.You are pushing the boundaries it will backfire as more get tired of all this vision lark. We all done well without it so cut trying to hype up a worn out thread. Its been rammed down our throats a bit.
We have never even posted anything like an advert. We've only ever been answering questions that people are asking!
Admin can delete any posts they want to. (Might save me having to response to daft comments like yours) All we've done is answer questions or correct people that are factually wrong.
Heres a thought........if you stop commenting/asking questions or making factually wrong statements then these threads will disappear and finally give us peace. ;D
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Slap you probably cant afford vision n thats why you are slating the product , until you have tried it shut the hell up , everyone I know has tried it and the product works brilliant so dont slate a product that you havent tried :-X
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jeezus whats all that about, sounds like someone aint gettin none :-*
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I'm trailing Vision at the moment, day 2 complete, too early to comment. A very good friend has given me a bottle to try.
Just a thought to you guys behind this product, regarding all the banter on this forum, a bit of advice - "you can't shut every barking dog up" - so don't try, as we all know once you are on the tinterweb the line can very quickly blur between banter and insults.
Take Tosh for example... Please? Someone? Anyone? ;D
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Paul since they launched vision there has been a few on here slating the product when they haven't even tried it . I have used it and so has many others most are very happy . I can't do with people that slags something off they know nothing about >:(
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That`s just were you are wrong I he used Vision as a mate bought some with me and we tried it not overly impressed. Don`t feel it warrants the extra expense as I already get good results with out it. Pole chap come on here and this forum stops them chatting about there poles but you guys just keep these threads going to milk the system. Anyway I will refrain from more verbals so you can exploit the forum. You guys go on as if its gold you have discovered, its boring.
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No, Gold discovered Flounce. Keep up!
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Lets not forget all the slagging off its getting. To me. If they are window cleaners and have contributed on here, they so be it. If they are a company that's come on here to sell a product, that's different.
I havnt heard any selling of VISION VISION VISION VISION VISION VISION VISION 8) :o ;D on here at all...from the owners.
http://jigsaw-innovations.co.uk/product/vision-single-pack/
lmao ;)
I should get mine any day. If its naff. Ill let you know...trust me.
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I'm trailing Vision at the moment, day 2 complete, too early to comment. A very good friend has given me a bottle to try.
Just a thought to you guys behind this product, regarding all the banter on this forum, a bit of advice - "you can't shut every barking dog up" - so don't try, as we all know once you are on the tinterweb the line can very quickly blur between banter and insults.
Take Tosh for example... Please? Someone? Anyone? ;D
Wise words pj. :)
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I cannot believe Tosh is so asleep to allow these so called adverting going on this forum unpaid for .As the one fades out another starts,come guys it not a miracle its a rinsing agent.You are pushing the boundaries it will backfire as more get tired of all this vision lark. We all done well without it so cut trying to hype up a worn out thread. Its been rammed down our throats a bit.
From my use this isn't just a rinsing agent, it's the opposite to a rinsing agent as it makes the water stick to the glass. It does however blitz birds muck like nothing I've seen before. I don't know if that's because I'm using hot water as well but Birds doing last only a few swipes.
I think the reason why people are so negative about this product is that for years we have all been saying pure water is the way to go, then some one comes along to sell us something to put in our pure water and everyone thinks that they are being ripped off until they try it.
Out of interest, when I've mixed the solution in the tank I notice that the water gives off a gas whilst the solution is mixing, can anyone tell me what gas it is?
Simon.
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I cannot believe Tosh is so asleep to allow these so called adverting going on this forum unpaid for .As the one fades out another starts,come guys it not a miracle its a rinsing agent.You are pushing the boundaries it will backfire as more get tired of all this vision lark. We all done well without it so cut trying to hype up a worn out thread. Its been rammed down our throats a bit.
From my use this isn't just a rinsing agent, it's the opposite to a rinsing agent as it makes the water stick to the glass. It does however blitz birds muck like nothing I've seen before. I don't know if that's because I'm using hot water as well but Birds doing last only a few swipes.
I think the reason why people are so negative about this product is that for years we have all been saying pure water is the way to go, then some one comes along to sell us something to put in our pure water and everyone thinks that they are being ripped off until they try it.
Out of interest, when I've mixed the solution in the tank I notice that the water gives off a gas whilst the solution is mixing, can anyone tell me what gas it is?
Simon.
Gas ? ;D thats new to me :) I think is Cyanide gas ;D careful with it.
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I cannot believe Tosh is so asleep to allow these so called adverting going on this forum unpaid for .As the one fades out another starts,come guys it not a miracle its a rinsing agent.You are pushing the boundaries it will backfire as more get tired of all this vision lark. We all done well without it so cut trying to hype up a worn out thread. Its been rammed down our throats a bit.
From my use this isn't just a rinsing agent, it's the opposite to a rinsing agent as it makes the water stick to the glass. It does however blitz birds muck like nothing I've seen before. I don't know if that's because I'm using hot water as well but Birds doing last only a few swipes.
I think the reason why people are so negative about this product is that for years we have all been saying pure water is the way to go, then some one comes along to sell us something to put in our pure water and everyone thinks that they are being ripped off until they try it.
Out of interest, when I've mixed the solution in the tank I notice that the water gives off a gas whilst the solution is mixing, can anyone tell me what gas it is?
Simon.
Gas ? ;D thats new to me :) I think is Cyanide gas ;D careful with it.
Seriously has nobody else noticed this? I put the solution in first and then fill so it gets mixed despite the baffles, so maybe it speeds thing up. To me there definitely seems to be gas released as the solution mixes in or rather reacts with the water. It would also explain how 1ml of solution can affect 100L of water so dramatically, a chemical reaction is taking place. Do you know what the gas is. Hopefully not cyanide.
Simon.
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Ask the chemists who make the stuff - they should know.
Hydrogen Chloride perhaps?
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I fill mine up this way with the water purifying down onto the Vision mix . Been using it over 12 months and not had this .
I've had the mix disperse into the pure water with a whitening effect , but that's it .
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Maybe he put a Barnsley "E" in it, just for you. Ill test, with a lighter and see if my dogs can smell it :)
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Suprise another Dave Willis post .
;D
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Glad to help - we had trouble with our Froff - info here http://www.dhmo.org/
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I think you need help or a hobby
;D
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Paul since they launched vision there has been a few on here slating the product when they haven't even tried it . I have used it and so has many others most are very happy . I can't do with people that slags something off they know nothing about >:(
i know i was talking about the other guy lol, ive been using it all week and seems to work well, especially on bird poo and stubborn marks.
one thing i was wondering , does it leave a residue on windows and if after a while i stop using it, will it then cause spotting until i break down the layer on glass(like when you start wfp after window been done trad for a long time) if that makes sense
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I cannot believe Tosh is so asleep to allow these so called adverting going on this forum unpaid for .As the one fades out another starts,come guys it not a miracle its a rinsing agent.You are pushing the boundaries it will backfire as more get tired of all this vision lark. We all done well without it so cut trying to hype up a worn out thread. Its been rammed down our throats a bit.
From my use this isn't just a rinsing agent, it's the opposite to a rinsing agent as it makes the water stick to the glass.
I was hoping it would help with rinsing , Make it quicker i have some very large double bay windowed fronted houses that always need extra rinsing because of crap of main road all year round .
Guess I'll find out in time as to the benefits when mine arrives hopefully Friday .
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Its just a pity that somebody couldn't bottle common sense as there seems to be a severe shortage of
it on this forum lately.
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I used to add dihydrogen monoxide to my tank and it did a brilliant job.
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That strange nat as I'm still using it ;D ;D ;D ;D
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I've been testing it for eight years now.
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I cannot believe Tosh is so asleep to allow these so called adverting going on this forum unpaid for .As the one fades out another starts,come guys it not a miracle its a rinsing agent.You are pushing the boundaries it will backfire as more get tired of all this vision lark. We all done well without it so cut trying to hype up a worn out thread. Its been rammed down our throats a bit.
From my use this isn't just a rinsing agent, it's the opposite to a rinsing agent as it makes the water stick to the glass. It does however blitz birds muck like nothing I've seen before. I don't know if that's because I'm using hot water as well but Birds doing last only a few swipes.
I think the reason why people are so negative about this product is that for years we have all been saying pure water is the way to go, then some one comes along to sell us something to put in our pure water and everyone thinks that they are being ripped off until they try it.
Out of interest, when I've mixed the solution in the tank I notice that the water gives off a gas whilst the solution is mixing, can anyone tell me what gas it is?
Simon.
hi Simon,
There should definitely be no gases released when you add it to water. That's puzzled me to be honest as none of us have noticed anything like this in the 12 months we've been using it.
Thankfully we do have chemists who have helped us out so far and are obviously much more knowledgable than ourselves. I will check this with them and get back to you.
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I have been using vision for 7 days and I think the stuff is fantastic, these guys who have developed the stuff need to be congratulated for helping to improve the quality of water fed pole window cleaning. Every improvement, no matter how small results in our customers receiving a better quality service. This is what we have found on using this additive:
1. The brush does glide better especially on leaded, is it still cleaning with the brush gliding better? yes of course it does as others have commented on how fast it removes bird/insect poo
2. The spots and marks left by insect poo (or whatever it is) are no longer a problem with using vison in your water. I have a mornings work in a rural area that is the worst part of my round in regards to dirty windows from insects etc. I have waited until I cleaned this area before writing my comments, we found that the insect marks that have been impossible to move with just pure water, have now been removed with ease. The customers frames/conservatories/windows/doors look so much better, its has deffinatley got some umph to it.
3. We have all probably been asked by the customer 'is it just water your cleaning with?, is there no soap?' and when you reply yes and explain the cleaning properties of pure water, you get a look that doesn't inspire you with confidence in that the customer believes what you have just told them. I think this product will help win over customers confidence in water fed pole window cleaning if they know you have and additive that helps give their windows the great results.
Is it faster ? - yes it removes insect marks and bird poo faster
Is it cost effective ? - too right it is, it has improved cleaning power and it costs under £20 and lasts for a good few months and more for most people,
Does it make more windows hydrophillic ? I think it does but I personally don't care about this as a major improvement.
For me the marks left by insects/birds that are removed with ease are enough to convince me to keep using the product, this product costs pence per day for giving our customers a better quality end result to their windows/frames etc.
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I have been using vision for 7 days and I think the stuff is fantastic, these guys who have developed the stuff need to be congratulated for helping to improve the quality of water fed pole window cleaning. Every improvement, no matter how small results in our customers receiving a better quality service. This is what we have found on using this additive:
1. The brush does glide better especially on leaded, is it still cleaning with the brush gliding better? yes of course it does as others have commented on how fast it removes bird/insect poo
2. The spots and marks left by insect poo (or whatever it is) are no longer a problem with using vison in your water. I have a mornings work in a rural area that is the worst part of my round in regards to dirty windows from insects etc. I have waited until I cleaned this area before writing my comments, we found that the insect marks that have been impossible to move with just pure water, have now been removed with ease. The customers frames/conservatories/windows/doors look so much better, its has deffinatley got some umph to it.
3. We have all probably been asked by the customer 'is it just water your cleaning with?, is there no soap?' and when you reply yes and explain the cleaning properties of pure water, you get a look that doesn't inspire you with confidence in that the customer believes what you have just told them. I think this product will help win over customers confidence in water fed pole window cleaning if they know you have and additive that helps give their windows the great results.
Is it faster ? - yes it removes insect marks and bird poo faster
Is it cost effective ? - too right it is, it has improved cleaning power and it costs under £20 and lasts for a good few months and more for most people,
Does it make more windows hydrophillic ? I think it does but I personally don't care about this as a major improvement.
For me the marks left by insects/birds that are removed with ease are enough to convince me to keep using the product, this product costs pence per day for giving our customers a better quality end result to their windows/frames etc.
Well said trev, well said, i send this. :)
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Used it for nearly a week now and I think it's a very good product,I don't know what's in it but I'll be buying more of it,massive difference to me on all jobs I've done with it.
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It does make you quicker on jobs,you can get away with a lot less time on each window. I think the real difference will be seen on the next visits to jobs that have had it used on them,I found that the bristles are cleaner I hope it dosent have bleach in it lol. Mixed with water it looks like it has the same relation as oil on top of water
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Jonny87, if I increased the recommended amount of vision added to my pure, would it give me more cleaning power? And would spotting become a problem if too much vision was added?
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Is it safe on polycarbonate conservatory roofs
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Jonny87, if I increased the recommended amount of vision added to my pure, would it give me more cleaning power? And would spotting become a problem if too much vision was added?
Hi Barry , in my 650 litre tank I ususally put the 7ml into my tank .
However when I refill I regularly put another 7ml in even if it's already got 200 litres already in .
In time you will build up higher dosages and some days you may refill and not add any as already have enough in .
I've worked with 1ml in my tank all the way upto 100ml over the last 2 years . With experience now I have found the ideal ratio is what we advise 1ml - 100 litres .
But you can tweak it to your preferences .
Enjoy Vision , we've had some great reviews . Cheers
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It does make you quicker on jobs,you can get away with a lot less time on each window. I think the real difference will be seen on the next visits to jobs that have had it used on them,I found that the bristles are cleaner I hope it dosent have bleach in it lol. Mixed with water it looks like it has the same relation as oil on top of water
So you are already using it on your second visits even though its only been on sale for two weeks. ::)roll
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Is it safe on polycarbonate conservatory roofs
As long as they don't react to bubbles then they will be fine.
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I have been using vision for 7 days and I think the stuff is fantastic, these guys who have developed the stuff need to be congratulated for helping to improve the quality of water fed pole window cleaning. Every improvement, no matter how small results in our customers receiving a better quality service. This is what we have found on using this additive:
1. The brush does glide better especially on leaded, is it still cleaning with the brush gliding better? yes of course it does as others have commented on how fast it removes bird/insect poo
2. The spots and marks left by insect poo (or whatever it is) are no longer a problem with using vison in your water. I have a mornings work in a rural area that is the worst part of my round in regards to dirty windows from insects etc. I have waited until I cleaned this area before writing my comments, we found that the insect marks that have been impossible to move with just pure water, have now been removed with ease. The customers frames/conservatories/windows/doors look so much better, its has deffinatley got some umph to it.
3. We have all probably been asked by the customer 'is it just water your cleaning with?, is there no soap?' and when you reply yes and explain the cleaning properties of pure water, you get a look that doesn't inspire you with confidence in that the customer believes what you have just told them. I think this product will help win over customers confidence in water fed pole window cleaning if they know you have and additive that helps give their windows the great results.
Is it faster ? - yes it removes insect marks and bird poo faster
Is it cost effective ? - too right it is, it has improved cleaning power and it costs under £20 and lasts for a good few months and more for most people,
Does it make more windows hydrophillic ? I think it does but I personally don't care about this as a major improvement.
For me the marks left by insects/birds that are removed with ease are enough to convince me to keep using the product, this product costs pence per day for giving our customers a better quality end result to their windows/frames etc.
Maybe the fact that there's a lot of moisture on the glass and in the air plus no baking sun would make bird muck easier to
remove at this time of the year.
The wet weather of late might also have something to do with it.
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I'm sure the traditional guys who have been told so often on this forum about this super quick superior cleaning method
called WFP with purified water are having a right smug belly laugh on this forum now.
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It does make you quicker on jobs,you can get away with a lot less time on each window. I think the real difference will be seen on the next visits to jobs that have had it used on them,I found that the bristles are cleaner I hope it dosent have bleach in it lol. Mixed with water it looks like it has the same relation as oil on top of water
So you are already using it on your second visits even though its only been on sale for two weeks. ::)roll
Could be a tester. A chap who I know has been using it for months. (Posts on here)
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I'm sure the traditional guys who have been told so often on this forum about this super quick superior cleaning method
called WFP with purified water are having a right smug belly laugh on this forum now.
The above doesn't make sense to me Sean matey,this isn't the first additive
used with pure,in real cold spells some guys have used Isopropronal in their
tanks so they could clean in lower temps.
The fact is WFP is faster and safer than trad,thats the selling point for
me whether you add something to pure or not is irrelevant.
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Kempy & Jonny
Can you tell us more about this product please ?
http://jigsaw-innovations.co.uk/product/wholesale-quantities/
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It does make you quicker on jobs,you can get away with a lot less time on each window. I think the real difference will be seen on the next visits to jobs that have had it used on them,I found that the bristles are cleaner I hope it dosent have bleach in it lol. Mixed with water it looks like it has the same relation as oil on top of water
So you are already using it on your second visits even though its only been on sale for two weeks. ::)roll
i think sean you have to look at the spelling as in plural to make sense of that post,why are you so against vision? it seems like a one man war against this product? are you jealous that some guys have made a product that makes life easier or is it that it throws you out of your comfort zone?,i'm struggling to find an answer to be honest for your aggression and ignorance on this topic
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It does make you quicker on jobs,you can get away with a lot less time on each window. I think the real difference will be seen on the next visits to jobs that have had it used on them,I found that the bristles are cleaner I hope it dosent have bleach in it lol. Mixed with water it looks like it has the same relation as oil on top of water
So you are already using it on your second visits even though its only been on sale for two weeks. ::)roll
My eye sight does fail me at times but were does it state he is using vision on second visits
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i'm of the same opinion too oliver, ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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I have been using vision for 7 days and I think the stuff is fantastic, these guys who have developed the stuff need to be congratulated for helping to improve the quality of water fed pole window cleaning. Every improvement, no matter how small results in our customers receiving a better quality service. This is what we have found on using this additive:
1. The brush does glide better especially on leaded, is it still cleaning with the brush gliding better? yes of course it does as others have commented on how fast it removes bird/insect poo
2. The spots and marks left by insect poo (or whatever it is) are no longer a problem with using vison in your water. I have a mornings work in a rural area that is the worst part of my round in regards to dirty windows from insects etc. I have waited until I cleaned this area before writing my comments, we found that the insect marks that have been impossible to move with just pure water, have now been removed with ease. The customers frames/conservatories/windows/doors look so much better, its has deffinatley got some umph to it.
3. We have all probably been asked by the customer 'is it just water your cleaning with?, is there no soap?' and when you reply yes and explain the cleaning properties of pure water, you get a look that doesn't inspire you with confidence in that the customer believes what you have just told them. I think this product will help win over customers confidence in water fed pole window cleaning if they know you have and additive that helps give their windows the great results.
Is it faster ? - yes it removes insect marks and bird poo faster
Is it cost effective ? - too right it is, it has improved cleaning power and it costs under £20 and lasts for a good few months and more for most people,
Does it make more windows hydrophillic ? I think it does but I personally don't care about this as a major improvement.
For me the marks left by insects/birds that are removed with ease are enough to convince me to keep using the product, this product costs pence per day for giving our customers a better quality end result to their windows/frames etc.
Maybe the fact that there's a lot of moisture on the glass and in the air plus no baking sun would make bird muck easier to
remove at this time of the year.
The wet weather of late might also have something to do with it.
Sean you will have to be careful, JK999 will be along to clock you with his pole.
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Yes have noticed that Tadgh, every time somebody leaves negative or neutral feedback three or four cronies
try and drown it with super positive feedback followed by JK999 foaming at the mouth.
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Kempy & Jonny
Can you tell us more about this product please ?
http://jigsaw-innovations.co.uk/product/wholesale-quantities/
At the minute all we can really say is what's in the description box there on the site.
We are working on this as we speak and will be the next product to be released alongside vision, but Tailored more to the commercial market where employers have to deal with employees dosing there tanks etc.
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Yes have noticed that Tadgh, every time somebody leaves negative or neutral feedback three or four cronies
try and drown it with super positive feedback followed by JK999 foaming at the mouth.
Yes have noticed that Tadgh, every time somebody leaves positive feedback one cronie tries to drown it with super negative feedback followed by SeanK foaming at the mouth.
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End of the day we all like different products and bits of kit .
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Kempy & Jonny
Can you tell us more about this product please ?
http://jigsaw-innovations.co.uk/product/wholesale-quantities/
At the minute all we can really say is what's in the description box there on the site.
We are working on this as we speak and will be the next product to be released alongside vision, but Tailored more to the commercial market where employers have to deal with employees dosing there tanks etc.
Thanks jonny look forward to that :)
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Sorry, but I have to say it..............
If you're selling Green Vision I guess it's because it's environmentaly safe?
If so what does that make the original Vision?
Not having a go, just pointing out how it appears. I might have the wrong end of the stick.
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Dave , I think you would pull anything to pieces . Even fresh Air .
Have a good xmas
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No, seriously. Don't you see how it appears?
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Dave , ive got two young kids , family time I'm having this weekend . I don't worry what yourself or the few other persons think . The reviews say it all , we're getting repeated sales now which means the product is pleasing the users . Persons are buying their second bottles now so that's very good .
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What's that got to do with it ???
Can't you see the glaring mistake you've made? By inventing a green version you are suggesting that something is wrong with the original version ie. it may not be environmentally safe. Why not just sell the green anyway? You have inadvertently shot yourselves in the foot surely?
I'm glad your selling lots of bottles - you deserve it especially if you've all invested but be careful is all I'm saying.
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We're be fine Dave . It gives you something to moan about .
The vision and Eco were both on the website at the launch of the site .
If you haven't bought , and not even going to buy , why do you channel so much energy into making up Froth and posting so much drivel .
Go out for a pint ???
Chill out its xmas lol
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I'm on holiday now .
Will answer any phone-calls as I have a dozen times today from very happy users .
I'm on Ciu holiday until the new year
Lol
Have a good one everyone .
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What's that got to do with it ???
Can't you see the glaring mistake you've made? By inventing a green version you are suggesting that something is wrong with the original version ie. it may not be environmentally safe. Why not just sell the green anyway? You have inadvertently shot yourselves in the foot surely?
I'm glad your selling lots of bottles - you deserve it especially if you've all invested but be careful is all I'm saying.
Dave,
It's the same principle as having ecover soap. Why do some prefer ecover rather than fairy liquid? Or any Eco products in general?
Vision is perfectly safe in its diluted state, but in it's concentrated form you have to be careful (not to drink it or squirt it in your eyes etc) but the Eco version will be basically safe in all aspects.
As with many Eco products though, it doesn't perhaps have as much cleaning power to it as of yet, but it ticks the box of "Eco friendly" which some will prefer.
It's all about choice and compromise Dave.
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I don't care if it melts windows after 10 years. If it makes my job better ;D
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Dave , ive got two young kids , family time I'm having this weekend . I don't worry what yourself or the few other persons think . The reviews say it all , we're getting repeated sales now which means the product is pleasing the users . Persons are buying their second bottles now so that's very good .
But it last months you said. How are these people getting through months worth in just 2 weeks of it being on sale?
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Answer please owners of Vision. You are both on-line.
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Dave , ive got two young kids , family time I'm having this weekend . I don't worry what yourself or the few other persons think . The reviews say it all , we're getting repeated sales now which means the product is pleasing the users . Persons are buying their second bottles now so that's very good .
But it last months you said. How are these people getting through months worth in just 2 weeks of it being on sale?
In Kempys defense We have had a few customers order more to stock up in case we run short of supply again.
As we've said though it's just there for any who want to make use of it. Were not pushing this on people. :)
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Answer please owners of Vision. You are both on-line.
Yes officer. 👮
;D
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i have just ordered ten bottles in case they run out ;)
After all its Christmas ;D
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Dave , ive got two young kids , family time I'm having this weekend . I don't worry what yourself or the few other persons think . The reviews say it all , we're getting repeated sales now which means the product is pleasing the users . Persons are buying their second bottles now so that's very good .
But it last months you said. How are these people getting through months worth in just 2 weeks of it being on sale?
Bungle you just need to go back through a few posts on here and elsewhere to see how much of their story doesn't add
up.
They invented the product but its also been used by guys in Australia and they have been testing it from between one and eight
years depending on where you read it.
Not joking there's a list of contradictions as long as your arm.
Don't get me started on the so called I don't have anything to do with this product positive feedback guys who have been
using this product a lot longer than two weeks.
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sean,i'd be very intrested if you could provide qoutes on people that have been using this this for eight years-perhaps you could post those quotes if you please?, :)
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sean,i'd be very intrested if you could provide qoutes on people that have been using this this for eight years-perhaps you could post those quotes if you please?, :)
They aren't on this forum Kevin so you will have to hunt for them yourself, don't want to get banned.
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so,you said that people have been using this from between one and eight years-that is your quote and now when asked to provide the quotes you say they aren't on this website?so where are they?your going to have to provide links sean because i can't really see that some have been using this for eight years now as you claim ban or no ban
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Dave , ive got two young kids , family time I'm having this weekend . I don't worry what yourself or the few other persons think . The reviews say it all , we're getting repeated sales now which means the product is pleasing the users . Persons are buying their second bottles now so that's very good .
But it last months you said. How are these people getting through months worth in just 2 weeks of it being on sale?
Bungle you just need to go back through a few posts on here and elsewhere to see how much of their story doesn't add
up.
They invented the product but its also been used by guys in Australia and they have been testing it from between one and eight
years depending on where you read it.
Not joking there's a list of contradictions as long as your arm.
Don't get me started on the so called I don't have anything to do with this product positive feedback guys who have been
using this product a lot longer than two weeks.
So..............2 contradictions apparently. You got short arms? No wonder you need WFP. ;D
1) we've developed vision but someone in Australia is using it?
Maurice Richardson (echidna window cleaning) from Australia has been involved in developing this too. modern technology has advanced far enough to allow us to be able to have conversations with people in different countries via the internet. Would you Adam and Eve it?
2) the time frames we have been using vision.
We've been using pure water additives since 2010, but vision itself is only 12 months old. That's the only dates you will see on any posts we have made. I can't comment on anything you've seen from others if you won't give us details?
There have been many reviews from different users Sean. You just choose not to see them as they are. Do you honestly believe we would have people post fake reviews?
Your kind of stuck between a rock and a hard place because you have slated us so much (without actually trying vision) that you need to keep up the "it's a scam and doesn't work" story, even if vision does indeed have benefits.
Please let me know any other contradictions and I'll happily clear them up for you. :)
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Dave , ive got two young kids , family time I'm having this weekend . I don't worry what yourself or the few other persons think . The reviews say it all , we're getting repeated sales now which means the product is pleasing the users . Persons are buying their second bottles now so that's very good .
But it last months you said. How are these people getting through months worth in just 2 weeks of it being on sale?
Bungle you just need to go back through a few posts on here and elsewhere to see how much of their story doesn't add
up.
They invented the product but its also been used by guys in Australia and they have been testing it from between one and eight
years depending on where you read it.
Not joking there's a list of contradictions as long as your arm.
Don't get me started on the so called I don't have anything to do with this product positive feedback guys who have been
using this product a lot longer than two weeks.
So..............2 contradictions apparently. You got short arms? No wonder you need WFP. ;D
1) we've developed vision but someone in Australia is using it?
Maurice Richardson (echidna window cleaning) from Australia has been involved in developing this too. modern technology has advanced far enough to allow us to be able to have conversations with people in different countries via the internet. Would you Adam and Eve it?
2) the time frames we have been using vision.
We've been using pure water additives since 2010, but vision itself is only 12 months old. That's the only dates you will see on any posts we have made. I can't comment on anything you've seen from others if you won't give us details?
There have been many reviews from different users Sean. You just choose not to see them as they are. Do you honestly believe we would have people post fake reviews?
Your kind of stuck between a rock and a hard place because you have slated us so much (without actually trying vision) that you need to keep up the "it's a scam and doesn't work" story, even if vision does indeed have benefits.
Please let me know any other contradictions and I'll happily clear them up for you. :)
Who said anything about fake reviews ? What I have stated is there are guys that have been testing this product for you and reviewing it but maintain they have nothing to do with the product or yourselves.
These same guys seem to get very annoyed when somebody slates the product.
You keep on talking about these wonderful reviews but I haven't been able to find them, its just the same group on here
saying the same things elsewhere and others saying it doesn't do much but its cheap so will use it anyway.
But the thing is Jonny, Gold offered you a reasonable challenge which would have shut all us doubters up once and for all
but you turned him down stating that you don't give out free samples as it wouldn't be fair on other buyers.
Yet there's a guy on youtube who states that he was sent a free mini sample so I'm sure that's he's not the only one.
So there you go, take Gold up on his challenge and shut me and others up once and for all.
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so,you said that people have been using this from between one and eight years-that is your quote and now when asked to provide the quotes you say they aren't on this website?so where are they?your going to have to provide links sean because i can't really see that some have been using this for eight years now as you claim ban or no ban
Sorry Kevin I was wrong, the guy has been using additives in his water for eight years including Vision but hasn't been using
Vision for eight years.
I apologise for this mistake.
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The guy with the free sample has a video on youtube, tried to put the link up but it didn't work.
Its by Mark Munro.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIR_NZSCRzc
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Dave , ive got two young kids , family time I'm having this weekend . I don't worry what yourself or the few other persons think . The reviews say it all , we're getting repeated sales now which means the product is pleasing the users . Persons are buying their second bottles now so that's very good .
But it last months you said. How are these people getting through months worth in just 2 weeks of it being on sale?
Bungle you just need to go back through a few posts on here and elsewhere to see how much of their story doesn't add
up.
They invented the product but its also been used by guys in Australia and they have been testing it from between one and eight
years depending on where you read it.
Not joking there's a list of contradictions as long as your arm.
Don't get me started on the so called I don't have anything to do with this product positive feedback guys who have been
using this product a lot longer than two weeks.
So..............2 contradictions apparently. You got short arms? No wonder you need WFP. ;D
1) we've developed vision but someone in Australia is using it?
Maurice Richardson (echidna window cleaning) from Australia has been involved in developing this too. modern technology has advanced far enough to allow us to be able to have conversations with people in different countries via the internet. Would you Adam and Eve it?
2) the time frames we have been using vision.
We've been using pure water additives since 2010, but vision itself is only 12 months old. That's the only dates you will see on any posts we have made. I can't comment on anything you've seen from others if you won't give us details?
There have been many reviews from different users Sean. You just choose not to see them as they are. Do you honestly believe we would have people post fake reviews?
Your kind of stuck between a rock and a hard place because you have slated us so much (without actually trying vision) that you need to keep up the "it's a scam and doesn't work" story, even if vision does indeed have benefits.
Please let me know any other contradictions and I'll happily clear them up for you. :)
Who said anything about fake reviews ? What I have stated is there are guys that have been testing this product for you and reviewing it but maintain they have nothing to do with the product or yourselves.
These same guys seem to get very annoyed when somebody slates the product.
You keep on talking about these wonderful reviews but I haven't been able to find them, its just the same group on here
saying the same things elsewhere and others saying it doesn't do much but its cheap so will use it anyway.
But the thing is Jonny, Gold offered you a reasonable challenge which would have shut all us doubters up once and for all
but you turned him down stating that you don't give out free samples as it wouldn't be fair on other buyers.
Yet there's a guy on youtube who states that he was sent a free mini sample so I'm sure that's he's not the only one.
So there you go, take Gold up on his challenge and shut me and others up once and for all.
As you know, mark munro has a YouTube channel and also organises the trade show which we are hopefully going to be attending. So yes we sent mark a few weeks supply to test out and give us his thoughts.
What would be the point In sending Granville out a free bottle? It would make no difference as you would keep on slating it anyway even if gold liked it.
That EXACT test has already been done with Damien (pure h20 services) and his dad. His dad saw the benefits in a few days and gave it a good review and wants to keep using it, again this is one of the many reviews you just ignore so you see it would be pointless for me to take you up on your test.
The forum that we advertised this product on and released it, has had reviews from people all who love it and want to keep using. I'm guessing you don't go on that forum conveniently.
What i will offer is what we offer everyone. If you bought a bottle and within one months use you don't think it benefits you at all, send it back and I will refund you. All you will lose is the price of the postage. (About £8)
We really have nothing to prove with you Sean, and I have no need to "shut up the doubters" as you put it, as there will always be ones like yourselves, but what we certainly aren't going to do is send out free samples to all those who blindly criticise, that's not fair on other customers as I'm sure you can see and as I've explained before.
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People that have been using vision for more than two weeks have been testers off the product and only know these guys through forums . They asked people to volunteer to test the product on another forum but only picked out a few this wasn't this forum because of dk s like you if you don't want to use it shut your mouth seank
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Another one of Visions impartial reviewers or is he the factory guard dog. ;D
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Dave , ive got two young kids , family time I'm having this weekend . I don't worry what yourself or the few other persons think . The reviews say it all , we're getting repeated sales now which means the product is pleasing the users . Persons are buying their second bottles now so that's very good .
But it last months you said. How are these people getting through months worth in just 2 weeks of it being on sale?
Bungle you just need to go back through a few posts on here and elsewhere to see how much of their story doesn't add
up.
They invented the product but its also been used by guys in Australia and they have been testing it from between one and eight
years depending on where you read it.
Not joking there's a list of contradictions as long as your arm.
Don't get me started on the so called I don't have anything to do with this product positive feedback guys who have been
using this product a lot longer than two weeks.
So..............2 contradictions apparently. You got short arms? No wonder you need WFP. ;D
1) we've developed vision but someone in Australia is using it?
Maurice Richardson (echidna window cleaning) from Australia has been involved in developing this too. modern technology has advanced far enough to allow us to be able to have conversations with people in different countries via the internet. Would you Adam and Eve it?
2) the time frames we have been using vision.
We've been using pure water additives since 2010, but vision itself is only 12 months old. That's the only dates you will see on any posts we have made. I can't comment on anything you've seen from others if you won't give us details?
There have been many reviews from different users Sean. You just choose not to see them as they are. Do you honestly believe we would have people post fake reviews?
Your kind of stuck between a rock and a hard place because you have slated us so much (without actually trying vision) that you need to keep up the "it's a scam and doesn't work" story, even if vision does indeed have benefits.
Please let me know any other contradictions and I'll happily clear them up for you. :)
Who said anything about fake reviews ? What I have stated is there are guys that have been testing this product for you and reviewing it but maintain they have nothing to do with the product or yourselves.
These same guys seem to get very annoyed when somebody slates the product.
You keep on talking about these wonderful reviews but I haven't been able to find them, its just the same group on here
saying the same things elsewhere and others saying it doesn't do much but its cheap so will use it anyway.
But the thing is Jonny, Gold offered you a reasonable challenge which would have shut all us doubters up once and for all
but you turned him down stating that you don't give out free samples as it wouldn't be fair on other buyers.
Yet there's a guy on youtube who states that he was sent a free mini sample so I'm sure that's he's not the only one.
So there you go, take Gold up on his challenge and shut me and others up once and for all.
As you know, mark munro has a YouTube channel and also organises the trade show which we are hopefully going to be attending. So yes we sent mark a few weeks supply to test out and give us his thoughts.
What would be the point In sending Granville out a free bottle? It would make no difference as you would keep on slating it anyway even if gold liked it.
That EXACT test has already been done with Damien (pure h20 services) and his dad. His dad saw the benefits in a few days and gave it a good review and wants to keep using it, again this is one of the many reviews you just ignore so you see it would be pointless for me to take you up on your test.
The forum that we advertised this product on and released it, has had reviews from people all who love it and want to keep using. I'm guessing you don't go on that forum conveniently.
What i will offer is what we offer everyone. If you bought a bottle and within one months use you don't think it benefits you at all, send it back and I will refund you. All you will lose is the price of the postage. (About £8)
We really have nothing to prove with you Sean, and I have no need to "shut up the doubters" as you put it, as there will always be ones like yourselves, but what we certainly aren't going to do is send out free samples to all those who blindly criticise, that's not fair on other customers as I'm sure you can see and as I've explained before.
Firstly Gold hasn't blindly criticised this product infect he has said very little about it other than offer up the challenge.
Second point nobody is saying to send out a free bottle just the same small sample that you have sent to others.
Third point like mad dog jk999 has stated all you have done is pick your own jury, guys that you think would be more likely to
give it a good review.
There's no reason not to take gold up on his challenge other than the fear of not getting the review you would like.
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It's their business, they can run it how they like. Just as you run yours the way you choose.
Put a sock in it Sean. You're being a dick.
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I am getting bored of people slagging it off, when they havnt tried it. Whats the point in that?
I bought some, but don't start until next year. I will give a honest review but wont slate it until I try it. How stupid is that.
Free sample! its up to them. Personally, if I thought it was a good product. I would send samples out. Its up to them, end of.
Now can we read good or bad reviews and nothing else
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been using it a couple of weeks now and i havent noticed increase in speed, shiny windows, sheeting on hydrophobic glass. ive cleaned my own windows four times using it and not noticed any difference. if anybody has got vision, try it out on your own windows on a sunny day. wait til it dries, then have a close look!
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been using it a couple of weeks now and i havent noticed increase in speed, shiny windows, sheeting on hydrophobic glass. ive cleaned my own windows four times using it and not noticed any difference. if anybody has got vision, try it out on your own windows on a sunny day. wait til it dries, then have a close look!
Look at what? The bottle?
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been using it a couple of weeks now and i havent noticed increase in speed, shiny windows, sheeting on hydrophobic glass. ive cleaned my own windows four times using it and not noticed any difference. if anybody has got vision, try it out on your own windows on a sunny day. wait til it dries, then have a close look!
Send it back for a refund mate
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been using it a couple of weeks now and i havent noticed increase in speed, shiny windows, sheeting on hydrophobic glass. ive cleaned my own windows four times using it and not noticed any difference. if anybody has got vision, try it out on your own windows on a sunny day. wait til it dries, then have a close look!
Look at what? The bottle?
Again when anybody who has used it does give a review that's not liked then its followed by a sarcastic comment, he meant
look at the glass as you well know.
Don't see anybody telling these guys to put a sock in it.
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When I ordered mine I was very dubious and thought that with the dilution rate being so low it would be no good but I have got to say I really like the product it does make a difference and I will definitely be using it from now on, Sean how you can be so critical of a product you have not used it just makes you look very silly.
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been using it a couple of weeks now and i havent noticed increase in speed, shiny windows, sheeting on hydrophobic glass. ive cleaned my own windows four times using it and not noticed any difference. if anybody has got vision, try it out on your own windows on a sunny day. wait til it dries, then have a close look!
Look at what? The bottle?
Again when anybody who has used it does give a review that's not liked then its followed by a sarcastic comment, he meant
look at the glass as you well know.
Don't see anybody telling these guys to put a sock in it.
Did he?
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When I ordered mine I was very dubious and thought that with the dilution rate being so low it would be no good but I have got to say I really like the product it does make a difference and I will definitely be using it from now on, Sean how you can be so critical of a product you have not used it just makes you look very silly.
I think we all agree
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When I ordered mine I was very dubious and thought that with the dilution rate being so low it would be no good but I have got to say I really like the product it does make a difference and I will definitely be using it from now on, Sean how you can be so critical of a product you have not used it just makes you look very silly.
Trevor I had a insurance salesman try and sell me a pension plan a few years back, said for about twenty quid a week I could retire when I was sixty was 45 at the time.
I was totally critical of that even though I had never tried or had one, we all make judgements on products going by our
life experiences and knowledge of the jobs we do on a daily basis.
If I didn't clean windows and use wfp for a living then slating the product would be more than silly.
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His first post on CIU and it's about this product.
So how did he know to post on here?
You have to be a member to view the "has anyone tried this thread"
So basically it's all very fishy to me as he has signed up to post that thread.
Luckily the sun is out here. So I have cleaned some windows in the sun and will take some photos if I can from the side.
He said look closely? Yeah I am guessing the glass? What am I looking for?
Usually I am the secretive one.
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been using it a couple of weeks now and i havent noticed increase in speed, shiny windows, sheeting on hydrophobic glass. ive cleaned my own windows four times using it and not noticed any difference. if anybody has got vision, try it out on your own windows on a sunny day. wait til it dries, then have a close look!
Hi Sur ,And welcome to this forum and we look forward to hearing more from you in future Which area do you work in. Happy to see such honest review of Vision. Can you please give us your address so we can send you the fiver we send chaps so kind with there honest and open reviews. If you find it difficult to write something original please stick to the script on the website. This open and honest way you outline the benefits of this fabulous product has made it easy for me to spend my money on the Blurred Vision song popular some time back. Thanks, Slappy happy. Christmas
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When I ordered mine I was very dubious and thought that with the dilution rate being so low it would be no good but I have got to say I really like the product it does make a difference and I will definitely be using it from now on, Sean how you can be so critical of a product you have not used it just makes you look very silly.
Trevor I had a insurance salesman try and sell me a pension plan a few years back, said for about twenty quid a week I could retire when I was sixty was 45 at the time.
I was totally critical of that even though I had never tried or had one, we all make judgements on products going by our
life experiences and knowledge of the jobs we do on a daily basis.
If I didn't clean windows and use wfp for a living then slating the product would be more than silly.
Sean why did you change from traditional window cleaning to WFP surely that cost you more than £20 to try out but obviously you gave it a try because of other peoples reviews, if you where anything like me then the change to WFP did have its problems that took time to overcome but you soon realised its benefits
I have only gave my opinion of vision and whether you choose to listen to my opinion is in the end up to you but again I just cant understand how you can be so against a product without trying first.
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thanks for the welcome ;) yes it is my first post. any problem with that? just an honest review thats all. dont understand how people are getting instant results with the product.(im not) never mind, at least ive given it a go. :'( merry xmas to you all.
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How did you find out to post on here about the product?
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sorry. cant tell you, its a secret!
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When I ordered mine I was very dubious and thought that with the dilution rate being so low it would be no good but I have got to say I really like the product it does make a difference and I will definitely be using it from now on, Sean how you can be so critical of a product you have not used it just makes you look very silly.
Trevor I had a insurance salesman try and sell me a pension plan a few years back, said for about twenty quid a week I could retire when I was sixty was 45 at the time.
I was totally critical of that even though I had never tried or had one, we all make judgements on products going by our
life experiences and knowledge of the jobs we do on a daily basis.
If I didn't clean windows and use wfp for a living then slating the product would be more than silly.
Sean why did you change from traditional window cleaning to WFP surely that cost you more than £20 to try out but obviously you gave it a try because of other peoples reviews, if you where anything like me then the change to WFP did have its problems that took time to overcome but you soon realised its benefits
I have only gave my opinion of vision and whether you choose to listen to my opinion is in the end up to you but again I just cant understand how you can be so against a product without trying first.
Trevor I have a professionally fitted system that puts the water through the D.I. on demand, for me to
use Vision I would have to make changes to my system so it not just about the price of the product for me.
That's why I was trying to get a review from Gold or somebody that's definitely not connected to the product, look at the
reviews so far its either the best invention since the wheel or it doesn't make any difference.
It this moment in time my gut feeling tells me that this product is nothing more than a bubble maker but like you have said the
right reviews could change that.
The problem is which ones do you trust.
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FFS cant do with all this claw and dagger stuff. There must be more than the half dozen reviews I have read. I think it will make the 10 oclock new soon :D
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When I ordered mine I was very dubious and thought that with the dilution rate being so low it would be no good but I have got to say I really like the product it does make a difference and I will definitely be using it from now on, Sean how you can be so critical of a product you have not used it just makes you look very silly.
Trevor I had a insurance salesman try and sell me a pension plan a few years back, said for about twenty quid a week I could retire when I was sixty was 45 at the time.
I was totally critical of that even though I had never tried or had one, we all make judgements on products going by our
life experiences and knowledge of the jobs we do on a daily basis.
If I didn't clean windows and use wfp for a living then slating the product would be more than silly.
Sean why did you change from traditional window cleaning to WFP surely that cost you more than £20 to try out but obviously you gave it a try because of other peoples reviews, if you where anything like me then the change to WFP did have its problems that took time to overcome but you soon realised its benefits
I have only gave my opinion of vision and whether you choose to listen to my opinion is in the end up to you but again I just cant understand how you can be so against a product without trying first.
Trevor I have a professionally fitted system that puts the water through the D.I. on demand, for me to
use Vision I would have to make changes to my system so it not just about the price of the product for me.
That's why I was trying to get a review from Gold or somebody that's definitely not connected to the product, look at the
reviews so far its either the best invention since the wheel or it doesn't make any difference.
It this moment in time my gut feeling tells me that this product is nothing more than a bubble maker but like you have said the
right reviews could change that.
The problem is which ones do you trust.
My review, when I try it. :)
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Ive reviewed it on here. It wasn't glowing, it was just as I saw it. Niether here nor there.
Ours arrived today. Id say first off that having dosed it in the tank in the van that it wasnt an adequate amount. Having added it at 1ml/100 litres of pure and driving 5 miles before the first house I found that it created bubbles on the glass but I didnt feel that there was anything more on this occassion that it did, nothing particularly beneficial. We did a number of houses, some with phobic glass and some with phillic glass but I didnt notice anything particularly beneficial. I was giving it some thought though and as we rinse on full bore at about 3 litres a minute it would have to be running off the glass at a really high rate for it to improve this.
Im not sure if the bubbles on the glass is caused by a detergent/soap in the concentrate or are they just air bubbles. If this stuff works by breaking down the surface tension of water then they could quite easily be air bubbles and if so is that necessarily a good thing? I'll expand on that in a minute.
Anyway, i also tested the waters TDS after adding this stuff and it hadnt affected it at all.
I had told Darren, my equivalent of DTM, that something had been added to the water but not why and to see if he noticed a difference. Anyway, first thing he spotted were the bubbles on the glass, his comments were that it seemed to clean easier but he couldnt expand on that when I pushed him, probably not too concerned about it. At that stage I hadnt noticed anything regarding extra cleaning.
After lunch I added 1ml more, into what was about 200 litres of water left in the tank and there was a noticeable difference in the amount the brush slipped across the glass. Maybe we need a small amount more of the stuff to create a similiar effect, although I cant see how that is as R.O. - D.I. water is the same the country over.
Going back to one point I touched on; if the brush slips across the glass easier is that necessarily a good thing? Surely this could mean that the glass isnt cleaned adequately as there is insufficient cleaning done or you have to have more passes of the brush to create the same amount of friction and rub on the glass as you might otherwise.
Anyway, so far as Im concerned, the jury is still out.
I'll be using the rest of the bottle and hopefully by then will be able to make a more considered judgement. Im hoping to get some snail trails to deal with and see what happens with them, unfortunately didnt see any today.
Matt
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Well I started this thread with what I thought was a fairly simple general question.
I'm not sure if I've got an answer really, but those behind the product are only revealing a certain amount on here and I understand that, they are trying to protect their interests and Vision is still a new product. Of course no COSSH sheets and no ingredients displayed will open them up to some criticism which they will have to put up with I'm afraid.
I've been using it for a week now. It's too early to make a full and fair judgement on its value. When I first changed to WFP, after cleaning trad for 18 years, it took about 3 months before I really started to appreciate the benefits. I still do plenty of trad work too, and I know there are advantages in both methods, heading into 9th year WFP.
So far I have found it to be true that Vision does make the brush slide a little easier over the glass, that's it, so far. For such a small amount added it does create a very bubbly solution, this is taking me some getting used to because up until now in my experience with pure water bubbles potentially are a carrier of dust particles left on the glass. For that reason Vision is slowing me down at the moment because I keep waiting for the bubbles to disperse to see what's left on the glass. I don't know what effect long term it will have on anything it's simply trial and error as I have nothing more than a hunch about some of its ingredients. And this is a bit of an issue as clients with many properties, big businesses and £multi-million home owners will not like it if I tell them I'm trying out this new stuff in the water, it makes it cloudy and gooey but I don't have a clue what's in it, but the chaps on this internet social network For window cleaners are raving about it.
Having said all that I will keep it up and see how it goes.
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been using it a couple of weeks now and i havent noticed increase in speed, shiny windows, sheeting on hydrophobic glass. ive cleaned my own windows four times using it and not noticed any difference. if anybody has got vision, try it out on your own windows on a sunny day. wait til it dries, then have a close look!
Hi sur, can I ask what happens when it dries? What ratio have you been using it in?
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been using it a couple of weeks now and i havent noticed increase in speed, shiny windows, sheeting on hydrophobic glass. ive cleaned my own windows four times using it and not noticed any difference. if anybody has got vision, try it out on your own windows on a sunny day. wait til it dries, then have a close look!
Hi sur, can I ask what happens when it dries? What ratio have you been using it in?
Hi Gold person. I have noticed that I am having to rinse some windows more than usual because when the bubbles dry there are some dust particles as suspected.
I am using the recommended dilution 1ml to 100 litres. I have a 650l tank and I'm putting 7ml in, so after a week use there is a build up so now probably more like 10ml in there.
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PJ. You haven't noitced marks on UPVC clean off easier?
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PJ. You haven't noitced marks on UPVC clean off easier?
Nothing noteworthy but I will scrutinise that? I have a mixture of white painted wood frames and white pic on Monday so will report back.
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PJ. You haven't noitced marks on UPVC clean off easier?
Nothing noteworthy but I will scrutinise that? I have a mixture of white painted wood frames and white pic on Monday so will report back.
What vision was sold for I have and haven't noticed. Two big points for me where cleans on new build estates where miles easier. Cut though dirt/dust. Upvc marks (poo - leave stains)
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I always put more in than I should but it's only because I like to see it soapy . I did a bungalow this morning at the side off a field and motorway blowing a gale this morning and it dried spotless . But what difference does it make what I say I'm only kempy s guard dog 😁
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been using it a couple of weeks now and i havent noticed increase in speed, shiny windows, sheeting on hydrophobic glass. ive cleaned my own windows four times using it and not noticed any difference. if anybody has got vision, try it out on your own windows on a sunny day. wait til it dries, then have a close look!
Hi sur, can I ask what happens when it dries? What ratio have you been using it in?
Hi Gold person. I have noticed that I am having to rinse some windows more than usual because when the bubbles dry there are some dust particles as suspected.
I am using the recommended dilution 1ml to 100 litres. I have a 650l tank and I'm putting 7ml in, so after a week use there is a build up so now probably more like 10ml in there.
Pj,
If your water is still reading 000 then there will be absolutely no spotting or particles left on the glass. Could this be your working in windy conditions and dust is sticking? This will happen regardless of water quality.
You are the first person to say that they feel that this has caused spotting. Hopefully we can work out what's happening though.
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here you go chaps: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HwSJLO_cVs
An explanation of what Vision is probably doing if you search about on youtube under 'surface tension' there's a delightful video demonstrating how a detergent or soap breaks down surface tension of water when sprinkled with pepper.
If I find it I'll stick it up on here - amazing how little is needed.
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Makes perfect sense then. If vision is doing that, then it works.
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Here it is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7yanEapapM
So ....... I think this is what vision does. Some glass will be more obvious than others which might be why it works better for some and not others.
Once the surface tension has been reduced your probably chucking money down the drain by adding more - probably isn't needed.
Apparently soap doesn't work too well with hard water but detergent does. Pure water is soft anyway. We could all experiment with a tds meter and several bottles of detergent if we had nothing better to do - or just buy it ready made.
I think the website claims are fairly accurate (well apart from being tested worldwide maybe).
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Oh forgot to mention my tds at mo is 012
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When I ordered mine I was very dubious and thought that with the dilution rate being so low it would be no good but I have got to say I really like the product it does make a difference and I will definitely be using it from now on, Sean how you can be so critical of a product you have not used it just makes you look very silly.
Trevor I had a insurance salesman try and sell me a pension plan a few years back, said for about twenty quid a week I could retire when I was sixty was 45 at the time.
I was totally critical of that even though I had never tried or had one, we all make judgements on products going by our
life experiences and knowledge of the jobs we do on a daily basis.
If I didn't clean windows and use wfp for a living then slating the product would be more than silly.
Sean why did you change from traditional window cleaning to WFP surely that cost you more than £20 to try out but obviously you gave it a try because of other peoples reviews, if you where anything like me then the change to WFP did have its problems that took time to overcome but you soon realised its benefits
I have only gave my opinion of vision and whether you choose to listen to my opinion is in the end up to you but again I just cant understand how you can be so against a product without trying first.
Trevor I have a professionally fitted system that puts the water through the D.I. on demand, for me to
use Vision I would have to make changes to my system so it not just about the price of the product for me.
That's why I was trying to get a review from Gold or somebody that's definitely not connected to the product, look at the
reviews so far its either the best invention since the wheel or it doesn't make any difference.
It this moment in time my gut feeling tells me that this product is nothing more than a bubble maker but like you have said the
right reviews could change that.
The problem is which ones do you trust.
Bloody hell are you still rattling on ;D
you have no interest in the product but you still locked in at battling
against it.
Do you have a deep seated need to be right by anychance
if so take my advice and switch off....and fly free little birdy ;D
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Oh forgot to mention my tvs at mo is 012
Wrestle the remote control from the wife and switch over to 504 for the darts ;)
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Oh forgot to mention my tvs at mo is 012
Wrestle the remote control from the wife and switch over to 504 for the darts ;)
LOL ;D
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Just changed it lol 😆
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here you go chaps: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HwSJLO_cVs
An explanation of what Vision is probably doing if you search about on youtube under 'surface tension' there's a delightful video demonstrating how a detergent or soap breaks down surface tension of water when sprinkled with pepper.
If I find it I'll stick it up on here - amazing how little is needed.
Your spot on Dave. :)
Im not going to go into too much detail but......
Your right in what you say about the surface tension. In fact surface tension reducers are in pretty much every cleaning product out there. It's which ones do the best job for pure water additives which is the tricky part.
That's just a small part though. We've also found that when mixed wrongly, (along with the other things in vision) it can form a glue type mixture and turn into a solid mass. Obviously not something you want to be putting near any WFP equipment which would render pumps/hoses and jets ruined. Luckily we spotted this before we seriously damaged any equipment and stopped using those types of combinations.
I'm just trying to say it isn't a case of getting a surface tension reducer and putting it in your tank, and I really would not advise people to start doing that. We've learned from experience with this, and had trained chemists to call on for advise when we messed up in the early days.
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dave Willis, thanks for those videos.
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When I ordered mine I was very dubious and thought that with the dilution rate being so low it would be no good but I have got to say I really like the product it does make a difference and I will definitely be using it from now on, Sean how you can be so critical of a product you have not used it just makes you look very silly.
Trevor I had a insurance salesman try and sell me a pension plan a few years back, said for about twenty quid a week I could retire when I was sixty was 45 at the time.
I was totally critical of that even though I had never tried or had one, we all make judgements on products going by our
life experiences and knowledge of the jobs we do on a daily basis.
If I didn't clean windows and use wfp for a living then slating the product would be more than silly.
Sean why did you change from traditional window cleaning to WFP surely that cost you more than £20 to try out but obviously you gave it a try because of other peoples reviews, if you where anything like me then the change to WFP did have its problems that took time to overcome but you soon realised its benefits
I have only gave my opinion of vision and whether you choose to listen to my opinion is in the end up to you but again I just cant understand how you can be so against a product without trying first.
Trevor I have a professionally fitted system that puts the water through the D.I. on demand, for me to
use Vision I would have to make changes to my system so it not just about the price of the product for me.
That's why I was trying to get a review from Gold or somebody that's definitely not connected to the product, look at the
reviews so far its either the best invention since the wheel or it doesn't make any difference.
It this moment in time my gut feeling tells me that this product is nothing more than a bubble maker but like you have said the
right reviews could change that.
The problem is which ones do you trust.
Bloody hell are you still rattling on ;D
you have no interest in the product but you still locked in at battling
against it.
Do you have a deep seated need to be right by anychance
if so take my advice and switch off....and fly free little birdy ;D
Just bored Gary need to get a life. ;D
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sean k if you cant afford the £20 bucks to buy abootle and try would you like us shinners to have a whip around for you ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
i really do like people who have a opinion about stuff and never ever used it ::)roll ::)roll ::)roll ::)roll
now stop being a big wet girls blouse and buy a bottle ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
ffffffffffsssssssssssssssssss
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so,you said that people have been using this from between one and eight years-that is your quote and now when asked to provide the quotes you say they aren't on this website?so where are they?your going to have to provide links sean because i can't really see that some have been using this for eight years now as you claim ban or no ban
Sorry Kevin I was wrong, the guy has been using additives in his water for eight years including Vision but hasn't been using
Vision for eight years.
I apologise for this mistake.
so has he or not being using vision for eight years?your answer is not that clear?
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sean k if you cant afford the £20 bucks to buy abootle and try would you like us shinners to have a whip around for you ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
i really do like people who have a opinion about stuff and never ever used it ::)roll ::)roll ::)roll ::)roll
now stop being a big wet girls blouse and buy a bottle ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
ffffffffffsssssssssssssssssss
too busy earning that 300 bucks a day rich i think
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been using it a couple of weeks now and i havent noticed increase in speed, shiny windows, sheeting on hydrophobic glass. ive cleaned my own windows four times using it and not noticed any difference. if anybody has got vision, try it out on your own windows on a sunny day. wait til it dries, then have a close look!
Hi sur, can I ask what happens when it dries? What ratio have you been using it in?
Hi Gold person. I have noticed that I am having to rinse some windows more than usual because when the bubbles dry there are some dust particles as suspected.
I am using the recommended dilution 1ml to 100 litres. I have a 650l tank and I'm putting 7ml in, so after a week use there is a build up so now probably more like 10ml in there.
Pj,
If your water is still reading 000 then there will be absolutely no spotting or particles left on the glass. Could this be your working in windy conditions and dust is sticking? This will happen regardless of water quality.
You are the first person to say that they feel that this has caused spotting. Hopefully we can work out what's happening though.
Jonny,
Perhaps I didn't explain properly. Water 000 TDS. I didn't say I found spotting. What I have found is that with so many bubbles, dirt particles appear as some of the bubbles travel slowly down the glass and pop on the glass. It is down to technique I'm sure, but at the moment I'm slower than usual and using more water.
I'm not on the critics bandwagon this is just my experience so far after 4 days to be precise.
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No Kevin I don't accept that as a satisfactory explanation. I know what I'm doing with wfp, as I said earlier 18 years trad, 9th year wfp. Old dog new tricks...
Sorry.
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sorry pj,what did you mean by your comment?if you could expand on this?
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sorry pj,what did you mean by your comment?if you could expand on this?
I was replying to your comment that I am now cleaning the window more thoroughly than before so, dragging more dirt out. For some reason you've deleted that comment now.
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not me pj,i'm not admin so can't do any of that,others can though ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)
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But you can edit your own post.
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not me pj,i'm not admin so can't do any of that,others can though ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)
Clowns
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not me pj,i'm not admin so can't do any of that,others can though ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)
Clowns
If you have modified your post that I replied to and then deny it your product loses credibility... Why would I make it up?
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i did delete a post as my way of replying wasn't the easiest to explain,maybe it was that one kj? i aplolgise for that-ask your question/s again and i'll do my best to answer them for you if you would like
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this is getty silly, meerry xmas :D
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i did delete a post as my way of replying wasn't the easiest to explain,maybe it was that one kj? i aplolgise for that-ask your question/s again and i'll do my best to answer them for you if you would like
Well, good of you to clear that up.
I had no question, I am just gradually trying to share my experience using your product.
As the glass is rinsed the water is full of tiny bubbles, these run down the window slower than water obviously as water is heavier than air. You with me so far?
As the bubbles slowly run down they pop, they in themselves cause no spotting or marks but a few dirt specks contained within the bubbles remain on the glass. Unless of course I rinse again. Which slows the process down rather than speeds it up.
Maybe technique, I will try again next week.
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got you pj,and i am sorry about deleting a post-was just worded wrongley i felt,are you using a gardiners brush by any chance?(just trying to narrow down some things by my own experiences thats all)
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After 2 days of use the amount of bubbles for me is an issue to a degree as on problem windows located near a flat porch roof which has deposited tiny specks of dirt on the glass .
I can't see clearly until the bubbles pop whether or not dirt is left on the glass so a double rinse has been needed , I will try adding vision every other day rather than each day of work .
Greater viscosity of the water could I worry cause issues with water freezing on glass in lower temps , Only used for 2 days so jury is still out it may take a few weeks to reach a more informed conclusion .
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Well to be absolutely correct I use 4 different brushes. Bentley (would you believe!) , 3 varieties of Gardiners, Vikan, and my original Ionics.
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Oh and all monofilament except the flocked vikan.
I know it's down to the bubbles. I Will give it a fair go though.
I only started this thread as I read that you wanted honest feedback.
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To those that want to slate Vision without trying it remember the saying " DONT KNOCK IT TIL YOUV'E TRIED IT "
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I'm trying it and I'm not knocking it?
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Well I have tried it and I have to say is I love it and I will be buying it in bulk. Flow is smoother, cuts through crud better. rinsing seems better and on completion the glass shines brighter.
Only downside is the current dispenser is more than a bit Pony ! Broke straight away. But Im using a 10mm syringe to overcome it while the good folks at JigSaw send me a replacement dispenser pump. And on that I have to say I like their customer service attitude. One email , replied quickly and offending part is on its way...
It works for me and thats all I need to say
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We're lookingi into various bottles and tops . Maybe a screw cap and 13cm Syringe .
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I'm not sure how people can claim with Vision that they cut through the dirt easier. Regular cleans are a piece of cake regardless. You don't need it to be any easier.
I assume what they really mean is 'the brush glides over the glass a lot easier with Vision which makes me THINK it's cutting the dirt off easier, when it actual fact it isn't at all as the amount of dirt on this glass is minimal for a WFP setup on a regular clean'.
A couple of brush strokes without Vision is fine to clean glass, you're hardly going to cut through grime any easier than that.
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Just realised I missed a customer last week. He lives down the rd from me and not near any other customers. I just do it when passing.
Any way. I have a 250 ltr tank. It was about 3rd full. SO I popped a squirt in. I think it was a squirt, could have been a squirt and a bit as I wasn't sure how much pressure to use on plunger. drives down street and gave the van a good shake to mix it in.
Started cleaning. Nothing new, no bubbles. Went round back of house and BUBBLES! it was like a bubble bath lol. It was a tad more slippery...I think. It was hydrophobic glass and it didn't make it less phobic.I would say worse.
The main problem was how thick the water was. Its gloopy/sticky. I turned the pump up a bit before I started. Hated rinsing with it. Took me twice as long. Left bubbles in hope it was ok. Customer is spot on, so wont get a complaint anyway.
Next time I will turn pump up to max. I use fan nozzles which wont help with bubbles. My main gripe is how thick it is, making it slow at rinsing.
Next year ill give it a better test
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I'm not sure how people can claim with Vision that they cut through the dirt easier. Regular cleans are a piece of cake regardless. You don't need it to be any easier.
I assume what they really mean is 'the brush glides over the glass a lot easier with Vision which makes me THINK it's cutting the dirt off easier, when it actual fact it isn't at all as the amount of dirt on this glass is minimal for a WFP setup on a regular clean'.
A couple of brush strokes without Vision is fine to clean glass, you're hardly going to cut through grime any easier than that.
I actually think that new resin cleans better because every time I change mine bird muck and other things seem to melt on
the glass.
I know deep down its doesn't but I still see it, so I can understand why some people would think its making their cleans easier.
Mark Munro gives a fairly good review about the product on youtube and explains why some might think that's it removing
bird muck easier at this time of the year.
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Just filled the tank full to brim so more than 650 litres plus 100 litres in containers added 7 ml of Vision. Fairly big day tomorrow, mix of white painted woodwork frames and white Upvc windows.
I shall be watching very closely what I do and the results. I have been cleaning all these windows every 6 weeks for 7 years, I know them all very well.
I will post results...
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Just filled the tank full to brim so more than 650 litres plus 100 litres in containers added 7 ml of Vision. Fairly big day tomorrow, mix of white painted woodwork frames and white Upvc windows.
I shall be watching very closely what I do and the results. I have been cleaning all these windows every 6 weeks for 7 years, I know them all very well.
I will post results...
Tapping fingers PJ, tapping fingers.
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Just filled the tank full to brim so more than 650 litres plus 100 litres in containers added 7 ml of Vision. Fairly big day tomorrow, mix of white painted woodwork frames and white Upvc windows.
I shall be watching very closely what I do and the results. I have been cleaning all these windows every 6 weeks for 7 years, I know them all very well.
I will post results...
Tapping fingers PJ, tapping fingers.
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Just filled the tank full to brim so more than 650 litres plus 100 litres in containers added 7 ml of Vision. Fairly big day tomorrow, mix of white painted woodwork frames and white Upvc windows.
I shall be watching very closely what I do and the results. I have been cleaning all these windows every 6 weeks for 7 years, I know them all very well.
I will post results...
Tapping fingers PJ, tapping fingers.
You will notice I started a new Thread?