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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Pure Shine on December 12, 2014, 05:31:48 pm
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Well I've been cleaning windows a few years now and thought it was time to push the boat out and bring in some more dollar lol .I hate canvassing so I hired a local company for 10 days .3 guys I thought they would do ok but not huge amounts .how wrong was I lmao so far in 4 days they have me 80 new jobs to start next week .happy days excellent company to do business with .daily updates and areas I chose full window cleaner pro list with all contact details etc cheers guys .
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80 in 4 days is good going. A nice dmas present for you that.
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How did you find out about these mate? cant see any info on the net...
Also how much are they charging you
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78 of them are xmas one offs ;D ;D ;D ;D
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78 of them are xmas one offs ;D ;D ;D ;D
;D
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sounds too good to be true
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So, about 6-7 jobs per man day. Sounds a reasonable return. How much of that canvassing was done during the daytime please - if you know? I ask because daytime canvassing was one of the first things I stopped doing due to poor returns (relatively few people in) - but it always picked up from just after the school run time onwards into the evening.
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78 Christmas cleans your having a laugh more like 79 lol
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Xmas 1 offs are more a myth than reality i find.
Yea we get them but not every new customer signed up in december will be wanting just a 1 off xmas clean. Last year and year before december was my best months gor gaining new work with xmas helping as they had there family coming ng tound etc so kicked them up the bum to get a window cleaner for there property.
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Xmas 1 offs are more a myth than reality i find.
Really? I've had 2 phone me this morning wanting a regular window cleaner but needing done before Jeesus's birthday. When I laughed and said I can't do them till January they said not to bother.
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I never advertised or leaflet so wouldnt know with the one's coming from phonecalls but from canvassed ones from previous experiance i didnt find it a problem.
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Xmas 1 offs are more a myth than reality i find.
Really? I've had 2 phone me this morning wanting a regular window cleaner but needing done before Jeesus's birthday. When I laughed and said I can't do them till January they said not to bother.
Had one the other week wanting a regular clean December and June and then December again ::)roll .... I priced it accordingly but still sitting by phone waiting for it to ring
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They been out again today and another 18 and there out again all week next week .There charging x 3 I'm hoping for 1800 per month in total .I'm aware a few may fall by the way but that's more usually my choice lol .
Company details are www.wildfireml.co.uk
Phone 07824115997 guys name is chris
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X3 and your bigging them up. im guessing you live right by where they live??
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Sent them an email. Squat back lol
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I live in Eastbourne and to be honest some companies want hotel cost some want petrol this is x 3 and for the time I would spend covering the area they have covered 3 blokes 5 and a half days that would cost me almost 2500 in lost money in time off so looking at it like that it's not to bad
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And let's be honest some of those guys on here selling work are on drugs wanting anything from 6 x the value up to 10 x the value so it's the cheaper option in that respect
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I was over in eastbourne yesturday cleaning the bmi hospital.my god what a hole the high street is seaside road i think it was called.
X3 is a lot for canvassed work, in fact no canvassing team charges that much.
£1000 of work at x2 is £2000
£1000 of work at x3 is £3000
So a big difference why would you use them and not use a different company and get more bang for your buck, i have never heard of them before, im guessing they will end up on ciu within a day or 2.
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I can sort you canvassers for x2 with a 2 clean guarantee.
Or 1.5 with no guarantee.
X3 you are being mugged of or you are trying to mug others off to pay 3 cleans.
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Seaside road yes needs pulling down lol . I tried to get canvasers to come to Eastbourne before and it was the whole hotel costs and travel etc so was none the better off
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Each to there own I'm happy with what I'm getting and no one needs to take my advice they can pay 6 time the price for a round full of all the poop and crap payers that someone else don't want any more
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Yes wasnt a nice place, i always assumed eastbourne to be a nice area with loads of old happy people but all i saw was alcoholics, foreigners, single teen mums etc.
Everyone was rude.
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Lol yes it's one of those towns ukip would do well in lol
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They been out again today and another 18 and there out again all week next week .There charging x 3 I'm hoping for 1800 per month in total .I'm aware a few may fall by the way but that's more usually my choice lol .
Company details are www.wildfireml.co.uk
Phone 07824115997 guys name is chris
are you getting garantess for how many cleans the customers will stay for? will they replace to ones that don't stick?
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Looked at site before. 3x clean and the only guarantee is they will top up any cancellations next time you use them! ???
sp pay 3000 for 1000 of work, lose a couple of hundred say and be left with 800 only topping back up if you use them again?
or use a different canvasser who charges 2x and covers cancellations
Seems expensive, but uf youve money to burn...
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This is a joke right!
You're knocking people trying to sell established rounds for 6x the monthly yet you're prepared to buy uncleaned work for 3x, so in reality you're spending 4x the cleaning time as the 1st clean or 2 will take longer.
Chances are if you're buying an established round from a legitimate seller them you should experience no drop offs at all. Your x3 work is liable to drop at least 20% after the first clean or 2.
I'd rather buy a well established round than 3x canvassed, but saying that I've never done either.
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I've tried various methods and they all have there pit falls and if people don't want to use them it's up to them I have used them before and I'm happy to use them again and yes I guess if I'm happy with Wat I'm getting it don't matter. It's a bit like the window cleaner knocking your work and offer to do it for 5 less than your price does it mean he's a rubbish shiner or are u just expensive ??
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This is a joke right!
You're knocking people trying to sell established rounds for 6x the monthly yet you're prepared to buy uncleaned work for 3x, so in reality you're spending 4x the cleaning time as the 1st clean or 2 will take longer.
Chances are if you're buying an established round from a legitimate seller them you should experience no drop offs at all. Your x3 work is liable to drop at least 20% after the first clean or 2.
I'd rather buy a well established round than 3x canvassed, but saying that I've never done either.
That's what I was thinking. Less chance of loosing customers buying a round.
What way did you do it then? If you didn't buy and didnt rep?
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January was the time to hire them.
And you need canvassers 2 weeks before xmas yet have been cleaning "a few years now"
They are fantastic blah blah blah -there is not such a thing existing in window cleaning canvassing.
Mates down pub or relatives?
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Duncan I just mass leafleted initially, which got me going.
PureShine, if you're happy doing what you're doing that all is good. I just wanted to point out that 6x purchase price for an established round is peanuts compared to 3x on canvassed work.
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X3 is too much for canvassed work :o
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Im gonna be setting up a small team soon to hire out to other window cleaners in the new year, going to be x1.5 cleans with no guarantee or x2 cleans for a 2 clean guarantee, wont be replacing any work just the cash outlay for any dropouts.
Will be doing it as planned canvassing hits and will take 2 weeks for every £500 of work gained as will be making sure its all fine tuned work and ready to go on the desired start date/dates with minimal trouble customers.
Its a couple of girls that will be canvassing, my sister and another i have been using for 3 years on and off building me up who realy have great selling techniques and of course me myself. Will be hitting 70 mile radious from central london.
Will only be taking on guys who want to grow at a steady pace with regular 3/6 month interval canvass campaigns so i can get a sold board structure in place so will get better and better results the more we do for you.
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So any way each to there own it works for me and clearly we all have ideas about what works for us if u can get it cheaper else were that's awesome news and if u prefer to buy an established that's great to .It was only a post to say how awesome it was to have such a great result and I'm fully aware of customers dropping out and blah blah blah but to be honest it's 1 day a week for 12 weeks that I didn't have any work for to recoup the money so in the long run even if 20% drop of in 6 months I've covered my money a bit like times 6 an established round but thanks for all your enthusiasm about growing my round despite a little extra cost at my expense I'm well happy means I can employ my guy 5 days a week and I earn more money .
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Interesting thread. Looks like some new boys, just set up last month.
If you read between the lines on their refund policy they charge 1x for one offs which sort of defeats the purpose of having a refund policy and that is only if you take them on for further campaigns. If you don't take them on for further campaigns you pay 3x for any that turn out to be one offs. His only guarantee is to phone them to try to get them back on.
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Ive had these boys on my radar for a while now, half decent website to be fair. As always Ill await feedback with baited breath
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80 jobs in 3 days is a good result.... but 3 x times the first clean is a bit OTT
in reality it should be 2 times, but if that works for you then all is fine
personally I would never pay more than 2 times for a canvasser
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Kapri ;)
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Why not employ someone to canvass from 4pm to 7pm five days a week. You could pay £7.50 ph and offer 50% of first clean.
That would cost you about £30 a day plus any bonuses and if you get too much work sell it to other guys in the area.
Of course the biggest problem is finding someone with all the right attributes including reliability.
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80 jobs in 3 days is a good result.... but 3 x times the first clean is a bit OTT
in reality it should be 2 times, but if that works for you then all is fine
personally I would never pay more than 2 times for a canvasser
Depends on the work.
Of one canvasser gets the job at a tenner and you pay 2x that's fine.
But if another can get the same job for £15, it's worth paying 3x.
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until you lose that 15 job to the other window cleaner after a month who knocks on the door charging a tenner
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until you lose that 15 job to the other window cleaner after a month who knocks on the door charging a tenner
I don't have my customers based on price.
I make a point of saying to almost all new ones that I won't be cheapest.
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Why not employ someone to canvass from 4pm to 7pm five days a week. You could pay £7.50 ph and offer 50% of first clean.
That would cost you about £30 a day plus any bonuses and if you get too much work sell it to other guys in the area.
Of course the biggest problem is finding someone with all the right attributes including reliability.
Half the problem with taking on a newbie is you have to hold their hand for at least 2 weeks, maybe investing 20-40 hours a week on training, then by about week 3 youve either got a half decent person or theyve fallen of the face of the planet. The average life span for a canvasser is about 21 days across the board in all sales industries. Personally I would never pay a canvasser an hourly rate if their working un supervised, What youve said in principal is pretty on the money but factor in the cost of your time and it ends up not great
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Thought you'd packed up whizzfizz ????
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Why not employ someone to canvass from 4pm to 7pm five days a week. You could pay £7.50 ph and offer 50% of first clean.
That would cost you about £30 a day plus any bonuses and if you get too much work sell it to other guys in the area.
Of course the biggest problem is finding someone with all the right attributes including reliability.
Half the problem with taking on a newbie is you have to hold their hand for at least 2 weeks, maybe investing 20-40 hours a week on training, then by about week 3 youve either got a half decent person or theyve fallen of the face of the planet. The average life span for a canvasser is about 21 days across the board in all sales industries. Personally I would never pay a canvasser an hourly rate if their working un supervised, What youve said in principal is pretty on the money but factor in the cost of your time and it ends up not great
Again it`s finding the right person. I`ve always told employees in the past that do a good job they`ll be looked after but p me about and they`re down the road. It will involve a lot of time at the start and will take some checking up on. I keep a log of houses knocked and the results so can spot check quite easily. Even if you have to spend half the time checking that`s half of the time you`d spend doing it yourself.
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Its a double edge sword taking people on, No no GavB I'm still about ;D , had a major facebook meltdown they decided my account was a business and not an actual person so forced it into a poxy useless page. Ive pulled alot of my adverts also as fully booked until Jan 2016. Since 1st Jan this year until now Ive had over 30 fresh enquirees from cleaners. So pretty much just getting my head down and focusing on speeding thru it add in Ive had 5 new canvassers start. I dont get time to breathe at the moment so busy :'(
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We have used wildfire recently. Their work is first class. Much higher standard than anything we have come across before.
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Some of my customers said they get window cleaning canvasers knocking all the time drives them nuts
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I can sort you canvassers for x2 with a 2 clean guarantee.
Or 1.5 with no guarantee.
X3 you are being mugged of or you are trying to mug others off to pay 3 cleans.
I have heard you are not that good as you claim Mick.
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Well all targets have been hit and cancelations replaced for everyone i canvass for so not sure where you get that from unless its the wierd guy from hove who wont answere his phone to me who has the hump coz i didnt canvass impossible mansions for him?
All i have is repeat customers and i have no room to take any others on so i cant be doing that bad at all can i. 😎
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I can sort you canvassers for x2 with a 2 clean guarantee.
Or 1.5 with no guarantee.
X3 you are being mugged of or you are trying to mug others off to pay 3 cleans.
I have heard you are not that good as you claim Mick
Don't know why you think that about mick and his team,as I've used them,and can only give positive feed back the work canvassed was good,well priced,and not had one cancel to date.
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We have used wildfire recently. Their work is first class. Much higher standard than anything we have come across before.
Glad your pleased James see you in April not long now
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where are these based ?? may give them a go
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We have used wildfire twice now, the first time was just last month £1008 of 4 weekly work, with a few more to come on next month. Second time out, Wildfire pulled me just over £1000. We have just done the second cleans and lost 4 jobs out of 59 and im sure another few will cancel on or before the third but we didnt have agro with a single job, we turned up and cleaned everything. Wildfire primed the custy up for bank transfer and within 4 days 80% of the ones that didnt pay cash had paid!!!
yes they are more money than the other guys on here, it works out times 2.7 but you do the first clean before your billed for the work!! so if theres a problem it would be dealt with before you hand over a penny!! The best thing is there prices are spot on and are 30% more than what ive got on my books but to be honest ive brought a few rounds over the years and every round has had decent ish and really crap prices, they acctually got an old custy back on for £8 more than i was charging her i was charging her £12 and dropped her as the price was well under, and the boys got her on for a score, I will never buy a round again sod paying x6+ im more than happy to pay 2.7 times for the jobs especially when im cleaning them first and the jobs are all booked in and they dont book bad accsess or any head ache jobs either.
Ive had a canvassing company stitch me up before i paid them a lump of money up front and only 25% if that stuck, but i just got names and numbers and im not the best on the phone to be fair but you do get what you pay for, the cherry on top is ive had £250 woth of extra jobs gutter clearence and conservatory roofs on the first lot and on the second lot ive just priced a driveway clean and seal driveway job for £1700.
I dont mind sharing them as ive booked them in every five weeks for the next six months not for so much work just £500 a time so i can cope with the growth, im van hunting now lol
Ive just worked out the job averages for both lots of work
£16.94 first lot
£18.32 second lot
Wildfire Marketing are totally opposite to other canvassers I have used before, im sure all the "you mug"comments will follow but im more than happy with an extra 20 odd grand a year on my round and the phone is constantly going from jobs they priced up but not booked on the day they canvassed so really it swings on roundabouts and im not looking for the cheapest i want the best for me
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We have used wildfire twice now, the first time was just last month £1008 of 4 weekly work, with a few more to come on next month. Second time out, Wildfire pulled me just over £1000. We have just done the second cleans and lost 4 jobs out of 59 and im sure another few will cancel on or before the third but we didnt have agro with a single job, we turned up and cleaned everything. Wildfire primed the custy up for bank transfer and within 4 days 80% of the ones that didnt pay cash had paid!!!
yes they are more money than the other guys on here, it works out times 2.7 but you do the first clean before your billed for the work!! so if theres a problem it would be dealt with before you hand over a penny!! The best thing is there prices are spot on and are 30% more than what ive got on my books but to be honest ive brought a few rounds over the years and every round has had decent ish and really crap prices, they acctually got an old custy back on for £8 more than i was charging her i was charging her £12 and dropped her as the price was well under, and the boys got her on for a score, I will never buy a round again sod paying x6+ im more than happy to pay 2.7 times for the jobs especially when im cleaning them first and the jobs are all booked in and they dont book bad accsess or any head ache jobs either.
Ive had a canvassing company stitch me up before i paid them a lump of money up front and only 25% if that stuck, but i just got names and numbers and im not the best on the phone to be fair but you do get what you pay for, the cherry on top is ive had £250 woth of extra jobs gutter clearence and conservatory roofs on the first lot and on the second lot ive just priced a driveway clean and seal driveway job for £1700.
I dont mind sharing them as ive booked them in every five weeks for the next six months not for so much work just £500 a time so i can cope with the growth, im van hunting now lol
Ive just worked out the job averages for both lots of work
£16.94 first lot
£18.32 second lot
Wildfire Marketing are totally opposite to other canvassers I have used before, im sure all the "you mug"comments will follow but im more than happy with an extra 20 odd grand a year on my round and the phone is constantly going from jobs they priced up but not booked on the day they canvassed so really it swings on roundabouts and im not looking for the cheapest i want the best for me
I would love to have a chat with you about these guys drop us a mail www.bigredmonkey.co.uk
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Yes and here I am again as I watch for the silence of those who knocked these guys and here we are and there doing just fine . Had them out again myself recently and pulled me some more work and again today for more work next week . Yes it's x 3 but there worth it . Only lost 150 pounds worth of work dropped off out of 1300 they got me in December which he's replaced . Cheers chris and the team at wild fire . Also great idea using the new cleaner planner set up makes it so much easier .
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We have used wildfire recently. Their work is first class. Much higher standard than anything we have come across before.
Glad your pleased James see you in April not long now
oh look another happy customer .These guys are game changers if u want proper canvassing with great results try them u won't be disappointed
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So has anyone else used this canvasser lately? Any good feedback?
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Yes and here I am again as I watch for the silence of those who knocked these guys and here we are and there doing just fine . Had them out again myself recently and pulled me some more work and again today for more work next week . Yes it's x 3 but there worth it . Only lost 150 pounds worth of work dropped off out of 1300 they got me in December which he's replaced . Cheers chris and the team at wild fire . Also great idea using the new cleaner planner set up makes it so much easier .
Pure Shine...
Anyone would think that you are Wildfire...
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