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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: tlwcs on December 10, 2014, 04:22:06 pm
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Seem to be in stock from aqua dapter, thoughts?
http://aqua-dapter.co.uk/product/ex-ceed-wfp-35ft-carbon-aqua-dapter/
Tony
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I don't think anyone on here's bought one to give there opinion but I'd sooner spend my money at gardiners for customer service alone..
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Hi Guys,
This is a customer who bought a 30ft carbon pole today. ;)
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1418240826_2014-12-10 12.48.59.jpg)
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Its the tubeless bit thats interesting although the only vid I can find is on you tube and doesn't give much away.
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He looks like you ;D
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Hi,
He let us video him today.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlyPB3_VJbI
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First display going to a Devonshire outlet!
Advert removed - please contact admin
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been waiting for these, i really like the look of them and being tubeless is a really good idea, keeps the van a lot tidier,
prices look pretty good as well.
think ill wait a bit though for some user reviews and some longevity reports with those connectors
tony
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Hi Tony,
The connectors last up to 4 x longer, because they are concealed.
Steven.
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Hi Tony,
The connectors last up to 4 x longer, because they are concealed.
Steven.
Is it possible to convert Gardiner poles to tubeless then?
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Looks good.
I'd be interested to find out how long they last?
Will the poles start leaking after a few months?
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Looking at how these work, they are a lot more complicated than i first thought. So doubtful on conversion. Don't really fancy changing every pole! The idea is good tho!
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What's a vehical? ???
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vehicle ;)
tony
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Does anybody know, or would anyone like to guess, just how the telescopic natural of a pole lends itself to maintaining a continually functioning 5 - 6mm id feed tube to allow water to reach the brush head.
Wouldn't the extra material needed to construct such a internal tube make for a much heavier pole, or is that weight negated by the lack of pole hose?
Nick
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Yes you could convert a gardiners pole, in fact any pole could be done this way, question is, would you want to?
Personally don't want to disconnect the pole hose after every job, or have an extra section of pole hose connected between the pole and microbore, or heavier microbore running up the inside of the pole - assuming I fully understand how this gadget works!
Ps any chance you could resize the photo at that size it's a bit off putting
Darran
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Hi Tony,
The connectors last up to 4 x longer, because they are concealed.
Steven.
hi steve...thanks for reply
when for whatever reason the ejection sleeve and connector that`s inside the pole need to be changed, is it just a case of disconnecting the hose from the brush end to gain access to the inner connector , or do you have to purchase pole hose complete with connector?
i don`t see them listed on your site?
tony
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Hi Tony,
The Connector inside can be changed very easily, but will not need to be, as it is stainless steel and never sees daylight!
Steven.
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What's a vehical? ???
Its a good job it was a sample, being printed tomorrow, with no errors ;)
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When i first read about these I decided to have a go at doing the same with my supermax 40.
The number one section was removed and the pole hose cut so it only fed up inside that section to the brush.
I fitted an easy snap male connector to the end held rigidly in place with expanding foam in the last couple of inches of the pole capped and sealed with polymorph https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhVuc6RNyaw so that the male connector sat just proud of the end of the pole section.
Female connection on streamline lite 5 hose is now removable ( or can be left connected to pole and reel if I wish ) the hole in the base section end cap has to be cut slightly larger to allow the female fitting to go up inside the pole when extending.
I now have a very easily maintained and versatile pole that can easily have sections removed or added very quickly, in fact I only carry the one supermax 40 pole on my van now. I finally found a way to buy just the one pole to cover all my work ( no need for a 40, 25 and 18 as a sole trader, I can only use one pole at a time anyway so why buy 3 ?)
Have used this for 6 months and not had to change either fitting, the female connector never gets dragged and when in use even slightly extended by an inch is protected from damage even if I leave it connected. ;)
I maybe wrong but I think what I've descibed as having done above is the same principle.
I think this is a very innovative idea, the only reason I'm not buying one now is because there is so much life left in my supermax and so without being able to source the relative parts and convert my gardiners pole at the time decided to diy it
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Looks a good idea no more dirt inside pole , pole should wear less.
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Hi gordon,
Thanks for clarifying the longevity of the fittings.
As regards taking off sections and replacing is simple hassle free, without the need to thread hose.
The customers van as you can see here is tidy, it don't have hose hanging off the sides of the van, it now being on the hose reel.
Has regards quality of our poles, we believe is next to non, and would like to choose one of clean it up forum members to free trial our pole, Feel free to email us at exceedinnovation@gmail.com.
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1418239939_2014-12-10 13.09.28.jpg)
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Hi gordon,
Thanks for clarifying the longevity of the fittings.
As regards taking off sections and replacing is simple hassle free, without the need to thread hose.
The customers van as you can see here is tidy, it don't have hose hanging off the sides of the van, it now being on the hose reel.
Has regards quality of our poles, we believe is next to non, and would like to choose one of clean it up forum members to free trial our pole, Feel free to email us at exceedinnovation@gmail.com.
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1418239939_2014-12-10 13.09.28.jpg)
Fantastic idea, well done.
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I think it's a great idea that u can just disconnect when you finished and put the pole away without sorting all the pole hose hanging out and in theory just reel it all back in with a cloth but we all know how hose likes to catch anything it can lol!
A couple of things for me though is I think it could still pull dirt in as it still pulls the hose up inside the pole as you extend it as you have to pull that hose out of the reel and towards your working area? And secondly I like an inline tap and with this you'd have to have the tap so I'd be scraping this along the ground as I reel it in rather than separately role the pole hose in and carry that back to van?
I'm definitely going to wait for more reviews on these poles as I think it's a great idea and I may even buy one of they're conversion kits for my slx but don't fancy hacking a brand new pole just yet lol
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Hi gordon,
Thanks for clarifying the longevity of the fittings.
As regards taking off sections and replacing is simple hassle free, without the need to thread hose.
The customers van as you can see here is tidy, it don't have hose hanging off the sides of the van, it now being on the hose reel.
Has regards quality of our poles, we believe is next to non, and would like to choose one of clean it up forum members to free trial our pole, Feel free to email us at exceedinnovation@gmail.com.
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1418239939_2014-12-10 13.09.28.jpg)
Hi Steven, just tried to send you email, but address does not seem to work for me.
I can be contacted on gleamteam@virginmedia.com
Regards
Simon
Hi Simon,
Try this exceedinnovation@gmail.com
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Thank you steven
e mail sent
Simon
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I think it's a great idea that u can just disconnect when you finished and put the pole away without sorting all the pole hose hanging out and in theory just reel it all back in with a cloth but we all know how hose likes to catch anything it can lol!
A couple of things for me though is I think it could still pull dirt in as it still pulls the hose up inside the pole as you extend it as you have to pull that hose out of the reel and towards your working area? And secondly I like an inline tap and with this you'd have to have the tap so I'd be scraping this along the ground as I reel it in rather than separately role the pole hose in and carry that back to van?
I'm definitely going to wait for more reviews on these poles as I think it's a great idea and I may even buy one of they're conversion kits for my slx but don't fancy hacking a brand new pole just yet lol
i to like an inline tap. only option is to go for an aqua dapter or remote AD for me
tony
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I like the idea but you cant use the aqua-dapter now which I like, is there any way around this?
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I like the idea but you cant use the aqua-dapter now which I like, is there any way around this?
have you looked at the op's link ?
the poles are sold with an aquadapter included.
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I like the idea but you cant use the aqua-dapter now which I like, is there any way around this?
have you looked at the op's link ?
the poles are sold with an aquadapter included.
YES I think its a fantastic price. I use Aqua Dapter and love it. An Aqua Dapter with hose and fittings is over £50. Am I missing something. Christmas present to one self I think. Alex up the game mate. We love you but its business
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At £300 for a 30ft pole this does seem very cheap. Kelp is posted on performance, whoever the lucky trialist is.
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its the 18ft one that interests me. £110 inc Aqua Dapter. If I get one from Alex its £173 +vat + Aqua Dapter at £47 and its lighter than Gardiners. Quality may be a coming factor, but I havnt had any look with my slx with quality so far
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I like the idea but you cant use the aqua-dapter now which I like, is there any way around this?
I have been using the pole now for a few weeks and I do think it is a very good idea ,.you can use a aquadapter with the pole but I have found if you do it yourself and follow steve video cut the hose about 1inch longer it works much better , when I followed steve video I found it did not work very well
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how would u rate the pole mark in stiffness an liteness compaired to a slx?
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First display going to a Devonshire outlet!
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1418239220_EX-CEED DISPLAY.jpg)
Which outlet in Devon? Would like to go and have a look!
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Hi s.a.j
Lee martin, bladeright supplies.
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Cheers Steven when will Lee be getting them?
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Are website prices +vat or inclusive?
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What brush is it in that video?
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Cheers Steven when will Lee be getting them?
Hi S.A.J,
The stand is being set up tomorrow, there will be a 22ft carbon pole to play with.
Peice of hose so customers can have a go at connecting up, this is to give customers a feel before they buy.
Not sure when lee wants them for sale, that will be discussed tomorrow.
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Replacement fittings available?
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Are website prices +vat or inclusive?
20% vat + postage on top of listed price
still good though
tony
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Surely you can all ready reel your pole hose onto reel if you want anyway
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Replacement fittings available?
Hi Richard
The only fitting you will need to change is the rectus 21 that is inside the ejector sleeve, which are widely available.
If the ejector sleeve fails, it will be replaced under warranty ;)
Steven.
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I notice you removed them from sale on your website.
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I notice you removed them from sale on your website.
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Not for me.
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Sent you an email Steven, hope you received it!
Jake
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There is one thing you have to admire is the way people, such as Steven and others, are able to sit down and design something that works. Not a gift I have. Much respect to you all.
Thanks.
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Hi spruce.
Thankyou for your compliments,
There also is a lot of pain involved, trust is a big thing.
Ive even had leading companies employ a mole to buy my pole from me, to check it out!
Not going to say who it is mind, but it is very sad when companies go this low.
With this like the aqua-dapter, we have made sure of patent applications, which is'nt fair that you have to do this when its your product design anyway.
Products like A/D and Tubeless poles are not an overnight project, it takes time, so i wish that other companies would keep there noses out so to speak.
Steven.
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Steven, is the ejector sleeve going to be available to buy as a separate item.
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Hi Lee,
No, it will be sold with the pole.
As was mentioned earlier lee, not sure whether you seen it, we will keep a warranty on the sleeve ejector, for around 18 months, after this may possibly sell separate from the pole.
Steven.
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Cant ask for more people. I am going to try a small one. That's the pole that takes the most stick anyway. Just looking for a good brush
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Hi spruce.
Thankyou for your compliments,
There also is a lot of pain involved, trust is a big thing.
Ive even had leading companies employ a mole to buy my pole from me, to check it out!
Not going to say who it is mind, but it is very sad when companies go this low.
With this like the aqua-dapter, we have made sure of patent applications, which is'nt fair that you have to do this when its your product design anyway.
Products like A/D and Tubeless poles are not an overnight project, it takes time, so i wish that other companies would keep there noses out so to speak.
Steven.
Its nothing new.Its business. If I owned Gardiner, who sells the most. I would buy your pole. See whats good and bad. Rip you to bits on the bad points and worry if it had loads of good points. Its a massive money game if you are no1 and sell world wide
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Ive even had leading companies employ a mole to buy my pole from me, to check it out!
Not going to say who it is mind, but it is very sad when companies go this low.
Products like A/D and Tubeless poles are not an overnight project, it takes time, so i wish that other companies would keep there noses out so to speak.
I have to disagree with you on that.
If I were designing a pole I'd buy everyone else's pole for market research. I'm amazed you didn't to be honest.
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If possible i like to be innovative, if its not different it bores me.
I do not and would not buy other products, to dissect, but that's me, ive always been like that.
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If possible i like to be innovative, if its not different it bores me.
I do not and would not buy other products, to dissect, but that's me, ive always been like that.
Fair enough. I would have thought it a good idea to buy other poles to see what's wrong with them and what can be improved upon. Like, for example, hose sticking out the bottom.
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Do the poles come with hose suitable for hot water? And when will you be selling extensions/ add on sections?
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Are website prices +vat or inclusive?
20% vat + postage on top of listed price
still good though
tony
Thanks.
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Hi spruce.
Thankyou for your compliments,
There also is a lot of pain involved, trust is a big thing.
Ive even had leading companies employ a mole to buy my pole from me, to check it out!
Not going to say who it is mind, but it is very sad when companies go this low.
With this like the aqua-dapter, we have made sure of patent applications, which is'nt fair that you have to do this when its your product design anyway.
Products like A/D and Tubeless poles are not an overnight project, it takes time, so i wish that other companies would keep there noses out so to speak.
Steven.
lol steve you can tell you have only been in business five minutes
having a good friend working one of the top jobs at mclaren every time theres a new top super car out on the market they buy one then starts taking them to bits bit by bit to see whats new
there r8s ferraris ,and many more all brand new all just sat in bits in a compound never to go on the road again its what people do to stay ahead in there field northing new in the manufacturering game
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Sorry, its not the way i do things, i believe its a bit underhand, to get a friend or customer to buy a pole for you to dissect.
It maybe common practice, but its not moral, but thats me. :)
Steven.
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will you be selling extensions/ add on sections?
+1
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What are the clamps like
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Hi spruce.
Thankyou for your compliments,
There also is a lot of pain involved, trust is a big thing.
Ive even had leading companies employ a mole to buy my pole from me, to check it out!
Not going to say who it is mind, but it is very sad when companies go this low.
With this like the aqua-dapter, we have made sure of patent applications, which is'nt fair that you have to do this when its your product design anyway.
Products like A/D and Tubeless poles are not an overnight project, it takes time, so i wish that other companies would keep there noses out so to speak.
Steven.
lol steve you can tell you have only been in business five minutes
having a good friend working one of the top jobs at mclaren every time theres a new top super car out on the market they buy one then starts taking them to bits bit by bit to see whats new
there r8s ferraris ,and many more all brand new all just sat in bits in a compound never to go on the road again its what people do to stay ahead in there field northing new in the manufacturering game
Always thought technology filtered from F1.
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It must be me but I still don't understand how this works.
It looks a very good idea.
How does it work inside the pole sections when they are extended and closed?
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It maybe common practice, but its not moral, but thats me. :)
I don't see how morals come into it. Did you come up with side on clamps on your own? I doubt it. Was it your idea to make them out of carbon fibre? Definitely not. Unless you come up with a completely new original idea you copied most of it from somewhere.
If you are not doing your market research properly how can you expect to compete with those that do?
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I think Tucker poles had this on their poles about 7 years ago, not really a new idea. Nothing new under the sun....
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What connector do you recommend using to connect the pole hose to the Microbore with the tubeless setup?
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It must be me but I still don't understand how this works.
It looks a very good idea.
How does it work inside the pole sections when they are extended and closed?
From what i can work out the top section of pole has a length of pole hose to the brush with a rectus connecter, when pole is collapsed you push the other half of the connector on the pole hose that is on your reel (long enough section on reel for pole which is connected to the microprobe)into the bottom of the pole where it connects to the other side of the rectus .......when you extend the pole it pulls the pole hose that was wound on your reel up the middle of the pole .
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It must be me but I still don't understand how this works.
It looks a very good idea.
How does it work inside the pole sections when they are extended and closed?
From what i can work out the top section of pole has a length of pole hose to the brush with a rectus connecter, when pole is collapsed you push the other half of the connector on the pole hose that is on your reel (long enough section on reel for pole which is connected to the microprobe)into the bottom of the pole where it connects to the other side of the rectus .......when you extend the pole it pulls the pole hose that was wound on your reel up the middle of the pole .
So the bit of connector inside the pole must protrude when the pole is collapsed otherwise you can't connect/disconnect. Doesn't this make it vulnerable to damage?
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I think I get it now thanks to this vid by mark munro
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bY92FaiLZo0
The fitting is at the bottom of the smallest diameter pole, ie the top one.
I thought it was fitted to the widest diameter pole, the bottom one and couldn't work out how that worked.
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It must be me but I still don't understand how this works.
It looks a very good idea.
How does it work inside the pole sections when they are extended and closed?
From what i can work out the top section of pole has a length of pole hose to the brush with a rectus connecter, when pole is collapsed you push the other half of the connector on the pole hose that is on your reel (long enough section on reel for pole which is connected to the microprobe)into the bottom of the pole where it connects to the other side of the rectus .......when you extend the pole it pulls the pole hose that was wound on your reel up the middle of the pole .
So the bit of connector inside the pole must protrude when the pole is collapsed otherwise you can't connect/disconnect. Doesn't this make it vulnerable to damage?
i dont think it does protrude pal as i remember reading form the main man about the kits for converting other poles where you need to take an inch or two off the base of the top pole so i presume when its closed it wont stick out the bottom!
has anyone got a link for the conversion kits as i cant find them on theyre website any more?
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love those clamps. I think he changed them. Ill check later. Fantastic idea until the rectus packs in. You wont get a spare one for back up
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The rectus 26 last very well though , mine is almost worn down to a barrel shape and is still working ......gets dragged along the floor and been on a year .
inside a cover like it is on the exceed pole it should last ages.
I would be tempted but i work with a pole tap on the hose.
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Thanks for posting the link to that video.
Very exciting indeed. Looks like Mark M has got a super light brush with hybrid bristles. That will be a good brush!
Pole looks ok.
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Hi spruce.
Thankyou for your compliments,
There also is a lot of pain involved, trust is a big thing.
Ive even had leading companies employ a mole to buy my pole from me, to check it out!
Not going to say who it is mind, but it is very sad when companies go this low.
With this like the aqua-dapter, we have made sure of patent applications, which is'nt fair that you have to do this when its your product design anyway.
Products like A/D and Tubeless poles are not an overnight project, it takes time, so i wish that other companies would keep there noses out so to speak.
Steven.
lol steve you can tell you have only been in business five minutes
having a good friend working one of the top jobs at mclaren every time theres a new top super car out on the market they buy one then starts taking them to bits bit by bit to see whats new
there r8s ferraris ,and many more all brand new all just sat in bits in a compound never to go on the road again its what people do to stay ahead in there field northing new in the manufacturering game
Always thought technology filtered from F1.
it does but with a small market like the super car market, one little change could make the car a good one or a bad one that's why they all watch what each others doing .
when wfp first came out there were only two poles now theres many all ripped off from each other
there now made better and cheaper ending in use all having lighter and better poles at cheaper prices , again good for us all if there was just one pole on the market and you could only get it from one place I hate to think what the price would be of it ..
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love those clamps. I think he changed them. Ill check later. Fantastic idea until the rectus packs in. You wont get a spare one for back up
duncan, we have designed the fitting be changed very easily, so there is no need to worry about this, as regards the clamps, a comment from lee martin at bladeright cleaning supplies today was it is better than any pole he had seen, it has taken along time to get it to this point with lots of criticism from other companies, but it is here at last.
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What connector do you recommend using to connect the pole hose to the Microbore with the tubeless setup?
Hi lee,
An 8 to 6 mm barbed fitting.
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Good luck with the new poles Steven, they look good. I work with a backpack so not so sure they would be of any benefit to me as they look more suited to be used with hose reels, but good luck anyway ;)
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Yes clamps are totally different to prototype. Now they are more like Gardiner clamps. Same, I loved the flush look
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has anyone got a link for the conversion kits as i cant find them on theyre website any more?
He's decided not to sell the conversion kits, so I hear.
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Hi spruce.
Thankyou for your compliments,
There also is a lot of pain involved, trust is a big thing.
Ive even had leading companies employ a mole to buy my pole from me, to check it out!
Not going to say who it is mind, but it is very sad when companies go this low.
With this like the aqua-dapter, we have made sure of patent applications, which is'nt fair that you have to do this when its your product design anyway.
Products like A/D and Tubeless poles are not an overnight project, it takes time, so i wish that other companies would keep there noses out so to speak.
Steven.
Look on the bright side - at least you've sold one ;)
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I do feel any pole could be converted this way. Just move the John Guest fitting at the top of you pole down so that when you close your pole it then stickes out the bottom of you pole.So Basicly you will have a length of pole hose a few inches longer than no 1 section with a restus or a John Guest which you loosen to allow your pole hose to be rolled up.
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has anyone got a link for the conversion kits as i cant find them on theyre website any more?
He's decided not to sell the conversion kits, so I hear.
yeah he told me on facebook page last night, im gutted as i really feel this system is a great idea and may save me a few minutes over the day but that adds up over time and i like the idea of no pole hose hanging on the side of the van!
ive just bought a couple of new slx poles too otherwise i may have ordered one of these carbon poles to try with this system but i think i may design my own now as it doesnt look too hard to do something with rectus fittings, i presume its only the top pole that you modify to fix a male fitting in and take a wee bit of the end of the pole so when its closed it wont protrude, then its just a case of opening the pole protector on the base.
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Hi,
We decided against selling kits.
This is for 3 reasons.
1) we will not advise to diy, if it goes wrong, it would reflect on us.
2) it would void a warranty on a wfp as it requires alteration of your wfp.
3) we prefer to promote out own poles.
Steven.
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My dads first van was a used wfp setup and it came with some awful poles. It was a tucker poles system. We had an argument on Friday morning as i told him about this idea and thought it would be good. He told me we have a pole in the garage with the same fitting. I didn't believe him, but bugger me i can make out the pole in the garage. Will dig it out, basically its this pole here. It was a beast
http://www.aquafactors.com/wp-content/uploads/Aquafactors_Aspire_pole_head_group_large.jpg
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(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1418482469_Aquafactors_Aspire_pole_head_group_large.jpg)
I believe that is the Tucker pole that Stephen Fox alluded to.
Nothing new under the sun.
I think Tucker poles had this on their poles about 7 years ago, not really a new idea. Nothing new under the sun....
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Ah, I thought the water somehow magically went through the pole without any hose (I'm a thickie-Geordie), but what actually happens is that the REEL hose attaches to a short piece of hose in the No 1 section, and then when you lengthen the pole, the REEL hose goes up the pole.
Doh! :-[
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Tosh, not a thickie mate, just a little spin and mis direction from the makers...
Darran
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I think Tucker poles had this on their poles about 7 years ago, not really a new idea. Nothing new under the sun....
Now thats nasty MR FOX its there time to shine.You had your day with the Phoenix rising and all that. Its for the window cleaners not for competition MR FOXY. Climb back in your hole and relax is only a Infomercial. You make such fuss it put me off your pole. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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I think Tucker poles had this on their poles about 7 years ago, not really a new idea. Nothing new under the sun....
Now thats nasty MR FOX its there time to shine.You had your day with the Phoenix rising and all that. Its for the window cleaners not for competition MR FOXY. Climb back in your hole and relax is only a commercial.
Nowt wrong with a bit of market research..........
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Was wondering how you stop the connectors being pushed up the no1 section
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So not really tubeless. Surely thats a trade description error of somesorts, misleading customers to thinking it had no tube!!!!! By selling as tubeless....omg :)
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You dont. I think its pretty clear how it works. The fittings slide to no.1 section as the pole is extended it when you pack up its tubeless.
THE TUCKER POLE WAS WATER TYTE POLE.
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Its tubeless in the sense as there's no hose attached to the pole.
as regards the example of the aqua factor pole is no comparison.
and most companies know this.
aqua factors pole was designed from a car brush.
can you imagine the weight of a 30ft pole filled with water.
I have had a lot of snotty remarks from 4 leading companies so far, but this is to expected when you design a new pole.
so far I have had 10 emails from this forum from members to trial my pole, soon I will decide who to send a pole to for review.
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aqua factors pole was designed from a car brush.
can you imagine the weight of a 30ft pole filled with water.
Is it?
How do you know that?
:P
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I typed in aqua factor aspire in Google search.
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You havent designed a new pole. It looks like the old gardiner ones. You are mistaken about the weight of section one filled with water, the one i have designed only has a 6mm inner diameter, the same as pole hose, just thicker honeycomb carbon on this section. Perhaps this could be a truly tubeless pole:-)
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Look to be technical, a pole is a tube, or isn't it.
yours has an honeycomb centre sounds like a crunchy.
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Think outside the chocolate box!!!
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I typed in aqua factor aspire in Google search.
So, you investigated - without paying for - a competitors pole?
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Steven feel free to include me in those 10 guys who want to trial it out and review the pole for you,if its better than the slx poles i will have one off you in the future when they wear out or may even replace them!
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Hi Steven, am I right in thinking that when you disconnect the hose from the pole, it empties out the hose reel?
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Hi Steven, am I right in thinking that when you disconnect the hose from the pole, it empties out the hose reel?
Good question.
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The end of the hose has a rectus fitting so it stops the water flow when you disconnect it from the pole
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To be honest it's not for me but...... I admire them for innovation, we need this to facilitate progress with the development of our equipment. I wouldn't sell DIY kits either if I was them- for the same reasons given. ;)
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The end of the hose has a rectus fitting so it stops the water flow when you disconnect it from the pole
So the pole has a male end?
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Yes. It's exac the same as a normal setup apart from it connects inside the pole.
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The male end will empty out unless your using an aquadaptor the other end
Darran
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Hi Steven, am I right in thinking that when you disconnect the hose from the pole, it empties out the hose reel?
I think the female fitting is on the reel side and the male fitting is on the pole end so your reel would not empty.
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The male is in the pole, they has no water stop, only the females have a stop, the 'ejector' cover pulls back on the outer collar to initiate separation.
Darran
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Hi guys,
the short piece of hose in the pole empties in seconds.
then the pole is dry to put back in your van.
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I'm looking for a New pole and this is defo what I'm going for next! If I doesn't cut the mustard then I won't by another it's simple. Wouldn't mind trying one first though!
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It looks a great kit, its just time will tell how great this kit will be, let hope it works good for all our benefit.
Well done steve. good work. :)
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So does this mean that the hose real does not empty? Or are you using female connections with no positive stop?
If the hose doesn't empty that would be a heavy lift into the van each time.
I'm very interested in trialling this for you Steven, however I've never used aquadapter (pole taps only) so it would be a completely new way of working for me.
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Ah, I thought the water somehow magically went through the pole without any hose (I'm a thickie-Geordie), but what actually happens is that the REEL hose attaches to a short piece of hose in the No 1 section, and then when you lengthen the pole, the REEL hose goes up the pole.
Doh! :-[
you can do the same with an slx if using an aquadapter on our pole tails are only just pokeing out from the bottom when the poles closed so just clip the reel hose on and off you go so you can still do the same job as this new pole we have been doing this for years
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Its tubeless in the sense as there's no hose attached to the pole.
as regards the example of the aqua factor pole is no comparison.
and most companies know this.
aqua factors pole was designed from a car brush.
can you imagine the weight of a 30ft pole filled with water.
I have had a lot of snotty remarks from 4 leading companies so far, but this is to expected when you design a new pole.
so far I have had 10 emails from this forum from members to trial my pole, soon I will decide who to send a pole to for review.
did you get my email?
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What's so hard to understand how the Ex-ceed system works.......
Or would this same system be easier to understand and be accepted if it had 'Gardiner' sticker on it.
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I cant understand why you all are struggling to understand it. Its a Rectus fitting, the same as most on here use.
Exactly the same as I use, but its got a sleeve over it for quick connection/disconnection. This allows the male connector to sit inside the pole. So when you would normally disconnect the thin hose from your reel. Now you wont have it all over the van, or rapped on your pole. Now you can wind it onto the reel.
Less water will be lost as you only have a short thin hose disconnected.
I will be giving it a go after holiday
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We have got a suggestion to make.
Will clarify after dinner today.
Steven.
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I cant understand why you all are struggling to understand it. Its a Rectus fitting, the same as most on here use.
Exactly the same as I use, but its got a sleeve over it for quick connection/disconnection. This allows the male connector to sit inside the pole. So when you would normally disconnect the thin hose from your reel. Now you wont have it all over the van, or rapped on your pole. Now you can wind it onto the reel.
Less water will be lost as you only have a short thin hose disconnected.
I will be giving it a go after holiday
We are all different and our minds work differently. I'm mechanically minded and can usually quickly see how these things work. But if you ask me to design something then I'm no good at that.
For example; Once you see an Aquadapter, it is a fairly simple design, yet extremely clever. But I would never have been able to design that. I think it takes a special ability to be able to look at an end result and find a simple solution to achieve that.
I often thought of the kitchen taps we have at home. Half a turn switches them on and off. Why couldn't I have thought of "replacing my hand with a pole - ie the Aquatap. Some people are automatically able to see things on a different plane.
But what can also seem a positive attribute may also be a negative attribute to themselves as well. Once some designers have successfully designed a product to a manufactured conclusion, they have to keep going on designing something else to keep the 'fire burning'.
I think Steven is one of these people who needs to have his mind occupied with new challenges. I have said on this forum many times that it is my belief that the Aquadapter one of the best things to have been given to us window cleaners. Not all agree, but for me with my bad back, it has been a life saver.
When Paul was at Aquadapter he once asked what we as window cleaners had problems with. A whole lot of us made comments, but mine was that we needed something better than a Protecta ball as they didn't protect the male or female rectus connectors. Several years later Steven comes out with a really good, simple protector that works perfectly. Now I have no idea whether that suggestion had anything to do with the end product, that's not the point, but the main thing from this is a brilliant fitting protector which I'm benefiting from.
I don't know what lengths Steven went to in redesigning the clamps on his pole to ensure that they didn't 'tramp' on the Gardiner Patent. Only time will tell if they are successful and received well in the industry. He knows that as well as anyone.
With regard to his pole fittings, why should he sell them as an accessory? The wfp world is full of diyers, me included, so why shouldn't he protect his design for his exclusive use as much as possible?
This is much more complicated the having a male tail connector sticking out of the bottom of a pole. He has found a way of fitting the female connector into the base of the pole passed the base cap. Now the pole operator won't snag the female connector on the base protector/cap as the pole is being extended. Snagging the female stop can easily cause the coupler to uncouple.
As per Mark Munro's description - its very clever - brilliant. We need to give credit where credit is due!
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We have got a suggestion to make.
Will clarify after dinner today.
Steven.
Come-on then....you must've finished dinner by now ;D.
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Look at pole or convert topic.
Steven.
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Steven, the 22 carbon pole at 1300g is this just the bear pole?
Tony
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Steven, the 22 carbon pole at 1300g is this just the bear pole?
Tony
I would guess so, as they don't come with a brush. Gardiner quotes are without a brush also
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Includes sleeve ejector and aqua dapter.
Not interested in forcing people to use a brush that they may not want.
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Includes sleeve ejector and aqua dapter.
Not interested in forcing people to use a brush that they may not want.
Ok, I have one in my cart but..... I would love to see how it's set up with the A/D
I also have a retus 26 on the end one my microbore so this would need changing to a female retus?
Tony
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Includes sleeve ejector and aqua dapter.
Not interested in forcing people to use a brush that they may not want.
Do all your poles come with an aqua daptor? Or am I dreaming hear lol
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Hi guys
first time buyer get 15mtr hose, sleeve ejector, rectus fitting, and aqua dapter.
second pole you won't need ejector or hose as that is bought on first purchase.
when you use our new system we are confident you will not want to work with any other pole or system.
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Ok, so that will automatically be added at the checkout if I order now?
Tony
Ordered, please take me off the trial list
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How quick and easy is the aquadapter at shutting the water off between windows? As quick as a tap on your hip? If so I'm seriously considering this option.
I'm just a little dubious about the longevity of the rectus 21 fittings. I've changed all my poles over to 26's as the 21's could leak in less than a weeks use.
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How quick and easy is the aquadapter at shutting the water off between windows? As quick as a tap on your hip? If so I'm seriously considering this option.
I'm just a little dubious about the longevity of the rectus 21 fittings. I've changed all my poles over to 26's as the 21's could leak in less than a weeks use.
I can tell you Aqua Dapters are instant. I love them. As for how long Rectus 21 lasts. I am worried also. I had no luck with them, so change do another type. Also no luck. If they are a quality make, should be ok as they are covered. Had some rubbish makes
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Yes the Aqua daptor is far faster than any inline tap, whether it's on your hip or floor.
Steve - I will argue the point with you, I would always require an ejector sleeve and A/d ( well the first 6 anyway ;) ) some of us have more than van you know
Darran
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Always get Parker hannifin made connectors
These get dragged all over the show never leak and usually last 8 to 12 months, in fact the last one only got damaged because I threw the hose off a four storey roof and the connector hit the concrete instead on landing on the pile of hose
Darran
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I have made my pole work similar to this.
Having a pole with no joint at reel
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I have rigged my pole up so there is no join to the Trolley reel showing when I am working. For anyone interested.
First, I dont use a Tap on the end of the pole hose. I use an AquaTap, So this will work for AquaTap, AquaDapter (I think) and remote controls.
First I Took the old pole hose off and eplaced it with a smaller one that just hangs out of the end of the pole by 2 or 3inches
(http://i1291.photobucket.com/albums/b553/jimmybootsx/pole%20hose%20with%20no%20join%20showing/IMG_20141113_110555991_zpsfe65c631.jpg) (http://s1291.photobucket.com/user/jimmybootsx/media/pole%20hose%20with%20no%20join%20showing/IMG_20141113_110555991_zpsfe65c631.jpg.html)
(http://i1291.photobucket.com/albums/b553/jimmybootsx/pole%20hose%20with%20no%20join%20showing/IMG_20141113_110746228_zpsd27944fe.jpg) (http://s1291.photobucket.com/user/jimmybootsx/media/pole%20hose%20with%20no%20join%20showing/IMG_20141113_110746228_zpsd27944fe.jpg.html)
Then connect the hose to the Trolley reel as usual, without any protecta ball or obsticle
(http://i1291.photobucket.com/albums/b553/jimmybootsx/pole%20hose%20with%20no%20join%20showing/IMG_20141113_110849227_zpsc3e442b3.jpg) (http://s1291.photobucket.com/user/jimmybootsx/media/pole%20hose%20with%20no%20join%20showing/IMG_20141113_110849227_zpsc3e442b3.jpg.html)
I put a little sticky padding around the male end section just in case the connection could release while sliding up and down the pole
(http://i1291.photobucket.com/albums/b553/jimmybootsx/pole%20hose%20with%20no%20join%20showing/IMG_20141113_114713362_zpsdcf77122.jpg) (http://s1291.photobucket.com/user/jimmybootsx/media/pole%20hose%20with%20no%20join%20showing/IMG_20141113_114713362_zpsdcf77122.jpg.html)
Then I slightly extend the first section of the pole around 5 or 6 inches. This pulls the fitting up inside the pole.
(http://i1291.photobucket.com/albums/b553/jimmybootsx/pole%20hose%20with%20no%20join%20showing/IMG_20141113_111022921_zps0341530e.jpg) (http://s1291.photobucket.com/user/jimmybootsx/media/pole%20hose%20with%20no%20join%20showing/IMG_20141113_111022921_zps0341530e.jpg.html)
And thats about it. A pole with a straight through hose with no connections showing
(http://i1291.photobucket.com/albums/b553/jimmybootsx/pole%20hose%20with%20no%20join%20showing/IMG_20141113_111641558_HDR_zps79344f68.jpg) (http://s1291.photobucket.com/user/jimmybootsx/media/pole%20hose%20with%20no%20join%20showing/IMG_20141113_111641558_HDR_zps79344f68.jpg.html)
At the end of the day just collapse the first section completely and the connection pops out to disconnect.
Just a matter of getting used to not closing the pole the final 6 or so inches when working, perhaps marking the pole or something.
I use an SLX 22 and the closed length of the pole is only 1.49 metres so the pole is smaller than many, but I have always worked leaving the first section fully extended anyway to save on clamp wear as I only do tops WFP.
This can also be done using a normal 8mm pushfit fitting instead of rectus fittings, and also I have tried it with my microbore hose on the van mount and it works with that too.
(http://i1291.photobucket.com/albums/b553/jimmybootsx/pole%20hose%20with%20no%20join%20showing/IMG_20141113_112635097_zpsa713da0d.jpg) (http://s1291.photobucket.com/user/jimmybootsx/media/pole%20hose%20with%20no%20join%20showing/IMG_20141113_112635097_zpsa713da0d.jpg.html)
O rings are not on as I was just testing to see if it works.
Not a good pic but works fine on van mount reel
(http://i1291.photobucket.com/albums/b553/jimmybootsx/pole%20hose%20with%20no%20join%20showing/IMG_20141210_091817593_zps07ff97aa.jpg) (http://s1291.photobucket.com/user/jimmybootsx/media/pole%20hose%20with%20no%20join%20showing/IMG_20141210_091817593_zps07ff97aa.jpg.html)
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Note that pole hose is a lot lighter than reel hose :)
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Nice job Jimmy, I have the same just behind my Aqua taps, great for a quick change over ;D
Darran
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Duncan, The last pic is microbore 6mm ID 11mm OD. works fine
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Always get Parker hannifin made connectors
These get dragged all over the show never leak and usually last 8 to 12 months, in fact the last one only got damaged because I threw the hose off a four storey roof and the connector hit the concrete instead on landing on the pile of hose
Darran
Hi Darran, do you have a link please? :)
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http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/The-BEST-WFP-Water-Fed-Pole-RECTUS-21-Coupling-x-8mm-Hose-Tail-6mm-Probe-Combo-/161489481723?pt=UK_HomeGarden_CLV_Cleaning_CA&hash=item259985effb
Darran
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Top man! Cheers
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Jimmy Boots
thanks for taking the time to share your set up
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Jimmy Boots
thanks for taking the time to share your set up
No probs JackieW :) This does work. Especially on short collapsing poles.