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Title: ppm acceptable levels??
Post by: paul joy on December 08, 2014, 07:01:25 pm
Hi guys, been window cleaning for a few years with a pal but set up on my own now. Like an idiot haven't changed my resin in my di unit. its now reading between 7-10 ppm, after filtration and after going through the old resin, have ordered some resin but wondered if any one knew what is an acceptable level to still be able to clean windows before the water is not pure enough. hope this makes sense. Thanks in advance
Title: Re: ppm acceptable levels??
Post by: mark coates on December 08, 2014, 07:16:09 pm
I've heard that your water should be fine as long as its below 10 ppm. Mine is currently coming out at 8 and I've had no complaints....yet :)
Title: Re: ppm acceptable levels??
Post by: paul joy on December 08, 2014, 07:29:45 pm
ok thanks, has put my mind at ease :)
Title: Re: ppm acceptable levels??
Post by: Spruce on December 08, 2014, 09:52:50 pm
Surely the easy solution is to clean your own windows and check the results when they dry?

There was another thread just recently about the ppm that cleaners say they clean with, without issue. You must have seen it?
Title: Re: ppm acceptable levels??
Post by: Nathanael Jones on December 09, 2014, 08:56:40 am
I'd clean up to 010 without worries and have on occasion cleaned up to 024 with no issue (resin delivery got lost by courier!) - but it really does depend on what the impurities in your water are...
Title: Re: ppm acceptable levels??
Post by: slap bash on December 09, 2014, 07:30:58 pm
Having a ppi that is high and cleaning can deliver good results what make the problems is what the 10 parts are made up off. Its for this reason one can get away with a TDS of 10/20 and another will have spotting at 6/7.
Title: Re: ppm acceptable levels??
Post by: Soupy on October 27, 2016, 01:10:39 pm
Hi guys, been window cleaning for a few years with a pal but set up on my own now. Like an idiot haven't changed my resin in my di unit. its now reading between 7-10 ppm, after filtration and after going through the old resin, have ordered some resin but wondered if any one knew what is an acceptable level to still be able to clean windows before the water is not pure enough. hope this makes sense. Thanks in advance

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Title: Re: ppm acceptable levels??
Post by: Smurf on October 27, 2016, 01:15:51 pm
0 ppb obviously
Title: Re: ppm acceptable levels??
Post by: Soupy on October 27, 2016, 01:17:14 pm
0 ppb obviously

Nah, you gotta go less than 0, no matter the scale!
Title: Re: ppm acceptable levels??
Post by: Smurf on October 27, 2016, 01:18:09 pm
 ;D ;D
Title: Re: ppm acceptable levels??
Post by: SeanK on October 27, 2016, 02:02:29 pm
Pick one of your own windows that gets the sun and see how it leaves them. shouldn't have any problems at that level
though.
Title: Re: ppm acceptable levels??
Post by: Smurf on October 27, 2016, 02:05:02 pm
The chap has probably packed up cleaning windows by now as posted that back in December 08, 2014
Title: Re: ppm acceptable levels??
Post by: NWH on October 27, 2016, 03:52:41 pm
Why let it rise I always change mine when it moves off 000,if you RO your water it costs pennies in resin if your gonna clean windows with anything up to 010 you may as well do away with resin.
Title: Re: ppm acceptable levels??
Post by: Soupy on October 27, 2016, 04:19:30 pm
Why let it rise I always change mine when it moves off 000

No no no, 0 is no use, it needs to be below 0.
Title: Re: ppm acceptable levels??
Post by: Mike55 on October 27, 2016, 04:30:56 pm
Hi guys, been window cleaning for a few years with a pal but set up on my own now. Like an idiot haven't changed my resin in my di unit. its now reading between 7-10 ppm, after filtration and after going through the old resin, have ordered some resin but wondered if any one knew what is an acceptable level to still be able to clean windows before the water is not pure enough. hope this makes sense. Thanks in advance

Paul.......  with a reading of 007-010ppm now is the time to change it bud............ give the resin vessel a good shake and you will squeeze a bit more life out of the resin........ but really once it gets to around 010 it rises quite rapidly so keep your eye on it.
Title: Re: ppm acceptable levels??
Post by: Spruce on October 27, 2016, 05:53:34 pm
Hi guys, been window cleaning for a few years with a pal but set up on my own now. Like an idiot haven't changed my resin in my di unit. its now reading between 7-10 ppm, after filtration and after going through the old resin, have ordered some resin but wondered if any one knew what is an acceptable level to still be able to clean windows before the water is not pure enough. hope this makes sense. Thanks in advance



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Soupy, this post is from 2 years back.  ;D

Paul Joy has certainly been an asset to this forum in the past couple of years.

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Title: Re: ppm acceptable levels??
Post by: robbo333 on October 27, 2016, 06:30:19 pm
I've cleaned up to 10 and it's been ok but I don't feel comfortable doing it. Probably best get it changed.
Title: Re: ppm acceptable levels??
Post by: Stoots on October 27, 2016, 07:31:24 pm
Always laugh when I see this question

The answer is zero tds

Why play a game of let's see what I can get away with to scrimp on a few quid. for a start there is no answer it all depends on what's in your water. 

Personally if I get a complaint I know it's not the water at fault and that saves the worry

Title: Re: ppm acceptable levels??
Post by: nathankaye on October 27, 2016, 07:50:38 pm
Practice and experiment on your own windows and check your customers windows once dried.
I know how high i can go because of not being scared into using the all wonderfull 000tds. Its not always the case of whats left in the water, certainly this plays a part but technique plays a huge part because even at 000tds you can still screw it up and do a bad job.
I need to replace my membranes, but i know with a booster my water comes out at 009 and i can and have worked with this, whilst maintaining excellent work n no complaints. That i wont even bother with any resin.
Title: Re: ppm acceptable levels??
Post by: G Griffin on October 27, 2016, 09:31:10 pm
Hi guys, been window cleaning for a few years with a pal but set up on my own now. Like an idiot haven't changed my resin in my di unit. its now reading between 7-10 ppm, after filtration and after going through the old resin, have ordered some resin but wondered if any one knew what is an acceptable level to still be able to clean windows before the water is not pure enough. hope this makes sense. Thanks in advance

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That's me agreeing not me using +1 ppm. That'd be daft.
Why bother filtering water if you don't take everything and more out?
I used 10 ppm, half of one time, and all three customers complained on both jobs.
Now I use -2 ppm 24/7.

Help that hopes.
Title: Re: ppm acceptable levels??
Post by: ben M on October 27, 2016, 09:54:34 pm
i don't use Di(resin), After my RO i get 009ppm for the last 2 years,rinse well,no prob at all!
Title: Re: ppm acceptable levels??
Post by: Soupy on October 28, 2016, 06:22:14 am
i don't use Di(resin), After my RO i get 009ppm for the last 2 years,rinse well,no prob at all!

You've got that wrong. What you are actually using is below 0 ppht (part per hundred thousand).

It's modded simple.
Title: Re: ppm acceptable levels??
Post by: SeanK on October 28, 2016, 06:57:44 am
i don't use Di(resin), After my RO i get 009ppm for the last 2 years,rinse well,no prob at all!

You've got that wrong. What you are actually using is below 0 ppht (part per hundred thousand).

It's modded simple.

Would you stop crying and making a fool out of yourself, a tds meter measures in parts per million from 000ppm to 999ppm below zero would read as 0.1ppm and below  which it doesn't measure.
You where wrong in the other post get over it.
Title: Re: ppm acceptable levels??
Post by: Soupy on October 28, 2016, 06:59:27 am
0.1 is above 0 though innit?
Title: Re: ppm acceptable levels??
Post by: Dave Willis on October 28, 2016, 07:15:22 am
I use pond water, never been called back yet, rinse well or the tadpoles can stick.

You suckers wasting money on filter systems want your heads read.

I charged my customer £12.01. She gave me twelve pounds and a penny. I told her she'd got it wrong 'cos £12.01 is actually less than £12.00, daft bint.
Title: Re: ppm acceptable levels??
Post by: clarkson on October 28, 2016, 09:55:33 am
Hi
This time of year your ok to about 10 but DI can deteriorate fast at this point , it could be 9 today  and 50 in another 500 litres.

Also in summer when it's drying faster I don't find 10 cuts it , can spot if not rinsed to death.

John
Title: Re: ppm acceptable levels??
Post by: Tosh on October 28, 2016, 10:29:55 am
Hi
This time of year your ok to about 10 but DI can deteriorate fast at this point , it could be 9 today  and 50 in another 500 litres.

Also in summer when it's drying faster I don't find 10 cuts it , can spot if not rinsed to death.

John

What are you saying?

If you use water with a reading of 10PPM you need to rinse more to make sure you’ve rinsed all the water off?
Title: Re: ppm acceptable levels??
Post by: Shrek on October 28, 2016, 10:35:14 am
Hi
This time of year your ok to about 10 but DI can deteriorate fast at this point , it could be 9 today  and 50 in another 500 litres.

Also in summer when it's drying faster I don't find 10 cuts it , can spot if not rinsed to death.

John

Need to up your flow
Title: Re: ppm acceptable levels??
Post by: robert mitchell on October 29, 2016, 10:07:10 am
Hi
This time of year your ok to about 10 but DI can deteriorate fast at this point , it could be 9 today  and 50 in another 500 litres.

Also in summer when it's drying faster I don't find 10 cuts it , can spot if not rinsed to death.

John

That makes no sense whatsoever .......if the water is going to dry spotty then it will no matter how much rinse !
Title: Re: ppm acceptable levels??
Post by: Tosh on October 29, 2016, 05:10:56 pm
Exactly. The concept of pure water window cleaning is lost on a large proportion of people. I guess it avoids blaming themselves for not having the correct technique if they can blame the water.
Title: Re: ppm acceptable levels??
Post by: dazmond on October 31, 2016, 06:29:16 pm
its window cleaners penny pinching to (IMO) ridiculous levels.just keep it at 000-005 and you ll have no problems. 8)
Title: Re: ppm acceptable levels??
Post by: SeanK on October 31, 2016, 07:34:27 pm
Exactly. The concept of pure water window cleaning is lost on a large proportion of people. I guess it avoids blaming themselves for not having the correct technique if they can blame the water.

Do you not remember the old lines used by sellers, pure/ hungry water cleans better as it can absorb more dirt, better cleaning
results, helps protect frames.
Then you have parts per billion machines, additives working all sorts of wonders and so on.
Cant blame people for not knowing which end is up in this game at times.
Title: Re: ppm acceptable levels??
Post by: Smurf on October 31, 2016, 07:47:09 pm
Back in the day a damp rag was good enough. Now people want to ride around in Flash Gordan space ships just to splash a bit of water about with a stick   ;D
Title: Re: ppm acceptable levels??
Post by: SeanK on October 31, 2016, 08:03:01 pm
Yes and I forgot the biggest seller sales pitch, ladders are about to be banned.
Title: Re: ppm acceptable levels??
Post by: Smurf on October 31, 2016, 08:05:04 pm
Yes and I forgot the biggest seller sales pitch, ladders are about to be banned.

Oh bugger I thought they were...Now you tell me  ;D ;D
Title: Re: ppm acceptable levels??
Post by: NWH on October 31, 2016, 08:38:08 pm
Having perfect water won't get perfect results it's 50% water 50% the person using the pole
 
Title: Re: ppm acceptable levels??
Post by: Smurf on November 01, 2016, 12:04:52 am
Or in most cases 100%  luck and 10%  water as most don't have a clue  ;D ;D
Title: Re: ppm acceptable levels??
Post by: s.w.c on November 08, 2016, 08:22:31 pm
I've always used 0.00ppm to 0.01ppm if it hits 0.03ppm then I will change.
Title: Re: ppm acceptable levels??
Post by: Smurf on November 08, 2016, 08:42:24 pm
I sometimes trad and don't get any spotting thats with a tds of nearly 300... work that one out ;D
Title: Re: ppm acceptable levels??
Post by: s.w.c on November 08, 2016, 09:30:54 pm
so smurf what's 3 eggs one light bulb an a box of tissues got to do with it,
Title: Re: ppm acceptable levels??
Post by: Smurf on November 08, 2016, 11:27:53 pm
I have no idea but sounds interesting  ;D
Title: Re: ppm acceptable levels??
Post by: the king on November 09, 2016, 12:07:16 am
i no a tite ars who lets his tds go to nearly tap water but he instests he dont have any issues just spotting and runs on most windows  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: ppm acceptable levels??
Post by: the king on November 09, 2016, 12:08:56 am
just in case the spell check guys don't  no that was a joke  ;)
Title: Re: ppm acceptable levels??
Post by: pikeman on November 10, 2016, 03:28:19 pm
lol
Title: Re: ppm acceptable levels??
Post by: 8weekly on November 10, 2016, 03:34:35 pm
just in case the spell check guys don't  no that was a joke  ;)
We no.  ;D
Title: Re: ppm acceptable levels??
Post by: AuRavelling79 on November 10, 2016, 10:56:41 pm
just in case the spell check guys don't  no that was a joke  ;)
We no.  ;D

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