Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: paulben on December 04, 2014, 07:35:47 am
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After trying Vision would you buy more , once you have used your bottle
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After trying Vision would you buy more , once you have used your bottle
Going on the ratios a bottle will last the average user 1 - 3 months. Wayyyyyyyy to early for this poll and will only create more drama.
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Drama already ?? thought it might calm things down a positive answer one way or other
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Drama already ?? thought it might calm things down a positive answer one way or other
Life exists beyond CIU, watch this space.
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I haven't bought one bottle yet! ;D
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I haven't bought one bottle yet! ;D
Should get mine today. Already seen people comment about taking the formula apart and working out what it is ::)roll
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got mine yesterday but try it prob tomorrow on my windows first
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Been cleaning windows perfectly fine for 4 years wfp I really don't see why people wanna buy this product, some people just wanna throw there money away 😄 have you guys lost the plot seriously
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I tried the stuff because they said it increases speed , I was fed up off getting behind with work so I tried it and it does speed your work up mines by at least a third . I havent done this to earn more money I would like to try n get early finish even have odd saturdays of . Dont care what anyone says its up to me if I want to use this stuff and im not wasting my money it pays for itself
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Been cleaning windows perfectly fine for 4 years wfp I really don't see why people wanna buy this product, some people just wanna throw there money away have you guys lost the plot seriously
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I haven't bought one bottle yet! ;D
Should get mine today. Already seen people comment about taking the formula apart and working out what it is ::)roll
Don't think I will bother after watching vid , was hoping that it would give
a hydrophilic effect when drying doesn't look that way so no use to me :)
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got mine yesterday but try it prob tomorrow on my windows first
Its no good on your nuts mate. Stick to using it on glass and leave it there.
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This speeds up a third and hot water a third.With all the time saved we will be cleaning glass before we even exit the van soon. I am still trying to find out what its made to do. If we don`t know how do we know it works. B S baffles brains I feel. We are a gullible bunch.
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I'm sceptical. Not gullible. I've bought a bottle and am interested to see if it either makes my working life easier, makes it more profitable or both.
At the moment I'm viewing it as if I'd just invested in a new style brush, we all have to try things out to see if we benefit from them. If I like the brush I'll probably buy another.
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I've used about 8 different brush styles in my time I guess. I'm perfectly satisfied after trying different ones with the type I use these days.
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I am still trying to find out what its made to do. If we don`t know how do we know it works. B S baffles brains I feel. We are a gullible bunch.
Its designed to reduce spotting, add a little extra cleaning power and give a better shine. ;)
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Is it suitable if using a hot wfp system?
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Is it suitable if using a hot wfp system?
According to the experts - yes it is. :)
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i'd like to try this stuff but running di bottles after water in tank it wouldnt be worth it as they say it strips it but i do wonder though all these companies that build expensive pure water systems havent brought any additives out to add to your water or is it because wfp is all about pure water with nothing added?
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Thanks nat, I've ordered some to give it a go ;)
Is it suitable if using a hot wfp system?
According to the experts - yes it is. :)
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This speeds up a third and hot water a third.With all the time saved we will be cleaning glass before we even exit the van soon. I am still trying to find out what its made to do. If we don`t know how do we know it works. B S baffles brains I feel. We are a gullible bunch.
With 2/3's of the work already done, if we could think of one more thing to save time we'd be laughing.
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Gary999 if you bottled your tap water you could make a fortune on here ;D
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I tried the stuff because they said it increases speed , I was fed up off getting behind with work so I tried it and it does speed your work up mines by at least a third . I havent done this to earn more money I would like to try n get early finish even have odd saturdays of . Dont care what anyone says its up to me if I want to use this stuff and im not wasting my money it pays for itself
How does it speed your work up? Genuine question, I'll buy if it's true.
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I will try it at a later date in the new year to satisfy my self. If Bushy was not involved it would make it easy to trust but he has been involved in pulling the wool so it will have to prove itself. I believe its a product rebottled as it will take a lot of chemistry know how to make a product like this and I don`t believe these chaps got the knowledge to do this. Its not easy to make a product like this.
I would not be surprised considering Bushravy is involve that this Vision in just G 101 diluted and bottled and sold to us as a new product. Adding a smell is the easy part. Someone should try G 101 in a diluted form and see if if it has the same results.
The more I think of it more it makes sense ::)roll ::)roll ::)roll ::)roll.
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I bought a bottle but it's no use to me. I have D.I after the tank.
Do'h!
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Do you actually know these guy slap bash
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I bought a little bottle of magic and it knocked a third off the cleaning time.
This stuff should really needs to be on the shopping channel ;D
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Am I the only one that dosnt have a clue what vision is?
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Am I the only one that dosnt have a clue what vision is?
Yes.
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Am I the only one that dosnt have a clue what vision is?
This one trippy .
http://jigsaw-innovations.co.uk/product/vision-single-pack/
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We used it today and tested against the normal,
1. It is defiantly concentrated you can see and smell it in the tank
2. It bubbles a bit on the glass looks good I think and the bubbles dry to nothing
3. It feals slippery a little in use a little like squeegy glide used to, it's quite a nice dealing actually
4. Drys quickly , a bit like rain x on a windscreen, doesn't leave marks or anything so bonus
5. We rince and scrub at the same time so are quick anyways however it seems to defiantly improve any spotting issues so gives you more confidence when being quick
6. Hydrophobic windows are slightly improved when scrubbing and rinsing at the same time and leaving the brush on the glass, however whenwe tested brush off the glass with fan jets the rinse is vastly improved , but as I say if you clean normally the spotting is defiantly improved , we were trying to clean as quick as possible and it was difficult to make windows spot
All three of us liked is , it's not a micicle and doesn't clean the window for you but it does what they claim and is 100% noticeable in use we will use this product from now on
I'm not affiliated to the product but am glad to answer any questions on our experience
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Thanks for the honest review Michael Peterson , I'm glad that yourself and your 3 staff enjoyed using it .
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I will try it at a later date in the new year to satisfy my self. If Bushy was not involved it would make it easy to trust but he has been involved in pulling the wool so it will have to prove itself. I believe its a product rebottled as it will take a lot of chemistry know how to make a product like this and I don`t believe these chaps got the knowledge to do this. Its not easy to make a product like this.
I would not be surprised considering Bushravy is involve that this Vision in just G 101 diluted and bottled and sold to us as a new product. Adding a smell is the easy part. Someone should try G 101 in a diluted form and see if if it has the same results.
The more I think of it more it makes sense ::)roll ::)roll ::)roll ::)roll.
Hi slap bash,
As I've said before, we have done the hard work and testing so you don't have to. For as little as £1 per week are you really going to start experimenting on your customers windows and potentially leaving a poor job? We've been there and done that unfortunately. :(
I know you won't believe me, but I promise you this is not g101 or even anything even remotely similar.
You cannot go anywhere in the world and buy vision other then through ourselves. We've sourced the ingredients and experimented using different ratios of All the components, and eventually we have a product we all firmly believe in.
It does get frustrating that some people feel we are just rebranding a current product, and to be honest if you start putting random chemicals and ingredients into your pure water, you will soon see that what we have in vision is really unique.
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Professor Johnny, are you changing the molecular structure of the water?
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Professor Johnny, are you changing the molecular structure of the water?
It wouldn't be wise of me to go into it too much detail Dave. Thankfully because I'm no professor. :)
There are many other factors involved. I start to get out of my depth very quickly as I'm just a window cleaner after all. :)
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That's what worries me :o
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That's what worries me :o
It is complicated though, and I am no professor.lol
Everything is 100% safe. Vision in its diluted state is just like pure with a bit of a kick to it. It Gives glass a deeper clean, but still has all the good properties that you want pure h20 to have.
We've also had vision tested to determine if it is safe on double glazing sealed units etc and everything came back safe.
There's nothing to worry about Dave.
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Professor Johnny, are you changing the molecular structure of the water?
It wouldn't be wise of me to go into it too much detail Dave. Thankfully because I'm no professor. :)
There are many other factors involved. I start to get out of my depth very quickly as I'm just a window cleaner after all. :)
Well said jonny, well said ;D ;D
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I'm interested in how it does what it's supposed to do. It sounds like you've blended a couple of fluids without much thought or knowledge and found it seems to work rather than working from the ground up so to speak. Are you blending them yourself?
I come from a printing background where surface tension of pure water is altered using isopropanol. Obviously you haven't gone down this route so it seems more likely it's detergent/soap based. Good luck though - I'm going to watch this thread a bit longer and see how everyone gets on.
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I'm interested in how it does what it's supposed to do. It sounds like you've blended a couple of fluids without much thought or knowledge and found it seems to work rather than working from the ground up so to speak. Are you blending them yourself?
I come from a printing background where surface tension of pure water is altered using isopropanol. Obviously you haven't gone down this route so it seems more likely it's detergent/soap based. Good luck though - I'm going to watch this thread a bit longer and see how everyone gets on.
I can see how it seems a bit suspect, a few window cleaners brewing a concoction and then selling it to the public, but All the parts of vision are bought from specific and reputable suppliers, and then we put them in their correct ratios with which we have the safety data sheet made up specifically for.
I don't blame you waiting to see more reviews. I'd probably be the same. :)
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to be honest, I couldn't care if it was horse p, the product does do what the lads say and will save me more than it costs in time, its not a miracle product but noticeably does work.
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Jonny - Did you design it with one tail or two??
I'm in the 'wait n see' club but would definitely be interested in the faster rinsing element.
Glenn
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We used it today and tested against the normal,
1. It is defiantly concentrated you can see and smell it in the tank
2. It bubbles a bit on the glass looks good I think and the bubbles dry to nothing
3. It feals slippery a little in use a little like squeegy glide used to, it's quite a nice dealing actually
4. Drys quickly , a bit like rain x on a windscreen, doesn't leave marks or anything so bonus
5. We rince and scrub at the same time so are quick anyways however it seems to defiantly improve any spotting issues so gives you more confidence when being quick
6. Hydrophobic windows are slightly improved when scrubbing and rinsing at the same time and leaving the brush on the glass, however whenwe tested brush off the glass with fan jets the rinse is vastly improved , but as I say if you clean normally the spotting is defiantly improved , we were trying to clean as quick as possible and it was difficult to make windows spot
All three of us liked is , it's not a micicle and doesn't clean the window for you but it does what they claim and is 100% noticeable in use we will use this product from now on
I'm not affiliated to the product but am glad to answer any questions on our experience
So what your saying is up until now your have been leaving the windows spotted but your now leaving less spots.
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Jonny - Did you design it with one tail or two??
I'm in the 'wait n see' club but would definitely be interested in the faster rinsing element.
Glenn
Wikipedia strikes again. ;D
Or do you mean amphoteric?
As I said, it is complicated. But the main thing to know is......all our testers and customers so far unanimously say that vision works very well. :)
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anythings worth a bash, im sure there where massive doubts about pure water when window cleaners started using it... still is.
how , where do we buy this mysterious vision ???
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really would like to try this if these claims of faster work really do save time unfortunatly i run di, maybe somone needs to design a feeder system in the line after the di bottles?
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I'm interested in how it does what it's supposed to do. It sounds like you've blended a couple of fluids without much thought or knowledge and found it seems to work rather than working from the ground up so to speak. Are you blending them yourself?
I come from a printing background where surface tension of pure water is altered using isopropanol. Obviously you haven't gone down this route so it seems more likely it's detergent/soap based. Good luck though - I'm going to watch this thread a bit longer and see how everyone gets on.
intresting,in summer try propanol a for slower drying times dave,iso is ok but not the be all,as you know its a wetting agent for the printing industustry to make the ink flow better(the use of di water has improved this process even further now).
vision amongst other "mixes"that have been developed have ALL been built from the ground up not just flash from sainsbury's and a bit of fairy added,it takes a long long while to formulate something like vision and the others,a lot of research not just by ourselves but we are aided by chemists as and when we need them,as for one or two tails?i'd go one tail and two heads to answer the question but why two heads when you can cleverly use just the one?
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really would like to try this if these claims of faster work really do save time unfortunatly i run di, maybe somone needs to design a feeder system in the line after the di bottles?
i did make a stystem for the di guys this year cheshire to see how it went-it was fine,i didn't have any big issues with it,so yes it can be done mate,might do a video for the website in how to make one so you can use vision for yourself
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Kevin was you on wfp academy a few years back? I believe you was developing this then? You promised me a bottle then, never got it >:( ;D
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Kevin was you on wfp academy a few years back? I believe you was developing this then? You promised me a bottle then, never got it >:( ;D
He's getting old mate. You've got to forgive him. ;D
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Kevin was you on wfp academy a few years back? I believe you was developing this then? You promised me a bottle then, never got it >:( ;D
damo yes i did,things went other ways personally and i am old and i do forget sorry about that,it wasn't anywhere near as good as this anyway
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No worries. I heard it was vinegar anyway. I kid. I kid.
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No worries. I heard it was vinegar anyway. I kid. I kid.
sshhh,letting all the secrets out!!!,glad you like vision
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I'm interested in how it does what it's supposed to do. It sounds like you've blended a couple of fluids without much thought or knowledge and found it seems to work rather than working from the ground up so to speak. Are you blending them yourself?
I come from a printing background where surface tension of pure water is altered using isopropanol. Obviously you haven't gone down this route so it seems more likely it's detergent/soap based. Good luck though - I'm going to watch this thread a bit longer and see how everyone gets on.
intresting,in summer try propanol a for slower drying times dave,iso is ok but not the be all,as you know its a wetting agent for the printing industustry to make the ink flow better(the use of di water has improved this process even further now).
vision anumptyst other "mixes"that have been developed have ALL been built from the ground up not just flash from sainsbury's and a bit of fairy added,it takes a long long while to formulate something like vision and the others,a lot of research not just by ourselves but we are aided by chemists as and when we need them,as for one or two tails?i'd go one tail and two heads to answer the question but why two heads when you can cleverly use just the one?
Nothing to do with ink flow. It's used in the Litho process on printing presses to get the thinest coating of water on a plate as possible so yes a wetting agent. However it's used in much larger doses and temperature controlled. The ph of the ro water also has to be controlled but for different reasons. Iso was banded about on here as an antifreeze but the guys were claiming wonderful results too but at such small doses it would never work but they believed in it.
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I'm interested in how it does what it's supposed to do. It sounds like you've blended a couple of fluids without much thought or knowledge and found it seems to work rather than working from the ground up so to speak. Are you blending them yourself?
I come from a printing background where surface tension of pure water is altered using isopropanol. Obviously you haven't gone down this route so it seems more likely it's detergent/soap based. Good luck though - I'm going to watch this thread a bit longer and see how everyone gets on.
intresting,in summer try propanol a for slower drying times dave,iso is ok but not the be all,as you know its a wetting agent for the printing industustry to make the ink flow better(the use of di water has improved this process even further now).
vision anumptyst other "mixes"that have been developed have ALL been built from the ground up not just flash from sainsbury's and a bit of fairy added,it takes a long long while to formulate something like vision and the others,a lot of research not just by ourselves but we are aided by chemists as and when we need them,as for one or two tails?i'd go one tail and two heads to answer the question but why two heads when you can cleverly use just the one?
Nothing to do with ink flow. It's used in the Litho process on printing presses to get the thinest coating of water on a plate as possible so yes a wetting agent. However it's used in much larger doses and temperature controlled. The ph of the ro water also has to be controlled but for different reasons. Iso was banded about on here as an antifreeze but the guys were claiming wonderful results too but at such small doses it would never work but they believed in it.
Dave as a ex Minder I think its a alcohol based fount.
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Fount is to control the ph and keep the ph very slightly acidic - can't see it would be much use for window cleaning. Isopropanol would and so would ethanol but you'd have a job to control it for our purposes. Several guys have chucked it in their tanks and got the bubbling effect similar to Vision. If Vision was isopropanol then the spec sheet would need to be changed and the smell masked pretty well.
I wouldn't fancy breathing in either of the above even in very dilute form - those days of using dodgy chemicals are over for me. Fan jets anyone?
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For me on domestics just pure is fast enough - i know a windy who lost a fair few jobs for being too quick regardless of the fact his windows were good. Be careful sometimes too quick can upset a few custies, even if it does work that is.
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Good point
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For me on domestics just pure is fast enough - i know a windy who lost a fair few jobs for being too quick regardless of the fact his windows were good. Be careful sometimes too quick can upset a few custies, even if it does work that is.
I get complaints like that sometimes.
'Are your windows clean?'
'I'm not saying they're not clean just that they were done too fast'
???
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For me on domestics just pure is fast enough - i know a windy who lost a fair few jobs for being too quick regardless of the fact his windows were good. Be careful sometimes too quick can upset a few custies, even if it does work that is.
I get complaints like that sometimes.
'Are your windows clean?'
'I'm not saying they're not clean just that they were done too fast'
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Tbh this windy is a good mate and i heard it from a custies son who sacked him. I asked him if his windows were clean though and he goes 'well...er yeah' - for some they just assume you are taking a liberty regardless.
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;D
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For me on domestics just pure is fast enough - i know a windy who lost a fair few jobs for being too quick regardless of the fact his windows were good. Be careful sometimes too quick can upset a few custies, even if it does work that is.
I know what fount dose Dave, its is a wetting agent it might be a fount that has been adapted, I spoke with frank yesterday about it and we came up with buy a bottle and give it to someone I know and let him see what's in it.
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For me on domestics just pure is fast enough - i know a windy who lost a fair few jobs for being too quick regardless of the fact his windows were good. Be careful sometimes too quick can upset a few custies, even if it does work that is.
I know what fount dose Dave, its is a wetting agent it might be a fount that has been adapted, I spoke with frank yesterday about it and we came up with buy a bottle and give it to someone I know and let him see what's in it.
Unfortunately that is already in progress. On another forum some guys missus works for Britvic or whatever it is. So she is gonna find out what's in it. The post got deleted. Bang out of order if you ask me. But that's life eh.
Spoke to a chap who has been using it for some time and he has purchased an off the shelf product for 3.49 for 100ml and so far it seems to be doing the same. He has kinda let on what it is. Just need to test myself in a trolley. Nobody likes anyone to do well lol. If it's a product made from scratch. Fair play. I have my doubts. Sorry but I do.
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For me on domestics just pure is fast enough - i know a windy who lost a fair few jobs for being too quick regardless of the fact his windows were good. Be careful sometimes too quick can upset a few custies, even if it does work that is.
I know what fount dose Dave, its is a wetting agent it might be a fount that has been adapted, I spoke with frank yesterday about it and we came up with buy a bottle and give it to someone I know and let him see what's in it.
Unfortunately that is already in progress. On another forum some guys missus works for Britvic or whatever it is. So she is gonna find out what's in it. The post got deleted. Bang out of order if you ask me. But that's life eh.
Spoke to a chap who has been using it for some time and he has purchased an off the shelf product for 3.49 for 100ml and so far it seems to be doing the same. He has kinda let on what it is. Just need to test myself in a trolley. Nobody likes anyone to do well lol. If it's a product made from scratch. Fair play. I have my doubts. Sorry but I do.
I'd really be interested to know what the said product is mate? I'm very confident it isn't what we have.
Not much cheaper either?
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Spoke to a chap who has been using it for some time and he has purchased an off the shelf product for 3.49 for 100ml and so far it seems to be doing the same. He has kinda let on what it is. Just need to test myself in a trolley. Nobody likes anyone to do well lol. If it's a product made from scratch. Fair play. I have my doubts. Sorry but I do.
So why don't you tell us what it is that he has bought?
This is the second time you've done this, made an insinuation about another product with regards to Vision, without naming it or him, why are you being so secretive? Just bloody say for crying out loud - stop being a dickhead and say.
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I'd really be interested to know what the said product is mate? I'm very confident it isn't what we have.
Not much cheaper either?
Half the price actually.
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Spoke to a chap who has been using it for some time and he has purchased an off the shelf product for 3.49 for 100ml and so far it seems to be doing the same. He has kinda let on what it is. Just need to test myself in a trolley. Nobody likes anyone to do well lol. If it's a product made from scratch. Fair play. I have my doubts. Sorry but I do.
So why don't you tell us what it is that he has bought?
This is the second time you've done this, made an insinuation about another product with regards to Vision, without naming it or him, why are you being so secretive? Just bloody say for crying out loud - stop being a dickhead and say.
Yep +1
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We are 100% confident that any product that is bought off the shelf is not vision.
Anyone who wants to go to the extent of testing to try and found out what is in it is more than welcome too. This costs a lot of money and time, potentially running into the thousands. Some seem to think it is a case of sticking a piece or litmus paper in and finding out what it contains.
If anyone feels that vision is rebranded and they know what vision contains then PLEASE feel free to enlighten us all? That way you can conduct your own side by side test and see that vision wins hands down.
We are genuine guys and really have nothing to hide here.
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We are 100% confident that any product that is bought off the shelf is not vision.
Anyone who wants to go to the extent of testing to try and found it is more than welcome too. This costs a lot of money and time. Some seem to think it is a case of sticking a piece or litmus paper in and finding out what it contains.
If anyone feels that vision is rebranded and they know what vision contains then PLEASE feel free to enlighten us all? That way you can conduct your own side by side test and see that vision wins hands down.
We are genuine guys and really have nothing to hide here.
I I Jonny :)
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ive heard its just sugar free vimto ;D
if anyone makes up something to put in the hose line so it feeds in after the di i'd be interested in trying this out to see if i can get through work quicker without doing a worse job!
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For me on domestics just pure is fast enough - i know a windy who lost a fair few jobs for being too quick regardless of the fact his windows were good. Be careful sometimes too quick can upset a few custies, even if it does work that is.
I know what fount dose Dave, its is a wetting agent it might be a fount that has been adapted, I spoke with frank yesterday about it and we came up with buy a bottle and give it to someone I know and let him see what's in it.
Unfortunately that is already in progress. On another forum some guys missus works for Britvic or whatever it is. So she is gonna find out what's in it. The post got deleted. Bang out of order if you ask me. But that's life eh.
Spoke to a chap who has been using it for some time and he has purchased an off the shelf product for 3.49 for 100ml and so far it seems to be doing the same. He has kinda let on what it is. Just need to test myself in a trolley. Nobody likes anyone to do well lol. If it's a product made from scratch. Fair play. I have my doubts. Sorry but I do.
I'd really be interested to know what the said product is mate? I'm very confident it isn't what we have.
Not much cheaper either?
Will email you mate anddddd what ya email address?
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Spoke to a chap who has been using it for some time and he has purchased an off the shelf product for 3.49 for 100ml and so far it seems to be doing the same. He has kinda let on what it is. Just need to test myself in a trolley. Nobody likes anyone to do well lol. If it's a product made from scratch. Fair play. I have my doubts. Sorry but I do.
So why don't you tell us what it is that he has bought?
This is the second time you've done this, made an insinuation about another product with regards to Vision, without naming it or him, why are you being so secretive? Just bloody say for crying out loud - stop being a dickhead and say.
Will reply In a proper way so I don't get banned.
What's these products then?
Is it the new light weight pole called neon? And vision?
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Thanks damo.
I really don't mind if you want to mention it on here though too. Email is
Shop@jigsaw-innovations.co.uk
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Not a loaded question here, perhaps I'm showing my ignorance, but
If you really have nothing to hide then why are you not providing details of the active ingredients? Most established products give details on the label.
Unless perhaps you don't have a patent pending and you are testing the market before a potential competitor copies or improves?
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Perhaps it's already been patented by someone else :)
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Not a loaded question here, perhaps I'm showing my ignorance, but
If you really have nothing to hide then why are you not providing details of the active ingredients? Most established products give details on the label.
Unless perhaps you don't have a patent pending and you are testing the market before a potential competitor copies or improves?
Pj you have seen how much interest already there has been in dissecting and finding out what the ingredients are in vision, Imagine if we put that on the label.....there would be copy cat additives very soon we feel.
We are just trying to protect ourselves as much as possible.
We have provided everything we need to by law, and there is no real need to disclose anything else.
The msds sheet contains the active ingredients etc and legal jargon that is needed.
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who cares whats in it, all this talking and cant seem to find any answers to if it actually works
who has used it? does it work?
dont care if its got pish in it as long as it works ;D
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who cares whats in it, all this talking and cant seem to find any answers to if it actually works
who has used it? does it work?
dont care if its got pish in it as long as it works ;D
Cant agree more mate. Set off ***on here. :D Give the guy a break.
Would you tell everyone what was in it? NO! he wants to get some money out of it. So he should if it works. He messed about putting wee and stuff in water, so why should we benefit for free?
Ill be trying a pot. Nothing ventured nothing gained
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Anybody local to beds bucks cambs is more than welcome to a squirt from me ;D
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just ordered some, got my scientist waiting to break it apart ::)roll
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So if its that good why cant you use it before you pump through resin? I bet Doug at Daz services will know what it is.
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So if its that good why cant you use it before you pump through resin? I bet Doug at Daz services will know what it is.
Now I know why most on hear clean poop off windows for a living lmao.
Any chemical could screw the properties of the resin, or the resin will remove the chemical. Not rocket science really ;D
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When my bottle is used up I will be getting some more got through work quicker and used less water I don't care whats in it as long as it works and is safe.
Would like to know the following
1 whats the shelf life of bottle
2 whats shelf life when mixed
3 is it affected by frost as its stored in unheated garage
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So if its that good why cant you use it before you pump through resin? I bet Doug at Daz services will know what it is.
Now I know why most on hear clean poop off windows for a living lmao.
Any chemical could screw the properties of the resin, or the resin will remove the chemical. Not rocket science really ;D
Is that because they don't know how to spell properly?
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When my bottle is used up I will be getting some more got through work quicker and used less water I don't care whats in it as long as it works and is safe.
Would like to know the following
1 whats the shelf life of bottle
2 whats shelf life when mixed
3 is it affected by frost as its stored in unheated garage
Shelf life is far longer than it needs to be. We've had some stored in bottles for over a year now and is still absoloutely fine, we can't give an exact time yet but we are confident it will be way longer than it is likely to be stored for.
Shelf life when mixed is the same.
Frost will only effect it in that it gets a bit thicker/denser. Just like water.
No other negatives to it.
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Does it make all windows act like hydrophilic?
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Does it make all windows act like hydrophilic?
Not all windows no. But it does with the majority.
If you have severely hydrophobic windows then after a few cleans you should notice them start to improve as the more you use vision the easier windows become.
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So if its that good why cant you use it before you pump through resin? I bet Doug at Daz services will know what it is.
Now I know why most on hear clean poop off windows for a living lmao.
Any chemical could screw the properties of the resin, or the resin will remove the chemical. Not rocket science really ;D
I'm afraid your missing the point read the question again and think how most systems are built. Its tongue in cheek :-*
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Does it make all windows act like hydrophilic?
Not all windows no. But it does with the majority.
If you have severely hydrophobic windows then after a few cleans you should notice them start to improve as the more you use vision the easier windows become.
Does this mean it coats the windows? Do they get dirtier?
Tried it out in another van today (commercial jobs) He came back 2 hours earlier and said it made a massive improvement on rinsing. MASSIVE. We went back and checked in low sun (dreading the results) Bloody perfect. But i trained the lad, so what do you expect ;)
After about 2 hours of solid cleaning, he was only rinsing about 25% of the glass.
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Does it make all windows act like hydrophilic?
Not all windows no. But it does with the majority.
If you have severely hydrophobic windows then after a few cleans you should notice them start to improve as the more you use vision the easier windows become.
Does this mean it coats the windows? Do they get dirtier?
Tried it out in another van today (commercial jobs) He came back 2 hours earlier and said it made a massive improvement on rinsing. MASSIVE. We went back and checked in low sun (dreading the results) Bloody perfect. But i trained the lad, so what do you expect ;)
After about 2 hours of solid cleaning, he was only rinsing about 25% of the glass.
It doesn't coat the glass mate, but just gives it a deeper clean, which seems to make them easier to rinse after each visit.
We've found that if anything they stay a little bit cleaner, not massively, but definitely noticeable. That helps to make each repeated visit easier too.
I'd expect nothing less than perfect Results if he's had the damo training. ;D
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Awesome that Pure H2O..
Great that you have actually used the product and reviewed it honestly .
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I don't get this - sorry :)
With our job you can't actually see the dirt coming off the glass unless it's a baked on poo. So how do you know it's cleaning 25% faster? You can't. Is the water running down the glass 25% faster - doubt it. Are your arms going 25% faster?
I think the claims are well over the top.
Rinsing on the glass saves time but you won't get those kind of gains.
Johnny has been pretty honest so far and hasn't claimed vast improvements from his own product just that it can help sheeting on some glass and seems to add a shine.
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I don't get this - sorry :)
With our job you can't actually see the dirt coming off the glass unless it's a baked on poo. So how do you know it's cleaning 20% faster? You can't. Is the water running down the glass 20% faster - doubt it. Are your arms going 20% faster?
I think the claims are well over the top.
It's bloody weird I tell you. My ou can see the water accelerate down the glass on rinsing. Very strange and very weird.
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all sounds pretty awesome to me, cant wait too try it
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I don't get this - sorry :)
With our job you can't actually see the dirt coming off the glass unless it's a baked on poo. So how do you know it's cleaning 25% faster? You can't. Is the water running down the glass 25% faster - doubt it. Are your arms going 25% faster?
I think the claims are well over the top.
Rinsing on the glass saves time but you won't get those kind of gains.
Johnny has been pretty honest so far and hasn't claimed vast improvements from his own product just that it can help sheeting on some glass and seems to add a shine.
It is a funny thing Dave, and really hard to explain, but for every positive comment on here though I've had about 5 emails from people experiencing the same thing so it's definitely not a placebo effect or just coincidence.
It's one of those things that you feel more than you can explain.
For me as well as the cleaning power, I really notice the saving in speed on the final rinse. Wheras before I was rinsing with the brush off the glass in a zig zag motion to flush the water off, now I can just do a very quick rinse of about the top third and then it all just rinses down.
It's not a very technical explanation, lol but it's the best way to explain it without seeing it in person.
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So if its that good why cant you use it before you pump through resin? I bet Doug at Daz services will know what it is.
Now I know why most on hear clean poop off windows for a living lmao.
Any chemical could screw the properties of the resin, or the resin will remove the chemical. Not rocket science really ;D
Is that because they don't know how to spell properly?
HERE not hear lOL
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How many people have to say it works a treat dave before your convinced, I bet if alex gardiner comes on here n says its awsome stuff I bet your oder goes in
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So if its that good why cant you use it before you pump through resin? I bet Doug at Daz services will know what it is.
Now I know why most on hear clean poop off windows for a living lmao.
Any chemical could screw the properties of the resin, or the resin will remove the chemical. Not rocket science really ;D
Is that because they don't know how to spell properly?
HERE not hear lOL
Woops to much wine :-\
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So if its that good why cant you use it before you pump through resin? I bet Doug at Daz services will know what it is.
Now I know why most on hear clean poop off windows for a living lmao.
Any chemical could screw the properties of the resin, or the resin will remove the chemical. Not rocket science really ;D
Is that because they don't know how to spell properly?
HERE not hear lOL
Woops to much wine :-\
Too not to :P
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i do find it hard to except that you spent thousands on it,when poor old kempy moans about the cost of buying a fuse ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
good luck to you guys,wish you all the best, ;)
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i do find it hard to except that you spent thousands on it,when poor old kempy moans about the cost of buying a fuse ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
good luck to you guys,wish you all the best, ;)
A post turned to grammatical errors and this comes up, Franky? ;D
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i told u it was good demo 8)
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this mix is the king like me oushhhhhh ;D
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A fuse !! Lost me there .
Dave Willis - why say so much and be so negative on something you have never used .
Try it , and then either post negative or positive .
or never buy it and just chill out .
We haven't claimed Vision to be this n that . All I can say is That I really enjoy using it.
Most persons have too .
For some reason Dave your very negative on a product you have never tried .
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No not negative about the product - it probably does what is claimed which is improve sheeting on some glass it's the daft claims that some users have come out with that don't make sense to me.
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A fuse !! Lost me there .
Dave Willis - why say so much and be so negative on something you have never used .
Try it , and then either post negative or positive .
or never buy it and just chill out .
We haven't claimed Vision to be this n that . All I can say is That I really enjoy using it.
Most persons have too .
For some reason Dave your very negative on a product you have never tried .
Like I said - send me a bottle - I'll put some in Dan the Man's tank when he comes to fill up and after a week i'll ask him if he went quicker.
SIMPLES.
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Kempy you need to remember that by flogging a product via a forum we sre entitled to talk about it, question it or anything else. I don't have to buy it and you can't prevent anyone critisizing it. ;)
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A fuse !! Lost me there .
Dave Willis - why say so much and be so negative on something you have never used .
Try it , and then either post negative or positive .
or never buy it and just chill out .
We haven't claimed Vision to be this n that . All I can say is That I really enjoy using it.
Most persons have too .
For some reason Dave your very negative on a product you have never tried .
Like I said - send me a bottle - I'll put some in Dan the Man's tank when he comes to fill up and after a week i'll ask him if he went quicker.
SIMPLES.
With all the respect in the world Granville.......we really don't need to do that. Pure h20 already has done this with his dad and his dad noticed the benefits. There really isn't any point in us sending out free samples all over the place to people who don't think it will work in the hope to change their mind.
It's only £18.98 for a bottle that should last you about three months.
If you don't want to try it out that is absolutely fine and completely your choice. Thankfully lots of people are purchasing it and really find it beneficial.
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Why not plenty of companies send out free samples to win customers, Gold has set you a simple challenge
so what have you got to lose if you have as much faith in it as you say you have.
Go on prove all us doubters wrong once and for all.
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I think some small free samples could be good? Enough for 1-2days work really wouldn't cost you guys alot put it in a tiny bottle you could even charge the postage if necessary. I would happily use it all year every year and know alot that would. A small free sample wouldn't be such a bad idea
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I think some small free samples could be good? Enough for 1-2days work really wouldn't cost you guys alot put it in a tiny bottle you could even charge the postage if necessary. I would happily use it all year every year and know alot that would. A small free sample wouldn't be such a bad idea
It would be if the product didn't work, think about it if a few thousand spend £18 and only buy once its still a nice earner.
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I think some small free samples could be good? Enough for 1-2days work really wouldn't cost you guys alot put it in a tiny bottle you could even charge the postage if necessary. I would happily use it all year every year and know alot that would. A small free sample wouldn't be such a bad idea
It would be if the product didn't work, think about it if a few thousand spend £18 and only buy once its still a nice earner.
Give us a break Sean.
You have people on here reviewing it saying it works. Why would we carry on sending out free samples? That would then make the those who have purchased it feel a bit hard done by.
We offer a money back guarantee. Aslong as you return the bottle with more than 75% of the contents in it, and pay the postage, we will refund you the £14.99.
What more do you want????
Some people just like to moan and complain unfortunately.
I think I need to not reply to silly questions on here anymore. It's becoming detrimental to my health. Lol
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I wouldn't worry about it jonny the world wouldn't be the same I if everyone was the same , you know what the window cleaners saying is dump the moaners and replace with better customers ;D
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There is a window cleaner that I talk to n hes the same doesnt like change only talk to him if I have to pain in the rear he is
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There is a window cleaner that I talk to n hes the same doesnt like change only talk to him if I have to pain in the rear he is
jk999, did you ever hear the saying, If you are warm and happy keep your mouth shut
I think at this stage the other lads would prefer it if you would.
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I think some small free samples could be good? Enough for 1-2days work really wouldn't cost you guys alot put it in a tiny bottle you could even charge the postage if necessary. I would happily use it all year every year and know alot that would. A small free sample wouldn't be such a bad idea
It would be if the product didn't work, think about it if a few thousand spend £18 and only buy once its still a nice earner.
Very true and very little spent on advertising. It shouldn't hurt the pocket if you sent a small sample to the three most critical/sceptical of members. :)
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Thought it was going to be a simple poll Would you buy Vision again and first line was" For those that have used it only" .
Now people want to slag off the product without using it .What part of" for those that have used it only" don't people understand ? .
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Thought it was going to be a simple poll Would you buy Vision again and first line was" For those that have used it only" .
Now people want to slag off the product without using it .What part of" for those that have used it only" don't people understand ? .
A very good point.
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Kempy you need to remember that by flogging a product via a forum we sre entitled to talk about it, question it or anything else. I don't have to buy it and you can't prevent anyone critisizing it. ;)
How can you criticise when you haven't used it ?
Talk about it - yes
Question it - yes
Criticise -- ?? Seems a strange one that .
Maybe read some of the reviews !!!
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Thought it was going to be a simple poll Would you buy Vision again and first line was" For those that have used it only" .
Now people want to slag off the product without using it .What part of" for those that have used it only" don't people understand ? .
Very good point, i have obviously voted yes. 24 people have voted no ::)roll I love coming on here for a laugh. It's great watching people explode and get all wound up over something so trivial. Funny how these £500 a day heroes haven't come on here to post about it. Thought they would be the first to try it. If it means they can earn even more. LOL just LOL. Maybe they are keeping it a secret though. I always wave at them tho. You cant miss em.
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Why not plenty of companies send out free samples to win customers, Gold has set you a simple challenge
so what have you got to lose if you have as much faith in it as you say you have.
Go on prove all us doubters wrong once and for all.
Ive not used this product so cant comment on it. But if a customer were to say the same to you the first thing you'd do would be whining and moaning on here about people taking liberties, how you flounced off down the path, told her to 'do one' bla bla bla, we'd never hear the end of it.
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Postman slow down your way Matt ???
Most people get their bottle in about forty five minutes on here.
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I am still waiting ;)
Was hoping it'd be here Friday, should be here today hopefully. Im also expecting my 10LPM pump, new hoses and two new poles ;)
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It's Christmas delivery s are always slower this time of year . And if I want to speak up I will
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Thought it was going to be a simple poll Would you buy Vision again and first line was" For those that have used it only" .
Now people want to slag off the product without using it .What part of" for those that have used it only" don't people understand ? .
Very good point, i have obviously voted yes. 24 people have voted no ::)roll I love coming on here for a laugh. It's great watching people explode and get all wound up over something so trivial. Funny how these £500 a day heroes haven't come on here to post about it. Thought they would be the first to try it. If it means they can earn even more. LOL just LOL. Maybe they are keeping it a secret though. I always wave at them tho. You cant miss em.
Because they're are not the guys its marketed for, its marketed for guys who are a bit unsure about how WFP works and maybe
don't trust the cleaning power, not for the guys who are already making a good living and don't need to fix something that
isn't broken.
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Thought it was going to be a simple poll Would you buy Vision again and first line was" For those that have used it only" .
Now people want to slag off the product without using it .What part of" for those that have used it only" don't people understand ? .
Very good point, i have obviously voted yes. 24 people have voted no ::)roll I love coming on here for a laugh. It's great watching people explode and get all wound up over something so trivial. Funny how these £500 a day heroes haven't come on here to post about it. Thought they would be the first to try it. If it means they can earn even more. LOL just LOL. Maybe they are keeping it a secret though. I always wave at them tho. You cant miss em.
Because they're are not the guys its marketed for, its marketed for guys who are a bit unsure about how WFP works and maybe
don't trust the cleaning power, not for the guys who are already making a good living and don't need to fix something that
isn't broken.
Very true. Why would you want to make even more money by saving time. Silly me. That's where I am going wrong.
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I wonder are these same people who say you cant criticise something if you haven't used it the same people
who criticised Ionics parts per billion system without having used it.
Personally I haven't read a single criticism about this product on both of the Vision posts, just people questioning
the claims that the guys selling the product have made and coming to a judgment going by their own experiences
in window cleaning just like others did with the Ionics system.
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the same people who criticised Ionics parts per billion system without having used it.
Now in all fairness - the ionics PPB system is 99.3% marketing bull poo, as has been mathematically proven many times on here before,..
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Thought it was going to be a simple poll Would you buy Vision again and first line was" For those that have used it only" .
Now people want to slag off the product without using it .What part of" for those that have used it only" don't people understand ? .
The Poll states "only for those that have used vision would you buy it again" and the Topic states "Would you buy vision again" ;)
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I wonder are these same people who say you cant criticise something if you haven't used it the same people
who criticised Ionics parts per billion system without having used it.
Personally I haven't read a single criticism about this product on both of the Vision posts, just people questioning
the claims that the guys selling the product have made and coming to a judgment going by their own experiences
in window cleaning just like others did with the Ionics system.
Incorrect. I have posted these in the main thread.
Water left behind is more slippery.
I am having to calibrate system several times during the day as it keeps DE.
I personally do not like the smell.
One user stated bubbles can make it hard to see dirt left when rinsing.
So that's four from just two users
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I am having to calibrate system several times during the day as it keeps DE.
That happens regardless this time of year. Its because the hoses shrink due to low temps creating additional resistance to water flow; probably bugger all to do with Vision.
Ours arrived today. Id say first off that having dosed it in the tank in the van that it wasnt an adequate amount. Having added it at 1ml/100 litres of pure and driving 5 miles before the first house I found that it created bubbles on the glass but I didnt feel that there was anything more on this occassion that it did, nothing particularly beneficial. We did a number of houses, some with phobic glass and some with phillic glass but I didnt notice anything particularly beneficial. I was giving it some thought though and as we rinse on full bore at about 3 litres a minute it would have to be running off the glass at a really high rate for it to improve this.
Im not sure if the bubbles on the glass is caused by a detergent/soap in the concentrate or are they just air bubbles. If this stuff works by breaking down the surface tension of water then they could quite easily be air bubbles and if so is that necessarily a good thing? I'll expand on that in a minute.
Anyway, i also tested the waters TDS after adding this stuff and it hadnt affected it at all.
I had told Darren, my equivalent of DTM, that something had been added to the water but not why and to see if he noticed a difference. Anyway, first thing he spotted were the bubbles on the glass, his comments were that it seemed to clean easier but he couldnt expand on that when I pushed him, probably not too concerned about it. At that stage I hadnt noticed anything regarding extra cleaning.
After lunch I added 1ml more, into what was about 200 litres of water left in the tank and there was a noticeable difference in the amount the brush slipped across the glass. Maybe we need a small amount more of the stuff to create a similiar effect, although I cant see how that is as R.O. - D.I. water is the same the country over.
Going back to one point I touched on; if the brush slips across the glass easier is that necessarily a good thing? Surely this could mean that the glass isnt cleaned adequately as there is insufficient cleaning done or you have to have more passes of the brush to create the same amount of friction and rub on the glass as you might otherwise.
Anyway, so far as Im concerned, the jury is still out.
I'll be using the rest of the bottle and hopefully by then will be able to make a more considered judgement. Im hoping to get some snail trails to deal with and see what happens with them, unfortunately didnt see any today.
Matt
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I am having to calibrate system several times during the day as it keeps DE.
That happens regardless this time of year. Its because the hoses shrink due to low temps causiing additional resistance to the water flow.
The day generally gets warmer. Not colder. Meaning the DE calibration lowers as the day goes forward. I am finding i have had to raise the DE throughout the day. Not lower. I started work at 8am and it was 4c according to my van. I left work at 8c
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Hi Window Lickers , thanks for the review . Adding vision is flexible , in terms that we advise 1ml per 100 litres . But I personally tend to have more than that in my tank .
Thanks for trying it and hopefully you will grow to like it .
Cheers
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It strikes me as being very much similiar to Rinse Aid. The additive that is put into dishwashers which prevents water streaking on dishware and helps with drying.
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I am having to calibrate system several times during the day as it keeps DE.
That happens regardless this time of year. Its because the hoses shrink due to low temps creating additional resistance to water flow; probably bugger all to do with Vision.
Ours arrived today. Id say first off that having dosed it in the tank in the van that it wasnt an adequate amount. Having added it at 1ml/100 litres of pure and driving 5 miles before the first house I found that it created bubbles on the glass but I didnt feel that there was anything more on this occassion that it did, nothing particularly beneficial. We did a number of houses, some with phobic glass and some with phillic glass but I didnt notice anything particularly beneficial. I was giving it some thought though and as we rinse on full bore at about 3 litres a minute it would have to be running off the glass at a really high rate for it to improve this.
Im not sure if the bubbles on the glass is caused by a detergent/soap in the concentrate or are they just air bubbles. If this stuff works by breaking down the surface tension of water then they could quite easily be air bubbles and if so is that necessarily a good thing? I'll expand on that in a minute.
Anyway, i also tested the waters TDS after adding this stuff and it hadnt affected it at all.
I had told Darren, my equivalent of DTM, that something had been added to the water but not why and to see if he noticed a difference. Anyway, first thing he spotted were the bubbles on the glass, his comments were that it seemed to clean easier but he couldnt expand on that when I pushed him, probably not too concerned about it. At that stage I hadnt noticed anything regarding extra cleaning.
After lunch I added 1ml more, into what was about 200 litres of water left in the tank and there was a noticeable difference in the amount the brush slipped across the glass. Maybe we need a small amount more of the stuff to create a similiar effect, although I cant see how that is as R.O. - D.I. water is the same the country over.
Going back to one point I touched on; if the brush slips across the glass easier is that necessarily a good thing? Surely this could mean that the glass isnt cleaned adequately as there is insufficient cleaning done or you have to have more passes of the brush to create the same amount of friction and rub on the glass as you might otherwise.
Anyway, so far as Im concerned, the jury is still out.
I'll be using the rest of the bottle and hopefully by then will be able to make a more considered judgement. Im hoping to get some snail trails to deal with and see what happens with them, unfortunately didnt see any today.
Matt
At last a comment worth reading
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I don't even use Rinse aid in my dishwasher , it's that bad ... Lol
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I don't even use Rinse aid in my dishwasher , it's that bad ... Lol
Maybe but if you read about Rinse Aid it does exactly the same kind of thing as Vision just in a machine.
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Will be trying this in the morning.
Just to be sure it is 1 ml per 100 l?
Is this what ratio people are using or just taking a guess?
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Put it in at 100ml per 100 litres of pure and report back ;)
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I had told Darren, my equivalent of DTM, that something had been added to the water but not why and to see if he noticed a difference. Anyway, first thing he spotted were the bubbles on the glass, his comments were that it seemed to clean easier but he couldnt expand on that when I pushed him, probably not too concerned about it. At that stage I hadnt noticed anything regarding extra cleaning.
Going back to one point I touched on; if the brush slips across the glass easier is that necessarily a good thing? Surely this could mean that the glass isnt cleaned adequately as there is insufficient cleaning done or you have to have more passes of the brush to create the same amount of friction and rub on the glass as you might otherwise.
Anyway, so far as Im concerned, the jury is still out.
I'll be using the rest of the bottle and hopefully by then will be able to make a more considered judgement. Im hoping to get some snail trails to deal with and see what happens with them, unfortunately didnt see any today.
Matt
These are the 2 points I agree completely with. I didn't tell my brother that I had added it to the tank to see if he commented on a difference without realising rather than looking for improvements. Anyway after a few houses he hadn't said anything so I asked if he noticed anything different, and he said he hant really, just saw some bubbles on the windows.
After I told hime he then though the brush glided easier, but as for cleaning ability and improved rinsing neither of us particularly think there is much difference.
I personally feel that it may have a placebo effect on people, but then again I could be wrong.
I will carry on using it to see if see any reel benefit, but I was thinking exactly the same as Matt regarding extra slip reducing the scrubbing ability of the brush.
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Will be trying this in the morning.
Just to be sure it is 1 ml per 100 l?
Is this what ratio people are using or just taking a guess?
Hi what size tank have you got Jarvy . If you need any advise just give me a ring on my mobile .
We advise 1 ml per 100 litres . I sometimes use a tad more in my 650 Litre tank .
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400l
Used a 5ml teaspoon so should be somewhere near!!
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I would hazard a guess that two ingredients are in there. A substitute for Isopropanol which printers use these days (isopropanol is banned in many countries in print) and a shot of detergent with a nice smell of oranges. The iso substitute would break down the surface tension and the detergent would give the glide and bubbles.
Does it have any colour?
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Hi Dave , I won't comment on what is in the Vision Mix one way or another . We've produced a mix that hopefully many persons will benefit from using .
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400l
Used a 5ml teaspoon so should be somewhere near!!
Hi Jarvy - that is very similiar to what we advise . Hope TUESDAY is good day for you with using Vision
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Hi Dave , I won't comment on what is in the Vision Mix one way or another . We've produced a mix that hopefully many persons will benefit from using .
I wouldn't expect you to. Just thinking in my own mind going by what others are finding.
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Been trad most of day reckon I saved about an hour and so much easier .Half amount of soap and same mix of Vision as for wfp . Try it and see
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I am sorry but how can you slag this product off if you haven't tried it , if anything will make my life easier bring it on for £14.99 every 3 months and if it works well done mate for doing this if it doesn't well it was £14.99 to try it oh dear it might put my business under i will even buy you a bottle for god sakes rant over , ordering some tonight cant wait to try it .
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How where do i order?
No website or e-mail details
Gordon
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jigsaw-innovations.co.uk