Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Caleb Morley on December 01, 2014, 09:21:31 pm
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I know a few on here have employed apprentices through the government scheme.
Can you give me your experience of the process?
Positives and negatives that kinda thing?
Cheers,
Caleb
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Thanks for that, that's really helpful
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sorry dont know any time served window cleaners.
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sorry dont know any time served window cleaners.
I don't even know what you mean......go on enlighten me.
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He means there's no apprenticeship for window cleaning mate.
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its a way to pay £2.73 an hour legally ... if you can find a young lad who wants to do it
https://www.gov.uk/national-minimum-wage-rates
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its a way to pay £2.73 an hour legally ... if you can find a young lad who wants to do it
https://www.gov.uk/national-minimum-wage-rates
Exactly, but the main benefit as I see it is that you can train someone up exactly as you like it. I wouldn't pay anyone that little though.
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its a way to pay £2.73 an hour legally ... if you can find a young lad who wants to do it
https://www.gov.uk/national-minimum-wage-rates
Exactly, but the main benefit as I see it is that you can train someone up exactly as you like it. I wouldn't pay anyone that little though.
Ive got 2 mates who have done this .... one lad not on here and runs 3 / 4 vans with up to 3 lads in a van some of which he has on apprentice wages works very well for him .. and Bob Plumb who it didn't work for as the lad he took on wanted to be a rocket scientist (not kidding you) ;D and was upset cos Bob took too long talking to customers and left him to do the work and didn't help when Bob wasn't sympathetic to his IBS ::)roll
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A apprentice window cleaner ;D ;D ;D go on
Yes boss, I served my timer under "Joe Davis window cleaning "
Great stuff lad, how long did it take you, 3 days or did you do the full week ?
Idiotic ::)roll
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A apprentice window cleaner ;D ;D ;D go on
Yes boss, I served my timer under "Joe Davis window cleaning "
Great stuff lad, how long did it take you, 3 days or did you do the full week ?
Idiotic ::)roll
Its a way of encouraging industry to take on young staff to help with job creation. It doesn't matter what work these apprentices do but it appears that part of the training is a business management training college course.
It all sounds good on paper. In practice it seems to be different though. Most youngsters have no work ethic. Its their right not to work.
The system will benefit youngsters that can see the long term and how this will help them gain experience so they can run their own business. Bob Plum's apprentice will only be looking at the small picture - he is talking whilst I'm working - that's not fair - sulk sulk.
At one time it was general practice that most industries had apprentices. At the end of 5 years they got their trade certificate but weren't allowed to be employed by the company that they qualified with (oversees anyway.)
Very few industries have apprenticeships now so this is what the government is trying to reintroduce.
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the only reason i can see for any cleaner to employ an "apprentice" is for cheap labour to bolster their own take.
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Its not an apprenticeship but I think you can get a weekly grant for talking on a new employee
from the job centre,
I think it used to be about £80 a week for six months paid to the employee, not sure.
Go and have a word with somebody there are they will keep you right.
Handy if your a first time employer and don't have enough work yet for a full wage.
I don't mean that you shouldn't top up the £80 just to be clear. ;D
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A apprentice window cleaner Grin Grin Grin go on
Yes boss, I served my timer under "Joe Davis window cleaning "
Great stuff lad, how long did it take you, 3 days or did you do the full week ?
Idiotic Roll Eyes
What a stupid reply.
There is more to window cleaning than just cleaning windows if you want to make a real success of it i.e. employing people, taking on larger contracts etc..
So why wouldn't someone want to learn how to do it if their long term view was to run their own business?
Take a look >> http://www.apprenticeships.org.uk/types-of-apprenticeships/retail-and-commercial-enterprise/cleaning-and-environmental-services.aspx
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A apprentice window cleaner ;D ;D ;D go on
Yes boss, I served my timer under "Joe Davis window cleaning "
Great stuff lad, how long did it take you, 3 days or did you do the full week ?
Idiotic ::)roll
You're totally missing the point. Google apprentice and go to the .gov website, then you might get it.
Btw it's nothing to do with Alan a Sugar either
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i strongly considered this about 18 months ago, and had lots of stupid arguments thrown at me. In the end, the only reason i dint do it is because you have to employ them full time straight away and didn't have enough work to do it. I will definitely do it in the future when i have 2 or 3 staff.
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Why don't the government come clean and admit it's just a scheme to help young people into work?
Saying you can be an apprentice window cleaner is stupid and insults people who've had to do a real apprenticeship.
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Typical of this forum, where someone asks a question, only to be taken as a muppet.
Just wonder the negative comments that come from members, how many staff do you actually employ, and employ correctly ?
I read all comments and wonder why, people still post "NORMAL" questions knowing stupid replies will be given.
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Why don't the government come clean and admit it's just a scheme to help young people into work?
Saying you can be an apprentice window cleaner is stupid and insults people who've had to do a real apprenticeship.
There aren't many 'real' apprenticeships around these days.
A plumber used to learn his trade from a master over a 5 year period and get this trade papers after he passed his exams and a practical.
Now days the training is 6 weeks and he is fully qualified.
I spoke to one who was fitting some radiators in a customer's house.
Does he know how to solder copper pipe together? No need as he will use plastic with push in joiners.
Does he know how to join his plastic pipe to a lead pipe? No, there aren't any lead pipes anymore.
How did you get started in business after qualification of 6 weeks? With a government grant - actually he said the government gave him the money.
How did you manage to buy a new Vivaro van? I got a loan.
How did you get a loan when you have nothing to use as collateral. The government helped me.
How did they do that? They told the bank to give me the money.
He then got annoyed with all the questions.
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the only reason i can see for any cleaner to employ an "apprentice" is for cheap labour to bolster their own take.
.....and that's fine. In order for that to happen the employer must train the employee. The employee will gain experience and then the employee has to start paying a fair wage for a fair day's work.
If he doesn't then the employee will get disgruntled and look elsewhere. He may even start his own business. Water always finds its own level.
Years ago we had a YTS working for us. She was the lowest paid, but she was one of our best employees. Once she got her qualifications she went on to get a well paying job. She deserved all the success she generated for herself.
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I agree Spruce that certain trades have been devalued.
Take plumbing, you don't even need qualifications to be a plumber you can just crack on which many do.
Funny thing is the skills you mentioned i picked up during my mechanical engineering apprenticeship.
Which a few years back covered a lot.
Electricians can take a course lasting several weeks to become qualified which is madness.
However in industry they wouldn't get a foot in the door.
Where I work we still take proper apprentices on both mechanical and electrical, the course is 4 years like it ought to be.
Should they stay in the industry I can see them having quite a successful time of it.
They will be in demand due to the average age of real tradesmen being very high.
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I agree Spruce that certain trades have been devalued.
Take plumbing, you don't even need qualifications to be a plumber you can just crack on which many do.
Funny thing is the skills you mentioned i picked up during my mechanical engineering apprenticeship.
Which a few years back covered a lot.
Electricians can take a course lasting several weeks to become qualified which is madness.
However in industry they wouldn't get a foot in the door.
Where I work we still take proper apprentices on both mechanical and electrical, the course is 4 years like it ought to be.
Should they stay in the industry I can see them having quite a successful time of it.
They will be in demand due to the average age of real tradesmen being very high.
Sadly there comes a time when the bar will get dropped lower. Industry will have to 'let them in' but train them (electricians) further in the field that applies to that industry. He won't be any good anywhere else without learning a new set of skills. Health and Safety will police that.
A fellow window cleaner in town was a fitter and turner. The last job he had before the owner sold out was to make those 1mm welding nozzles by the thousands. Once the order was complete in came another order, and another. That is all they were doing. At one time they were making and machining spare parts - no demand for that now. He says that if you could tolerate the boredom then any non qualified person could do it.
Look at the motor trade. A mechanic was a skilled person. He knew about tolerances in wheel bearings, he could set up the gap in a set of points and spark plugs by sight and then set the timing by ear perfectly whilst the engine was running. As a youngster I challenged an old boy we had working in the garage to check his timing he had set up with a timing light. It was absolutely perfect. Do they need that skill today? No as the computer they plug in analyses the problem and then gives them a step by step instruction on how to correct it.
They would white metal crankshaft bearing and then scrape them to fit the bearing journal using engineer's blue. Can any young one do it today? No, but things have moved on and they don't need that skill any longer.