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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: DaveG on November 17, 2014, 05:37:47 pm
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Had to get towed by AA to garage today >:( . Do any of you guys have any ideas or had the same problem?
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well rev and no power or just no revs?
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Can you engage gears? (I.e are you getting a bite point?)
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Dropped your wallet under the accelerator pedal?
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It will rev up to about 2000 rpm .. I can get gears no problem but not enough power to pull away (if that makes sense)?
Cheers
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Dropped your wallet under the accelerator pedal?
;D
Got a feeling it will be empty after this episode
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Dave
There was a post about 8 months ago. Someone had the same issue and if I remember it ended up to be a MAF sensor.
We had the problem with my son's Hdi Partner van and after £350.00 of exploratory work they found it to be a blocked rear silencer. The silencer looked perfect. They even flushed out the catalytic convertor in case that was the issue.
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Oh Dave, it was you who had the problem
http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=180735.0
So my post wasn't helpful. It could be the MAF sensor again. Some of these after market units are pretty poor quality.
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Thanks Spruce!
This time it only revs to 2000 rpm, the last time it seemed to take a while getting there! >:(
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Some reason gone into limp home mode?
Possible egr valve?
As spruce said, still might be the MAF possible not seated correctly...?
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Cheers Don. .Last time it played up I changed the maf sensor and it was like a new van. This time
It seems like it has fuel starvation or something. ..??
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Fuel filter?
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Our vivaro is doing similar very sluggish to pull away, changed maf no real difference - so going to take it to garage for diagnositc check - let me know how you get on with yours - will let you know what ours says, sounds like a fuel issue we are hoping its not an injector...
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Is engine management light on if so plug it in and you will know for sure, sound like the car is in limp mode map sensor would normally throw a light up as would eve valve, if there's no light and it feals like its being starved of fuel it could very well be a clogged fuel filter, if you haven't serviced it in a while you should do this anyways,
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Sounds more like egr issues, get it plugged in too be sure
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when my maf sensor went me garage mechanic told me not to replace with a cheap one as they dont last that long and if i remember right a genuine one cost about £75-£90 ;)
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My vivaro did all that rubbish
Limp mode all the time
I fixed it in the end
By Scrapping the van and got a VW
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I've posted before about my Renault Traffic, had similar and other problems at the beginning of the year. Turned out it was a valve which goes in the end of the common fuel rail, it cost £100 for a Bosch one. Renault said all 4 injectors needed replacing at a cost of £1600, I'm glad I didn't listen to them as would have still had the problem and would have spent a fortune.
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Davey Boy sounds like the wiring loom cost around £800 and takes forever as they have to order it from France !!!
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Davey Boy sounds like the wiring loom cost around £800 and takes forever as they have to order it from France !!!
Would you like to expand on that ?
Why and how does this effect the running
Darran
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I had a Renault traffic for 5 years from new many years ago and gotta say was a great van. It all connects to electrical system where you can lose power, it happened to me driving I lost power then the engine went off, started it up again was ok then lost power had to get rac tow it to Renault garage. They had it for 2 weeks as don't have them in stock had to order from the main company in France. Stick with Ford as I have transit custom parts same day if needed
Just for you Smudger
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Thx for the info Danny - food for thought as most sources of info point towards MAF sensor or ERG valve
Darran
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Watchdog thursday Renault Vauxhall Nissan vans :'( :'(
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It sounds to me like the pedal sensor...
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Thanks for the replies chaps
Hopefully find out tomorrow what the problem is..
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It sounds to me like the pedal sensor...
The AA bloke checked the pedal sensor, apparently it's the first thing they check...
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Is engine management light on if so plug it in and you will know for sure, sound like the car is in limp mode map sensor would normally throw a light up as would eve valve, if there's no light and it feals like its being starved of fuel it could very well be a clogged fuel filter, if you haven't serviced it in a while you should do this anyways,
Thanks Michael. The engine management light was on constant (not flashing) but when the AA bloke plugged his fault reader in it didn't come up with any faults?? ???
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No probs Darren ( smudger ) your welcome,
Dave keeps us all informed how the van gets on, fingers crossed its nothing to serious and not to costly
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Cheers Danny (and everyone else) will do
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Can you drive it just on the clutch? Does it move, i know you cant rev but could you get it moving?
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Can you drive it just on the clutch? Does it move, i know you cant rev but could you get it moving?
I tried to drive it to the garage (with the AA guy behind) but as soon as I came to even the slightest incline the engine died.
Why do you ask?
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Different van but my combo has done it and it is the pedal sensor...however i can get it up to about 35-40mph
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Thanks Matt, but the AA bloke checked the sensor and said it was ok. ???
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All these sensors really do my head in. An electric accelerator is the craziest thing ive heard of...what was wrong with a cable!
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Tell me about it!! ::)roll
Good to job we've got the trusty Partner to keep us working, bit cramped for 2 men tho!!
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They think it's the cam sensor. Changing it tomorrow/Monday. Fuel pump and injectors have been tested and they're ok (phew)
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Mines been in vauxhall dealership, yep got the dreaded design fault... :'(
Awaiting decision from head office..
Darran
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An old trafic of ours did this a while back. Low revs and wouldnt go over 35. It turned out needing a new turbo.
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There was a thing on watchdog about vivara traffic and primastar injectors fusing to engine dont know if its worth taking a look at links on watchdog page
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Done this, awaiting vauxhall head office response unfortunately the van is 7 yrs and 8 months old, vauxhall will only do something for under 7 yrs even tho it's a design fault.
The local dealership will change all the injectors for "a discounted price" of £1700 plus vat but if they crack the head (50/50 chance) due to injectors being corroded ( due to design fault ) I'll have to pay another £1200 plus vat on top :-X
Happy days .... :-\
Darran
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Done this, awaiting vauxhall head office response unfortunately the van is 7 yrs and 8 months old, vauxhall will only do something for under 7 yrs even tho it's a design fault.
The local dealership will change all the injectors for "a discounted price" of £1700 plus vat but if they crack the head (50/50 chance) due to injectors being corroded ( due to design fault ) I'll have to pay another £1200 plus vat on top :-X
Happy days .... :-\
Darran
Yes I saw that it's dreadful isn't it! I Know mine has got the design fault because I checked and can see the water dripping through...only just bought it so going to see if I can somehow divert the water away and just fingers crossed its not too bad...I've heard from a few people vauxhall is pretty bad when it comes to fixing their faults!
Marc
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Yep, only had mine 7 months or so, if I were you ring the head office ( number on watchdog site ) get a case number and maybe they will modify the van before it goes wrong, that or sell it
Darran
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I looked at a Vivaro last year, 2009 with 38,000 on the clock.
It seemed a decent van but one of the things that put me off was the amount of rainwater just sitting in the tray at the bottom of the windscreen. I've never seen it that bad on a vehicle and im glad I trusted my instincts and walked away.
I can't understand how this model of vehicle has had at least two major design faults in it's lifetime?
First was the gearbox problem (letting in water) and now this on the later variation. Absolutely appalling.
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That was why I spent the extra for an 07 because the gearbox problem had been "resolved" unfortunately I knew nothing this one
Darran
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Darran is that all they will do? Will they do anything else? Is that the same for everyone?
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Awaiting info from a senior 'manager' who was off this week, hoping to get a call Monday to see where the land lies
Darran
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Bought my 2008 Vivaro in April 2014 - 2.0 cdi with cam chain straight off the AA....
Drove beautifully until the the chain snapped at 15mph (1800rpm) broken chain wrapped itself around the cam gear n lunched the engine!!
Only positive in this tale is that during the engine change the mechanic noticed the gearbox had been replaced recently. So Vauxhall still had the gearbox problems as far as 2008 at least.
Now got an 08 plate van with a 10 plate engine - fingers crossed for the future - Oh! and a £3000 bill.
Glenn
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most people know that trafic/vivaro/primastar are just rubbish vans.ask any mechanic and he ll say stay well clear as their nothing but hassle esp if your buying a second hand van.i was thinking of one a while ago but glad i didnt bother now.
also deege off here had to pump something under the bonnet as it wouldnt start up after i sold him some poles a while ago!it put me off plus loads of people have problems with them all the time.
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All makes of van (toyota hi ace excluded ;D) have breakdowns parts wear out, that I can live with, but premature failure due to a design fault shouldn't really cost the owner of the vehicle.
Just to help you sleep at night Daz ford engines have coded injectors that can set you back £400 a pop, plenty of trannies and connects laid to rest because of these overpriced, over complicated parts.
Darran
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All engines have coded injectors, if you buy from a diesel specialist they are around £150 for a transit or £100 for a connect.
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Lee, I was told fords had to be matched to the vehicle, only to done at a dealership
If not that's good news !
I can get cheap injectors, no bugger will/can get thrm out :'(
Darran
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There are specialists that can pull them out search the net.
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I have several in my fav's but none will cover the cost if the head cracks, and when you tot up all the x's, it's nearly the same as vauxhall.
Push comes to shove I can get a head and 4 new injectors for around £800, just have to find out what the local mechanic gonna charge me to fit it.
Darran
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Lee, I was told fords had to be matched to the vehicle, only to done at a dealership
If not that's good news !
I can get cheap injectors, no bugger will/can get thrm out :'(
Darran
A good diesel specialist can code in the injectors, bit if they can you can still get an independent garage to fit them and then get fords to code them in.
The vehicle will still start and can be driven. The injector codes are all to do with fueling so the ecu knows how much fuel an individual injector gives out. The ecu can then compensate so that the engine runs as efficiently as possible.
Without the injectors coded in the engine may not run as smoothly as it should.
It's only takes about ten minutes to code them in
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Different van but my combo has done it and it is the pedal sensor...however i can get it up to about 35-40mph
Agree, same on my old connect, had to have a whole new pedal as sensor was part of it, could actually get into 3 rd gear, about 25 mph, was enough to get home !
Mr B
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I looked at a Vivaro last year, 2009 with 38,000 on the clock.
It seemed a decent van but one of the things that put me off was the amount of rainwater just sitting in the tray at the bottom of the windscreen. I've never seen it that bad on a vehicle and im glad I trusted my instincts and walked away.
I can't understand how this model of vehicle has had at least two major design faults in it's lifetime?
First was the gearbox problem (letting in water) and now this on the later variation. Absolutely appalling.
The thing is Andy that the gearboxes are made by outside suppliers and gear and diff ratios are matched to the manufacturers engines.
The gearboxes in the early Fiat Ducato's 1994 -2001 (so also in Relays and Boxers) were also prone to water ingress and failures, exactly as the Trafic boxes were.
On the Ducato the gearbox selector was on top of the gearbox. The design of the box was that it also had cast reinforcing alloy ridges running both length-ways and width-ways across to top which looked like a larger version of your ice tray in your refrigerator. And yes, the gearbox selector was within one of those boxes.
The drain from the cabin air vent intake was directly above the gearbox. It didn't take long for the water to find its way into the gearbox and damage syncro rings and bearings.
Citroen's quick fix was to fill the reinforcing ridges with resin to level them off so the water couldn't pond. They also had to fit different shaped drain pipes to redirect the water to behind the gearbox. It wasn't a solution they did 'off their own bat'. They were forced to take action by the industries regulator.
But not every van using the same gearbox had the same issue. I had one of the last 1.9D Relays on a 51 plate which had over 100k on the clock when I bought it. It had been an ex rental vehicle and I saw the vehicles repair and service history. They even listed every bulb replacement. No gearbox repairs at all. It didn't have the quick fix resin solution either. I had the van another 1 year before replacing it with an Hdi which had a different box. The guy I sold it to was a builder and he ran it for a further 2 years without issue.
The gearboxes used in the 2002 - 2006 Ducato/Relay/Boxers were supposed to solve the gearbox issues once and for all. However, all you have to do is see how many Ducato/Relay/Boxers there are for sale on Ebay with gearbox issues. This extends to the newest models as well.
But on the other hand the Ford Transit never seems to have gearbox issues.
One of the biggest challenges that the commercial sector has to deal with is weight. So everything has to be as light as possible. Engine heads used to be made from cast iron, but alloy is much lighter. However alloy and steel aren't good bed fellows. Ask any Landrover enthusiast. Apparently the two metals react chemically with each other and hence create all sorts of issues further down the line when it comes to repairs. Why they don't coat each injector and glowplug with a copper grease type of product that would stop this would be down to cost and other factors.
Renault has injector problems, but so does any vehicle with an alloy head. The Hdi's/Tdci's don't seem to be as much as a problem, but the Mercedes also have major injector seizure issues.
I was in conversation with a commercial spray painter and his opinion was that all vans were designed to last 5 years. Anything after that was a bonus. He puts it all down to planned obsolescence. The commercial boys have never seemed to address the issues of corrosion. Even the new VW's and Sprinters look tatty after a few years.
Unfortunately for most of us in this industry, were are unable to afford a brand new van every 3 to 5 years, so we end up with the dregs, no matter what van we buy.
Most of these problems come up after the new vehicle warranty has expired. Citroen gave a 1 year 100k warranty. It was extended by another 2 years as a dealer warranty which only covered main driveline failures. These 2 years additional warranty was an insurance policy, so the manufacturers weren't out of pocket if anything happened after the first year. If a gearbox failed during the first year, the manufacturer would simply claim the cost of repair back from the original manufacturer of the gearbox. Warranty them becomes an Accountant procedure - building in a financial buffer into each product to account for comeback issues.
If all the commercials out there on the market are of poor quality, then a manufacturer would always be assured of new business by those on the buyer's 'merry-go-round'.
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Had to get towed by AA to garage today >:( . Do any of you guys have any ideas or had the same problem?
Dave,
Have you got a solution to your latest issue yet?
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I have the solution to all these modern van problems
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FORD-TRANSIT-MK1-fitted-with-di-and-5-speed-from-malta-/251735938716?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item3a9ca1969c
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or this
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1968-MORRIS-MINOR-8-CWT-VAN-SOLD-another-quality-car-SOLD-by-YSJ-Motorsport-/201046683568?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item2ecf50efb0
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If you have not tried already I might have something you can try .....
What might have happened is something has thrown your engine management light on and forced the car into limp mode to prevent further damage , the fault may either be intermittent or just a one off ( explaining the code reader not finding a fault) what I would do first is get it read with a snap on tester see what it throws up clear the codes and drive away , if the light comes back on you will find the code and go from there.
i would guess at map pressure sensor or egr valve both cheep, if it turns out to be an egr valve just et a blanking kit for a 10 er and hoy that on but first clear the code and drive off the amount of times it's nothing is unbelievable
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I have the solution to all these modern van problems
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FORD-TRANSIT-MK1-fitted-with-di-and-5-speed-from-malta-/251735938716?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item3a9ca1969c
Wow ,
both lovely vans :) 8)
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I can't help thinking that the age of diesel power is coming to its end with all these emission regulations.
Back to petrol.