Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Jakey boy on November 07, 2014, 01:43:14 pm
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http://youtu.be/R84xXDdobYE
All diy, plenty of room for pressure washer!
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Thanks Jakey for taking the trouble to do a video of the inside of your van. I love to see people's ideas in action. You have certainly done a good job of using existing space.
I'm guessing that the back of your poles extend through your bulkhead into the cabin.
I also do like the solar panel for trickle charging your battery. I think it's a great idea.
When I fitted SIL's van he chose the have his tank running long ways so he could get his ladders down one side. I can certainly see how putting the tank across the van makes a lot of difference.
Thanks again
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Thanks spruce,
Yeah my poles go through the bulkhead and rest on the shelf, only the lwb has the roof shelf, so that lets the poles sit nicley.
I keep it minimalist as I don't like loads of clutter, I find it looks more professional when customers see it with the doors wide open, I definatly recommend the tank being that way round, as the bulk head protects it if I had to brake very hard. And it's fairly snug between the sides. So all I really need to be careful of in accelerating hard, which I never do, for obvious reasons. I also purposely kept all the gubbins over to the right so I had room for pressure washer and gutter vacs, I can even get my road bike in there!
Solar panel is really helpful, it does keep the battery healthy, and is simple to do, I always put it in the van over night, or if it's raining. It's not fixed to the roof, I used door stops from screwfix as barriers, means I can drive round all day with it sitting there, and take it off when necessary, eg motorways and bad weather...
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yeah nice set up mate looks very good...is that the connect lwb or transit lwb? and if the connect lwb did you just order the ply line of a swb connect.
paul
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Lwb connect,
My mate is a joiner, he cut me the ply, then I painted it and fitted it in the van, just using tech screws, The lwb has different dimensions to the swb, so swb ply kits wouldn't fit,
I found it's quite easy to do if you can get a decent carpenter/joiner to cut the ply to size,
I also found that tech screwing everything in is really simple and solid, everything I've done is rreally quite simple, just looks good because it's not cluttered, I'm no expert, just used some imagination really
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yeah i have a lwb connect and have put racking at the top for poles etc, i think the panels for the lwb are the same as swb for the main sides just the lwb has extra pieces for the top as lwb panels don't come as 1 whole piece.
do you find it a problem sometimes having your reel fixed?
i see your just down the road from me i live in Braintree
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Not really, I'm not really sure what problems id face? Although it does sometimes get on my nerves when the hose doesn't reel in properly and starts to come off the reel, I suppose that's the only time I sometimes want to get it out to neaten it up! I find the hose guide which is right at the edge of the van really helps though, means it's easy to park anywhere and turn the hose round the corner of the van!
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So you ever go to polarbrite for water? May see you there if so !
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So you ever go to polarbrite for water? May see you there if so !
now and again but not often, i have a lockup on the edge of bishops stortford that i have my r/o so fill up there, as most of my work is that way and saffron walden. I have been looking for a while for something in braintree but haven't found anything yet that's not to expensive.
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i would be interested to know what the axle weight is on the front when that tank is full
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My connect actually has a 898kg payload, it's an ex police van, full tank plus hose reel di and battery is around 850kg
Also please remember the tank is almost always only filled to 500kg, there are two jobs a month a May fill to brim
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So you ever go to polarbrite for water? May see you there if so !
now and again but not often, i have a lockup on the edge of bishops stortford that i have my r/o so fill up there, as most of my work is that way and saffron walden. I have been looking for a while for something in braintree but haven't found anything yet that's not to expensive.
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I see, I'm in the same boat!
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thanks for that Jakey ... much appreciated ... very tidy van :)
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My connect actually has a 898kg payload, it's an ex police van, full tank plus hose reel di and battery is around 850kg
Also please remember the tank is almost always only filled to 500kg, there are two jobs a month a May fill to brim
jakey i aint picking on you but the amount of people that dont know about they axle weight is un-real,totally different to the payload.
iam defo sure that with you and a full tank of water the front axle will be over weight
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jakey boy, what battery charger do you use for your leisure battery, it looks like a normal car battery charger, am i wrong
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Well it's never been a problem? You have to remember the tank is in the middle of the van, the rear axle is supporting a lot of the weight, I only weigh 11 stone, perhaps under braking the front axle bears some serious weight, but with carful driving and mostly only 500litrrs in the tank, my expierence is that it's absolutly fine, remember I'm the one drivng it, steering is still light, power steering is working well, tyres aren't bulging, everything is good...
I can't actually find any maximum axle weights, if you know, I'd be interested to see..
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jakey boy, what battery charger do you use for your leisure battery, it looks like a normal car battery charger, am i wrong
It's an 8amp battery charger with a slow charge mode, for 12 v leisure battery's, it does a good job !
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i would be interested to know what the axle weight is on the front when that tank is full
On my first Citroen Relay I fitted the 650 litre tank across the width of the van behind the front seats. When the tank was full the front axle was overloaded. I had to turn the tank length ways and step it back by about 300mm to get the weight distribution right.
I fitted the tank that wat when I replaced that van with the one I have now. The space in front of the tank is where I have my leisure battery.
I see that PureFreedom have mounted a 650 litre tank across the width of the van right up against the bulkhead on a swb Vivaro 2900 belonging to a local windie in town.
I have never been able to find a manufacturer that supplies a specific van diagram that identifies where the load must be placed for ideal weight distribution.
The extra LWB Mitsubishi Canter 7.5 t flatbed was known for this issue. Because of the problem of where the rear axle was situated, loading a flat bed to its capacity always overloaded the front axle.
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Yes that is frustrating, I can't find a single spec sheet on it, all I know Is that it drives well and I treat it carefully when driving, I think it's fine because I'm usually carrying 500litres or less everyday other than 2 per month, if I was overweight I can simply put less water in, as I roughly use 300l max a day, but I like to keep it at around 500 just in case!
The water tank is much nearer the rear axle than the front in the connect, I just checked! I think I'm fine, I will
Bare it mind though, maybe put less water in.
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There is a windie in a village about 10 miles from us with an old 600 LX Citroen Berlingo (600 kg payload.) He has a 650 liter flat tank in it and it is brimmed every day. He also has his wfp hose reels, a ladder and poles in the back. Ocassionally another windie works with him.
He has done this for years and never been stopped. The whole village knows him as he cleans a large portion of it. There are at least 3 policemen living in that village.
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Very nice setup, clean and neat. I like it. ;)
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There is a windie in a village about 10 miles from us with an old 600 LX Citroen Berlingo (600 kg payload.) He has a 650 liter flat tank in it and it is brimmed every day. He also has his wfp hose reels, a ladder and poles in the back. Ocassionally another windie works with him.
He has done this for years and never been stopped. The whole village knows him as he cleans a large portion of it. There are at least 3 policemen living in that village.
That's pretty damn heavy, atleast I'm under payload, that's the main thing!
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Tidy van mate
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Tidy van mate
Thanks jimi
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There is a windie in a village about 10 miles from us with an old 600 LX Citroen Berlingo (600 kg payload.) He has a 650 liter flat tank in it and it is brimmed every day. He also has his wfp hose reels, a ladder and poles in the back. Ocassionally another windie works with him.
He has done this for years and never been stopped. The whole village knows him as he cleans a large portion of it. There are at least 3 policemen living in that village.
That's pretty damn heavy, atleast I'm under payload, that's the main thing!
have you ever taken it to a weighbridge? I bet with the tank full it will be massively overweight,
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Is the tank frame pop riveted together?
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having worked close with vosa its no good saying that you think it drives ok,when you roll it over there weigh bridge ;) ;)
purefredom and co have no responsibility to how much weight is in or where it is in the van,you as driver are responsible for the vehicle.they will just fit anything you want and where
i wonder how many of these suppliers/fitters have done a weighbridge check on these vehicles ;) ;) ;)
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Nice n tidy JB - wish I could get my van to look so neat!!
One comment for Spruce n Co. I've got a SWB Vivaro 2900 with an 800ltr tank, full R/O n system plus 2 ladders and lots of other stuff inside van..... Methinks it's time for someone to go the local DVLA weighbridge and check some axle weights once and for all.
I'll post the results in the next week or so! If I'm not in jail for being overweight.
Again JB nice ride..
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That tank is ridiculously big for the van....Other than that it's a tidy little setup.
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Nice van :)...you do waffle on a bit though ;D
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Nice n tidy JB - wish I could get my van to look so neat!!
One comment for Spruce n Co. I've got a SWB Vivaro 2900 with an 800ltr tank, full R/O n system plus 2 ladders and lots of other stuff inside van..... Methinks it's time for someone to go the local DVLA weighbridge and check some axle weights once and for all.
I'll post the results in the next week or so! If I'm not in jail for being overweight.
Again JB nice ride..
Yeah that's defo looking overweight for you?!
I'm safe, I have nearly 900kg payload, even with full tank that's 750kg, plus about 90kg with the battery di and hose reel. If I am over it's just a case of putting less water in, as said I isually run with 500 litres, so that's 500kg plus hose reel etc, So I'm nearly always way underweight.
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Is the tank frame pop riveted together?
Yeah mate it is
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That tank is ridiculously big for the van....Other than that it's a tidy little setup.
Ridiculously big? Nah it's fine! Looks bigger on camera, there's plenty of room above it, it's there if I need more water for a bigger job.
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having worked close with vosa its no good saying that you think it drives ok,when you roll it over there weigh bridge ;) ;)
purefredom and co have no responsibility to how much weight is in or where it is in the van,you as driver are responsible for the vehicle.they will just fit anything you want and where
i wonder how many of these suppliers/fitters have done a weighbridge check on these vehicles ;) ;) ;)
They should he responsible when fitting it. That's just normal protocol, i dos all this myself, as said, I'm happy and its definatly ok weight wise, 1 litre = 1kg. I'll stick with 500 litres in the tank and that way I'm way under payload.
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Nice van :)...you do waffle on a bit though ;D
Yeah not as bad as that 'wagga'!
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This may be of interest
http://roadfleetforte.co.uk/vehicle-overloading/
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Just found out my van has a payload of 908kg, so I'm happy, can't be bothered to keep going on about now, all this over showing a video about space for a pressure washer! :)
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Including driver and fuel or passenger?
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Is the tank frame pop riveted together?
Yeah mate it is
Are you confident that they wouldn't shear off in an accident?
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And this jakey boy.........
Is what happens when you show your van on CIU.
Haha.
Tidy van btw. Really smart a clean looking. Really like it.
As goes for payload your absoloutely fine with 500 in it id say. No worries at all. When it's full to the brim then yes you will be overweight, but I would say the majority of window cleaners on ciu are overweight first thing in a morning with there tank brimmed.
Best option for everyone is to go to a weigh bridge if there unsure. Don't crucify someone for taking time to show his van.
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And this jakey boy.........
Is what happens when you show your van on CIU.
Haha.
Tidy van btw. Really smart a clean looking. Really like it.
As goes for payload your absoloutely fine with 500 in it id say. No worries at all. When it's full to the brim then yes you will be overweight, but I would say the majority of window cleaners on ciu are overweight first thing in a morning with there tank brimmed.
Best option for everyone is to go to a weigh bridge if there unsure. Don't crucify someone for taking time to show his van.
Thanks mate! Good points, most people are probably overweight to start with, good news is we quickly lose weight after the first 2 hours!
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Is the tank frame pop riveted together?
Yeah mate it is
They probably would lee, but to be honest I'm not gonna worry, the only movement I get would be accelerating hard, which I never do, everyone would be in trouble with all there equipment and tank in an accident!
Are you confident that they wouldn't shear off in an accident?
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Including driver and fuel or passenger?
Never have a passenger, always run low fuel, nearly always have 500 litres in tank, everything is good, vans always been spot on, nothing to worry about, except some of you lot who need a job in health and safety! ::)roll
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Just for the record guys, most of us are sensible enough with a heavy load to be fine and dandy, with 500litres I am way under payload, you've all seen the van, there is nothing in it other than the essentials, it's a minimalist van, and does a very good job, so can we leave the weight thing alone, We all see windies go around with combos and the like with 500-600 litres of water on board and a two man system, these are the guys that need a weight check!
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Excellent set up Jake, had similar but had to get a bigger van in the end to cover all the extra services we do, miss my connect tho, when we get big commercials to do or large solar jobs we take a Merlin and di with us and generate water on site, just an idea for some of you
Graham
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Nice, Clean Tidy setup mate. ..and yes, bit of shelving up one side for exta bits and bobs :)
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thanks for taking the time to do a video jakey boy.nice tidy van but i have to agree a 750L tank IMO is ridiculous in a van this size with a 900kg payload!
its not just that you ll be massively overweight with a full tank and all your other stuff but the strain on the suspension/clutch etc.
i reckon im on the limit in the morning with a full 500L tank and all my other gear.nice tidy van all the same though pal. ;)
still prefer my set up though.i love having hot water in the winter months!each to their own and all that! ;D
also i noticed how bad your hands look!do you not wear gloves when working?mine are like office boys hands now!you wouldnt even know i worked outside doing a manual job!when i didnt wear gloves i was always getting little cuts and ground carbon into my skin.also pure water dried my hands out really badly.
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thanks for taking the time to do a video jakey boy.nice tidy van but i have to agree a 750L tank IMO is ridiculous in a van this size with a 900kg payload!
its not just that you ll be massively overweight with a full tank and all your other stuff but the strain on the suspension/clutch etc.
i reckon im on the limit in the morning with a full 500L tank and all my other gear.nice tidy van all the same though pal. ;)
still prefer my set up though.i love having hot water in the winter months!each to their own and all that! ;D
also i noticed how bad your hands look!do you not wear gloves when working?mine are like office boys hands now!you wouldnt even know i worked outside doing a manual job!when i didnt wear gloves i was always getting little cuts and ground carbon into my skin.also pure water dried my hands out really badly.
Hands are fine mate, don't not what you saw! Must have been the sun reflecting.
Again I nearly always have 500litres , all is good!!!
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Dazmond, all the video was for was to show that there is space for a pressure washer, and that has been achieved, I'm gonna go and get a 1000 litre tank now just to annoy the health and saftey poo pooers on here! ;D the clutch is fine, pull away carefully when heavy laden, plus as stated a million times I only have 500 litres or less 9 times out of 10.
I even states that in the video, 500 litres is a normal day to day load!
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Not bad setup at all. I would sleeve the cable that goes up to the solar panel in case it rubs on the metal. Would have plonked the battery in a box for the sake of a few quid.
Would have like to have seem some gauges like mine.
One shot i would have traced the door loom so it looked neater.
madness on the 750 tank. Even if it is brimmed a few days only.
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Jakey boy ........ That's a sound little set up that mate.
Prob the smartest one on here, you have everything in the right place,and like you says at the start....... Plenty of space for your pressure washer, even the wife has just told me to take a leaf out of your book so well done mate.
Smart little set up.
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I'd never heard of tec screws before, just googled them ! thanks for sharing, I've learnt something ! :)
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Cheers for the video, it helps a lot👍
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Not bad setup at all. I would sleeve the cable that goes up to the solar panel in case it rubs on the metal. Would have plonked the battery in a box for the sake of a few quid.
Would have like to have seem some gauges like mine.
One shot i would have traced the door loom so it looked neater.
madness on the 750 tank. Even if it is brimmed a few days only.
Gauges?
Tracing door loom not a good idea, it needs movement when door is opening and closing, there is a lot of slack when door is closed, also it's easy for me to move it if needed, which I have done once already, it's better for everything to be easy to access, on my opinion, and it's my van, so I'm happy. :)
Rubbing on metal? Not on a million years, it's very light and loose, doesn't rub at all.
Madness on the 750 litre tank? No not mad just a a good size that can be filled with 750 litres if necessary, and 500 litres is fine, the van is fine with 750 in it, however I will bare it in mind and Perhaps use a small ro on site if needed.
Batteru in box, no need it's fast for me to recharge and use solar panel with an open battery, also means I can check voltage frequently and easily.
Last but not least, you sir, are the most annoying bloke on this forum! ;D
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Jakey boy ........ That's a sound little set up that mate.
Prob the smartest one on here, you have everything in the right place,and like you says at the start....... Plenty of space for your pressure washer, even the wife has just told me to take a leaf out of your book so well done mate.
Smart little set up.
Thanks, appreciate it!
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Not bad setup at all. I would sleeve the cable that goes up to the solar panel in case it rubs on the metal. Would have plonked the battery in a box for the sake of a few quid.
Would have like to have seem some gauges like mine.
One shot i would have traced the door loom so it looked neater.
madness on the 750 tank. Even if it is brimmed a few days only.
Gauges?
Tracing door loom not a good idea, it needs movement when door is opening and closing, there is a lot of slack when door is closed, also it's easy for me to move it if needed, which I have done once already, it's better for everything to be easy to access, on my opinion, and it's my van, so I'm happy. :)
Rubbing on metal? Not on a million years, it's very light and loose, doesn't rub at all.
Madness on the 750 litre tank? No not mad just a a good size that can be filled with 750 litres if necessary, and 500 litres is fine, the van is fine with 750 in it, however I will bare it in mind and Perhaps use a small ro on site if needed.
Batteru in box, no need it's fast for me to recharge and use solar panel with an open battery, also means I can check voltage frequently and easily.
Last but not least, you sir, are the most annoying bloke on this forum! ;D
Oh must have hit a nerve lol ;) ;D