Clean It Up
UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Carpet Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Brendan (chem2clean) on November 05, 2014, 06:41:00 pm
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Just had a commercial job i had booked in tomorrow cancel due to painters not finished.
So i am going to service my tm for the xmes rush.I have never descaled the tm before.If i add a few bottles of vinegar to the heather box and run machine,then let sit overnight,would that do it?
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If you acid rinse then it basically takes care of its self
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Prochem Truck Mount descaler, vinegar is useless.
Simon
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...............to the heather box..........
Not sure what a 'heather box' is - sounds that something the gypsies sell possibly as a Christmas bumper present.
As Simon mentioned - use the Prochem stuff - follow the instructions on the 'tin' and it will do all you need
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If you acid rinse then it basically takes care of its self
Afraid not correct Steve. 99.9% of t/ms' have final stage chemical injection. You need to to get through the whole system
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Sound,ill order some prochem descaler so....thanks
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What about the stuff they use to descale dish washers?
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What about the stuff they use to descale dish washers?
I had to look it up ::)roll
The prochem stuff is sulfamic acid ... you can get it from mistral etc also but its not expensive from prochem so probable not worth sourcing it ... although who knows what concentration your getting from prochem .
Many of the Coffee machine descalers are the same stuff ... they wont wnat to damage the Gaggia after all ..
The kettle stuff ? ... it might be mostly citric or lactic or a combination of acids .
The sulfamic might be chosen for being less harsh on certain metals perhaps ... although is a HE stainless steel , figured u could throw anything at that ?
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Thanks John,just wanted to work on it tomorrow is the reason i am looking for a quick solution...
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What about the stuff they use to descale dish washers?
most of these type dishwasher descalers contain hydrochloric acid and can cause all types of problems, its safer not to use hydrochloric acid based ones, just google food grade acid descalers.
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What about the stuff they use to descale dish washers?
most of these type dishwasher descalers contain hydrochloric acid and can cause all types of problems, its safer not to use hydrochloric acid based ones, just google food grade acid descalers.
Oust .. is one of the most popular domestic descalers ? its lactic acid .
perhaps some others use hydrochloric ...
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Thanks John,just wanted to work on it tomorrow is the reason i am looking for a quick solution...
perhaps some of the coffee machine specialist stores in Dublin for a quick fix ?
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Thanks boys,think i will just order the prochem stuff,wary off the unknown...
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Thanks boys,think i will just order the prochem stuff,wary off the unknown...
Hi Brendan, there is a company in cork who import food grade descalers from Holland, i know he has distributors in Dublin, if you want to call him his name is martin Johnson and you will get him on 086 2509171
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Thank you Tadgh,,,,,,
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Thanks boys,think i will just order the prochem stuff,wary off the unknown...
Hi Brendan, there is a company in cork who import food grade descalers from Holland, i know he has distributors in Dublin, if you want to call him his name is martin Johnson and you will get him on 086 2509171
cant see why he'd need to import food grade descaler from holland ... and thats likely to be a bag of overpriced citric acid .
What does it matter of its food grade or not ... hes not sprinkling it on his chips .
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I use this, get it from my local plumbing agent
http://www.fernox.com/files/Fernox/Content/PDF/English/DS3%202kg%20new.pdf
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Thanks boys,think i will just order the prochem stuff,wary off the unknown...
Hi Brendan, there is a company in cork who import food grade descalers from Holland, i know he has distributors in Dublin, if you want to call him his name is martin Johnson and you will get him on 086 2509171
cant see why he'd need to import food grade descaler from holland ... and thats likely to be a bag of overpriced citric acid .
What does it matter of its food grade or not ... hes not sprinkling it on his chips .
You know me John, always prefer to recommend the safer options.
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Thanks boys,think i will just order the prochem stuff,wary off the unknown...
Hi Brendan, there is a company in cork who import food grade descalers from Holland, i know he has distributors in Dublin, if you want to call him his name is martin Johnson and you will get him on 086 2509171
cant see why he'd need to import food grade descaler from holland ... and thats likely to be a bag of overpriced citric acid .
What does it matter of its food grade or not ... hes not sprinkling it on his chips .
You know me John, always prefer to recommend the safer options.
Ha Tadgh , bit of detective work ... the descaler he is importing from Rolith is based on Hydrochloric :D
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Thanks boys,think i will just order the prochem stuff,wary off the unknown...
Hi Brendan, there is a company in cork who import food grade descalers from Holland, i know he has distributors in Dublin, if you want to call him his name is martin Johnson and you will get him on 086 2509171
cant see why he'd need to import food grade descaler from holland ... and thats likely to be a bag of overpriced citric acid .
What does it matter of its food grade or not ... hes not sprinkling it on his chips .
You know me John, always prefer to recommend the safer options.
Ha Tadgh , bit of detective work ... the descaler he is importing from Rolith is based on Hydrochloric :D
Hi John, i can assure you there is no hydrochloric acid in the descaler i was recommending for Brendan, if you want to do another bit of detective work and find a safe descaler i can put you in the right direction, Regards Tadgh
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Tadgh , this is your friend Martin Johnsons website ...
http://www.wiltontech.ie/deter.htm
The decscaler he sells in the ' Eco detergents ' section :D
go th the manufacturers site ... Rolith chemicals ... dutch :D
Translate the msds ... its hydrochloric :D
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Tadgh , this is your friend Martin Johnsons website ...
http://www.wiltontech.ie/deter.htm
The decscaler he sells in the ' Eco detergents ' section :D
go th the manufacturers site ... Rolith chemicals ... dutch :D
Translate the msds ... its hydrochloric :D
Hi John,
Just for your information, Wilton Technology supply three different de scalers.
A/ Descaler ZC 32 which is non hazardous and contains an inorganic acid.
B/ Descaler HG which contains phosphoric acid
C/ Machine Descaler which also contains phosphoric acid.
D/ I have found that ZC 40 Cement and Mortar Residue Remover (which is from the same family as ZC 32) is also an excellent Descaler. ZC 40 also contains an inorganic acid.
If you read the information page on the Wilton Technology site you will see that they compare their Descalers against Hydrochloric Acid based descalers.
I trust that this will clear up any misunderstandings that you may have about the Descalers.
Why not contact Matin Johnson for confirmation of these facts
Regards,
Tadgh
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Tadgh , i give you this one :) kinda
I may have speed read my translator ... so its phosphoric ... plenty could be made of the negative effects on health or this too , dont see i as any more ' Eco ' than others that could be used ...
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I use this, get it from my local plumbing agent
http://www.fernox.com/files/Fernox/Content/PDF/English/DS3%202kg%20new.pdf
Hey Mike,might try this as my suppliers has no prochem descaler in stock...machine has never been descaled in 7 years.You think i will; notice a different in heat after the one descale?
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I use this, get it from my local plumbing agent
http://www.fernox.com/files/Fernox/Content/PDF/English/DS3%202kg%20new.pdf
Mike,got some of this today,how much do you add and how long do you leave it in the machine,thanks....
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Flush it through and let it heat up I would put a solution line from the machine outlet QC into the water box so it flows through the full system,
thinking about it I would let the machine heat up first so the water in the box is hot then add a concentrated solution into the box, let it flow until the colour changes (20mins ish)
Then flush it through with clean water.
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Thank you Mike.