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Title: Filling up faster?
Post by: Rob@Blast off on November 01, 2014, 07:25:01 pm
I seem to spend ages waiting around for my tank to fill up, it's alright when I have a constant feed to it but today we're working about 200m away from the tap and wasting to much time filling up my 400l tank before moving round the building to carry on cleaning, currently using 50m of garden hose but would a bigger diameter hose be any quicker?
Title: Re: Filling up faster?
Post by: Smudger on November 02, 2014, 04:03:07 pm
Yes Lee I believe so, you get less back pressure/friction in bigger hose diameters.

after using a standpipe where I could only attach 1" diameter hose, I continued using it for normal works ( waste not want not ) and have noticed that in low water pressure areas the tank fills quicker than in the past using 1/2" garden hose

HTH

Darran
Title: Re: Filling up faster?
Post by: Rob@Blast off on November 02, 2014, 04:22:22 pm
I'm Rob  ;D
Picked up a 3/4 hose and its filling up faster, nearly done now  :D
Title: Re: Filling up faster?
Post by: Smudger on November 02, 2014, 04:51:40 pm
Sorry, blast away, blast off....  All the same to me  :o

Think I'll just ✖️✖️✖️✖️ Off....😄😄😄😝

Darran
Title: Re: Filling up faster?
Post by: Matt Gibson on November 02, 2014, 07:14:12 pm
I thought about getting 3/4 hose but i cant fit enough on my fill hose reel.
Title: Re: Filling up faster?
Post by: Rob@Blast off on November 02, 2014, 08:25:10 pm
Darren what connector do you use to fit it on a tap as I wouldn't mind getting about 15m of 1' for filling up.
In the end we had 50m of 3/4, 50m of 1/2 and then 100m of micro bore all joined up  tricking in to the tank just to keep running longer between fill ups.
Will hire a bowser next time.
Title: Re: Filling up faster?
Post by: Smudger on November 02, 2014, 09:07:23 pm
That's a good question, I'm roof cleaning tomorrow, so I'll take a look as I can't remember off hand😩

Darran
Title: Re: Filling up faster?
Post by: cleaning4usussex on November 02, 2014, 09:27:23 pm
My 21ltr a minute machine emptys my wheelie bin quite quickly when customers feed isn't great I was thinking how the hell people with 30 ltrs a minute machines cope!
Jamie
Title: Re: Filling up faster?
Post by: Rob_Mac on November 02, 2014, 09:34:51 pm
Cleaning4

I will try and give sensible and on topic responses!

There won't be many people with 30 LPM machines that don't have an onboard tank, at a minimum of 1000 litres

Rob ;D
Title: Re: Filling up faster?
Post by: Rob_Mac on November 02, 2014, 09:36:46 pm
I've been working tonight and it has Just took short of 2 hours to fill my tank, from a Sainsbury's service yard, filler hose was 150 m long. Emptied in 1 hour if I had not had it on permanent fill

Rob ;D
Title: Re: Filling up faster?
Post by: Smudger on November 02, 2014, 09:39:45 pm
Careful rob, you know who will be along shortly (sigh)

Darran
Title: Re: Filling up faster?
Post by: cleaning4usussex on November 02, 2014, 09:43:58 pm
I see you have just over half an hour flat out without filling up bit like mine my tank is smaller but I'm only using 21 ltrs a minute I suppose it's all about how quick you can fill your tank and weather you ease off now and again so tank catches up a bit
Jamie cleaning4u
Title: Re: Filling up faster?
Post by: Rob_Mac on November 02, 2014, 09:48:02 pm
I am sure there will be a way of working out, what goes in (LPM) to what goes out via the pressure washer and then how much is filling on constant and then doing some daft mathematics will giv you the additional time gained from a full tank on permanent fill.

I tried to make that make sense but i've confused myself now.

Darren - He doesn't want to post on threads I am discussing. It's only taken me three years to get rid of him ;D

Rob ;D
Title: Re: Filling up faster?
Post by: Smudger on November 02, 2014, 09:54:43 pm
🙈🙉🙊


👍👍👍
Title: Re: Filling up faster?
Post by: Rob_Mac on November 02, 2014, 10:01:54 pm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernoulli's_principle

Cleaning4 - there's all the information you need on fluid dynamics in the link. Enjoy those equations ???

Darren

No idea what that is mate ???

Rob ;D
Title: Re: Filling up faster?
Post by: chris scott on November 02, 2014, 10:04:03 pm
I see you have just over half an hour flat out without filling up bit like mine my tank is smaller but I'm only using 21 ltrs a minute I suppose it's all about how quick you can fill your tank and weather you ease off now and again so tank catches up a bit
Jamie cleaning4u
Change your nozzles (lance/whirlaway) for a slightly smaller ones.. turn down the revs on the machine.
You will then be operating at the same pressure but with reduced flow ...your machine will be better matched to your water feed . You can continue cleaning without stopping. As long as the water feed is realistic.
Go for an 055 in your lance and 025's in your flat surface cleaner...you should not suffer too much in performance . Your machine will then be operating at 200bar @ 17 lpm assuming it's a 200bar 21lpm pump.
Your customer won't have to watch you not cleaning whilst he is paying you.
Title: Re: Filling up faster?
Post by: Rob_Mac on November 02, 2014, 10:05:52 pm
You were right Darren ;D

Rob ;D
Title: Re: Filling up faster?
Post by: cleaning4usussex on November 02, 2014, 10:14:56 pm
Thanks
Title: Re: Filling up faster?
Post by: Smudger on November 02, 2014, 10:21:30 pm
Sometimes it's good too be right, sadly not in this case.....

 ;D ;D ;D

Hopefully Mr Martin will email me directly tomorrow concerning my blue slate problem

Anyway,  not to go off topic, I'd rather be bashing out the work full throttle, and having the odd natural break than faffing around balancing nozzles, and revs for my machine, if I did that I might have well got a little poxy thing in the first place.

Night all ( including Chris )

Darran
Title: Re: Filling up faster?
Post by: chris scott on November 02, 2014, 10:24:58 pm
Thanks
No problem
Title: Re: Filling up faster?
Post by: chris scott on November 03, 2014, 06:55:14 am
Sometimes it's good too be right, sadly not in this case.....

 ;D ;D ;D

Hopefully Mr Martin will email me directly tomorrow concerning my blue slate problem

Anyway,  not to go off topic, I'd rather be bashing out the work full throttle, and having the odd natural break than faffing around balancing nozzles, and revs for my machine, if I did that I might have well got a little poxy thing in the first place.

Night all ( including Chris )

Darran

Do you mainly clean windows?
Title: Re: Filling up faster?
Post by: Matt Gibson on November 03, 2014, 08:28:19 am
For fitting for the 1" i think you'll be best off with Geka fittings. https://www.google.co.uk/webhp?source=search_app&gws_rd=ssl#safe=off&q=geka+hose+fittings&spell=1

You can get female threaded ones you can match to the thread of the tap/standpipe, then just buy the hose barb ones for your hoses.