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UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Hard Floor Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: john martin on October 19, 2014, 12:41:12 pm
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but i have to do a subway restaurant as part of a carpet job ...
Its mainly the black dirt in the grey grout lines ..
what would be good and quick to break down the grout dirt ... i poked it with a
blade its rock hard .
I can get speed stripper ? would that dissolve the black quickly ?
I would have a multiwash , a lowspeed rotary with pads , a bristly hard floor wand ( never tried it ) . Should i try and make a long handle grout brush or would a deck scrub do , dont think i have time to pick up a proper grout brush , also not sure if the black brushes on the multiwash are aggressive enough but perhaps when its dissolved it will .
Would u put a finish on these tiles ... i have not being asked to .
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but i have to do a subway restaurant as part of a carpet job ...
Its mainly the black dirt in the grey grout lines ..
what would be good and quick to break down the grout dirt ... i poked it with a
blade its rock hard .
I can get speed stripper ? would that dissolve the black quickly ?
I would have a multiwash , a lowspeed rotary with pads , a bristly hard floor wand ( never tried it ) . Should i try and make a long handle grout brush or would a deck scrub do , dont think i have time to pick up a proper grout brush , also not sure if the black brushes on the multiwash are aggressive enough but perhaps when its dissolved it will .
Would u put a finish on these tiles ... i have not being asked to .
Hi John, Subway restaurants are under contract to only use specific chemicals in their stores, they mop their floors on a daily basis with kentucky mops and high alkaline based chemicals which cause the problems. we supply many Subway shops in Ireland with a deep cleaning system to undo the problems you are dealing with, our deep cleaning concept will bring the floor back like new and you wont need any machines other than a wet pick up vac to carry out the job, if you are interested you can send me an email info@jskcleaning.ie or call me at 00353 87 9406650 i can give you plenty of phone numbers for Subway owners if you want to talk to them first as they swear by our deep cleaning concept, but they keep it hidden for obvious reasons. Regards Tadgh
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Tadgh , i dont really have time this time to look into many options as its tomorrow but thanks for the offer , perhaps sometime il look into what you offer .
What you are saying is that the subway daily moping routine is merely pushing the dirt into the grout lines where it builds up ?
If someone tells me there is a new cleaning concept ... but they dont go into detail i get suspicious as there is so much BS in cleaning industry .
Perhaps your concept maintains the floor better and prevents the issues they have but i will initially have to remove the gunk ... and i'd like to do it as quickly and with the least back effort as possible . :)
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Tadgh , i dont really have time this time to look into many options as its tomorrow but thanks for the offer , perhaps sometime il look into what you offer .
What you are saying is that the subway daily moping routine is merely pushing the dirt into the grout lines where it builds up ?
If someone tells me there is new cleaning a concept ... but they dont go into detail i get suspicious as there is so much BS in cleaning industry .
Perhaps your concept maintains the floor better and prevents the issues they have but i will initially have to remove the gunk ... and i'd like to do it as quickly and with the least back effort as possible . :)
Hi John, i totally agree with you about all the BS in the cleaning industry, thats why i recommended to give you some phone numbers for Subway owners that we deal with, as they would tell you first hand the problems they encounter with the mops and chemicals they have to use to stay compliant with head office decisions, if they are found to be using other companies products they can receive severe penalties, thats why i say for obvious reasons they have to keep our deep cleaning concept hidden. Regards Tadgh
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Tadgh, can you email me some details of your deep cleaning concept please - steveallan2@hotmail.com.
Ta.
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Tadgh, can you email me some details of your deep cleaning concept please - steveallan2@hotmail.com.
Ta.
Hi Steve, will get the info sent from the office in the morning.
Thank you for your interest Steve.
Kind regards
Tadgh
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Tadgh , i dont really have time this time to look into many options as its tomorrow but thanks for the offer , perhaps sometime il look into what you offer .
What you are saying is that the subway daily moping routine is merely pushing the dirt into the grout lines where it builds up ?
If someone tells me there is new cleaning a concept ... but they dont go into detail i get suspicious as there is so much BS in cleaning industry .
Perhaps your concept maintains the floor better and prevents the issues they have but i will initially have to remove the gunk ... and i'd like to do it as quickly and with the least back effort as possible . :)
Hi John, i totally agree with you about all the BS in the cleaning industry, thats why i recommended to give you some phone numbers for Subway owners that we deal with, as they would tell you first hand the problems they encounter with the mops and chemicals they have to use to stay compliant with head office decisions, if they are found to be using other companies products they can receive severe penalties, thats why i say for obvious reasons they have to keep our deep cleaning concept hidden. Regards Tadgh
Tadgh , that explains why the restaurant staff keep your concept hidden ... but not why you cant go into detail here .
Just explain the process , the products used and the equipment involved so we can compare the benefits to what else is out there .
Talking about hidden processes etc just makes u sound like a snake oil salesman .
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Tadgh , i dont really have time this time to look into many options as its tomorrow but thanks for the offer , perhaps sometime il look into what you offer .
What you are saying is that the subway daily moping routine is merely pushing the dirt into the grout lines where it builds up ?
If someone tells me there is new cleaning a concept ... but they dont go into detail i get suspicious as there is so much BS in cleaning industry .
Perhaps your concept maintains the floor better and prevents the issues they have but i will initially have to remove the gunk ... and i'd like to do it as quickly and with the least back effort as possible . :)
Hi John, i totally agree with you about all the BS in the cleaning industry, thats why i recommended to give you some phone numbers for Subway owners that we deal with, as they would tell you first hand the problems they encounter with the mops and chemicals they have to use to stay compliant with head office decisions, if they are found to be using other companies products they can receive severe penalties, thats why i say for obvious reasons they have to keep our deep cleaning concept hidden. Regards Tadgh
Tadgh , that explains why the restaurant staff keep your concept hidden ... but not why you cant go into detail here .
Just explain the process , the products used and the equipment involved so we can compare the benefits to what else is out there .
Talking about hidden processes etc just makes u sound like a snake oil salesman .
Hi John, i have talked many times on here about our deep cleaning concept and shared videos if you want to take the time to look over some of my older posts, or if you want you can email info@jskcleaning.ie and i will be happy to forward you on information. Regards Tadgh
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I had a quick flick through your posts and i cant find any hard info ... why not just tell me in three lines what you would use for my situation and the composition of the product and post the msds sheet ( i have a science diploma i can handle it )
I can only see three videos on your youtube page and none are relevant ...
The impression i get is you are buying in colloidal concentrate and branding it under various names and using various concentraions for different applications , perhaps there is another version with abrasive substances added or something to vary the consistency etc .
The reason im not fond of your type of sales strategy is that iv seen it before in the carpet section ... differentiate your product from others by talking it up and discrediting existing products by calling them old technology etc we have seen this with ' Microsplitters ' a new concept of cleaning product claiming to be based on advanced technology ... but if fact turned out to be a scoop of common phosphate in a can of water . Another example is Ed Valantine talking up his extractors ... they were advanced and offered higher performance because they have ' thru flo systems ' etc ... turns out that was just a bit of pipe from his local hardware store and the build was crap .
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I had a quick flick through your posts and i cant find any hard info ... why not just tell me in three lines what you would use for my situation and the composition of the product and post the msds sheet ( i have a science diploma i can handle it )
I can only see three videos on your youtube page and none are relevant ...
The impression i get is you are buying in colloidal concentrate and branding it under various names and using various concentraions for different applications , perhaps there is another version with abrasive substances added or something to vary the consistency etc .
The reason im not fond of your type of sales strategy is that iv seen it before in the carpet section ... differentiate your product from others by talking it up and discrediting existing products by calling them old technology etc we have seen this with ' Microsplitters ' a new concept of cleaning product claiming to be based on advanced technology ... but if fact turned out to be a scoop of common phosphate in a can of water . Another example is Ed Valantine talking up his extractors ... they were advanced and offered higher performance because they have ' thru flo systems ' etc ... turns out that was just a bit of pipe from his local hardware store and the build was crap .
Hi John, if you go back to youtube and type in Jsk cleaning, you will see a video on deep cleaning ceramic tiles, this video will show you the perfect solution to the problems which occur in Subway stores all over the world because they all use cotton string mops and aggressive cleaning chemicals which is why your customer is looking to have their floor deep cleaned.
Just to let you know John if you think Microsplitters are a new concept in cleaning we were using them over 15 years ago and yes now i would class them as old school technology.
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I typed in jsk cleaning and the tile one does not come up for me ? link ?
I know the history of ' Microsplitters ' involves a bankrupt American and few UK guys scrambling over each other to make a quick buck .
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I typed in jsk cleaning and the tile one does not come up for me ? link ?
I know the history of ' Microsplitters ' involves a bankrupt American and few UK guys scrambling over each other to make a quick buck .
Hi John, go to youtube type in jsk cleaning, on the first page of videos you will see cleaning ceramic tiles this video will give you a solution if its of interest to you. Regards Tadgh
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This is the results page Tadgh ?
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=jsk+cleaning
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I typed in jsk cleaning and the tile one does not come up for me ? link ?
I know the history of ' Microsplitters ' involves a bankrupt American and few UK guys scrambling over each other to make a quick buck .
Hi John, sorry i should of said when you go into youtube type in jskcleaning all one word this will bring you to all our videos and you will see on the first page, cleaning ceramic tiles, this video shows how to deep clean grout lines and tile surfaces. Regards Tadgh
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Nice videos Tadgh ... but your groutl ooks positively clean compared to the deep tar muck im facing .
I will be going with speed stripper ... mechanical agitation ... heat ... and what ever else i can throw at it .
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Nice videos Tadgh ... but your grout positively clean compared to the deep tar muck im facing .
I will be going with speed stripper ... mechanical agitation ... heat ... and what ever else i can throw at it .
Thanks John, you might laugh at this but if the soils are that ingrained into the grout lines here is an idea that we have often resorted to, take a dessert spoon and tie it or strap it onto the end of a wooden brush handle use the shaft of the spoon to scrape along the grout lines and the compacted soils will peel away from the pressure of the spoon handle getting in under them, this method will remove most of the compacted soils and as the handle is blunt it will not scratch the grout lines, you can then finish cleaning the grout lines with your cleaning solution, multiwash, and heat. hope that this can be of benefit and save you time. Regards Tadgh
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Nice videos Tadgh ... but your grout positively clean compared to the deep tar muck im facing .
I will be going with speed stripper ... mechanical agitation ... heat ... and what ever else i can throw at it .
Thanks John, you might laugh at this but if the soils are that ingrained into the grout lines here is an idea that we have often resorted to, take a dessert spoon and tie it or strap it onto the end of a wooden brush handle use the shaft of the spoon to scrape along the grout lines and the compacted soils will peel away from the pressure of the spoon handle getting in under them, this method will remove most of the compacted soils and as the handle is blunt it will not scratch the grout lines, you can then finish cleaning the grout lines with your cleaning solution, multiwash, and heat. hope that this can be of benefit and save you time. Regards Tadgh
Hopefully it wont come to that but , I like that tip Tadgh , thanks !
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Tadgh is correct. The problem is simply emulsified dirt in the grout joints and some dirt on the tiles.
My method although Tadgh disagrees is simple and it works. It will cost you less than £10 in mats provided you have a Mono Rotary, a soft to med brush and a decent wet vac. You don't need speed strip.
Pre wet the floor.
Apply Heavy Duty Tile and Grout Cleaner diluted 3:1
Allow to dwell then agitate with Mono rotary machine fitted with soft to medium brush and allow to dwell again
Agitate again
Extract with wet vac
rinse thoroughly
Extract again
Seal grout and go home
Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics
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Tadgh is correct. The problem is simply emulsified dirt in the grout joints and some dirt on the tiles.
My method although Tadgh disagrees is simple and it works. It will cost you less than £10 in mats provided you have a Mono Rotary, a soft to med brush and a decent wet vac. You don't need speed strip.
Pre wet the floor.
Apply Heavy Duty Tile and Grout Cleaner diluted 3:1
Allow to dwell then agitate with Mono rotary machine fitted with soft to medium brush and allow to dwell again
Agitate again
Extract with wet vac
rinse thoroughly
Extract again
Seal grout and go home
Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics
Thanks for that , i sure it will be fine . Not doing it til wed now so i can pick up a grout brush a few bits . I have no brush on my rotary which is something i need to get if i do more floors .
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John, i have had problems with grout lines in the past and other products have not touched it, i have used Heavy Duty Tile and Grout cleaner and pre-wetted floor as Kevin says and also used a little bit of honing powder for added deep clean of some particularly heavy dirt and they came up a treat.
If you do look to do more hard floors i would certainly recommend a course, i'm sure you already know that, i recently did Kevin's course in Birmingham and can recommend it.
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Try the Karcher hot floor steamer. Works like a dream and no chemicals.
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Tadgh is correct. The problem is simply emulsified dirt in the grout joints and some dirt on the tiles.
My method although Tadgh disagrees is simple and it works. It will cost you less than £10 in mats provided you have a Mono Rotary, a soft to med brush and a decent wet vac. You don't need speed strip.
Pre wet the floor.
Apply Heavy Duty Tile and Grout Cleaner diluted 3:1
Allow to dwell then agitate with Mono rotary machine fitted with soft to medium brush and allow to dwell again
Agitate again
Extract with wet vac
rinse thoroughly
Extract again
Seal grout and go home
Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics
Hi Kevin, its not your method we both have different opinions on using harsh high alkaline based chemicals and i thought we were going to leave it at that. i have admitted Kevin that i used them for many years myself when eventually i realized how damaging they are from continuous use and decided to stop using them or promoting them, my point being there are safer solutions to solve these problems, i have never got into the details and explained what causes the damage from using harsh high alkaline based chemicals i think that information is clearly available from the manufacturers as they have to show clearly on their technical and safety data sheets, so they are there for everyone to see.
Again with todays advances in technology there are many safer alternatives.
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Tadgh
We are never going to agree so leave it at that! I have already said from now on I will be offering a system that works on the same method as you advocate in future on my courses. Then people can try both and make their own decision on which is best! Job done!!
Kevin
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Tadgh
We are never going to agree so leave it at that! I have already said from now on I will be offering a system that works on the same method as you advocate in future on my courses. Then people can try both and make their own decision on which is best! Job done!!
Kevin
Hi Kevin, Just to let you know our method has taken over 20 years to develop as there are many different parts to it some of which are patent pending so i cant see how you are going to be able to promote our method on your courses.
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Tadgh
Colloid science was discovered over 150 years ago. Aqua mix introduced NanoScrub to the Market nearly 15 years ago. The method you use may well be in your opinion the best but you can only state that if you have tried every other cleaner and method on the market.
I will rephrase my statement for you:
"I will be introducing a method similar to the one you advocate on our courses in future so that people can make an informed decision" (In plain terms so that there is no ambiguity for you a method that relies on mechanical cleaning without the aid of Alkalines or Acids).
Kevin
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Tadgh
Colloid science was discovered over 150 years ago. Aqua mix introduced NanoScrub to the Market nearly 15 years ago. The method you use may well be in your opinion the best but you can only state that if you have tried every other cleaner and method on the market.
I will rephrase my statement for you:
"I will be introducing a method similar to the one you advocate on our courses in future so that people can make an informed decision" (In plain terms so that there is no ambiguity for you a method that relies on mechanical cleaning without the aid of Alkalines or Acids).
Kevin
Kevin, in fairness i never said or tried to maintain that our method was the best, just to clarify that. Tadgh
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Couple of pics from my tile job ..
Having no brush on my rotary meant serious back work with the grout brush ! but if i hadn't picked up a proper grout brush i might as well have gone home .
Other things i learned ... a long dwell time makes life easier .
The multiwash is decent at picking up the slurry ... useless for grout agitation .
A hardfloor wand i got from america is the single most useless thing i ever bought .
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John,
Should have gone for tadgh method, much simpler/easier with decent results.
I was up in Gateshead last couple of days cleaning some carpets, happed to mention the floor tiles needed a clean in the lab/canteen/toilet areas, now as they have a royal visitor today a quick demo and they went ahead with the clean, an added bonus for myself.
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Couple of pics from my tile job ..
Having no brush on my rotary meant serious back work with the grout brush ! but if i hadn't picked up a proper grout brush i might as well have gone home .
Other things i learned ... a long dwell time makes life easier .
The multiwash is decent at picking up the slurry ... useless for grout agitation .
A hardfloor wand i got from america is the single most useless thing
i ever bought .
John
The important thing is you learned loads it is not a bad result and hopefully you got paid.
Kevin
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John,
Should have gone for tadgh method, much simpler/easier with decent results.
I was up in Gateshead last couple of days cleaning some carpets, happed to mention the floor tiles needed a clean in the lab/canteen/toilet areas, now as they have a royal visitor today a quick demo and they went ahead with the clean, an added bonus for myself.
I had the same grout brush as Tadgh :D
What difference would it made though , i would still have to had scrubbed the grout lines . And i can see anything breaking down the dirt quicker than my speed stripper ?
How much would u guys charge generally for that area ?
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John
How many M2 was it?
How long did it take you?
Kev
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John
How many M2 was it?
How long did it take you?
Kev
Not sure , what you see in the pic + about 4 meters back behind the camera . There is a green tile border on all of it . Took about four hours .
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John
Looks about 50M2 if the tiles are 12" x 12" 30 x 30
I would have charged around £10M2 for that! and another £100 for sealing the grout
Kev
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John
Looks about 50M2 if the tiles are 12" x 12" 30 x 30
I would have charged around £10M2 for that! and another £100 for sealing the grout
Kev
Thanks for that , i didnt quote near that . I have a lot to learn about tile pricing also !
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John
Looks about 50M2 if the tiles are 12" x 12" 30 x 30
I would have charged around £10M2 for that! and another £100 for sealing the grout
Kev
Thanks for that , i didnt quote near that . I have a lot to learn about tile pricing also !
John
The important thing is that you learned a lot! You can't buy experience! A rotary fitted with a soft to medium brush and some HDT&G Cleaner is the way forward! Then the grout brush is only required for the stubborn bits. The brush and the HDT&G does the work
Kevin
Kev
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The multiwash is decent at picking up the slurry ... useless for grout agitation .
The blue brushes are a worthwhile investment for the multiwash.