Clean It Up
UK General Cleaning Forum => General Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Richy L on October 10, 2014, 03:58:30 pm
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I bought a FSC a couple of years ago from ebay, US and had it shipped over here. I had my local PW guy put on the right nozzles and connectors.
I have used it on a couple of occasions, but I dont rate it much. It now sits in the shed.
I found on block paving it didnt clean deep enough between the blocks. There was lots of moss still there.
Would a better quality FSC work better?
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...I have a honda gx390 21 lpm 200bar
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That's the same as mine, any heavy moss seems to be a no no I much prefer turbo nozzle, quicker and more effective.
I think you need something with a bit more grunt power wise.
Darran
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More power?
I don't think that would be a problem, surely? It is a powerful machine.
I have always used a turbo and other lances, but the overspray is a pain sometimes.
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Yes I think the experts like blast away and rob have 400 bar and 30 lpm
But maybe a mossmatic would clean better than a cheaper type.
Darran
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the 30lpm are twin operative machines really. The Falch is on another level.
I know people do run FSC from machines 15lpm+
This is the one I bought:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BE-Pressure-BE-1200WAW-12-Whirl-A-Way-Flat-Surface-Cleaner-/121342782170?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c4097eada
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Richy
I have the same bar & pressure -just more flow.
The FSC will split the 21 LPM across the cleaning bar, so you get 10.5 LPM on each nozzle. Ask yourself whether that is enough to clean something that has probably been down for a couple of years, has grown a root system that may go underneath the block etc.
FSC's are alright if you are working on less heavily soiled areas but I don't care who you are if you have to split the flow then you are going to have to get the lance out because you ain't getting enough flow on each nozzle to cut through it - not with heavy moss build up.
Rob ;D
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On mine the mossy is 21 inch and is set up for 35 LPM and the H & M. I'm getting 17 LPM on each outlet. I wouldn't be happy with that.
On the Thor (which is currently on Ebay) I have 40 LPM and the Mossy has 3 arms, splitting the flow to 13 LPM.
I don't arse around with nozzles, once they are set up I leave them, Carl or the cock from Crosby may be able to tell you that you can do it by working on the nozzle sizes.
Rob ;D
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I bought a FSC a couple of years ago from ebay, US and had it shipped over here. I had my local PW guy put on the right nozzles and connectors.
I have used it on a couple of occasions, but I dont rate it much. It now sits in the shed.
I found on block paving it didnt clean deep enough between the blocks. There was lots of moss still there.
Would a better quality FSC work better?
Try 03's in each arm and ....15 degree nozzles. I would hazard a guess that you have 25 degree fitted.
Strictly speaking your nozzle size should be 065 split between the two arms on the FSC (but that ain't possible)...so you could go either 03's or 035's (at a loss in pressure). Assuming there are two arms on the FSC .(02's if there are 3)
The reduction in spray pattern ie 15 degree compared to 25 degree will help . I would split it also and throw away the cheap 5hit bearing s and fit some jap ones ...they last loads longer.
There are some big nozzle overpriced machines on e-bay... ;D
Regards "cock from Crosby"
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You can buy my kit. Money is money but I would rather give it to the tax man to put on an auction site than give it away.
So stop sending stupid questions, being a k nob and looking for an outlet for your leg dragging and i am happy to talk money
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I run a 20" whirlaway using a 21lpm machine. 03/15 nozzles. Cleans block paving fine.
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The other thing you can do to achieve a better clean is to turn the nozzles - in line with the arm is quicker but less effective, 90 degrees gives the best clean but you have to walk really slow. Get a T bar and then adjustment is really easy.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NEW-T-BAR-PROFESSIONAL-RACING-MX-TRACK-GARAGE-MOTORSPORT-SOCKET-SPANNERS-/281349624460?pt=UK_Car_Parts_Vehicles_Automobila_ET&var=&hash=item4181be928c
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2 x 25025's in our Falch Scater and 2 x 1503's in our 21" Mosmatic and Floater.
We run the 2 of ours at 21LPM 300 bar.
We used to have a machine with 200 @ 30LPM and was a beast but 300 @21LPM with exceptional heat is far better. Not arsed about the extra cost in fuel, it pays for itself in minutes.
Richy get yourself a commercial system and leave behind the domestic petrols.
There's a Falch depot in Manchester now. ;)
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I run a mosmatic, 2 x 1503's, running 21 litres at 250 bar, seems to work very well for me, I hardly ever get the turbo out now, unless its foot high bracken or deep rooted grass. ;D
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Ive been thinking of buying a falch for a while now. I'm on the look out for a good one at the right price.
I was looking at a thermatech or doff as you know but I think falch would be the way forward.
Let me know if you hear of a decent one for sale!
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http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FALCH-AQUA-SPEED-750TDH-DIESEL-HOT-PRESSURE-WASHER-300BAR-/181541731817?pt=UK_Home_Garden_GardenPowerTools_CA&hash=item2a44bafde9
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You can buy my kit. Money is money but I would rather give it to the tax man to put on an auction site than give it away.
So stop sending stupid questions, being a k nob and looking for an outlet for your leg dragging and i am happy to talk money
How much for the Mosmatic and Thor?
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You clearly have my mobile and with my email to your airforce inbox also have my email address. put an offer on the table that is not taking the proverbial and we can go from there but both of us know you won't be getting the Thor for the original offer
Rob ;D
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I cannot buy it and sell it...how much do you want for it?. Your way out at £8500 plus vat ...you could nearly buy new for that.
If I email/phone you with an offer you say I am stalking you!
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Where are you getting 8500 from.
That was with the whole set up, reels, lances, hoses, filler hose & reel.
I ain't giving it away but it is the only Thor you will see second hand and if Lee Kenny can sell a Zeta for 2.5k then it is worth a lot more than your initial offer, for the machine alone.
Text me and I will tell you what I want and i'll give you a separate price for the FSC
Rob ;D
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What do you all think of that Falch BDCS found on ebay?
I dont know what i'm looking for when it comes to these really!
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Looks like it only does 18lpm
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Richy
Do you want a 1 man or 2 man set up - that's probably the 1st question to ask?
Rob ;D
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Only want a one man really. But the more power the better naturally.
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With heat that will be more than enough. Is 5K a lot of money, it is but it is also an investment that has the potential to take you to another level of service and something that you should not be replacing.
The bar pressure takes over from the flow rate on that machine, so what is lost on one is gained on the other.
From my perspective the only downside to Falch is that they are not a two man machine and if you got technical and split the flow then there wouldn't be enough flow to work on cold with two men.
My Thor is for sale on Ebay, 200 bar, 3000 psi & 41 LPM, enough for a very powerful 1 man machine or split @ 20 LPM for 2 men.
Rob ;D
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In my opinion, the Falchs are a great machine, but they aren't for everyone. You need to think about servicing, parts, etc.. You need to replace like for like, parts are expensive apparently (dont quote me though)
Falch machines are top of the line, they look and are professional and they definitely work for people like Lee and Darran, but they aren't for everyone.
You can get a decent Lombardini or Kubota engine driven machine for less, and then you can service them yourself (or get any local service guy to do it) and not have to use Genuine Falch unloaders etc.. and you can swap pumps, build exactly what you want. You can also add a hot box for about £600/£700 and there you have yourself exactly what you want, for less money.
As i said, the Falch machines are top notch, but you need to work out what you need, why you need it and how much your going to use it and get somehting that suits you, not just because of the name.
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Maintaining the Falch could be an issue.
I work on my own, and sub labour when needed. I have no intention of taking on full time staff and stepping away as I like to control what is being done. So two men machines aren't really tempting for me. I like having the pressure washer in van though - parking is easier compared to a trailer, and i worry about the security of a trailer.
I don't mind spending the money if it makes me money.
I don't do any hot cleaning at the moment, but then I don't advertise for it.
I didn't realise you were selling your thor Rob, you haven't mentioned it before ;D
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richy it was me that bought lee's zeta and the difference going from a honda 340 to the zeta has made realise I should of done this a couple of years ago, if you're near bristol and want a demo give me shout, cheers jon
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cheers jon.
I'm in Chepstow, so just over the bridge.
Was the Zeta hot?
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cheers jon.
I'm in Chepstow, so just over the bridge.
Was the Zeta hot?
No it's not hot rich but that is my next step to sort out a decent hot box for it for a couple of drive throughs we do, had bit of an expensive august and sept so proberly gonna have to wait a couple of months :)
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We haven't bought unloaders from Falch. They're only Falch branded, when ours needed changing we sourced them and our service guy brought them in from G&S. We just swapped over the plastic numptys to keep it looking original.