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UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Carpet Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: David Ware on October 02, 2014, 01:23:53 pm
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Not having much experience with leather cleaning, which products would be preferred
L.T.T. Products
Furniture Clinic Leather Products
David
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Buffalo Leather for me every time
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Not tried LTT but I get good results with FC's Ultra Clean and Protection Cream.
Dave.
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FC is an international brand that does not talk on the forums to the potential customers, no silly advertising, just quality. If you know what I mean. Choose a brand not talkers.
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LTT products for me every time. Great products and great advice / support from Judy. :)
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Hi Guys,
We have developed an excellent method for deep cleaning all types of washable leather.
For anyone looking to provide a good add on service to their clients this is the perfect fit. We have many carpet cleaners now using this method with much success
Our Bio Kleen Heavy Duty Cleaner has multiple applications & it is particularly effective when deep cleaning white and cream leather furniture. If you take a look at the below videos and images you will see the products in use.
Deep Cleaning White Leather Couch in Car Showroom
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76B2Cq24PDw&list=UUWmS4P-1eViUCwdWe4XCdvw&index=2
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/55633448/White%20Leather%20Seating.jpg
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/55633448/White%20Leather%20Coach%20Complete.jpg
Deep Cleaning Office Chair
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48vnxW9G1i8&list=UUWmS4P-1eViUCwdWe4XCdvw&index=3
Additional Images (Green Leather)
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/55633448/Green%20Leather.jpg
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/55633448/Green%20Leather%202.jpg
This heavy duty deep cleaner is non hazardous & completely safe to use, it will not cause any detrimental damage to the leather being cleaned.
For anyone looking to protect the surface after it has been deep cleaned we carry two unique nano based sealers
For anyone requiring further information just drop me an email on info@jskcleaning.ie
regards
Tadgh
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is that a colloidal solution?
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Tadgh,
Is that the same bio clean you sent me for vinyl and laminates ? very impressed with that. and the pads are they the same or different ?
Geoff
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I did a one to one training course with Jacky at bufalo a few years ago and I used to use her products,
I have been using FC products ultra its the best leather cleaner ive ever used, and the protector finishes the job nicely ! Very economical and JK supplies it at a better price than FC direct
Stuart
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is that a colloidal solution?
yes Bio-Kleen is based on colloidal micelles technology.
Regards
Tadgh
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Tadgh,
Is that the same bio clean you sent me for vinyl and laminates ? very impressed with that. and the pads are they the same or different ?
Geoff
Hi Geoff, yes its the same solution and same microcleaning pads.
Tadgh
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i notice yours dilutes much stronger than other colloids, are you just making the concentrate thinner or is it different to the others?
i heard of mpower being used on leather before
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Thanks tadgh,
I will give them a go when I get back off my hols,
Only a weeks golfing in sunny espania ;D oh and perhaps a drink
Geoff
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isnt it just a magic wiper , sure that water and a magic sponge would do the same Take the top layer of the leather ???
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isnt it just a magic wiper , sure that water and a magic sponge would do the same Take the top layer of the leather ???
Hi Neil, its all about using the right pads and safe solutions, when you combine these two technologies the results are phenomenal and i can promise all without taking any layer from the leather.
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So where do you get this stuff, it looks interesting?
Simon
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So where do you get this stuff, it looks interesting?
Simon
Hi Simon, i will send you on the info.
Cheers
Tadgh
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I did a one to one training course with Jacky at bufalo a few years ago and I used to use her products,
I have been using FC products ultra its the best leather cleaner ive ever used, and the protector finishes the job nicely ! Very economical and JK supplies it at a better price than FC direct
Stuart
Hi Stuart, just to let you know Bio-Kleen solution for deep cleaning washable leather is sold in concentrate, 5 litre concentrate will produce 35 x 750ml ready to use trigger spray bottles.
so 1 x 750ml trigger spray bottle works out at £1.00
We also supply a high quality 750ml trigger spray bottle and dispensing drum pump free with every order of 5 litre concentrate.
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Hi Guys,
We have developed an excellent method for deep cleaning all types of washable leather.
For anyone looking to provide a good add on service to their clients this is the perfect fit. We have many carpet cleaners now using this method with much success
Our Bio Kleen Heavy Duty Cleaner has multiple applications & it is particularly effective when deep cleaning white and cream leather furniture. If you take a look at the below videos and images you will see the products in use.
Deep Cleaning White Leather Couch in Car Showroom
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76B2Cq24PDw&list=UUWmS4P-1eViUCwdWe4XCdvw&index=2
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/55633448/White%20Leather%20Seating.jpg
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/55633448/White%20Leather%20Coach%20Complete.jpg
Deep Cleaning Office Chair
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48vnxW9G1i8&list=UUWmS4P-1eViUCwdWe4XCdvw&index=3
Additional Images (Green Leather)
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/55633448/Green%20Leather.jpg
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/55633448/Green%20Leather%202.jpg
This heavy duty deep cleaner is non hazardous & completely safe to use, it will not cause any detrimental damage to the leather being cleaned.
For anyone looking to protect the surface after it has been deep cleaned we carry two unique nano based sealers
For anyone requiring further information just drop me an email on info@jskcleaning.ie
regards
Tadgh
Only watched one video and that was the guy cleaning the white leather chair.
DO NOT CLEAN PIGMENTED LEATHER THIS WAY GUYS
He is cleaning it with a melamine sponge the chemicals he is using are non ionic and there is no surfactant , this will cause the sponge to become very very aggressive and will damage and remove the top coat. You can actually hear quite well the grinding sound as he cleans it.
Tadgh, it's clear you have very little experience with leather cleaning and restoration.
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isnt it just a magic wiper , sure that water and a magic sponge would do the same Take the top layer of the leather ???
Correct Neil
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Hi Guys,
We have developed an excellent method for deep cleaning all types of washable leather.
For anyone looking to provide a good add on service to their clients this is the perfect fit. We have many carpet cleaners now using this method with much success
Our Bio Kleen Heavy Duty Cleaner has multiple applications & it is particularly effective when deep cleaning white and cream leather furniture. If you take a look at the below videos and images you will see the products in use.
Deep Cleaning White Leather Couch in Car Showroom
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76B2Cq24PDw&list=UUWmS4P-1eViUCwdWe4XCdvw&index=2
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/55633448/White%20Leather%20Seating.jpg
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/55633448/White%20Leather%20Coach%20Complete.jpg
Deep Cleaning Office Chair
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48vnxW9G1i8&list=UUWmS4P-1eViUCwdWe4XCdvw&index=3
Additional Images (Green Leather)
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/55633448/Green%20Leather.jpg
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/55633448/Green%20Leather%202.jpg
This heavy duty deep cleaner is non hazardous & completely safe to use, it will not cause any detrimental damage to the leather being cleaned.
For anyone looking to protect the surface after it has been deep cleaned we carry two unique nano based sealers
For anyone requiring further information just drop me an email on info@jskcleaning.ie
regards
Tadgh
Only watched one video and that was the guy cleaning the white leather chair.
DO NOT CLEAN PIGMENTED LEATHER THIS WAY GUYS
He is cleaning it with a melamine sponge the chemicals he is using are non ionic and there is no surfactant , this will cause the sponge to become very very aggressive and will damage and remove the top coat. You can actually hear quite well the grinding sound as he cleans it.
Tadgh, it's clear you have very little experience with leather cleaning and restoration.
Paul i can assure you i have cleaned many washable leather pieces of furniture with this method, used as directed with the instructions provided i have never seen or heard from anyone that it has caused any damage to any washable leather.
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it does sound as though its being sanded rather than just cleaned
almost sounds as though its a synthetic being cleaned not leather
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it does sound as though its being sanded rather than just cleaned
almost sounds as though its a synthetic being cleaned not leather
Yes you are on the ball it was a synthetic leather chair being cleaned, most companies supplying leather cleaning products will recommend the same microcleaning pads for use with their products to deep clean washable leather even though they might have different names for these pads.
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it does sound as though its being sanded rather than just cleaned
almost sounds as though its a synthetic being cleaned not leather
Yes you are on the ball it was a synthetic leather chair being cleaned, most companies supplying leather cleaning products will recommend the same microcleaning pads for use with their products to deep clean washable leather even though they might have different names for these pads.
Using the sponge that way with that type of chemical will have the same surface aggression / result with pigmented leather . On a new well topcoated leather you will not get a massive amount of damage to the naked eye but on a worn leather, which is the majority of cleaning, it will rip the topcoat to shreds and also remove pigment.
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Paul you will have to come cleaning leather sometime with me, I think you would be in for a surprise. Tadgh
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I agree with Paul. For a restoration clean they are brilliant if you are then adding more colour or a top coat. For normal cleaning they are abrasive and will scratch the surface of the pigment.
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Paul you will have to come cleaning leather sometime with me, I think you would be in for a surprise. Tadgh
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Tadgh...e mailed you last night.
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ok - so when the thread is about leather products you pop up and recommend a cleaner and post links to youtube videos that also describe cleaning leather when actually you arent cleaning leather at all?!
whats with this washable leather description!!??
doesnt give you much credibility if you arent even describing your fabrics correctly to be honest when one will be cleaned completely differently to another
recommending a product/method to people who may be new or looking to get into leather cleaning and demonstrating it on what looks like faux suede is very poor - you could be costing someone who isnt sure of what they are doing at worst an insurance claim or at best possibly an unhappy customer
its comes across as you know its a cleaner, it cleans but you dont actually have the experience or knowledge yourself of what you should or can do with it
i wouldnt want you cleaning for me - you believe one thing does it all and actually thats far from the case and whats worse you are selling this to people who havent got the knowledge to know better
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must has been 5-6yrs ago we all tried these sponges and thought they were great, as long as you have massive amounts of solution to keep the sponge lubricated, (you can see tadgh soaking the sponge) but in the end we all saw the errow of our ways when we realised its very easy to remove the top layer of the leather.
they look like they do an amazing job, even with just water.
we all tried them and now we don't use them for general leather cleaning, there must be a reason seasoned professionals stopped using them ::)roll
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well he isnt even cleaning leather with it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Using the sponge that way with that type of chemical will have the same surface aggression / result with pigmented leather . On a new well topcoated leather you will not get a massive amount of damage to the naked eye but on a worn leather, which is the majority of cleaning, it will rip the topcoat to shreds and also remove pigment.
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I would agree with you on this Paul, the pads are abrasive and if not used correctly could definitely damage worn leather surfaces but when used correctly there will be no problems. For any client we supply with this package we provide full instructional details to avoid any mishap taking place. We have been using this method for over 10 years with no difficulties. Like with all cleaning tasks if care is taken to analyse the job in question there should be no problems.
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Magic erasers should never be used to clean leather - they are melamine sand paper and the reason they get good results is that they cut through the top layer of finish (exacerbated by following up with a microfibre cloth).
They are fine to use on hard surfaces, vinyl and laminates (which I suspect is what is being cleaned here) but not leather unless you are doing a restoration process after.
This was tried and tested many years ago and proved to damage the surface which also makes the leather get dirtier again much quicker.
For vinyl and laminates I would love to try some as I have yet to find anything that actually works
Have you checked the surface when you have finished (if it is leather) to see what has happened to it.
What is washable leather? How are you identifying what you are cleaning before you start?
Leaving the cleaner (expert or not) to formulate his own strength is always a risk as a cleaner that is too strong for the finish will cause problems.
Our newly formulated Deep Clean is giving great results if anyone wants to try it.
Hope this helps
Judyb
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from what i understand about colloids is giving the solution time to work is paramount - i dont understand why using a wipe on wipe off method is best, it goes against the way the colloids act on the soiling
they definitely have a place in cleaning and it will be interesting to see how they progress, but its weird how some say it can be used stronger for more stubborn dirt when the dilution is suppose to be high for the chemistry to work?
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from what i understand about colloids is giving the solution time to work is paramount - i dont understand why using a wipe on wipe off method is best, it goes against the way the colloids act on the soiling
they definitely have a place in cleaning and it will be interesting to see how they progress, but its weird how some say it can be used stronger for more stubborn dirt when the dilution is suppose to be high for the chemistry to work?
Higher concentrate will always work better with any chemical ( to a point) however with this chemical it needs to be wetted out quiet a bit to work best.
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Magic erasers should never be used to clean leather - they are melamine sand paper and the reason they get good results is that they cut through the top layer of finish (exacerbated by following up with a microfibre cloth).
They are fine to use on hard surfaces, vinyl and laminates (which I suspect is what is being cleaned here) but not leather unless you are doing a restoration process after.
This was tried and tested many years ago and proved to damage the surface which also makes the leather get dirtier again much quicker.
For vinyl and laminates I would love to try some as I have yet to find anything that actually works
Have you checked the surface when you have finished (if it is leather) to see what has happened to it.
What is washable leather? How are you identifying what you are cleaning before you start?
Leaving the cleaner (expert or not) to formulate his own strength is always a risk as a cleaner that is too strong for the finish will cause problems.
Our newly formulated Deep Clean is giving great results if anyone wants to try it.
Hope this helps
Judyb
Hi Judy, yes i know where you are coming from, you see our micelles product is one of the safest cleaning solutions available to clean leather and as you know there are leathers you can wash and there are leathers that you have to be very careful on what you are using, i take your point on the microcleaning pads as there are many different grades available, when we sell our leather cleaning kit to detailers or end users we always include full instructions, we carry three different grades of microcleaning pads and always use the softer grade melamine pad for our leather cleaning kit, on the microfiber we include a very soft blend terry which is fine for wiping off all the loosened soils and will not abrade the surface, for ongoing maintenance of leather we have unique microfiber detailing cloths which are perfect to clean leather surfaces or any delicate surface as they cant scratch, we have have been cleaning all washable types of leather with this method for years with no problems, and yes i will agree with people about microcleaning pads being abrasive, the grade we use in our kit is the softest grade available but is still abrasive and for this reason its covered very well on the instruction sheet.
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Anything abrasive will deteriorate the finish. There is absolutely no need to use anything such as these if leather is cleaned correctly with products that work safely and gently.
What makes your leather cleaner 'safe'?
As we all know if dirt has damaged the finished then almost anything can cause damage.
How do you recommend testing the leather prior to cleaning to see what type you have and how it should be cleaned particularly to those who have had no training?
Microfibre is fabric and would be cleaned very differently anyway
The point of not using microfibre cloths for cleaning leather is nothing to do with 'scratching' the surface
If you agree that the pads are abrasive why are you supplying them?
Cheers
Judyb
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tadgh, no real detailer would use it on the leather, only cowboys I say, valeters that use to call themselves to be detailers.
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Anything abrasive will deteriorate the finish. There is absolutely no need to use anything such as these if leather is cleaned correctly with products that work safely and gently.
What makes your leather cleaner 'safe'?
As we all know if dirt has damaged the finished then almost anything can cause damage.
How do you recommend testing the leather prior to cleaning to see what type you have and how it should be cleaned particularly to those who have had no training?
Microfibre is fabric and would be cleaned very differently anyway
The point of not using microfibre cloths for cleaning leather is nothing to do with 'scratching' the surface
If you agree that the pads are abrasive why are you supplying them?
Cheers
Judyb
Judy i have used your products in the past and found them to be excellent, our Bio-Kleen heavy duty cleaner is derived from colloid chemistry its non-caustic,non-corrosive,non-toxic, and safe to use on any surface that is washable with water, i agree with you Judy microcleaning pads or melamine pads are abrasive and need to be used with due care and attention when used on soft surfaces, when cleaning leather with colloid chemistry which is very safe and effective our microcleaning pads will eliminate the toughest soils without having to use forceful rubbing action, you can then use a soft terry microfiber cloth to absorb all the loosened soils. this is the method we have been using and sharing for many years now as we have found it to be very productive for us. other companies use other methods and as you know Judy many companies promoting leather cleaning products also promote microcleaning pads to be used in combination with their cleaning solutions for removing ingrained dirt from leather, i am sure they also provide proper instructions on how to use these pads with care when used on leather surfaces, and yes Judy there are different leather types where our method would not be recommended. the reason we sell microcleaning pads is because they are one of the best tools you can have for deep cleaning surfaces, we carry three different grades of microcleaning pads and depending on which type of surface we are cleaning or our clients require we will recommend the most suitable grade pad.
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tadgh, no real detailer would use it on the leather, only cowboys I say, valeters that use to call themselves to be detailers.
Radek, we have professional detailers in the UK who charge theirs clients £100's to detail their vehicles and swear by microcleaning pads because of the results that can be achieved, if you have the right grade microcleaning pad and use them with due care and attention you wont have any problems. Tadgh
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It may appear that the results are good but the damage has been done. Unfortunately most detailers would not understand this without correct training.
Just giving instructions would not be enough I'm afraid.
Products for leather should do the work without the need for abrasion
Hard surfaces which these cleaning pads are good for are never cleaned in the same way as leather.
What do your detailers do when they come across micro pigments and aniline leather on their car interiors which would be found if they are cleaning high end cars and charging £100's of pounds - I'm afraid they are seriously misleading their clients if they are using this method.
Judyb
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It may appear that the results are good but the damage has been done. Unfortunately most detailers would not understand this without correct training.
Just giving instructions would not be enough I'm afraid.
Products for leather should do the work without the need for abrasion
Hard surfaces which these cleaning pads are good for are never cleaned in the same way as leather.
What do your detailers do when they come across micro pigments and aniline leather on their car interiors which would be found if they are cleaning high end cars and charging £100's of pounds - I'm afraid they are seriously misleading their clients if they are using this method.
Judyb
Hi Judy, i agree with you that is why i said for some types of leather it would not be suitable to use our method, and a professional detailer will use his experience when other methods are required.
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Not very professional to use something that damages leather ::)roll
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Not very professional to use something that damages leather ::)roll
Hi Judy, i think its fair to say people worldwide have been using microcleaning pads now for many years both professional and unprofessional for cleaning leather as you and i both know, a professional or experienced detailer will heed the cautions explained on instruction sheets and i am sure will adhere to them, i can tell you Judy genuinely that i have been using microcleaning pads for over 10 years now and have never damaged any washable leather surfaces, and yes i will admit that microcleaning pads are abrasive and if the person using them dose so without due care and attention yes they can damage leather surfaces. Regards Tadgh
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What exactly is 'washable' leather'? Not a technical term I have come across
I certainly hope that professionals do not use them as they know the damage they do
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What exactly is 'washable' leather'? Not a technical term I have come across
As you Know Judy there are many different types of leather, some are safe to wash/clean with water or suitable cleaning solution, others have to be cleaned with specific creams and applicators, i no i don't have to tell you about spot testing first to know which is which.
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tadgh, think you need to attend one of the leather cleaning trainings, Judy does one as well :)
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Water is never a problem for any leather as it needs moisture but incorrect solutions and cleaning methods can do serious damage if used by untrained technicians who do not use the correct 5 step assessment of the leather.
It is still extremely unwise to use this method of cleaning whatever the leather type unless you are going to refinish to restore the damaged finish.
Anyway it seems that you are not prepared to accept that damage is being done so good luck to your customers - let's hope they have the knowledge and your support to put right what goes wrong.
Cheers
Judyb
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tadgh, think you need to attend one of the leather cleaning trainings, Judy does one as well :)
Hi Radek, Just to let you know i have done my leather training many years ago, i presume you have done yours and you will understand where i am coming from. First off Radek pigmented leather is the most durable and is used in the majority of leather upholstery and on most vehicle leather upholstery. I will say this again Radek so others will understand pigmented leather is the most durable available ( as its coated with a polymer layer) other than synthetic of course which is more durable again. if you look at our videos again you will see that one leather chair is synthetic leather and the other is pigmented leather and i can assure you both types are totally safe to clean with colloid chemistry and microcleaning hand pads when used with due care and attention. as you will know pigmented leather contains properties which are resistant to scuffing and fading, again i will admit that microcleaning pads are abrasive but if used with due care and attention will not cause any detrimental damage to pigmented or synthetic leather surfaces. I will say again that i have been using microcleaning pads in combination with colloid chemistry for over 10 years and have never caused any damage to either of these type leather surfaces. Now Radek as you know your leathers i will admit that you need to use specific cleaners and applicators when it comes to cleaning or detailing Antique grain,pull-up leather,Nubuck,Suede,etc.
Just on another note Radek if you go online to purchase leather cleaning solutions you will pay anything from £7 to £10 or even more from some suppliers for a 500ml bottle of ready to use leather cleaning solution, our 750ml bottle of safe cleaning solution for leather works out at 1 euro when purchased in concentrate formula, if you go online to purchase microcleaning pads from leather cleaning suppliers you can pay up to £4 for 1 pad, our microcleaning pads which are the largest size and safest grade for cleaning leather work out at 0.75 euro and come down in price with larger volumes purchased, hope that this information may be of benefit to you. Regards Tadgh
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I can't believe that anyone who claims they are trained in cleaning Leather would promote an abrasive sponge for professionals to use on their customers leather suite's.
You must think we are nieve or very stupid to be taken in by this garbage.
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no tadgh i do not have a training yet, it is my plan in future but now i do not need it. if i clean leather then only pigmented leather that i do not need training for, if its damaged i do not clean it as well. also no need training to understand some basic things.
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when he refers to washable leather he is on about microfibre - not leather at all
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when he refers to washable leather he is on about microfibre - not leather at all
Hi CleanerCarpets, No i am referring to pigmented and synthetic leather as we have been washing/cleaning both these types for many years now with our method, if anyone can show me a safer,quicker,more effective in cost and results, i will gladly come back on here and admit there is one, not only will i admit that there is one, i will use it and also promote it to all our clients. the reason i focus on both these types of leather is because they are the most durable and most popular and easiest to clean. As an add on service to offer any clients i would consider cleaning pigmented or synthetic leather furniture to be one of the most lucrative. Regards Tadgh
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no tadgh i do not have a training yet, it is my plan in future but now i do not need it. if i clean leather then only pigmented leather that i do not need training for, if its damaged i do not clean it as well. also no need training to understand some basic things.
Hi Radek, Yes i would be with you on that. Happy cleaning Tadgh
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Our method is
Safer - does no damage to the finish and uses foam which us much safer than liquid
Quicker - speed isn't everything as long as the method is safe
More effective - yes as no damage is done
Cost effective - yes very little product used and no damage done so no restoration work necessary
These types of leather are only durable if the top finish is intact which it won't be after using this method
Aniline cleaning is far more lucrative financially than pigment coated - easier with today's cleaners too
Hope this helps
Judyb
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Resurrection time....are we saying here that the cleaner in itself is ok to use on leather but not to be used with these sort of sponges?