Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Soupy on September 09, 2014, 02:44:04 pm
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Anyone used one?
(http://www.thecleaningwarehouse.co.uk/ekmps/shops/soapsud/images/unger-n-lite-hydropower-di-vessels-[4]-4710-p.jpg)
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Got a link ?
What's it's supposed to do ?
Darran
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Looks like something that is an over-manufactured plastic pot. Excess to requirement for most window cleaners in that D.I. resin containers dont cost £240 and the required resin sachets cost £33.00 for 6 litres of resin :o :o :o
A manufactured rip-ff.
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Is it for resin, looks like a aquarium filtration pump :-\
Darran
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http://www.windowcleaningwarehouse.co.uk/unger-hydropower.html
It's a resin vessel.
Selling points:
Diffuser for the water - prevents channelling and apparently increases resin life 30%
Quick release.
Obvious downsides:
It's expensive.
Resin comes in a stupid looking sock.
It's made by Unger
Hoselock fittings.
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Looks like something that is an over-manufactured plastic pot. Excess to requirement for most window cleaners in that D.I. resin containers dont cost £240 and the required resin sachets cost £33.00 for 6 litres of resin :o :o :o
A manufactured rip-ff.
Going to have a look at the stupid sock thing, probably be able to fill it with Tulison mb-115
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Looks like something that is an over-manufactured plastic pot. Excess to requirement for most window cleaners in that D.I. resin containers dont cost £240 and the required resin sachets cost £33.00 for 6 litres of resin :o :o :o
A manufactured rip-ff.
Window Licker, these are proving very popular, they are the first DI tank made for window cleaners whether you think over-manufactured = design I don't know. The sacks are easily refillable with the resin of choice. Unger are moving forward in great leaps concerning water fed products, they have the worlds most ridged water fed pole and more to come. Embrace the change!! ;)
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Says the salesman selling ice cubes to eskimo's
Darran
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Looks like something that is an over-manufactured plastic pot. Excess to requirement for most window cleaners in that D.I. resin containers dont cost £240 and the required resin sachets cost £33.00 for 6 litres of resin :o :o :o
A manufactured rip-ff.
Window Licker, these are proving very popular, they are the first DI tank made for window cleaners whether you think over-manufactured = design I don't know. The sacks are easily refillable with the resin of choice. Unger are moving forward in great leaps concerning water fed products, they have the worlds most ridged water fed pole and more to come. Embrace the change!! ;)
Im sure they are proving very popular. Theres plenty of mugs about in all honesty. Its just a plastic moulded cannister though isnt it with a bit of gumf, pretty packaging and a ribbon to smarten its appearance. Probably costs about 20 squid to put together.
I was down at our local van WFP installer a couple of years ago (Im in Basingstoke, so use your noddle and you'll know who). They were in the middle of flogging a system to a couple (looked like man and wife) who obviously hadnt had the good fortune of thinking of using online forums to widen their knowledge. In all honesty they were well and truly shafted pricewise for what they got. I wouldve been ashamed to have taken their money at the rates those salesmen were pulling the wool over their eyes. Here's an example of their charges - £300 for a split charge relay (which they justified by saying it was half a days work for an auto-electrician - which is utter codswallop) Im sure the couple looked pleased as punch with their shiny new boxes, switches, poles and reels when thy got them - ignorant unfortunately to their foolishness.
In reality theres probably 20 shiners out there for every shiner that frequents this place and other online forums. It only takes a slightly rusty salesman to start making clap trap promises about this that and the other thats needed so punters can go out of their local suppliers and rake in £50 an hour. Its easy takings lets face it. You may not sell many to the guys on here but theres plenty of mugs out there.
Which is why theyre proving popular.
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How Unger tested the 30% more efficiency was not in the way you'd think.
They froze a normal DI and cut sections through it and measured the level of impurities in the resin. They then did the same for their own new DI.
I wonder why they did such a complex test when the way to test one against the other is obvious?
They also never said what make and what size DI their own DI was tested against. I wonder why?
Also, 30% more efficient than what exactly?
My opinion, 'embrace the change', yeah sure, and spend more money at the same time just to end up with a fancy looking plastic box that has, wait for it, quick release connectors fitted. Wow.
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they have the worlds most ridged water fed pole
Because everyones been shafted with it.
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they have the worlds most ridged water fed pole
Because everyones been shafted with it.
;D ;D ;D
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Looks like something that is an over-manufactured plastic pot. Excess to requirement for most window cleaners in that D.I. resin containers dont cost £240 and the required resin sachets cost £33.00 for 6 litres of resin :o :o :o
A manufactured rip-ff.
Window Licker, these are proving very popular, they are the first DI tank made for window cleaners whether you think over-manufactured = design I don't know. The sacks are easily refillable with the resin of choice. Unger are moving forward in great leaps concerning water fed products, they have the worlds most ridged water fed pole and more to come. Embrace the change!! ;)
Im sure they are proving very popular. Theres plenty of mugs about in all honesty. Its just a plastic moulded cannister though isnt it with a bit of gumf, pretty packaging and a ribbon to smarten its appearance. Probably costs about 20 squid to put together.
I was down at our local van WFP installer a couple of years ago (Im in Basingstoke, so use your noddle and you'll know who). They were in the middle of flogging a system to a couple (looked like man and wife) who obviously hadnt had the good fortune of thinking of using online forums to widen their knowledge. In all honesty they were well and truly shafted pricewise for what they got. I wouldve been ashamed to have taken their money at the rates those salesmen were pulling the wool over their eyes. Here's an example of their charges - £300 for a split charge relay (which they justified by saying it was half a days work for an auto-electrician - which is utter codswallop) Im sure the couple looked pleased as punch with their shiny new boxes, switches, poles and reels when thy got them - ignorant unfortunately to their foolishness.
In reality theres probably 20 shiners out there for every shiner that frequents this place and other online forums. It only takes a slightly rusty salesman to start making clap trap promises about this that and the other thats needed so punters can go out of their local suppliers and rake in £50 an hour. Its easy takings lets face it. You may not sell many to the guys on here but theres plenty of mugs out there.
Which is why theyre proving popular.
Would that be the husband & wife team who were in the Ionics catalogue that came through my door today? They have 3 vans all with the thermopure system :o :o :o
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Looks like something that is an over-manufactured plastic pot. Excess to requirement for most window cleaners in that D.I. resin containers dont cost £240 and the required resin sachets cost £33.00 for 6 litres of resin :o :o :o
A manufactured rip-ff.
Window Licker, these are proving very popular, they are the first DI tank made for window cleaners whether you think over-manufactured = design I don't know. The sacks are easily refillable with the resin of choice. Unger are moving forward in great leaps concerning water fed products, they have the worlds most ridged water fed pole and more to come. Embrace the change!! ;)
Im sure they are proving very popular. Theres plenty of mugs about in all honesty. Its just a plastic moulded cannister though isnt it with a bit of gumf, pretty packaging and a ribbon to smarten its appearance. Probably costs about 20 squid to put together.
I was down at our local van WFP installer a couple of years ago (Im in Basingstoke, so use your noddle and you'll know who). They were in the middle of flogging a system to a couple (looked like man and wife) who obviously hadnt had the good fortune of thinking of using online forums to widen their knowledge. In all honesty they were well and truly shafted pricewise for what they got. I wouldve been ashamed to have taken their money at the rates those salesmen were pulling the wool over their eyes. Here's an example of their charges - £300 for a split charge relay (which they justified by saying it was half a days work for an auto-electrician - which is utter codswallop) Im sure the couple looked pleased as punch with their shiny new boxes, switches, poles and reels when thy got them - ignorant unfortunately to their foolishness.
In reality theres probably 20 shiners out there for every shiner that frequents this place and other online forums. It only takes a slightly rusty salesman to start making clap trap promises about this that and the other thats needed so punters can go out of their local suppliers and rake in £50 an hour. Its easy takings lets face it. You may not sell many to the guys on here but theres plenty of mugs out there.
Which is why theyre proving popular.
Window lickers, not at all. We don't have teams of sales guys going out there trying to push products onto unsuspecting punters. 'Proving popular' is some one looking at something, with no pressure, and making a purchase from their own decision. If they don't like it, it can be sent back - when does the 'mug' come in?
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How Unger tested the 30% more efficiency was not in the way you'd think.
They froze a normal DI and cut sections through it and measured the level of impurities in the resin. They then did the same for their own new DI.
I wonder why they did such a complex test when the way to test one against the other is obvious?
They also never said what make and what size DI their own DI was tested against. I wonder why?
Also, 30% more efficient than what exactly?
My opinion, 'embrace the change', yeah sure, and spend more money at the same time just to end up with a fancy looking plastic box that has, wait for it, quick release connectors fitted. Wow.
Ross, Unger also offer a 100% satisfaction guarantee which is a lot more than most, and your commenting on something you don't have. That's a little unfair don't you think?
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Ross, Unger also offer a 100% satisfaction guarantee which is a lot more than most, and your commenting on something you don't have. That's a little unfair don't you think?
Stephen, I was stating facts which cannot be unfair. Why don't you answer the points I raised or are we to blindly buy just simply based on a 100% satisfaction guarantee?
What type of person buys something without thinking about what they are purchasing?
Also, if someone buys a DI container for the first time and buys an Unger one, of course they'll be pleased with it. It's well thought out and will be the only experience of a DI that they have and that is the market it's aimed at.
It'll only be months or maybe years later having spent a fortune on 6ltr socks full of resin that maybe they'll realise there is a much cheaper way to achieve the same and what value will the satisfaction guarantee be worth then?
On the basis of not commenting on something I don't have, how is any choice of which model, type, etc, is best to buy made? Regardless of guarantee, the choice obviously is not made after purchasing, it's made before hand. The guarantee is just one more selling point for the company.
So you are saying I should go out and buy something to do the same thing as something I already have that costs more to use based on a satisfaction guarantee?
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Sheesh, I'm not really interested in the views of those who haven't tried it, especially those who probably haven't even seen it.
I've ordered one anyway as personally I believe the design of the bottles we use at the moment is flawed and I'm interested to see for myself if it's any good.
I for one am glad someone is at least attempting to make our lives easier, whether it's through 'over manufacturing' or not. If it increases resin life by 30% like Unger claim then it'll pay for itself pretty quickly.
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Ross, Unger also offer a 100% satisfaction guarantee which is a lot more than most, and your commenting on something you don't have. That's a little unfair don't you think?
Stephen, I was stating facts which cannot be unfair. Why don't you answer the points I raised or are we to blindly buy just simply based on a 100% satisfaction guarantee?
What type of person buys something without thinking about what they are purchasing?
Also, if someone buys a DI container for the first time and buys an Unger one, of course they'll be pleased with it. It's well thought out and will be the only experience of a DI that they have and that is the market it's aimed at.
It'll only be months or maybe years later having spent a fortune on 6ltr socks full of resin that maybe they'll realise there is a much cheaper way to achieve the same and what value will the satisfaction guarantee be worth then?
On the basis of not commenting on something I don't have, how is any choice of which model, type, etc, is best to buy made? Regardless of guarantee, the choice obviously is not made after purchasing, it's made before hand. The guarantee is just one more selling point for the company.
So you are saying I should go out and buy something to do the same thing as something I already have that costs more to use based on a satisfaction guarantee?
Ross,
I'm not saying you should buy one at all, but having a satisfaction guarantee does help with peace of mind in a purchase, don't you think?
The socks are an option for ease of use - you can fill it with loose resin as well.
The OP was asking if anyone has used one then follows a load of comments, from people who haven't, giving it a hard time
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Stephen, I was stating facts which cannot be unfair. Why don't you answer the points I raised or are we to blindly buy just simply based on a 100% satisfaction guarantee?
Depends on how you view a satisfaction guarantee. For me it eliminates the need to blindly buy because you can buy it, see if it's any good and return it if it isn't.
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Looks a good idea but don't fancy paying £108 +VAT @20% for the equivalent of 24 litres of resin.
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Looks a good idea but don't fancy paying £108 +VAT @20% for the equivalent of 24 litres of resin.
Stephen Fox (window cleaning warehouse) claims you can fill it with any resin.
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Ross,
I'm not saying you should buy one at all, but having a satisfaction guarantee does help with peace of mind in a purchase, don't you think?
The socks are an option for ease of use - you can fill it with loose resin as well.
The OP was asking if anyone has used one then follows a load of comments, from people who haven't, giving it a hard time
I think it's more to do with the price of it. The idea looks novel and seems really well thought out but at £240? To my mind that is a ridiculous price.
And the 30% more efficient claim that cannot be substantiated?
The Unger peace of mind guarantee thing, I have to admit that is a big plus. I bought a ninja bucket and squeegee and about 6 or 9 months later the clasp that holds the blade in broke. The next time I was in the cleaning supplies place I said about it to the owner and he changed it for a new one, no questions asked.
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http://www.windowcleaningwarehouse.co.uk/unger-hydropower.html
It's a resin vessel.
Selling points:
Diffuser for the water - prevents channelling and apparently increases resin life 30%
Quick release.
Obvious downsides:
It's expensive. I'll need to run it for a while but if it saves 30% it'll pay for itself quite quickly.
Resin comes in a stupid looking sock. The fantastic Mr Fox reckons you can fill it with any, loose resin.
It's made by Unger Seems reasonably well put together.
Hoselock fittings. Unscrew them and it's a 3/4 insch bsp fitting.
So, it arrived. Seems pretty good to me.
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.....also:
With some people taking 40 minutes to change the resin in the old bottles this will take less than 5. It's basically just a bucket.
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.....also:
It's basically just a bucket.
Expensive bucket though ;) LOL.
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Soooo...
3 days running with part RO 000 water and part tap water at around 050 going in and the TDS is creeping above 000 already.
Not good.
I've filled up with Tulsion see how we go...
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Why you using tap water soupy ??
Darran
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Why you using tap water soupy ??
Darran
Fill up at a customers house.
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unger stick to trad gear. yer wfp gear is crap.
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Ahhhhh I see
How big is your sack..... Resin that is
Darran
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Ahhhhh I see
How big is your sack..... Resin that is
Darran
Not very, ooh matron. I think it's only about 6L.
Anyway just looked through the bunff supplied with the kit, it would appear that it's only good for 1200L of water (all be-it at 180ppm).
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1411646347_Capture.JPG)
Doesn't sound like very much water to me. I wonder what exactly that's 30% more efficient than...
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1411646513_Capture.JPG)
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1411646585_Capture.JPG)
I'm going to try it in a double DI set up see if that helps..
http://www.ungerglobal.com/uk/media/wysiwyg/pdf/downloads/nLite-HydroPower-DI-Filters-Brochure.pdf
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Ooh that's small, I'd wouldn't run anything less than the 10 ltr option.
Yes double di will help out a great deal,
My membrane is on its last legs and is at 45 TDS at present, i double di the the first bottle at 10 and new resin in the second (11 ltr) I get around 8000 ltrs before the second bottle hits 10 TDS ( that's about 4 days work )
Must get a new membrane next week ::)roll
Darran
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I refilled it with tulsion. It lasted less than 1 day. Something like 200ltrs at 50ppm.
I will be sending it back.
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I'd be interested to hear about 'the worlds most rigid pole'...?
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I'd be interested to hear about 'the worlds most rigid pole'...?
Where's Griff?