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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: dannymack on September 08, 2014, 12:45:53 pm
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Can I ask why some peeps change there resin when it goes to 001, now that is just wasting money in my opinion. I wait till mine goes to 015 - 020 befor I change it as I still get no sporting at that reading ?
Just want to see what you guys change your resin at, are you throwing money away changining the resin to early !!!!!
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Double DI. So nope.
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I use 2 di bottles. When you get 001 out of the second; the first will be much higher. I then move the second back to position 1 and refill the other bottle replacing it in position 2.
This saves resin. If I were to continue using the resin at 001 out of the second bottle it would actually run through the resin quicker because the resin collects impurities as at purifies, meaning the TDS out of the first actually surpasses the TDS of the tap water going in.
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Certain windows I found can be cleaned up to 020 with no problems, then others at 005 I was getting spotting.
000 cleans faster and better i found.
It doesn't really save that much money in letting your resin rise that high as it tends to spike up quite quickly.
000 gives me confidence that the only reason I'm going to get spotting is operator error and not because of my equipment.
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Danny whereabouts do you operate from? ;D
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010 for me, if I could get my ro water below that I would not even bother with resin.
Also have found that as tds starts to rise after di, remove the vessel and give it a good shake and a roll about and re fit. Tds drops and lasts a bit longer ;)
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Don't use resin,my tapwater comes out at just over 30ppm and
problem windows I just squeegee dry.
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Can I ask why some peeps change there resin when it goes to 001, now that is just wasting money in my opinion. I wait till mine goes to 015 - 020 befor I change it as I still get no sporting at that reading ?
Just want to see what you guys change your resin at, are you throwing money away changining the resin to early !!!!!
If you use two DI vessels it doesn't cost a penny more to change at 001 than it would to change at 050. So, only a twit wouldn't change it.
Vin
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Well of course it would cost more !!! If I don't change my resin for say 18 months as I'll let it go up to 020, I've read on here that someone changes there resin when it hits 001 so obviously over time it's gonna cost more money if they changing it more than I would at 020 !!!!! How long does the resin last if you use 2 bottles and what size bottles ? I use the 25L and my resin will last nearly 2 years !!!!!
Window lickers I'm based in Essex but go all over the place.
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I'm with you on this one Danny.
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Cheers JD glad your coming from where I see it, I just don't understand others lol !!!!
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I don't use di any more havnt for about 18 months,
Ro produces water at around 020 ish
Perfect every time and no complaints ever
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Your lucky I have to use ro as my water out the tap is around 375 would cost a fortunnnne if I was Di only !!!!!
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I started out by buying a big chunk of an existing round, and part of the deal was to spend a couple of weeks training with the guy i bought the work for. He told me that up to 10ppm was fine, but more than that, you would start getting spots. I stuck with that until fairly recently, when i started seeing spots on customers windows myself (this was using water purified by r/o only, which was taking the water down to about 9 or 10). so i started using di aswell, again!. I figured that for all the resin usage i would have, it was silly to take the chance.
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Don't use resin,my tapwater comes out at just over 30ppm and
problem windows I just squeegee dry.
(http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w157/bluedude1875/Mobile%20Uploads/2014-06/3B4F0347-4B2E-4CD8-90AB-996E4FA1C5FB_zpsetefxv5o.gif)
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Don't use resin,my tapwater comes out at just over 30ppm and
problem windows I just squeegee dry.
(http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w157/bluedude1875/Mobile%20Uploads/2014-06/3B4F0347-4B2E-4CD8-90AB-996E4FA1C5FB_zpsetefxv5o.gif)
Which part dont you believe,i dont use resin or i dry windows with
a squeegee and to add up to 2nd floor aswell.
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Well of course it would cost more !!!
No it wouldn't, if you have two Di vessels. And I'm bored of explaining why. I don't see why I should search for my repeated posts about it and cut and paste it in here again.
Vin
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Don't use resin,my tapwater comes out at just over 30ppm and
problem windows I just squeegee dry.
(http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w157/bluedude1875/Mobile%20Uploads/2014-06/3B4F0347-4B2E-4CD8-90AB-996E4FA1C5FB_zpsetefxv5o.gif)
Which part dont you believe,i dont use resin or i dry windows with
a squeegee and to add up to 2nd floor aswell.
Are you telling us 030ppm does a good job? Rubbish! And as for blading pure, sheesh.
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Well of course it would cost more !!!
No it wouldn't, if you have two Di vessels. And I'm bored of explaining why. I don't see why I should search for my repeated posts about it and cut and paste it in here again.
Vin
I don't know why you bother, you obviously think you're superior to just about most people on here. It must be quite painful for you coming on here. Perhaps your wife could dab your brow with a dampened flannel and tuck you in to bed with a warm mug of horlicks.
It's 'copy and paste' btw - not 'cut and paste'.
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Don't use resin,my tapwater comes out at just over 30ppm and
problem windows I just squeegee dry.
(http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w157/bluedude1875/Mobile%20Uploads/2014-06/3B4F0347-4B2E-4CD8-90AB-996E4FA1C5FB_zpsetefxv5o.gif)
Which part dont you believe,i dont use resin or i dry windows with
a squeegee and to add up to 2nd floor aswell.
Are you telling us 030ppm does a good job? Rubbish! And as for blading pure, sheesh.
Right let me educate you,i have been cleaning this way for nearly eighteen months
now and yes 30ppm can give decent results for example on new build properties
i clean its never a problem,i squeegee dry the down stairs as a precaution,its
only a very quick drying as its only water and this time of year its a doddle.
I clean an awful lot of old properties with leaded lights and never have a
problem with these either with 30ppm
Older style semis can be a problem so i generally dry all windows
after cleaning upstairs using a unger pole couple of straight pulls its
done.
Windows with the pretend leaded strips are the worst so i tend to avoid
these properties and only have a few on my round.
Must order a reach around from gardiners,i used just use a optilock for
wfp was easy just to pop brush off and plonk a blade on,but since
ive bought the clx it has slowed me down a little.
Anyways believe what you like,i even include the drying of the glass
in my pricing so even though im a little slower than straight wfp it
balances itself out and with the drying of the glass the customer thinks
they are getting something extra for there money compared to other
splash and dashers in the area.
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WFP and drying windows LMAO.
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Gotta be honest Gary, why do you bother. Just do em trad.
Hold on it's Lucy Verasamy doing the weather forecast.
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Gotta be honest Gary, why do you bother. Just do em trad.
Hold on it's Lucy Verasamy doing the weather forecast.
Because its safer doing Water fed trad :)
iI clean all frames glass cills etc and ,i wouldnt be that accurate tradding
with a pole and it would take me all day
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WFP and drying windows LMAO.
Im not actually wfp though strictly am i,as i dont use pure water.
To be honest i actually enjoy it more this way,it helps to ease the
boredom and i still make a decent whack.
So hey ho keep laughing ;)
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WFP stands for water fed pole.
Not pure water fed pole.
Doesn't bother me how you clean. Just glad you are away from me otherwise my customers would want the same treatment which they would not be getting at all.
If if works for you then fair play. Too much hard work for my liking.
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I used to goto 030 for years untill the last 6 months where i get spots with anything over 010 so to be safe i change at 005 now and again never have spots.
The problem i have is my pure freedom 4040. Both times i have bought a new membrane i cant get it below 035. Im using a booster pump too.
Could it be the wrong valve fitted as it either goes to full flush or make pure at same pressure i cant adjust anything to make 50/50 60/40 70/30 pure to waste etc??
I read how some guys get there 4040 down to under 005ppm. How with water going in is 350-380??
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Anything over 350PPM and I would be using a water softener anyway.
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Don't use resin,my tapwater comes out at just over 30ppm and
problem windows I just squeegee dry.
(http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w157/bluedude1875/Mobile%20Uploads/2014-06/3B4F0347-4B2E-4CD8-90AB-996E4FA1C5FB_zpsetefxv5o.gif)
Which part dont you believe,i dont use resin or i dry windows with
a squeegee and to add up to 2nd floor aswell.
Are you telling us 030ppm does a good job? Rubbish! And as for blading pure, sheesh.
Right let me educate you,i have been cleaning this way for nearly eighteen months
now and yes 30ppm can give decent results for example on new build properties
i clean its never a problem,i squeegee dry the down stairs as a precaution,its
only a very quick drying as its only water and this time of year its a doddle.
I clean an awful lot of old properties with leaded lights and never have a
problem with these either with 30ppm
Older style semis can be a problem so i generally dry all windows
after cleaning upstairs using a unger pole couple of straight pulls its
done.
Windows with the pretend leaded strips are the worst so i tend to avoid
these properties and only have a few on my round.
Must order a reach around from gardiners,i used just use a optilock for
wfp was easy just to pop brush off and plonk a blade on,but since
ive bought the clx it has slowed me down a little.
Anyways believe what you like,i even include the drying of the glass
in my pricing so even though im a little slower than straight wfp it
balances itself out and with the drying of the glass the customer thinks
they are getting something extra for there money compared to other
splash and dashers in the area.
PMPL, are you trying to educate us that 030ppm water does a good job? Mate, my water is soft and I tried WFP my windows with 028ppm and they were rank. You are conning yourself. Buy a DI vessel and a bag of resin and do a proper job.
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WFP stands for water fed pole.
Not pure water fed pole.
Doesn't bother me how you clean. Just glad you are away from me otherwise my customers would want the same treatment which they would not be getting at all.
If if works for you then fair play. Too much hard work for my liking.
Cmon pure your not that daft
water fed poling you can only generally splash and dash and leave
confidently because of the pure water. ;D
im WFT ;D
Like i said before i include the blading in price,the customer thinks
they are getting something extra.
Lots of polers round here these days,its something than can give me
a edge over others at times and its nothing to me.
Plus i never worry about making water in the winter,just turn the
tap on and away i go ;D
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If that's what your tap water comes out at then why not just get a DI vessel?
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Don't use resin,my tapwater comes out at just over 30ppm and
problem windows I just squeegee dry.
(http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w157/bluedude1875/Mobile%20Uploads/2014-06/3B4F0347-4B2E-4CD8-90AB-996E4FA1C5FB_zpsetefxv5o.gif)
Which part dont you believe,i dont use resin or i dry windows with
a squeegee and to add up to 2nd floor aswell.
Are you telling us 030ppm does a good job? Rubbish! And as for blading pure, sheesh.
Right let me educate you,i have been cleaning this way for nearly eighteen months
now and yes 30ppm can give decent results for example on new build properties
i clean its never a problem,i squeegee dry the down stairs as a precaution,its
only a very quick drying as its only water and this time of year its a doddle.
I clean an awful lot of old properties with leaded lights and never have a
problem with these either with 30ppm
Older style semis can be a problem so i generally dry all windows
after cleaning upstairs using a unger pole couple of straight pulls its
done.
Windows with the pretend leaded strips are the worst so i tend to avoid
these properties and only have a few on my round.
Must order a reach around from gardiners,i used just use a optilock for
wfp was easy just to pop brush off and plonk a blade on,but since
ive bought the clx it has slowed me down a little.
Anyways believe what you like,i even include the drying of the glass
in my pricing so even though im a little slower than straight wfp it
balances itself out and with the drying of the glass the customer thinks
they are getting something extra for there money compared to other
splash and dashers in the area.
PMPL, are you trying to educate us that 030ppm water does a good job? Mate, my water is soft and I tried WFP my windows with 028ppm and they were rank. You are conning yourself. Buy a DI vessel and a bag of resin and do a proper job.
Matey you obviously havent read my post correctly,i have said 30ppm
can give good results and given examples of the good and bad
It may turn out rank on your windows but 28ppm will do a decent job
on other properties but not necessarily all
Ive been wfp since 2007 still own a ro and a 19litre di vessel,i just
choose not to use them.
No one is telling you to do the same,i was just simply educating
you to what i do as in response to you telling me i was a liar
and didnt work this way.
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If that's what your tap water comes out at then why not just get a DI vessel?
Because i dont feel the need and on a high percentage of the properties
i clean for example new builds and leaded lights i dont need 000ppm
and 30ppm works fine.
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What I don't get on here is when peeps say things like '30ppm works on my windows but it might not work on yours'. How can that happen?
Glass is glass and 30 ppm water is 30 ppm water. Nothing to do with the operative.
It's all down to what you 'think' works, whether it does or not.
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Don't use resin,my tapwater comes out at just over 30ppm and
problem windows I just squeegee dry.
(http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w157/bluedude1875/Mobile%20Uploads/2014-06/3B4F0347-4B2E-4CD8-90AB-996E4FA1C5FB_zpsetefxv5o.gif)
Which part dont you believe,i dont use resin or i dry windows with
a squeegee and to add up to 2nd floor aswell.
Are you telling us 030ppm does a good job? Rubbish! And as for blading pure, sheesh.
Right let me educate you,i have been cleaning this way for nearly eighteen months
now and yes 30ppm can give decent results for example on new build properties
i clean its never a problem,i squeegee dry the down stairs as a precaution,its
only a very quick drying as its only water and this time of year its a doddle.
I clean an awful lot of old properties with leaded lights and never have a
problem with these either with 30ppm
Older style semis can be a problem so i generally dry all windows
after cleaning upstairs using a unger pole couple of straight pulls its
done.
Windows with the pretend leaded strips are the worst so i tend to avoid
these properties and only have a few on my round.
Must order a reach around from gardiners,i used just use a optilock for
wfp was easy just to pop brush off and plonk a blade on,but since
ive bought the clx it has slowed me down a little.
Anyways believe what you like,i even include the drying of the glass
in my pricing so even though im a little slower than straight wfp it
balances itself out and with the drying of the glass the customer thinks
they are getting something extra for there money compared to other
splash and dashers in the area.
PMPL, are you trying to educate us that 030ppm water does a good job? Mate, my water is soft and I tried WFP my windows with 028ppm and they were rank. You are conning yourself. Buy a DI vessel and a bag of resin and do a proper job.
Matey you obviously havent read my post correctly,i have said 30ppm
can give good results and given examples of the good and bad
It may turn out rank on your windows but 28ppm will do a decent job
on other properties but not necessarily all
Ive been wfp since 2007 still own a ro and a 19litre di vessel,i just
choose not to use them.
No one is telling you to do the same,i was just simply educating
you to what i do as in response to you telling me i was a liar
and didnt work this way.
I posted a comical GIF, because I find it comical that someone works with water of 030ppm from a WFP and blades them dry (possibly making the glass look even worse) on the upstairs windows with a trad pole. How hard are you trying to make the job be?
Or are you on the wind up? ;)
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Ford focus
30ppm
Harris pole
Blade the windows dry
Easy £600 a day.
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Don't use resin,my tapwater comes out at just over 30ppm and
problem windows I just squeegee dry.
(http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w157/bluedude1875/Mobile%20Uploads/2014-06/3B4F0347-4B2E-4CD8-90AB-996E4FA1C5FB_zpsetefxv5o.gif)
Which part dont you believe,i dont use resin or i dry windows with
a squeegee and to add up to 2nd floor aswell.
Are you telling us 030ppm does a good job? Rubbish! And as for blading pure, sheesh.
Right let me educate you,i have been cleaning this way for nearly eighteen months
now and yes 30ppm can give decent results for example on new build properties
i clean its never a problem,i squeegee dry the down stairs as a precaution,its
only a very quick drying as its only water and this time of year its a doddle.
I clean an awful lot of old properties with leaded lights and never have a
problem with these either with 30ppm
Older style semis can be a problem so i generally dry all windows
after cleaning upstairs using a unger pole couple of straight pulls its
done.
Windows with the pretend leaded strips are the worst so i tend to avoid
these properties and only have a few on my round.
Must order a reach around from gardiners,i used just use a optilock for
wfp was easy just to pop brush off and plonk a blade on,but since
ive bought the clx it has slowed me down a little.
Anyways believe what you like,i even include the drying of the glass
in my pricing so even though im a little slower than straight wfp it
balances itself out and with the drying of the glass the customer thinks
they are getting something extra for there money compared to other
splash and dashers in the area.
PMPL, are you trying to educate us that 030ppm water does a good job? Mate, my water is soft and I tried WFP my windows with 028ppm and they were rank. You are conning yourself. Buy a DI vessel and a bag of resin and do a proper job.
Matey you obviously havent read my post correctly,i have said 30ppm
can give good results and given examples of the good and bad
It may turn out rank on your windows but 28ppm will do a decent job
on other properties but not necessarily all
Ive been wfp since 2007 still own a ro and a 19litre di vessel,i just
choose not to use them.
No one is telling you to do the same,i was just simply educating
you to what i do as in response to you telling me i was a liar
and didnt work this way.
I posted a comical GIF, because I find it comical that someone works with water of 030ppm from a WFP and blades them dry (possibly making the glass look even worse) on the upstairs windows with a trad pole. How hard are you trying to make the job be?
Or are you on the wind up? ;)
Matey how would I make the windows worse, You are using water to clean the windows
i clean the muck off then dry them after why would they be worse ;D
This is only on a certain percentage of windows i clean.
I guarantee mate i get plenty of recomendations ;)
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Ford focus
30ppm
Harris pole
Blade the windows dry
Easy £600 a day.
Actually i use a vauhall astra estate,clx and make nowhere near
£600.
I only clean 4-5 hours a day most of the year 4 days a week
im fortunate that i don't need to work fulltime if i don't want to.
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What I don't get on here is when peeps say things like '30ppm works on my windows but it might not work on yours'. How can that happen?
Glass is glass and 30 ppm water is 30 ppm water. Nothing to do with the operative.
It's all down to what you 'think' works, whether it does or not.
Actually i do find a diffrence the state of frames seals hydrophobic/hydrophilic glass
all come into play, plus what makes up the tds of the 30ppm.
The problems i get with 30ppm which really is still a relatively low tds
is on hydrophobic glass.
Most of the property i clean there is the hydrophilic effect where the water
seems to shrink away evenly especially on the new build areas which are
local to myself,i never get a spot on these.
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WFT is just too close to WTF.
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WFT is just too close to WTF.
;D
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Gary I just can't see the point in wfp then squeegee dry you may as well just go trad. Like me and many others that have squeeged pure water off the glass would find it harder as the squeegee sticks, I find it easier to just use fairy liquid so the blade slides across the glass easier.
I gotta say obviously using the pole is safer, easier and a lot faster on most jobs but I still say you can't beat the results using a squeegee as you can walk away from a job knowing the glass looks nice and shiny using a squeegee, when wfp you walk away not knowing 100% if it's gonna dry with spots.
Gary to squeegee off pure water is just crazy you can't have that much work to do as myself and many others wouldn't get through our work doing it that way, I thought also it's all about H&S that goes out the window with you if your going up ladders hope your insurance company know lol !!!!
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Another one who hasn't read my posts
So I will shout...I AM USING TAPWATER AT 30PPM,IT CLEANS WITHOUT
PROBLEM ABOUT 80% approx OF THE WINDOWS I CLEAN.
THE OTHER 20% WHICH ARE NORMALLY HYDROPHOBIC TYPE GLASS
I BLADE THE GLASS OFF DRY,IT TAKES LITTLE TIME ESPECIALLY THIS
TIME OF YEAR.
I AM VERY PRACTISED AT THIS NOW,NO PROBLEM WITH SQUEEGEE STICKING WHEN DRYING AS IT ONLY INVOLVES A FEW STRAIGHT PULLS,YOU DONT HAVE
TO BE PRECISE SO IT IS SIMPLE TO DO THIS ON A POLE UP TO SECOND FLOOR.
I DONT USE LADDERS ;D
AGAIN JUST TO CONFIRM I DONT HAVE TO DO THIS ON EVERY PROPERTY
AND I PUT IT WITHIN MY PRICING SO I DONT LOSE OUT.
I HAVENT ONCE SAID I HAVE A LARGE ROUND,I WORK 4-5 HOURS MAX
FOUR DAYS A WEEK BUT I COULD WORK FULLTIME LIKE THIS NO PROBLEM
IF I WANTED TO. :)
Please don't worry(sick of shouting now) im perfectly happy doing what I do
;D
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Im serious,i wouldn't worry about its not going to affect your life
and im defo not going to worried what anyone thinks,so crack on ;D
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Lmfao great read....
How can anyone really argue about spotting at 30 and not spotting at 30???
Do you know what how much of each certain mineral is in this water? Everyones is different some people might spot at 3ppm some might not spot at 30ppm like thewd gazza.
Really though...nice read lol!
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Poor day at work today! Call i could think about was 30PPM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Not everyone has the same % of various impurities in there tap water
So gary's water may be fine at 30ppm as he has different impurities to say if mine was 30ppm
If he says he thinks its fine then whats the problem...?
Although for amount of work you do gazza and your tds reading i'd be using resin...it'd be like £70-£80 a year minimum
Villa fans are an odd bunch...
;D
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Villa fans are an odd bunch...
;D
He sent his DI vessel down the Villa for them to put in the trophy cabinet :-*
S.O.T.V. ;)
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Villa fans are an odd bunch...
;D
He sent his DI vessel down the Villa for them to put in the trophy cabinet :-*
S.O.T.V. ;)
You are obviously a blue nose,that explains a few things
Like the scrambled grey matter ;D
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Not everyone has the same % of various impurities in there tap water
So gary's water may be fine at 30ppm as he has different impurities to say if mine was 30ppm
If he says he thinks its fine then whats the problem...?
Although for amount of work you do gazza and your tds reading i'd be using resin...it'd be like £70-£80 a year minimum
Villa fans are an odd bunch...
;D
Ahem! I use to use 3 bags a year,i can clean a fair amount in those 4-5 hours
all my work is pretty much compact
Anyway sod off,cmon the forest ;D and im off out for a run :)
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Villa fans are an odd bunch...
;D
He sent his DI vessel down the Villa for them to put in the trophy cabinet :-*
S.O.T.V. ;)
You are obviously a blue nose,that explains a few things
Like the scrambled grey matter ;D
;D
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;D
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;D