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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Kevin Miller on September 07, 2014, 01:34:59 pm
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More a question for those of you who clean conny roofs and gutters, soffits and facias. What do you use viro-sol or ubik 2000? Which do you prefer?
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only ever used tfr and recently started using virosol ... works great and smells nice
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I'm other way around I was using tfr and tried ubik and find it just melts the stubborn green away!
I'm interested to know which is better though?
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I'm other way around I was using tfr and tried ubik and find it just melts the stubborn green away!
I'm interested to know which is better though?
I'm tempted to order both and see which is best. How do you guts use it on conny roofs and gsf? Do you spray it on and leave for 5-10 mins then rinse/scrub off
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Used both, even better is auto smart g101 😝
In reality there is not much between any of them but some do stain the glass if left to dry - TFR most definitely
Darran
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Used both, even better is auto smart g101 😝
In reality there is not much between any of them but some do stain the glass if left to dry - TFR most definitely
Darran
Thanks Daren will look in to the auto smart stuff. Hoping to see if I can source some locally as I hate paying p&p lol
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They run franchises all over the country, we have a good one in Norwich who delivers the 25 ltr drums FOC
Darran
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We use them both, mostly as a degreaser for contract cleaning but also for removing black stains from white plastic and for removing grime from gutters. Both work brilliantly but Ubik smells horrible and gets down your throat badly when you spray it close to you.
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Used both, even better is auto smart g101 😝
In reality there is not much between any of them but some do stain the glass if left to dry - TFR most definitely
Darran
Cheers Darren on the recommendation of this, spoke to the local distributor this morning and it's £49 delivered for 25 litre drum. Does that sound about right. How do you use it, ie dilution wise? Do you let it dwell and is it safe on all surfaces?
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Used both, even better is auto smart g101 😝
In reality there is not much between any of them but some do stain the glass if left to dry - TFR most definitely
Darran
Cheers Darren on the recommendation of this, spoke to the local distributor this morning and it's £49 delivered for 25 litre drum. Does that sound about right. How do you use it, ie dilution wise? Do you let it dwell and is it safe on all surfaces?
Just a word of warning Kevin, when working with g101 use it with extreme caution because if you dont its not safe on any surface, trust me on this as i messed up plenty of times when i did not know any better, make sure you read the instructions and the msds as there are some nasty ingredients in there, hope this may of benefit.
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Thanks for the warning about the auto smart. Do you mean not letting it dry out. What other potential issues are there? Is virosol or ubik a safer bet?
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I use TFR 400:1 ratio and use it in a 50/50 mixture. Its lethal .
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Yes that's sounds spot on for price, we use it at 20% dilution (4 parts pure water 1 part g101) we either spray on with plant sprayer or via a backpack which really removes algae fast.
Been using it for 2 years + on hundreds of properties, never had an issue with it other than really great results.
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We don't use it on self cleaning glass mind you.
Tadgh does have his own agenda as a retailer of cleaning products
Darran
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Thanks Darren, do you leave it to dwell at all?
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Around 5 mins if applied by plant sprayer, really heavy soiling pre wet if not using backpack and give a quick scrub with brush without water then start scrubbing with water flow on
Darran
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Yes that's sounds spot on for price, we use it at 20% dilution (4 parts pure water 1 part g101) we either spray on with plant sprayer or via a backpack which really removes algae fast.
Been using it for 2 years + on hundreds of properties, never had an issue with it other than really great results.
(http://i1045.photobucket.com/albums/b458/huxleyhobbs/imagejpg3_zps13a0292b.jpg) (http://s1045.photobucket.com/user/huxleyhobbs/media/imagejpg3_zps13a0292b.jpg.html)
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We don't use it on self cleaning glass mind you.
Tadgh does have his own agenda as a retailer of cleaning products
Darran
Hi Darran, my only agenda is to share my experience of using g101, i never mentioned anything about any of our products, its a genuine warning if its not used with extreme caution well need i say anymore, when i used it many years ago i had no one to warn me but i did realize how harsh the product was over time, i cant imagine that i am the only member on here who knows how harsh this product really is.
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Tadgh, yes I suppose your right really you can't push anything without an operational website :-\
Seriously, I know we have opposing views, and yes I would agree if I used g101 at full strength on the same UPVC every month then at some point down the years their would be damage - which is where you are coming from, however, g101 is used as a diluted single shot application. From my end I need something that cleans off heavily soiling instantly and effectively with minimal effort, time is money and g101 ticks all the boxes.
If your cleaner can beat g101 for cleaning power I'd happily use it and recommend it.
Darran
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Tadgh, yes I suppose your right really you can't push anything without an operational website :-\
Seriously, I know we have opposing views, and yes I would agree if I used g101 at full strength on the same UPVC every month then at some point down the years their would be damage - which is where you are coming from, however, g101 is used as a diluted single shot application. From my end I need something that cleans off heavily soiling instantly and effectively with minimal effort, time is money and g101 ticks all the boxes.
If your cleaner can beat g101 for cleaning power I'd happily use it and recommend it.
Darran
Hi Darran, like i said my agenda had nothing to do with any of our products, but to warn about the dangers of using such harsh products, i think with the questions Kevin was asking he is probably new enough to the industry, and for yourself Darran if you think it takes years of continuous use for the damage to happen you would want to think again, that it why i recommended that Kevin would read the instructions and study the msds and most important use the product with extreme caution, for that case any product containing sodium hydroxide has to be used with extreme caution, i can tell you Darran if you think a product which contains sodium hydroxide and your using at 20% will not damage surfaces trust me on this Darran you would want to think again, because believe me over the years i have seen huge amounts of damage caused by such harsh cleaning chemicals, hope that this information may be of benefit.
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Hi
I used tfr for the 1st time today. Wish I had used it years ago. Made a conny clean a piece of cake.
A couple of questions though, do you dilute or use neat? And is viro-sol or ubik any better?
Thanks, steven
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Darren and tadgh thanks so much for your input it's really appreciated, yes I'm new to cleaning conservatory's. Only cleaned 2 cons and used no de-greaser. Tadgh what issues have you had in the past with the auto smart? Darren has used it hundreds of times with great results using at 80% water 20% auto smart? How did you use it. Tadgh what do you use instead?
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Hi
I used tfr for the 1st time today. Wish I had used it years ago. Made a conny clean a piece of cake.
A couple of questions though, do you dilute or use neat? And is viro-sol or ubik any better?
Thanks, steven
Which tfr did you use Steven
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Hi Kevin,
I would have used g101 on numerous occasions in the past, its an excellent cleaner but my issues with it are simple
- if used repeatedly on UPVC it will without question cause damage to the surface through degradation or discolouration
- In untrained hands it can cause huge problems for both contract cleaner & client
Darran is correct in what he says about a diluted single shot application, if rinsed away in time there should in theory be no damage caused. The reality is though that in many cases the product is left to dwell longer than necessary which will cause damage, over spray occurs a lot when people are spraying at height, the cleaner does not even realise that the over spray has landed on other surfaces. When this happens its only after that the damage may be seen.
While I understand completely Darran's point about time being money etc my overall point is that I feel that products containing sodium hydroxide are simply too aggressive. I use products that have a pH value of between 7-9, they are a safer alternative , kinder to the environment and you will never run the risk of causing any damage to the clients surfaces. If you use products within these pH values, yes the task may take 10-20% longer to carry out as it will require a longer dwell time and potentially more agitation. I feel that this extra time is a small price to pay for achieving the same end result with no risk whatsoever.
I know many people view my posts as pushing my own products, that genuinely is not my overall agenda on this forum, my belief is that safer products are the future of cleaning, as I have often pointed out there are many janitorial suppliers in the UK promoting similar safer alternatives.
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Nice post Tadgh.
Out of interest, what's the cost of a more eco friendly product per 25 ltrs ?
Darran
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Nice post Tadgh.
Out of interest, what's the cost of a more eco friendly product per 25 ltrs ?
Darran
Hi Darran, the product we use is 29.00 euro for 5ltr concentrate which you can dilute 10-1 for cleaning any surface, its based on colloidal micelles technology one of this centuries most promising advances in environmental science, if you do a google search there are suppliers promoting these safe cleaners in the UK.
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Nice post Tadgh.
Out of interest, what's the cost of a more eco friendly product per 25 ltrs ?
Darran
Hi Darran, the product we use is 29.00 euro for 5ltr concentrate which you can dilute 10-1 for cleaning any surface, its based on colloidal micelles technology one of this centuries most promising advances in environmental science, if you do a google search there are suppliers promoting these safe cleaners in the UK.
can you not put a link up to something similar to yours please as i would like to try some..
thanks
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Nice post Tadgh.
Out of interest, what's the cost of a more eco friendly product per 25 ltrs ?
Darran
Hi Darran, the product we use is 29.00 euro for 5ltr concentrate which you can dilute 10-1 for cleaning any surface, its based on colloidal micelles technology one of this centuries most promising advances in environmental science, if you do a google search there are suppliers promoting these safe cleaners in the UK.
can you not put a link up to something similar to yours please as i would like to try some..
thanks
Hi p1w1, if you like you can email info@jskcleaning.ie and i can send you on some information regards Tadgh
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I had tfr stain glass, not had any trouble with 101 in the couple of years I've been using it so until someone tests something else out on this forum then I'll stick with it. Virosol I've found is pretty good at dissolving blood on cills from spiders etc. but doesn't foam up enough for conservatory roofs for me. I always unplug customers water butts before cleaning conservatory roofs too.
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I had tfr stain glass, not had any trouble with 101 in the couple of years I've been using it so until someone tests something else out on this forum then I'll stick with it. Virosol I've found is pretty good at dissolving blood on cills from spiders etc. but doesn't foam up enough for conservatory roofs for me. I always unplug customers water butts before cleaning conservatory roofs too.
How have you been using it Dave? Same as Danny ie 80/20
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I had tfr stain glass, not had any trouble with 101 in the couple of years I've been using it so until someone tests something else out on this forum then I'll stick with it. Virosol I've found is pretty good at dissolving blood on cills from spiders etc. but doesn't foam up enough for conservatory roofs for me. I always unplug customers water butts before cleaning conservatory roofs too.
Hi Dave, i have been cleaning since the early 80s and from my experience i have long found out not to trust or take on faith what the major big brand manufacturers claim about using their cleaning chemicals, i would only make a judgement on any product after i tried and tested it for myself, i am not saying you should do the same but you will gain more confidence in using products if you carry out your own testing.
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I had tfr stain glass, not had any trouble with 101 in the couple of years I've been using it so until someone tests something else out on this forum then I'll stick with it. Virosol I've found is pretty good at dissolving blood on cills from spiders etc. but doesn't foam up enough for conservatory roofs for me. I always unplug customers water butts before cleaning conservatory roofs too.
How have you been using it Dave? Same as Danny ie 80/20
similar kind of mix. tfr I had was called Fleetclean I think and I wouldn't recommend that for our purposes. 101, virosol and Ubik 2000 have been fine for me. I don't think many of us on here measure the stuff out very accurately anyway. It's also surprising how good water is if allowed to soak too.
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http://www.valeterspride.co.uk/25-litre-none-caustic-biodegradable-traffic-film-remover-tfr-truck-wash-41-dilution-176-p.asp
That look any good ? £19
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Tadgh, yes I suppose your right really you can't push anything without an operational website :-\
Seriously, I know we have opposing views, and yes I would agree if I used g101 at full strength on the same UPVC every month then at some point down the years their would be damage - which is where you are coming from, however, g101 is used as a diluted single shot application. From my end I need something that cleans off heavily soiling instantly and effectively with minimal effort, time is money and g101 ticks all the boxes.
If your cleaner can beat g101 for cleaning power I'd happily use it and recommend it.
Darran
Hi Darran, we are testing out a new technology from India which I am confident will be equal or better than g101 in performance and can be used safely to clean any surface washable with water, I would like to send you over a sample for testing and would greatly appreciate your feedback, if you are open to this please let me know and I will send some to you.
Regards
Tadgh
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Yes Tadgh - very happy to give it a try
Darran
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Yes Tadgh - very happy to give it a try
Darran
Hi Darran will send some over to you on Monday, cheers Tadgh
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Cheers.
I'll use it on the next SFG clean and give you some feedback
Darran
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Tadgh, yes I suppose your right really you can't push anything without an operational website :-\
Seriously, I know we have opposing views, and yes I would agree if I used g101 at full strength on the same UPVC every month then at some point down the years their would be damage - which is where you are coming from, however, g101 is used as a diluted single shot application. From my end I need something that cleans off heavily soiling instantly and effectively with minimal effort, time is money and g101 ticks all the boxes.
If your cleaner can beat g101 for cleaning power I'd happily use it and recommend it.
Darran
Hi Darran, we are testing out a new technology from India which I am confident will be equal or better than g101 in performance and can be used safely to clean any surface washable with water, I would like to send you over a sample for testing and would greatly appreciate your feedback, if you are open to this please let me know and I will send some to you.
Regards
Tadgh
Darren have you had a chance to use this yet. Tadgh is this available to buy yet pal?
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Yes I have, but I will post later if that's ok
Darran
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Yes I have, but I will post later if that's ok
Darran
Thanks Darren appreciated