Clean It Up
UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Carpet Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: SimonW on August 27, 2014, 05:41:34 pm
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When I am seeing posts here people asks about machines they should
choose and pretty common question is about psi which goes with these extractors.
How many etc. Usual average I can read is at least from 200 and raising to 800
or so such as airflex storm has. With that buddy you can clean carpet without
bringing it inside customers home which is huge advantage.
Anyways here's a question from me. Having my steempro 150psi I just can't imagine
how I'll do a job if I'll have to clean carpet upstairs leaving machine at the ground level.
What about suction power and psi? Logically by extending hose I am loosing real power
of my machine. Is it really enough these 150psi?
Probably I'll be enlightened at trainings I am planning to attend but this thing is in my mind all the day!
Apologies if messed up. Written from a phone
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50 psi is enough but would you want to go back in time and clean carpets at that preasure?
I remember my first porty being 50 psi and remember upgrading to 100psi three years later and what a difference the extra preasure made! Ok machines of today have working preasures of up to 1200 psi but I generally clean at about 200- 300 psi
Stuart
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The actual flow rate of the pump is also important (rather than the back pressure).
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As Garry says The flow amount is just as important, you can double the amount of flow by just pulling the wand back at half the speed
So clean away with whatever psi you have, then when you hit a bad area just slow down and allow more solution to hit the carpet.
150 psi is plenty, just might take slightly longer to do the job
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My last machine was 160 psi and for carpet I used that 99% of the time. Now I have a 400 psi pump and because of the extra flow I use it at about 130 psi most of the time. I personally think 150 psi is about right even up to 100ft. Many people using more are over wetting the carpet. I'm sure more can psi can be used with a truck mount but most portables are not up to it.
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Thanks guys a lot. I'll be honest your feedback make me calmed down. What you saying it just proofs that I have a long journey untill I'll make for a living. Hopefully successfully! !
If anything else comes to your mind do not hesitate to write it down.
Cheerios
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I have an alltec express twin vac 150psi, i don't use it very often but for me its fine, its not a truck mount but it is a very good quality machine, well built and easy to handle.
I did have an air flex pro (another great machine) with 600psi but was told to use it at about 200psi which is not a lot of difference to the psi on the express.
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You can offset the lack of performance by introducing agitation, which unlocks the soil from the carpet much better and therefore only needs rinsing out. Heat will also help.
There has also got to be a balance between how much solution the machine is delivering to the carpet and it's ability to suction it back up and leave the carpet only slightly damp to the touch. Two three stage vacs and 150psi is about right IMO.
Simon
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Thats correct Simon. I am in seek of decent agitator. Seems sebo duo should be fine as its well recommended around.
Light, not noisy i guess and indicated for domestic cc. well can't wait to get started!
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Thats correct Simon. I am in seek of decent agitator. Seems sebo duo should be fine as its well recommended around.
Light, not noisy i guess and indicated for domestic cc. well can't wait to get started!
Ligh does not mean is good, totally opposite.
Not noisy, no it is actually noisy comparing to tm4, oreck and any rotary.
Sebo is a good starter but definitaly not a descent machine.
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thumbs up Radek! isnt tm4 just for dry cc?
ive seen opinions such as yours as well and from another hand you might be right.
why shall i invest about 230quid onto sebo duo if i can spare some more money
and buy something heavier what'll work more intensively onto surface
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Simon,
The Sebo Duo is ok for as long as it lasts, which won't be long. Why not get yourself a rotary so you can both agitate and use it for LM cleaning?
I hope you've got plenty of money put aside to spend on marketing, if you're starting from scratch you'll need it?
Simon
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I have a sebo duo and a rotary and much prefer the duo in a domestic property as it lifts the normally longer pile better, and it is lighter and easier to use in the normally more confined areas. I much prefer the rotary which is a lot heavier for commercial work where weight and maximum agitation are essential and space is not a problem. I cant comment on the likes of a TM4 or envirodri. They look like a big step up from a sebo duo, and if they last longer then it may be a better investment however at around £1600 you can have around 7 sebos for the same money.
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Robin you shouldn't look at it like that. Even so I bet a TM4 would outlast 7 duos.
Using a tm4 would cut your extraction time, cut your agitating time, and produce much much better results IMO.
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Simon,
The Sebo Duo is ok for as long as it lasts, which won't be long. Why not get yourself a rotary so you can both agitate and use it for LM cleaning?
I hope you've got plenty of money put aside to spend on marketing, if you're starting from scratch you'll need it?
Simon
Indeed Simon. No one can't forget about marketing. It's about 70% of success! As many users that many different opinions. It's worth having Sebo duo as well as it can be essential when working area is really small. In summary price is not high if someone can afford spending 200quid for such a tool but seems like I'll need to get real agitator also... like rotary or Tm4. I am gathering equipment, knowledge and a bit experience for over 7 months! Too many business disappears after one year....
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I have a sebo duo and a rotary and much prefer the duo in a domestic property as it lifts the normally longer pile better, and it is lighter and easier to use in the normally more confined areas. I much prefer the rotary which is a lot heavier for commercial work where weight and maximum agitation are essential and space is not a problem. I cant comment on the likes of a TM4 or envirodri. They look like a big step up from a sebo duo, and if they last longer then it may be a better investment however at around £1600 you can have around 7 sebos for the same money.
And people sell their old onces secondhand so only loose half after a two years
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looks like a tm4 should be my next purchase.
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looks like a tm4 should be my next purchase.
in prochem range there is also machine similar to TM4 which is called "PRO 35 Dry & Wet Carpet & Floor Cleaner"
and its about 200 more expensive. any thoughts ??
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The Pro 35 is specifically designed to work with moisture.
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Right Simon
What rotary do you suggest??
I was offered numatic HFM 1515 with tank
which cost is about 650quid what to me sound more realistic than price of tm4
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Simon,
Have you done your training and have you started your business yet?
Simon
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Good question. Trainings I'll attend are in December and January 2015
Until those trainings, everyday I have more and more questions.
I will not start business without relevant knowledge and a bit of experience.
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You need to think about which markets you are going to aim for and then equip yourself accordingly. Most people start in the domestic market so a 150psi twin vac machine will do for that. You don't necessarily need a rotary, you can agitate perfectly well with one of these:
http://www.restormate.co.uk/Carpet-Pile-Brush
Or:
http://www.worldofclean.co.uk/the-oreck-orbiter.html
If you plan to go into LM cleaning then you will need a rotary, but I'd suggest you need some basic experience of carpet cleaning first and so perhaps stick to the domestic market where you will find a wide range of different carpets, soil conditions and stains to hone your skills once you've done the training.
There is no point in having a fleet of equipment if your phone isn't ringing and that is quite a task in this day and age, so I'd be working very hard on getting a wide range of marketing at work first.
Simon
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A very reliable answer Simon. Thanks a lot.
It's good to hear advice from someone who works in this business for years. I'll target domestic carpet cleaning and as you said once I'll learn and earn experience I may expand for industrial cc.
I know from one course I've finished that marketing is a first thing you have to sort out because what's the point of having all wide of equipment if you have no customers at all!
Again let me finish few courses/trainings then I might see everything more sorted out.
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The Pro 35 is specifically designed to work with moisture.
john you told me about the pro 35 ,I got the Oreck first its a good little tool but abit light I will be getting the pro 35 off you soon mate you were right