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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Lee Burbidge on August 24, 2014, 10:59:26 pm
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See who I nominated in the industry to the Macmillan Ice Bucket Challenge and yes, I have that bucket chucked over my head too.
http://youtu.be/LIZMfiIddBs
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Is it Liz M?
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See who I nominated in the industry to the Macmillan Ice Bucket Challenge and yes, I have that bucket chucked over my head too.
http://youtu.be/LIZMfiIddBs
Unless you happen to be cleaning windows using iced water i don't see how this is a window cleaning issue ???
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It's a shame you used a charity cause as an opportunity to promote your magazine.
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??? Someone woke up wrong side of the bed! Its for charity! Without people promoting and following it on then how is the charity meant to raise any money??, what better way to raise money via other windies and promote yourself at the same time.
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??? Someone woke up wrong side of the bed! Its for charity! Without people promoting and following it on then how is the charity meant to raise any money??, what better way to raise money via other windies and promote yourself at the same time.
There is a chat section.
It does smack of look at me.
Tony
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??? Someone woke up wrong side of the bed! Its for charity! Without people promoting and following it on then how is the charity meant to raise any money??, what better way to raise money via other windies and promote yourself at the same time.
There is a chat section.
It does smack of look at me.
Tony
So do all the ones on Facebook. I find the whole thing slightly vomit inducing.
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??? Someone woke up wrong side of the bed! Its for charity! Without people promoting and following it on then how is the charity meant to raise any money??, what better way to raise money via other windies and promote yourself at the same time.
There is a chat section.
It does smack of look at me.
Tony
So do all the ones on Facebook. I find the whole thing slightly vomit inducing.
Like
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See who I nominated in the industry to the Macmillan Ice Bucket Challenge and yes, I have that bucket chucked over my head too.
http://youtu.be/LIZMfiIddBs
Unless you happen to be cleaning windows using iced water i don't see how this is a window cleaning issue ???
Its a window cleaning issue in respect that the window cleaning community is doing something for Cancer..... if that ok ?
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See who I nominated in the industry to the Macmillan Ice Bucket Challenge and yes, I have that bucket chucked over my head too.
http://youtu.be/LIZMfiIddBs
Unless you happen to be cleaning windows using iced water i don't see how this is a window cleaning issue ???
Its a window cleaning issue in respect that the window cleaning community is doing something for Cancer..... if that ok ?
That'll do for me. Have you got a link anywhere Lee to donate? I'll give a tenner if Ian Wicks is going to get a soaking ;D ;D
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It's a shame you used a charity cause as an opportunity to promote your magazine.
I view it differently...... it shows the brands willing to support this in our community. As a result we have nominated lots of people that would not otherwise donate. WCM is proud to be involved in that. No shame in that.
Business align with charities everyday. WCM involvement is genuine. Some of our help is in the spotlight and some of it aint. This Ice Bucket challenge was started in the US for ALS sufferers. Famous people began getting involved in the challenge which meant people would talk about it. It works the same way. I would pay to see Perry Tait form Reach-iT to get drenched myself lmao ( for example)
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??? Someone woke up wrong side of the bed! Its for charity! Without people promoting and following it on then how is the charity meant to raise any money??, what better way to raise money via other windies and promote yourself at the same time.
;D
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??? Someone woke up wrong side of the bed! Its for charity! Without people promoting and following it on then how is the charity meant to raise any money??, what better way to raise money via other windies and promote yourself at the same time.
There is a chat section.
It does smack of look at me.
Tony
It smacks I paid my donation ;D
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??? Someone woke up wrong side of the bed! Its for charity! Without people promoting and following it on then how is the charity meant to raise any money??, what better way to raise money via other windies and promote yourself at the same time.
There is a chat section.
It does smack of look at me.
Tony
So do all the ones on Facebook. I find the whole thing slightly vomit inducing.
Ok..... its fun to do........ I am sure you donate in another way. If you choose to sit in a bath of that vomit, and film it for charity, I would shake your hand ( after you showered) lol if you choose to donate privately, I would shake your hand. Do you see a theme here? Its all good, but you are entitled to vomit...... do you want me to pass you the bucket lol
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See who I nominated in the industry to the Macmillan Ice Bucket Challenge and yes, I have that bucket chucked over my head too.
http://youtu.be/LIZMfiIddBs
Unless you happen to be cleaning windows using iced water i don't see how this is a window cleaning issue ???
Its a window cleaning issue in respect that the window cleaning community is doing something for Cancer..... if that ok ?
That'll do for me. Have you got a link anywhere Lee to donate? I'll give a tenner if Ian Wicks is going to get a soaking ;D ;D
www.macmillan.org.uk :)
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http://healthimpactnews.com/2014/als-ice-bucket-challenge-do-you-know-what-you-are-supporting/
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??? Someone woke up wrong side of the bed! Its for charity! Without people promoting and following it on then how is the charity meant to raise any money??, what better way to raise money via other windies and promote yourself at the same time.
There is a chat section.
It does smack of look at me.
Tony
So do all the ones on Facebook. I find the whole thing slightly vomit inducing.
Ok..... its fun to do........ I am sure you donate in another way. If you choose to sit in a bath of that vomit, and film it for charity, I would shake your hand ( after you showered) lol if you choose to donate privately, I would shake your hand. Do you see a theme here? Its all good, but you are entitled to vomit...... do you want me to pass you the bucket lol
Well said Lee, well done mate good luck with your charity :)
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http://healthimpactnews.com/2014/als-ice-bucket-challenge-do-you-know-what-you-are-supporting/
Nice link but this one says it all re ALS:http://www.upworthy.com/the-last-ice-bucket-challenge-you-need-to-see-and-you-really-should-see-it?c=ufb1
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??? Someone woke up wrong side of the bed! Its for charity! Without people promoting and following it on then how is the charity meant to raise any money??, what better way to raise money via other windies and promote yourself at the same time.
There is a chat section.
It does smack of look at me.
Tony
So do all the ones on Facebook. I find the whole thing slightly vomit inducing.
Ok..... its fun to do........ I am sure you donate in another way. If you choose to sit in a bath of that vomit, and film it for charity, I would shake your hand ( after you showered) lol if you choose to donate privately, I would shake your hand. Do you see a theme here? Its all good, but you are entitled to vomit...... do you want me to pass you the bucket lol
Well said Lee, well done mate good luck with your charity :)
;D
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Another long winded round the house of Lees video got bored half way through as per usual and turned it off soz !!!!
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Another long winded round the house of Lees video got bored half way through as per usual and turned it off soz !!!!
Me too. And I also thought the ALS thing was just a bunch of facebook naff and my excuse for not doing it when nominated (which I'm still not) was that I was allergic to water.
But then I watched this ALS challenge done by a guy with ALS and it changed my mind:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h07OT8p8Oik#t=131
Watch it from minute 2 and I doubt anyone will complain about the challenge after that.
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long winded at best
not sure of the intro ? Self indulgent ?
Oh and you nominate THREE others, it is not hard to understand
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lol
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It's a shame you used a charity cause as an opportunity to promote your magazine.
I think its a shame that a cancer charity that already gets huge coverage hijacked a campaign from a condition that gets little or none. The ice bucket challenge as originally for motor neuron disease so why did McMillan muscle in on the act. Disappointed in them.
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People saying "throwing a bucket of ice water over you heard doesnt raise awareness for the illness"
But tbh it does because i had never even heard of it until these videos came out, and now i know a lot more about it:)
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It's a shame you used a charity cause as an opportunity to promote your magazine.
I think its a shame that a cancer charity that already gets huge coverage hijacked a campaign from a condition that gets little or none. The ice bucket challenge as originally for motor neuron disease so why did McMillan muscle in on the act. Disappointed in them.
lol and how did they manufacture that then? Sending lots of little Macmillian Cancer fairies out there and tell them to do their ice-bucket challenges in the name of Macmillan instead of ALS in the hope that the public would jump ship?
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It's a shame you used a charity cause as an opportunity to promote your magazine.
I think its a shame that a cancer charity that already gets huge coverage hijacked a campaign from a condition that gets little or none. The ice bucket challenge as originally for motor neuron disease so why did McMillan muscle in on the act. Disappointed in them.
lol and how did they manufacture that then? Sending lots of little Macmillian Cancer fairies out there and tell them to do their ice-bucket challenges in the name of Macmillan instead of ALS in the hope that the public would jump ship?
They did that by having a banner on their home page suggesting people do the challenge for Macmillan, they also did that by changing the twitter handle to drop the ALS from the hashtag. They've done everything they can to identify the challenge with their charity in the UK. It's easier when you have a budget as big as Macmillans. I'm allowed to think its out of order, don't remember needing your permission.
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It's a shame you used a charity cause as an opportunity to promote your magazine.
I think its a shame that a cancer charity that already gets huge coverage hijacked a campaign from a condition that gets little or none. The ice bucket challenge as originally for motor neuron disease so why did McMillan muscle in on the act. Disappointed in them.
lol and how did they manufacture that then? Sending lots of little Macmillian Cancer fairies out there and tell them to do their ice-bucket challenges in the name of Macmillan instead of ALS in the hope that the public would jump ship?
Google 'motor neuron disease ice bucket challenge'. See what the first PAID link is.
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Google 'motor neuron disease ice bucket challenge'. See what the first PAID link is.
Hey, you're spot on. I wonder how much the CEO of Macmillan gets paid? Smart move, but a bit sneaky.
http://www.macmillan.org.uk/ice-nominate.html?gclid=Cj0KEQjwveufBRDlsNb3kb-twMIBEiQASNH0xsQXMsosjEo_AMRhmj8e0U3pa7elg7qVGSj6x_fBm7MaAgmo8P8HAQ
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People saying "throwing a bucket of ice water over you heard doesnt raise awareness for the illness"
But tbh it does because i had never even heard of it until these videos came out, and now i know a lot more about it:)
I couldn't agree more.
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I refused to do it, I'm not donating money to help pay for animal experiments which is where most of the money goes!!
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I refused to do it, I'm not donating money to help pay for animal experiments which is where most of the money goes!!
Any proof that that's where the money goes? Proof does not equal "bloke on the internet says so". Proof = facts.
And let's hope you never need an antibiotic, blood transfusion, heart operation, operation for macular degeneration, asthma inhaler, kidney transplant, tamoxifen (if your partner gets breast cancer), treatment for Parkinsons or insulin.
You will no doubt, as a matter of principle, turn down any or all of those treatments (amidst hundreds of others), as they were trialled on animals. Good luck.
Vin
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I refused to do it, I'm not donating money to help pay for animal experiments which is where most of the money goes!!
Do you use toothpaste, soap, shampoo, ever taken taken an aspirin ?
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I refused to do it, I'm not donating money to help pay for animal experiments which is where most of the money goes!!
Any proof that that's where the money goes? Proof does not equal "bloke on the internet says so". Proof = facts.
And let's hope you never need an antibiotic, blood transfusion, heart operation, operation for macular degeneration, asthma inhaler, kidney transplant, tamoxifen (if your partner gets breast cancer), treatment for Parkinsons or insulin.
You will no doubt, as a matter of principle, turn down any or all of those treatments (amidst hundreds of others), as they were trialled on animals. Good luck.
Vin
Yes vinny!! Top speech. Well said
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Got to love this forum!
Goes from being about charity(and raising money for a good cause), to having an argument about what people think about charities/the way they raise funds/the way they use funds.
Lighten up guys. ;D
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Got to love this forum!
Goes from being about charity(and raising money for a good cause), to having an argument about what people think about charities/the way they raise funds/the way they use funds.
Lighten up guys. ;D
Yep my thoughts exactly. Charity thread and it's been trashed.
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I refused to do it, I'm not donating money to help pay for animal experiments which is where most of the money goes!!
Any proof that that's where the money goes? Proof does not equal "bloke on the internet says so". Proof = facts.
Its an emotive subject eh Vin ? But ALS does themselves provide "some" facts........
http://www.alsa.org/about-us/financial-information.html
and they state that 27% of their money goes to research. Depending upon what and where you read ALS ,have done no groundbreaking research nor approved any new drugs for years.
For myself i looked upon this icebucket challenge as a great idea for a charity until i seen George Bush do it !! Then i realised that it was for an American based charity. As i looked into it a bit (as is your duty !! ;D ), i seen that a lot of people where doing it for Macmillan Cancer.
ALS have now kicked off about MacMillan hijacking it !!
My advice is, before you donate make sure you realise and make an informed descision as to were your money is going. Nothing wrong with any of it as long as you are aware when you text your donation that it is actually going to who you thought it was going too.
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I view it differently......
You will do, its know in the mainstream media as "desperate marketing"
I would pay to see Perry Tait form Reach-iT to get drenched myself lmao ( for example)
Nah, this is trying to implant the name of "Perry Tait" and his "reach IT" brand in our heads. You'd rather us remember Perry Tait and Reach IT, but you'd really rather drown Alex Gardiner and his Gardiners Pole Systems i'd suspect, and so would Perry Tait !!!
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Another long winded round the house of Lees video got bored half way through as per usual and turned it off soz !!!!
Me too. And I also thought the ALS thing was just a bunch of facebook naff and my excuse for not doing it when nominated (which I'm still not) was that I was allergic to water.
But then I watched this ALS challenge done by a guy with ALS and it changed my mind:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h07OT8p8Oik#t=131
Watch it from minute 2 and I doubt anyone will complain about the challenge after that.
Is ALS hereditary ?
http://www.alsa.org/about-als/genetic-testing-for-als.html
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What I don't understand is we have so many people doing so much charity work to raise money for CANCER. All this money raised goes into experimenting to get drugs to hold back or even one day kill off cancer. What I can't get in my head is when they come up with a drug that will hold the cancer back for some time they want to then sell these drugs for thousands of pounds to each patient which the rich people can afford, hold on a minute where did they get the money in the first place !!!!
The NHS can't afford to pay the money they want to treat everyone so how I see it the rich who probably don't do much not all some do give to charity but probably the fat business people don't run or do much so I've given up on giving to charity. My mum and sister died of cancer and the NHS couldn't give my sister the drug to keep her going for another 6 months as it was to expensive and she did a run for life before she was diagnosed!!!!!!!!!
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What I don't understand is we have so many people doing so much charity work to raise money for CANCER. All this money raised goes into experimenting to get drugs to hold back or even one day kill off cancer. What I can't get in my head is when they come up with a drug that will hold the cancer back for some time they want to then sell these drugs for thousands of pounds to each patient which the rich people can afford, hold on a minute where did they get the money in the first place !!!!
The NHS can't afford to pay the money they want to treat everyone so how I see it the rich who probably don't do much not all some do give to charity but probably the fat business people don't run or do much so I've given up on giving to charity. My mum and sister died of cancer and the NHS couldn't give my sister the drug to keep her going for another 6 months as it was to expensive and she did a run for life before she was diagnosed!!!!!!!!!
I agree! Cancer is big business, and none of these so called charities are interested in finding a cure whatsoever, there is no money in a cure, if a cure was found then the donations would stop! Prevention is the key, and the western diet/lifestyle is pretty much responsible for all of these diseases. As for those criticising my stand against the ice bucket challenge nonsense, I never blindly follow the crowd like a sheep and hand my money over to some organisation which I know nothing about, some people are so gullible!
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I never blindly follow the crowd like a sheep and hand my money over to some organisation which I know nothing about, some people are so gullible!
You knew enough to state that "most" of the money raised would be spent on animal research.
Vin
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don't understand some folk, if you don't agree with a particular charity, just donate to one you do agree with ;) now man up and get wet
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I will eat my words if they miraculously find a cure, but I can confidently say that they won't, but that won't stop the unthinking sheep throwing their money at already rich organisations!!
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That reminds me I must pick up some more tin foil.
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That reminds me I must pick up some more tin foil.
Nah, I think it's just how some folk justify why they won't donate money to charity, when the truth is probably that they're too selfish and self centred.
The tight-wads. ;D
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The point is that the post should have been on the non window cleaning board.
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That reminds me I must pick up some more tin foil.
Nah, I think it's just how some folk justify why they won't donate money to charity, when the truth is probably that they're too selfish and self centred.
The tight-wads. ;D
Somebody posted "I nominate everyone to quietly set up a standing order for a charity of their choice".
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That reminds me I must pick up some more tin foil.
Nah, I think it's just how some folk justify why they won't donate money to charity, when the truth is probably that they're too selfish and self centred.
The tight-wads. ;D
HaHa - I got stopped by Marie Curie about 3 months ago and before she even opened her mouth. I said sign me up! She was shocked. Once its setup, you dont miss it. Been meaning to do another charity anyway :) I tip my takeaway guy every time and i have about two takeaways a week. So i told him no more tips as i am donating it to charity. Takeaways are always cold and hairy now :(
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The point is that the post should have been on the non window cleaning board.
I blame the mods, but the challenge has got something to do with water, and we use that to clean windows with. And then there's window cleaners in the original post, and it's for charidee innit? It'll get a bigger audience here.
There's a lot of grumpy folk about today? I think it's the change in the weather, or their piles is playing them up or summat.
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=i have about two takeaways a week.
Maybe you ought to donate to these then:
http://www.weightconcern.org.uk/node/262
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Haha usually chicken kebab. Leave out the pita and quite healthy. If it IS actually chicken :D
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The point is that the post should have been on the non window cleaning board.
I blame the mods, but the challenge has got something to do with water, and we use that to clean windows with. And then there's window cleaners in the original post, and it's for charidee innit? It'll get a bigger audience here.
There's a lot of grumpy folk about today? I think it's the change in the weather, or their piles is playing them up or summat.
Nah, I just find Facebook/populist outpourings/bandwagons a bit uncomfortable. I am no grumpier than usual. ;D see!
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What I don't understand is we have so many people doing so much charity work to raise money for CANCER. All this money raised goes into experimenting to get drugs to hold back or even one day kill off cancer. What I can't get in my head is when they come up with a drug that will hold the cancer back for some time they want to then sell these drugs for thousands of pounds to each patient which the rich people can afford, hold on a minute where did they get the money in the first place !!!!
The NHS can't afford to pay the money they want to treat everyone so how I see it the rich who probably don't do much not all some do give to charity but probably the fat business people don't run or do much so I've given up on giving to charity. My mum and sister died of cancer and the NHS couldn't give my sister the drug to keep her going for another 6 months as it was to expensive and she did a run for life before she was diagnosed!!!!!!!!!
I agree! Cancer is big business, and none of these so called charities are interested in finding a cure whatsoever, there is no money in a cure, if a cure was found then the donations would stop! Prevention is the key, and the western diet/lifestyle is pretty much responsible for all of these diseases. As for those criticising my stand against the ice bucket challenge nonsense, I never blindly follow the crowd like a sheep and hand my money over to some organisation which I know nothing about, some people are so gullible!
But there isn't just one cancer. Its a wide umbrella of different illnesses many of which are no longer the death sentence they were not so long ago. My niece had non Hodgkins lymphoma when she was 14 6 years ago. She just celebrated her 5 years free of cancer a week ago. That would have killed her not so long ago.
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Good to hear!
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What I don't understand is we have so many people doing so much charity work to raise money for CANCER. All this money raised goes into experimenting to get drugs to hold back or even one day kill off cancer. What I can't get in my head is when they come up with a drug that will hold the cancer back for some time they want to then sell these drugs for thousands of pounds to each patient which the rich people can afford, hold on a minute where did they get the money in the first place !!!!
The NHS can't afford to pay the money they want to treat everyone so how I see it the rich who probably don't do much not all some do give to charity but probably the fat business people don't run or do much so I've given up on giving to charity. My mum and sister died of cancer and the NHS couldn't give my sister the drug to keep her going for another 6 months as it was to expensive and she did a run for life before she was diagnosed!!!!!!!!!
I agree! Cancer is big business, and none of these so called charities are interested in finding a cure whatsoever, there is no money in a cure, if a cure was found then the donations would stop! Prevention is the key, and the western diet/lifestyle is pretty much responsible for all of these diseases. As for those criticising my stand against the ice bucket challenge nonsense, I never blindly follow the crowd like a sheep and hand my money over to some organisation which I know nothing about, some people are so gullible!
That's rubbish.
I reckon there's huge money in a cure for a type of cancer. If someone discovered a cure I'm sure the money they'd make would be far greater than these charitable donations.
And think of the money NHS would save.
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I think the question of what do the cancer charities do with the research money when cures are not coming forward in abundance maybe misses the scale of the investments. Maybe what the likes of Macmillan and Cancer research UK can contribute is a drop in the ocean of spending trying to find cures.
I've wondered myself why so much cash goes into charities researching cancer only for a drug to come along that will lengthen a cancer patients life span by 6 months or so but will cost 12k month. Maybe the drug company has invested billions when the cancer research charities are talking millions?
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It is all a massive con!! The drug companies are taking us all for a ride. It should all be about prevention not cure, the human race eats crap food which is full of poisons every single day, and then wonders why so many get ill!! The ALS "charity" spent half of its 24 million dollar income last year on running itself, and the people who hold the top five posts in the organisation took over a million of that between them!! Your money is just making rich people richer, you mugs!!!
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It should all be about prevention not cure, the human race eats crap food which is full of poisons every single day, and then wonders why so many get ill!!
You're right. You can see the effect of all the "poisons" you eat every day in this graph of UK life expectancy at birth over three decades. Clearly we're all becoming more and more ill. It's there in the graph. Look.
(http://i1359.photobucket.com/albums/q797/Onionman9999/lechart_tcm77-234038_zps795cd751.png) (http://s1359.photobucket.com/user/Onionman9999/media/lechart_tcm77-234038_zps795cd751.png.html)
Never, ever, ever, let the facts get in the way of a good scare.
Vin
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It should all be about prevention not cure, the human race eats crap food which is full of poisons every single day, and then wonders why so many get ill!!
You're right. You can see the effect of all the "poisons" you eat every day in this graph of UK life expectancy at birth over three decades. Clearly we're all becoming more and more ill. It's there in the graph. Look.
(http://i1359.photobucket.com/albums/q797/Onionman9999/lechart_tcm77-234038_zps795cd751.png) (http://s1359.photobucket.com/user/Onionman9999/media/lechart_tcm77-234038_zps795cd751.png.html)
Never, ever, ever, let the facts get in the way of a good scare.
Vin
I don't necessarily agree with Groundhog but yes we are living longer but are we just living longer with disease or are we staying disease free?
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Groundhog does your poo stink??
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Normally yes, but when he does £500 a day out the back of his car then - no.
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It is all a massive con!! The drug companies are taking us all for a ride. It should all be about prevention not cure, the human race eats crap food which is full of poisons every single day, and then wonders why so many get ill!! The ALS "charity" spent half of its 24 million dollar income last year on running itself, and the people who hold the top five posts in the organisation took over a million of that between them!! Your money is just making rich people richer, you mugs!!!
I reckon if someone discovered a cure for a type of cancer they'd make significantly more than
24m dollars a year. And it's not all about money.
Your views on this are just ridiculous.
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Guys there are cures for cancer, even the most aggressive types can be cured if found early enough.
I'm sure that most cancer survivors wouldn't call the guys who donated to cancer research mugs.
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I have read his backposts and Im pretty sure groundhog is a windup merchant and fair play coz he makes me laugh.
All this Working from a volvo doing min £25 houses doing £500 a day but couldnt afford a van lmao He is defo on a windup.. Top man. Now as said get wet and chuck a donation in you tight git.
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It is all a massive con!! The drug companies are taking us all for a ride. It should all be about prevention not cure, the human race eats crap food which is full of poisons every single day, and then wonders why so many get ill!! The ALS "charity" spent half of its 24 million dollar income last year on running itself, and the people who hold the top five posts in the organisation took over a million of that between them!! Your money is just making rich people richer, you mugs!!!
I reckon if someone discovered a cure for a type of cancer they'd make significantly more than
24m dollars a year. And it's not all about money.
Your views on this are just ridiculous.
There is significantly more money griff in developing treatments for managing
illnesses like cancer Hiv etc than a outright cure.
However that still wouldn't stop me from donating
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I have read his backposts and Im pretty sure groundhog is a windup merchant and fair play coz he makes me laugh.
All this Working from a volvo doing min £25 houses doing £500 a day but couldnt afford a van lmao He is defo on a windup.. Top man. Now as said get wet and chuck a donation in you tight git.
You forgot while using a harris pole ;)
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Haha yes the famous harris pole.
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It is all a massive con!! The drug companies are taking us all for a ride. It should all be about prevention not cure, the human race eats crap food which is full of poisons every single day, and then wonders why so many get ill!! The ALS "charity" spent half of its 24 million dollar income last year on running itself, and the people who hold the top five posts in the organisation took over a million of that between them!! Your money is just making rich people richer, you mugs!!!
I reckon if someone discovered a cure for a type of cancer they'd make significantly more than
24m dollars a year. And it's not all about money.
Your views on this are just ridiculous.
There is significantly more money griff in developing treatments for managing
illnesses like cancer Hiv etc than a outright cure.
However that still wouldn't stop me from donating
Possibly but treatments are still good. And they might just easier to discover.
But what I mean is, cures are not being avoided because it could affect revenue. That revenue would just be too good to turn down.
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Until profit stops being the ultimate goal for pharmaceutical companies
there will never be a ultimate cure for cancer etc..
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Your views on this are just ridiculous.
Just this? ;)
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It should all be about prevention not cure, the human race eats crap food which is full of poisons every single day, and then wonders why so many get ill!!
You're right. You can see the effect of all the "poisons" you eat every day in this graph of UK life expectancy at birth over three decades. Clearly we're all becoming more and more ill. It's there in the graph. Look.
I think you are totally missing the point! You go back to the early 80's in your chart, well human beings have been around for millions of years, and they are getting unhealthier by the year, we are not supposed to be so sickly, it is because we fill our bodies with toxins every single day. There are countless cases of races of hunter gatherers who lived healthy lives and were virtually disease free, only to be Westernised and take up our diet and lifestyle, which resulted in them being introduced to heart disease, obesity, diabetes, cancer etc etc We don't need a cure, we need to look at our lifestyles and start living the way nature intended us to.
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It should all be about prevention not cure, the human race eats crap food which is full of poisons every single day, and then wonders why so many get ill!!
You're right. You can see the effect of all the "poisons" you eat every day in this graph of UK life expectancy at birth over three decades. Clearly we're all becoming more and more ill. It's there in the graph. Look.
I think you are totally missing the point! You go back to the early 80's in your chart, well human beings have been around for millions of years, and they are getting unhealthier by the year, we are not supposed to be so sickly, it is because we fill our bodies with toxins every single day. There are countless cases of races of hunter gatherers who lived healthy lives and were virtually disease free, only to be Westernised and take up our diet and lifestyle, which resulted in them being introduced to heart disease, obesity, diabetes, cancer etc etc We don't need a cure, we need to look at our lifestyles and start living the way nature intended us to.
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How long did people live for 100+ years ago?? You honestly think we are worse off now?
Complete rubbish, we have never been healthier, mainly thanks to science and their continuous research. ::)roll
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It should all be about prevention not cure, the human race eats crap food which is full of poisons every single day, and then wonders why so many get ill!!
You're right. You can see the effect of all the "poisons" you eat every day in this graph of UK life expectancy at birth over three decades. Clearly we're all becoming more and more ill. It's there in the graph. Look.
I think you are totally missing the point! You go back to the early 80's in your chart, well human beings have been around for millions of years, and they are getting unhealthier by the year, we are not supposed to be so sickly, it is because we fill our bodies with toxins every single day. There are countless cases of races of hunter gatherers who lived healthy lives and were virtually disease free, only to be Westernised and take up our diet and lifestyle, which resulted in them being introduced to heart disease, obesity, diabetes, cancer etc etc We don't need a cure, we need to look at our lifestyles and start living the way nature intended us to.
(http://i1359.photobucket.com/albums/q797/Onionman9999/lechart_tcm77-234038_zps795cd751.png)[/
(http://s1359.photobucket.com/user/Onionman9999/media/lechart_tcm77-234038_zps795cd751.png.html)
How long did people live for 100+ years ago?? You honestly think we are worse off now?
Complete rubbish, we have never been healthier, mainly thanks to science and their continuous research. ::)roll
Yet again you are missing the point!!100 years ago is nothing when you think that us Humans have been around for millions of years, our problems started over 10,000 years ago when agriculture began. Before that we lived as nature intended us to, as hunter gatherers and had done for millions of years. Our bodies adapted to that lifestyle, and our Paleolithic cousins were bigger, fitter, stronger and far healthier than people today, death from diseases like cancer, diabetes and heart disease were almost unheard of, they also had larger brains than people today, particuarly certain members of this forum!! ;)
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I think you are totally missing the point! You go back to the early 80's in your chart, well human beings have been around for millions of years, and they are getting unhealthier by the year, we are not supposed to be so sickly, it is because we fill our bodies with toxins every single day. There are countless cases of races of hunter gatherers who lived healthy lives and were virtually disease free, only to be Westernised and take up our diet and lifestyle, which resulted in them being introduced to heart disease, obesity, diabetes, cancer etc etc We don't need a cure, we need to look at our lifestyles and start living the way nature intended us to.
"Getting unhealthier by the year" yet living longer than ever in human history. You're a real star. A diamond.
From now on, rest assured that I'll be giving your posts exactly the amount of attention they deserve.
Vin
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Not meaning to be picky Hoggy but stone age man wasn't our cousins
they are our ancestors :)
I understand what you are trying to say comparing paeolithic to neolithic
man and physical strength etc but nature gave us an adaptive brain and
developing agriculture was part of our natural evolution.Nature gave us
the ability to develop and evolve.
As for cancers not being prevalent in the stone age,you can put
this down to the fact that man didn't live much past our physical
peak which is around thirty and most cases of cancer occur in people
older than this
We are definitely better off today matey,i will take our current lifestyle
over the previous which must of been for the most part a hard and miserable
existence.
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I think you are totally missing the point! You go back to the early 80's in your chart, well human beings have been around for millions of years, and they are getting unhealthier by the year, we are not supposed to be so sickly, it is because we fill our bodies with toxins every single day. There are countless cases of races of hunter gatherers who lived healthy lives and were virtually disease free, only to be Westernised and take up our diet and lifestyle, which resulted in them being introduced to heart disease, obesity, diabetes, cancer etc etc We don't need a cure, we need to look at our lifestyles and start living the way nature intended us to.
"Getting unhealthier by the year" yet living longer than ever in human history. You're a real star. A diamond.
From now on, rest assured that I'll be giving your posts exactly the amount of attention they deserve.
Vin
There is some truth in the unhealthier bit,yes we do live longer but the fact
is after forty years of age especially we are on a spiral downwards physically
and in some cases mentally.I come across plenty of people in their late seventies
and eighties who are living on a cocktail of drugs which yes keep them alive
but you have to question the quality of life.
If you are one of the rare breed who have great genetics longevity is a generally
a good thing.
Personally I will be happy tp live the old three score and ten and disappear
and earlier if my quality of life is poope :)
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Not meaning to be picky Hoggy but stone age man wasn't our cousins
they are our ancestors :)
I understand what you are trying to say comparing paeolithic to neolithic
man and physical strength etc but nature gave us an adaptive brain and
developing agriculture was part of our natural evolution.Nature gave us
the ability to develop and evolve.
As for cancers not being prevalent in the stone age,you can put
this down to the fact that man didn't live much past our physical
peak which is around thirty and most cases of cancer occur in people
older than this
We are definitely better off today matey,i will take our current lifestyle
over the previous which must of been for the most part a hard and miserable
existence.
Gary my old mate, I'm not going to argue on this one anymore as it is pointless trying to help people with closed minds!! And I am not including you in that comment buddy, but I believe that we can learn a lot from our "ancestors" and I challenge you to give up the western diet for a month and only eat the way hunter gatherers ate in the past, I promise you that you will feel amazing. There are plenty of books and websites on the subject. :)
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Not meaning to be picky Hoggy but stone age man wasn't our cousins
they are our ancestors :)
I understand what you are trying to say comparing paeolithic to neolithic
man and physical strength etc but nature gave us an adaptive brain and
developing agriculture was part of our natural evolution.Nature gave us
the ability to develop and evolve.
As for cancers not being prevalent in the stone age,you can put
this down to the fact that man didn't live much past our physical
peak which is around thirty and most cases of cancer occur in people
older than this
We are definitely better off today matey,i will take our current lifestyle
over the previous which must of been for the most part a hard and miserable
existence.
Gary my old mate, I'm not going to argue on this one anymore as it is pointless trying to help people with closed minds!! And I am not including you in that comment buddy, but I believe that we can learn a lot from our "ancestors" and I challenge you to give up the western diet for a month and only eat the way hunter gatherers ate in the past, I promise you that you will feel amazing. There are plenty of books and websites on the subject. :)
wont work for me hoggy,im one of the people kept artificially alive with
drugs,i have gastric reflux disease I cant eat anything without my drugs ;D
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Not meaning to be picky Hoggy but stone age man wasn't our cousins
they are our ancestors :)
I understand what you are trying to say comparing paeolithic to neolithic
man and physical strength etc but nature gave us an adaptive brain and
developing agriculture was part of our natural evolution.Nature gave us
the ability to develop and evolve.
As for cancers not being prevalent in the stone age,you can put
this down to the fact that man didn't live much past our physical
peak which is around thirty and most cases of cancer occur in people
older than this
We are definitely better off today matey,i will take our current lifestyle
over the previous which must of been for the most part a hard and miserable
existence.
Gary my old mate, I'm not going to argue on this one anymore as it is pointless trying to help people with closed minds!! And I am not including you in that comment buddy, but I believe that we can learn a lot from our "ancestors" and I challenge you to give up the western diet for a month and only eat the way hunter gatherers ate in the past, I promise you that you will feel amazing. There are plenty of books and websites on the subject. :)
wont work for me hoggy,im one of the people kept artificially alive with
drugs,i have gastric reflux disease I cant eat anything without my drugs ;D
Can't you try a paleo/primal style diet with your drugs? http://huntgatherlove.com/content/treating-gerd-paleo-diet
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I have a relatively healthy diet anyway very little meat no cows milk etc,i keep
bread to the minimum although funny enough if I have bread
its normally white processed,i just cannot digest the more healthier
type and nuts and berries leave me extremely unwell.
I use my lanzaprole as little as possible but at some point I will need
to use it the diets paleo etc do work for some but not for me
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That's a shame, stay healthy bud!
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That's a shame, stay healthy bud!
Paleo is good if you can stick to it bud.
One if my BIL's does it infrequently.
But as a permanent lifestyle change-very few will stick to it.
It's certainly not for me.
But I do admire those that stick to it rigidly.
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That's a shame, stay healthy bud!
Paleo is good if you can stick to it bud.
One if my BIL's does it infrequently.
But as a permanent lifestyle change-very few will stick to it.
It's certainly not for me.
But I do admire those that stick to it rigidly.
It certainly is, I stuck to the paleo/primal lifestyle for 2 years in my early forties, and it was the best I have ever felt in my life! The last few years I have let it slip due to my marriage problems, the problem is that most of the food we eat these days is made to be addictive by filling it full of sugar or salt, so once you get used to eating it, it is hard to break away from that kind of diet. I have recently gone back onto the paleo diet, and I am determined to stick to it this time!
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That's a shame, stay healthy bud!
Paleo is good if you can stick to it bud.
One if my BIL's does it infrequently.
But as a permanent lifestyle change-very few will stick to it.
It's certainly not for me.
But I do admire those that stick to it rigidly.
It certainly is, I stuck to the paleo/primal lifestyle for 2 years in my early forties, and it was the best I have ever felt in my life! The last few years I have let it slip due to my marriage problems, the problem is that most of the food we eat these days is made to be addictive by filling it full of sugar or salt, so once you get used to eating it, it is hard to break away from that kind of diet. I have recently gone back onto the paleo diet, and I am determined to stick to it this time!
All good GH.
It isn't the only way though.
Horses for courses bud.
Did you see ' horizon' 2 weeks ago?
According to that I should be well dead.
But I'm fit enough.
It's doing what your body tells you that is the key...
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Some people get that obsessed with trying to live a healthy lifestyle they might as well be dead,
and what do they get for all this ? a few extra years sitting in a old folks home wearing a nappy.
We spend that much time listening to so called experts who tell us this one week and something else the following
week that we have forgotten to use our common sense.
How long have we been told to avoid saturated fat as it causes heart disease, now they believe it doesn't.
Scientists have been making a fortune telling us something that we have known for centuries.
For a long and happy life avoid the following.
Lust, gluttony, greed, sloth, wrath, envy, pride. and don't use a ladder to clean windows.
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That's a shame, stay healthy bud!
Paleo is good if you can stick to it bud.
One if my BIL's does it infrequently.
But as a permanent lifestyle change-very few will stick to it.
It's certainly not for me.
But I do admire those that stick to it rigidly.
It certainly is, I stuck to the paleo/primal lifestyle for 2 years in my early forties, and it was the best I have ever felt in my life! The last few years I have let it slip due to my marriage problems, the problem is that most of the food we eat these days is made to be addictive by filling it full of sugar or salt, so once you get used to eating it, it is hard to break away from that kind of diet. I have recently gone back onto the paleo diet, and I am determined to stick to it this time!
All good GH.
It isn't the only way though.
Horses for courses bud.
Did you see ' horizon' 2 weeks ago?
According to that I should be well dead.
But I'm fit enough.
It's doing what your body tells you that is the key...
No I didn't see it, I will have to look it up, thanks!
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Some people get that obsessed with trying to live a healthy lifestyle they might as well be dead,
and what do they get for all this ? a few extra years sitting in a old folks home wearing a nappy.
I know an elderly gentleman who recently ran a 24 hour race around a track. He's 76 years old and he ran 77 miles in 24 hours. One of the other competitors was an 80 year old who ran 80 miles in the same time period.
Trying to live a healthy lifestyle isn't about trying to squeeze out a few extra years, it's about having a better quality of life during the time we've got.
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Some people get that obsessed with trying to live a healthy lifestyle they might as well be dead,
and what do they get for all this ? a few extra years sitting in a old folks home wearing a nappy.
I know an elderly gentleman who recently ran a 24 hour race around a track. He's 76 years old and he ran 77 miles in 24 hours. One of the other competitors was an 80 year old who ran 80 miles in the same time period.
Trying to live a healthy lifestyle isn't about trying to squeeze out a few extra years, it's about having a better quality of life during the time we've got.
Absolutely!! :)
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It should all be about prevention not cure, the human race eats crap food which is full of poisons every single day, and then wonders why so many get ill!!
You're right. You can see the effect of all the "poisons" you eat every day in this graph of UK life expectancy at birth over three decades. Clearly we're all becoming more and more ill. It's there in the graph. Look.
I think you are totally missing the point! You go back to the early 80's in your chart, well human beings have been around for millions of years, and they are getting unhealthier by the year, we are not supposed to be so sickly, it is because we fill our bodies with toxins every single day. There are countless cases of races of hunter gatherers who lived healthy lives and were virtually disease free, only to be Westernised and take up our diet and lifestyle, which resulted in them being introduced to heart disease, obesity, diabetes, cancer etc etc We don't need a cure, we need to look at our lifestyles and start living the way nature intended us to.
(http://i1359.photobucket.com/albums/q797/Onionman9999/lechart_tcm77-234038_zps795cd751.png)[/
(http://s1359.photobucket.com/user/Onionman9999/media/lechart_tcm77-234038_zps795cd751.png.html)
How long did people live for 100+ years ago?? You honestly think we are worse off now?
Complete rubbish, we have never been healthier, mainly thanks to science and their continuous research. ::)roll
Yet again you are missing the point!!100 years ago is nothing when you think that us Humans have been around for millions of years, our problems started over 10,000 years ago when agriculture began. Before that we lived as nature intended us to, as hunter gatherers and had done for millions of years. Our bodies adapted to that lifestyle, and our Paleolithic cousins were bigger, fitter, stronger and far healthier than people today, death from diseases like cancer, diabetes and heart disease were almost unheard of, they also had larger brains than people today, particuarly certain members of this forum!! ;)
I think you could write for Viz.
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That's a shame, stay healthy bud!
Paleo is good if you can stick to it bud.
One if my BIL's does it infrequently.
But as a permanent lifestyle change-very few will stick to it.
It's certainly not for me.
But I do admire those that stick to it rigidly.
It certainly is, I stuck to the paleo/primal lifestyle for 2 years in my early forties, and it was the best I have ever felt in my life! The last few years I have let it slip due to my marriage problems, the problem is that most of the food we eat these days is made to be addictive by filling it full of sugar or salt, so once you get used to eating it, it is hard to break away from that kind of diet. I have recently gone back onto the paleo diet, and I am determined to stick to it this time!
All good GH.
It isn't the only way though.
Horses for courses bud.
Did you see ' horizon' 2 weeks ago?
According to that I should be well dead.
But I'm fit enough.
It's doing what your body tells you that is the key...
No I didn't see it, I will have to look it up, thanks!
I really enjoyed it. 2 parts. Week one was the effect of meat (especially processed) on our bodies individually
week 2 was the affect on the environment. a quick snippet- 'one third of the earths usable surface is dedicated to raising meat in one way or another'
And the cow-that really made me laugh. You'll see what i mean.
Great doctor-forgot his name-but find his style very watchable.
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I really enjoyed it. 2 parts. Week one was the effect of meat (especially processed) on our bodies individually
week 2 was the affect on the environment. a quick snippet- 'one third of the earths usable surface is dedicated to raising meat in one way or another'
And the cow-that really made me laugh. You'll see what i mean.
Great doctor-forgot his name-but find his style very watchable.
Sounds interesting, I'll try to find it. Thanks :)
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I really enjoyed it. 2 parts. Week one was the effect of meat (especially processed) on our bodies individually
week 2 was the affect on the environment. a quick snippet- 'one third of the earths usable surface is dedicated to raising meat in one way or another'
And the cow-that really made me laugh. You'll see what i mean.
Great doctor-forgot his name-but find his style very watchable.
Sounds interesting, I'll try to find it. Thanks :)
Here you go bud:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b04fhb90/horizon-20142015-1-should-i-eat-meat-the-big-health-dilemma
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b04fhbrt/horizon-20142015-2-should-i-eat-meat-how-to-feed-the-planet
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I really enjoyed it. 2 parts. Week one was the effect of meat (especially processed) on our bodies individually
week 2 was the affect on the environment. a quick snippet- 'one third of the earths usable surface is dedicated to raising meat in one way or another'
And the cow-that really made me laugh. You'll see what i mean.
Great doctor-forgot his name-but find his style very watchable.
Sounds interesting, I'll try to find it. Thanks :)
Here you go bud:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b04fhb90/horizon-20142015-1-should-i-eat-meat-the-big-health-dilemma
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b04fhbrt/horizon-20142015-2-should-i-eat-meat-how-to-feed-the-planet
Thankyou, much appreciated! :)
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Until profit stops being the ultimate goal for pharmaceutical companies
there will never be a ultimate cure for cancer etc..
Not if there were huge profits from finding a cure?
I don't think someone could resist the massive profits and recognition that would come with ending cancer.
Just make opinion, though.
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Until profit stops being the ultimate goal for pharmaceutical companies
there will never be a ultimate cure for cancer etc..
Not if there were huge profits from finding a cure?
I don't think someone could resist the massive profits and recognition that would come with ending cancer.
Just make opinion, though.
If they found or released the ultimate cure for cancer for sake of argument
like a gene vaccination ultimately the profit would end why give you the end game
when they can give you incremental increase in better treatment over years and
have a never ending source of massive profit especially with people living ever
longer and the number of people needing treatment constantly increasing.
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I know what you mean, Gary, but I reckon someone would cash in or couldn't keep it quiet.
The short term gains would be massive and too much to resist.
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I know what you mean, Gary, but I reckon someone would cash in or couldn't keep it quiet.
The short term gains would be massive and too much to resist.
I take your point Griff but pharmaceutical industry wields massive power
and this person or persons would simply be paid off and its not totally
outside the realm of reality that they would be shut up or down if it
suited the purpose.
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I know what you mean, Gary, but I reckon someone would cash in or couldn't keep it quiet.
The short term gains would be massive and too much to resist.
I take your point Griff but pharmaceutical industry wields massive power
and this person or persons would simply be paid off and its not totally
outside the realm of reality that they would be shut up or down if it
suited the purpose.
Fairy nuff
But let's hope you're wrong ;).
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I know what you mean, Gary, but I reckon someone would cash in or couldn't keep it quiet.
The short term gains would be massive and too much to resist.
I take your point Griff but pharmaceutical industry wields massive power
and this person or persons would simply be paid off and its not totally
outside the realm of reality that they would be shut up or down if it
suited the purpose.
Fairy nuff
But let's hope you're wrong ;).
I wouldn't worry im rarely if ever right ;D
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you were right about backscuttle being the best word ever though
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getting back on track this is a couple of vids of my mrs and me and we are are more than happy to donate 8)
we gave my mrs a double dose in this one ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10152280591707097&set=vb.598002096&type=2&theater
me i got off light ;)
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10152280596527097&set=vb.598002096&type=2&theater
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People saying "throwing a bucket of ice water over you heard doesnt raise awareness for the illness"
But tbh it does because i had never even heard of it until these videos came out, and now i know a lot more about it:)
Thats how it works :)
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Got to love this forum!
Goes from being about charity(and raising money for a good cause), to having an argument about what people think about charities/the way they raise funds/the way they use funds.
Lighten up guys. ;D
lol
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I view it differently......
You will do, its know in the mainstream media as "desperate marketing"
I would pay to see Perry Tait form Reach-iT to get drenched myself lmao ( for example)
Nah, this is trying to implant the name of "Perry Tait" and his "reach IT" brand in our heads. You'd rather us remember Perry Tait and Reach IT, but you'd really rather drown Alex Gardiner and his Gardiners Pole Systems i'd suspect, and so would Perry Tait !!!
OMG, do you look over your shoulder all the time too :)
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The point is that the post should have been on the non window cleaning board.
I blame the mods, but the challenge has got something to do with water, and we use that to clean windows with. And then there's window cleaners in the original post, and it's for charidee innit? It'll get a bigger audience here.
There's a lot of grumpy folk about today? I think it's the change in the weather, or their piles is playing them up or summat.
;D
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OMG, do you look over your shoulder all the time too :)
Certainly do Lee ;D Although in this context i like to keep an eye on you !!
And you'll get no critiscism from me regarding you getting us the meet the "celebrities", or becoming the new "owner" of the Guild, or bringing us the latest advances in window cleaning via your magazine. Soon, i won't need to log on here. I can get all the info i need from you. ;D
Top man !!!!