Clean It Up
UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Carpet Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Ian Gourlay on August 21, 2014, 10:19:50 pm
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I heard a report today saying that from September it will be illegal to sell a vacuum cleaner over 1600 watts and from 2017 1300 watts
The thought occurred to me if this applies to water extraction vacuums we better requip now
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Ian in 2017 its down to 900 watts. Absolute farce and once again we' ll be the mugs who enforce it.
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It must be for domestic equipment only... Surely
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Russ I hope so only
On radio you do not get details
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Hi Ian,
I also heard this piece about vacuum motors on the radio. Just looked up about electric vac motor wattage on EU website and have cut and pasted their words on this verbatim below.
"Vacuum cleaners will use less energy for the same performance - how much dust they pick up. This will help consumers to save money and make Europe as a whole use less energy.
On 1 September 2014, vacuum cleaners in the EU will have to abide by a new set of minimum requirements. They cover:
Power
Performance (ability to pick up dust)
Energy efficiency
Dust re-emission in the exhaust air (particularly important for people with asthma)
Noise level
Durability (no early failure of the hose or the motor)
So we look at power, but also at performance.
As regards power, the maximum allowed input power will be reduced: from 1600 Watt in 1 September 2014, to 900 Watt in September 2017. The current average on the market is about 1800 Watt.
But – contrary to what is written in some articles and comments –the amount of Watt does not automatically indicate how well a vacuum cleaner will clean. The amount of Watt indicates how much electrical power is used by the engine.
The important question is: How efficient is this electrical power translated into picking-up dust? Dust pick-up is also part of the new technical standard. New models put on the market must undergo a practical test, where the pick-up performance is measured and they have to achieve a certain pick-up factor.
As a result of the new EU ecodesign and labelling regulations, consumers will also get better vacuum cleaners. In the past there was no legislation on vacuum cleaners and companies could sell poorly performing vacuum cleaners. Now, vacuum cleaners that use a lot of energy, that pick up dust poorly, emit too much dust at the exhaust of the vacuum cleaner, are noisy or break down pre-maturely will not be allowed on the market anymore. This means a better cleaning experience and less time and money spent on vacuum cleaning".
Regards Phil.
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Better get a tm before portys are banned
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Absolute garbage, in tests nearly all the best performing vacuum cleaners had motors around 2000 watts. Its common sense which we all know is seriously lacking in politicians. In fact the clowns who make these laws up aren't even elected politicians they are appointed EU commisioners.
The EU is an affront to democracy.
Another rediculous regulation which has started and comes into force fully are the new chemical regulations.
Every product has to be registered with a beurocratic body based in Helsinki. Anything they are not familiar with, ie anything which is a formula (carpet cleaning products) is likely going to have to be tested. Estimated cost of test is between 8-100K.
This is going to cost British industry a conservative estimate of £10 Billion. It will also cost thousands of jobs.
The Indians and Chinese will be laugthing their socks off whilst they steam ahead supplying the developing world.
One of our Chemical suppliers is seriously concerned about this they requested a meeting with the then Liberal Democrat Euro MP for Cheshire. Even though they are based in Manchester he refused to meet them on home turf and insisted on them travelling to Strasboug so the ponce could show off his flash office. 2 Directors flew over, hotels etc, not cheap. Walked into his off ice and he said "I'll listen to what you have to say but I will be voting for the legislation and nothing will sway me" They walked out without even speaking to the idiot.
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that's because his greasy palm is going to be laced with loads of cash for getting it through
i hate politicians, they are legal crooks syphoning off money from the economy with their dodgy dealings the average Joe has to pay back
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Politicians are a bit like vacuum cleaners...
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As you all probably know I am not anti Europe but i have now done some reading and I still think this is nuts.
I bought a Vax 1800 yesterday but I am disappointed with the suck although it does apear to pick up the dirt . I like to feel it grab the carpet.
I cannot see why they have picked on vacuums if they want to save planet which I do believe in have everybody driving around in 950cc cars mind you I would be first to complain.
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I'm pretty sure that Lib Dem MEP lost his seat in the Euro Elections.
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a friend of mine is an electrical goods retailer, he got an email off Miele to say they only had 75 2200 watt vacs left, he phoned them to order them 5 mins later and they only had 23 left. He ordered them and sold 7 before they had arrived
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Absolute garbage, in tests nearly all the best performing vacuum cleaners had motors around 2000 watts. Its common sense which we all know is seriously lacking in politicians. In fact the clowns who make these laws up aren't even elected politicians they are appointed EU commisioners.
The EU is an affront to democracy.
Another rediculous regulation which has started and comes into force fully are the new chemical regulations.
Every product has to be registered with a beurocratic body based in Helsinki. Anything they are not familiar with, ie anything which is a formula (carpet cleaning products) is likely going to have to be tested. Estimated cost of test is between 8-100K.
This is going to cost British industry a conservative estimate of £10 Billion. It will also cost thousands of jobs.
The Indians and Chinese will be laugthing their socks off whilst they steam ahead supplying the developing world.
One of our Chemical suppliers is seriously concerned about this they requested a meeting with the then Liberal Democrat Euro MP for Cheshire. Even though they are based in Manchester he refused to meet them on home turf and insisted on them travelling to Strasboug so the ponce could show off his flash office. 2 Directors flew over, hotels etc, not cheap. Walked into his off ice and he said "I'll listen to what you have to say but I will be voting for the legislation and nothing will sway me" They walked out without even speaking to the idiot.
That says it all, have you listened to a guy called Daniel Hannan? its pretty much what he says about the EU, saw him in a EU debate taking apart the pro EU guy.
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Panic buying vacuum cleaners, who'd have thunk it.
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Yep UKIP won that seat. After 1st November we won't be able to hold a referendum unless all 27 EU states agree to let us. Not a lot of people know that!
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Just heard on tv that those regulations are for domestic vacuums not industrial.
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I can confirm whats Radek saying. I fallow this since topic's been created!
Do not panic people it wont harm this business. Fingers crossed!
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Thats the Dyson stuffed then ! Lol
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Thin end of the wedge.
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John Kelly
what you doing on here ? Thought you were on holiday ? Lol
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Yeah it is only domestic but like all Editors I like to use sensation
but its still a load of ........... Domestic needs more suck to get the critters sand etc out of carpet
In this case EU has done Commercial Cleaners a Good Turn
As we can now explain that our machines have more power than your domestic machine .
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Henry is a popular cheap domestic vacummer, probably will be still for sale as it is. They will get more domestic customers so.
Well, producers will look probably for new technologies that gives more power with less watts, I hope anyway.
Dyson will be a big winner from now.
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Don't panic captain mainwaring!
I can see the point of a lot of these rules - better vacuums, less marketing BS, greater durability, fewer Dysons, but the wattage one is daft.
However, most CCs use a Sebo BS36, which is about 1300 watts, so a good while before they're banned - and it's only the sale that will be restricted, not the use. Kirbys likewise 1200 watts, I think.
But a big part of how a vacuum works is to do with vacuum design, not power.
So, 'dirty air' push cleaners, like the Oreck XL, can deliver outstanding results at 350w. And vacuums with a huge filter area (like tub vacuums - Henry if you like) are pulling air through about 1,250 cm2, while expensive domestic canisters like AEG and Samsung are pulling the air through about 20cm2. Dirty air cleaners (Kirby, Oreck, Royale, etc.) also have huge filter surface areas. So I think there is hope.
But also, domestic vacuums and commercial ones are not the same - the regulations that apply to domestic washing machines do not apply to three-phase commercial machines.
The very best, openly published standards of vacuum cleaner performance are at the American Carpet and Rug Institute: they publish their criteria, and rank any vacuum submitted to them. You can find their results here: https://www.carpet-rug.org/CRI-Testing-Programs/CRI-Seal-of-Approval-Program/Vacuums/Certified-Vacuums.aspx
I don't think we need to panic!