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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: dazmond on August 18, 2014, 08:49:52 am
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reading others posts on expenses on another thread.i think some of you are not seeing the whole picture in regards to what you actually spend on EVERYTHING FOR YOUR BUSINESS!if you have round software its easier to see what you actually spend!
steven biggs you spend a lot more than £500 a year on your expenses thats for sure!
and sean k i turn over A LOT more than £25,000 a year as a one man band!! ;)
cost of buying your van,fuel,insurances,MOT,road tax,repairs,parts,etc,poles,brushes,hose,pumps,connectors,detergent,water bill,resin,ink/paper,stationary(business cards/leaflets,chits,envelopes etc),workwear/wet weather gear,gloves,LPG(in winter),boots,etc,etc.
the list goes on and on.
in fact this year itll be more like £7,000 expenses,maybe more due to new van but i AVERAGE around 5 grand a year over a 5 year period.
2 grand a year when a was 100% trad was about right including car,fuel and running costs.yes i use extreme poles but they will last years.
seriously some of you guys are deluding yourselves in actually how much you REALLY spend as to what YOU THINK you spend in your head.round software doesnt lie.it gives you a reality check in black and white.
all my work is within a 10 mile area too so i dont spend much on fuel(around £60 a month).
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I spend about £2500 just on fuel a year... My expenses only come to about £3500 a year but than again i only have one pole and a small round
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My expenses last year were £10k. One man band, but employ leafleters.
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So far this year since April.
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So far this year since April.
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That's what you spend on those dogging web sites and pay per hour hotel rooms you rent for your male contacts. :D
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Dazmond like a lot you make the mistake of working out your expenses over a year which gives you a false
reading.
Example.. I paid 7k for my van about 6 years ago and would still like to get at least another 6 years from it as
I do very little mileage and its in as good a condition as when I bought it.
So the cost of buying my van is just under £600 a year so how your new van is costing you an extra £2000
a year I don't know.
Even if you don't keep it for 12 years the resale value would make up part of the difference.
I don't think I questioned that you where making £25000 or more a year, I don't make £25000 a year so going
by some of the expenses posted on here I shouldn't be able to stay afloat.
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going by some of the expenses posted on here I shouldn't be able to stay afloat.
That depends on what you turnover.
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So far this year since April.
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That's what you spend on those dogging web sites and pay per hour hotel rooms you rent for your male contacts. :D
;D
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Sorry Dazmond but if a WFP system is costing you an extra £3000 a year you need to sack your accountant.
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going by some of the expenses posted on here I shouldn't be able to stay afloat.
That depends on what you turnover.
My turnover is less than £25000 a year.
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Sorry Dazmond but if a WFP system is costing you an extra £3000 a year you need to sack your accountant.
Er, I think Dazmond should pay his accountant more and you should sack yours as Dazmond's accountant is saving him at least £600 a year more than yours. Genius!!
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Sorry Dazmond but if a WFP system is costing you an extra £3000 a year you need to sack your accountant.
Er, I think Dazmond should pay his accountant more and you should sack yours as Dazmond's accountant is saving him at least £600 a year more than yours. Genius!!
The sacking the accountant remark was a joke, lighten up.
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Like I said in my previous post if your a window cleaner who needs a vehicle then the expenses aren't
going to be a much different if your traditional or wfp over the long term.
Yes there will be some exceptions to this, If your water is metered or you need premises to make water.
I mean a good DIY system will cost you around £1200 with a decent pole, add another £800 to maintain it
over 5 years and that works out at £400 a year. (yes I know there will be some who have done it cheaper )
So what would you say traditional cleaning would cost you, £200 a year over 5 years.
So you talking a difference of about £4 a week to clean using wfp.
Even if it works out a £10 extra a week its still not going to cost you thousands in the difference.
I'm only taking about the cost of the methods/equipment nothing else.
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5 K seems like a reasonable figure to me and I don't have a massive turnover.
Probably spend getting on to 2.5 K alone in fuel, then I have van maintenance, insurance, liability insurance, breakdown cover, road tax, equipment purchases and maintenance, resin, water bills, office supplies and stationery, work clothes, advertising, phone bills, leaflets etc. etc. it can all add up to close on that figure without realising.
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The original expenses topic that Dazmond is referring to was about the difference in expenses when comparing
traditional cleaning to WFP. ( Its on the is traditional methods are more acceptable post )
It was more the fact that he said his expenses went up £3000 a year by converting to WFP that was
questioned not that he was paying 5k a year.
Steven Biggs (I think) stated that he was paying £500 more a year using wfp methods not that his whole
expenses were £500.
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For a start if you are trad you don't need a van.
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5 K seems like a reasonable figure to me and I don't have a massive turnover.
Probably spend getting on to 2.5 K alone in fuel, then I have van maintenance, insurance, liability insurance, breakdown cover, road tax, equipment purchases and maintenance, resin, water bills, office supplies and stationery, work clothes, advertising, phone bills, leaflets etc. etc. it can all add up to close on that figure without realising.
Yes but I think you would have to be one of the unlucky ones to be paying that much as a one man operator.
What I mean is you would need to be on a water meter have very high insurance bills and having to pay for access to a water source.
Also having to travel a fair bit to get to your work would also add up in fuel and hourly costs.
I can easily get mine under £2500 a year and that's with a half decent van and a professionally fitted system.
To be honest If I hadn't wasted so much money on crappy poles and indoor cleaning kits I could have done it for less.
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For a start if you are trad you don't need a van.
Most serious shiners use a vehicle for their business doesn't matter if its a car or van the expenses are similar,
infact I would say a van is easier to maintain as its designed for work purposes.
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My expenses last year were £10k. One man band, but employ leafleters.
But that's not a yearly expense the cost of your advertising is only a start up cost that needs to be
divided over the lifetime of the work it gets you.
Its the same with your equipment there will be certain things that you might never need to buy again.
I haven't paid a penny in advertising in over 5 years but I still add it to my overall expenses as a percentage
because it cost me a certain amount in my first 18 months.
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Sean and others who think 5000 is way too much to spend on expenses.....
What have you claimed for on your 2013/2014 tax bill?
Mine is over £5,000 and I'm a one man WFP outfit. I also don't spend out on expensive gadgets etc, but everything adds up, including home office expenses everything.
Mobile phone costs alone are over £400 a year for me so £5,000 is hit very easily.
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Sean and others who think 5000 is way too much to spend on expenses.....
What have you claimed for on your 2013/2014 tax bill?
Mine is over £5,000 and I'm a one man WFP outfit. I also don't spend out on expensive gadgets etc, but everything adds up, including home office expenses everything.
Mobile phone costs alone are over £400 a year for me so £5,000 is hit very easily.
Jonny I'm in this business to make as much money as possible for as little work as possible so keeping my expenses as low
as possible is one way off doing that.
I don't skimp on anything that makes my job easier or quicker but I also don't waste it on anything that I don't need.
Well not anymore, well not too much as I do get fooled into buying the odd useless window cleaning gadget.
My mobile costs are next to nothing as far as my business goes because my customers call me if they have a problem and I don't feel the need to text them the night before. I have an old pay as you use contract that costs me nothing if I don't use it.
My fuel costs are low because I target properties that are close to home which also saves me on driving hours which would
do my head in as your not earning when not on the glass.
I'm also an old git 50 so my insurance costs are as low as possible.
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Jonny I'm in this business to make as much money as possible for as little work as possible
How much you made today? ;D
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£2500 a year on congeston charge.
over £1000 a year in parking meters.
parking tictets.£200 to £400 a year
speed camearas. bus lane camearas. yellow box camearas.parking camearas.
works out a lot of money to drive in london.
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Jonny I'm in this business to make as much money as possible for as little work as possible
How much you made today? ;D
The same as Iv made for about the last 8 weeks absolutely nothing, had an operation on my back that
didn't go as well as I would have liked.
So haven't been working, its a good job my expenses aren't that high or the bailiffs would be knocking at the door. ;D
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I think annoying people on here is the only thing that's been keeping me sane. ;D
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Doesn't seem to be working though does it ;D
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Doesn't seem to be working though does it ;D
;D ;D
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speed camearas. bus lane camearas. yellow box camearas.
Don't speed
Don't go in bus lanes
Don't go in yellow boxes unless your exit is clear. Except when turning right if you are prevented from turning by oncoming traffic, or by other vehicles waiting to turn right
There. Problem solved.
Vin
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Thanks vin ;D
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Dazmond your expenses are so high because you buy a load of over hyped crap that you don't need , you also seem to buy a lot of stuff twice .
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you also seem to buy a lot of stuff twice .
I dunno. Dazmond does very few miles, he's probably still on his first tankload.
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The original expenses topic that Dazmond is referring to was about the difference in expenses when comparing
traditional cleaning to WFP. ( Its on the is traditional methods are more acceptable post )
It was more the fact that he said his expenses went up £3000 a year by converting to WFP that was
questioned not that he was paying 5k a year.
Steven Biggs (I think) stated that he was paying £500 more a year using wfp methods not that his whole
expenses were £500.
Oh ok sorry, i joined the conversation late.
A 3 k difference would seem a bit excessive to me also.
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Expenses for July = £3,664.92
That's every single expense for the month including paying out for labour, my basic 'wage' and a loan repayment of £480.
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You're all forgetting Dazmond takes a packed lunch and a flask to work every day.
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i wish my expensive was less than 5 k
::)roll ::)roll ::)roll ::)roll
but there again i do buy a bike every now and then ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Another grand this week! Van gone in again for a bit of botox!
Never got my expenses below 5k for the year yet. :'(
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I paid out £3300 engine repair bills on my transporter this June and a service, Mot, fuel cost £2500 and all the other stuff so an excessive bad year for expenses around 8-9k :(
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Dazmond your expenses are so high because you buy a load of over hyped crap that you don't need , you also seem to buy a lot of stuff twice .
yes i indeed buy stuff TWICE!so i have spares!! :D
whats over hyped?extreme poles?i dont think so.not for me.i can afford them anyway matey. :).makes my working day a whole lot easier! ;)
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Rather than lads posting amounts of 'expenses'
Why not post a profit percentage?
That's probably a more accurate reflection of your business.
Someone saying 'I have expenses of £10k' (but turns over £80k) may not seem realistic to someone who turns over £20k.
It's relative.
Anyone who has an accountant (as opposed to doing their own books) will probably have a profit percentage in their accountants report.
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I wish my expenses where £5k pyr
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Dazmond you could get your expenses down 4k a year , just stop buying goose necks and crapuadapters ;D
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Rather than lads posting amounts of 'expenses'
Why not post a profit percentage?
That's probably a more accurate reflection of your business.
Someone saying 'I have expenses of £10k' (but turns over £80k) may not seem realistic to someone who turns over £20k.
It's relative.
Anyone who has an accountant (as opposed to doing their own books) will probably have a profit percentage in their accountants report.
Not really as most expenses are the same if you have a turnover of 80K or 20K when it comes to a one man band
cleaning windows.
The reason you will be taking in 80k instead of 20k will be down to pricing and speed and will have nothing to do with spending
extra on expenses.
Most willy wavers tend to forget this so when they boast about a big turnover they think they need to boast about big
expenses as well.
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Rather than lads posting amounts of 'expenses'
Why not post a profit percentage?
That's probably a more accurate reflection of your business.
Someone saying 'I have expenses of £10k' (but turns over £80k) may not seem realistic to someone who turns over £20k.
It's relative.
Anyone who has an accountant (as opposed to doing their own books) will probably have a profit percentage in their accountants report.
Not really as most expenses are the same if you have a turnover of 80K or 20K when it comes to a one man band
cleaning windows.
The reason you will be taking in 80k instead of 20k will be down to pricing and speed and will have nothing to do with spending
extra on expenses.
Most willy wavers tend to forget this so when they boast about a big turnover they think they need to boast about big
expenses as well.
I disagree.
More turnover will almost certainly mean more travelling for one. IE more diesel.
Have you earned £20k and £80k? Be assured, the expenses are not the same.
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Rather than lads posting amounts of 'expenses'
Why not post a profit percentage?
That's probably a more accurate reflection of your business.
Someone saying 'I have expenses of £10k' (but turns over £80k) may not seem realistic to someone who turns over £20k.
It's relative.
Anyone who has an accountant (as opposed to doing their own books) will probably have a profit percentage in their accountants report.
Not really as most expenses are the same if you have a turnover of 80K or 20K when it comes to a one man band
cleaning windows.
The reason you will be taking in 80k instead of 20k will be down to pricing and speed and will have nothing to do with spending
extra on expenses.
Most willy wavers tend to forget this so when they boast about a big turnover they think they need to boast about big
expenses as well.
I disagree.
More turnover will almost certainly mean more travelling for one. IE more diesel.
Have you earned £20k and £80k? Be assured, the expenses are not the same.
Yes if your making 80k because your employing but there will be no difference for a one man band.
If I was to double my prices tomorrow and get away with it my turnover would double but my expenses would stay
the same.
If I was to speed up and do an extra 10 properties a day I would still be using the same amount of water over the day just
less on each property so my expenses would stay the same.
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Did SeanK really say you need to write your van down over as long as you keep it?
Not so, under the Annual Investment Allowance scheme you can write it off in one year if you like but it is sometimes better to make sure you have enough profit left to use up your personal allowances so two - three years might be better.
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5k per year would get you something like this, ok i know you've got fuel and insurance on top...
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Did SeanK really say you need to write your van down over as long as you keep it?
Not so, under the Annual Investment Allowance scheme you can write it off in one year if you like but it is sometimes better to make sure you have enough profit left to use up your personal allowances so two - three years might be better.
No I said if I paid £7000 to buy the van and keep it for 12 years then the van would have cost me nearly £600 a year
to buy.
Didn't mention anything about tax allowances.
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Rather than lads posting amounts of 'expenses'
Why not post a profit percentage?
That's probably a more accurate reflection of your business.
Someone saying 'I have expenses of £10k' (but turns over £80k) may not seem realistic to someone who turns over £20k.
It's relative.
Anyone who has an accountant (as opposed to doing their own books) will probably have a profit percentage in their accountants report.
Not really as most expenses are the same if you have a turnover of 80K or 20K when it comes to a one man band
cleaning windows.
The reason you will be taking in 80k instead of 20k will be down to pricing and speed and will have nothing to do with spending
extra on expenses.
Most willy wavers tend to forget this so when they boast about a big turnover they think they need to boast about big
expenses as well.
Not many ( if any) one man bands will be turning over 80K anyway? In most cases if turnover goes up significantly, so does expenses.
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Most willy wavers tend to forget this so when they boast about a big turnover they think they need to boast about big expenses as well.
I guess it would be easy to deduce from this statement that as your not earning anything at the moment you haven't got a willy to wave. ;D
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Most willy wavers tend to forget this so when they boast about a big turnover they think they need to boast about big expenses as well.
I guess it would be easy to deduce from this statement that as your not earning anything at the moment you haven't got a willy to wave. ;D
;D ;D ;D
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Most willy wavers tend to forget this so when they boast about a big turnover they think they need to boast about big expenses as well.
I guess it would be easy to deduce from this statement that as your not earning anything at the moment you haven't got a willy to wave. ;D
Yes I went from earning £100 an hour to zero and unless I get back to work soon there's no way I will make my
£60000 target this year.
Might have to up my hours from 20 to 30 a week for the rest of the year.
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Dazmond does have Sutherland's salmon paste butties and use an unbreakable flask, as well.
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Rather than lads posting amounts of 'expenses'
Why not post a profit percentage?
That's probably a more accurate reflection of your business.
Someone saying 'I have expenses of £10k' (but turns over £80k) may not seem realistic to someone who turns over £20k.
It's relative.
Anyone who has an accountant (as opposed to doing their own books) will probably have a profit percentage in their accountants report.
Not really as most expenses are the same if you have a turnover of 80K or 20K when it comes to a one man band
cleaning windows.
The reason you will be taking in 80k instead of 20k will be down to pricing and speed and will have nothing to do with spending
extra on expenses.
Most willy wavers tend to forget this so when they boast about a big turnover they think they need to boast about big
expenses as well.
Not many ( if any) one man bands will be turning over 80K anyway? In most cases if turnover goes up significantly, so does expenses.
Please explain if your a one man band using a wfp system and your round goes from half full to full what expenses are
going to go up significantly ?
Yes you might spend a few quid extra on fuel and water but your expenses aren't going to go up significantly unless
your in a rural location and have to travel miles between each property.
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And Dazmond has his butties cut in to triangles :o.
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Please explain if your a one man band using a wfp system and your round goes from half full to full what expenses are
going to go up significantly ?
Yes you might spend a few quid extra on fuel and water but your expenses aren't going to go up significantly unless
your in a rural location and have to travel miles between each property.
If your round goes from half full to full you're doing twice as much work. You'll probably do twice as many miles so the fuel bill will double. You'll use twice as much water so your water bill will double. You'll get through brushes twice as fast previously so that bill will double. Resin - the same. Filters - the same. Paperwork - the same.
Shall I keep going?
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Please explain if your a one man band using a wfp system and your round goes from half full to full what expenses are
going to go up significantly ?
Yes you might spend a few quid extra on fuel and water but your expenses aren't going to go up significantly unless
your in a rural location and have to travel miles between each property.
If your round goes from half full to full you're doing twice as much work. You'll probably do twice as many miles so the fuel bill will double. You'll use twice as much water so your water bill will double. You'll get through brushes twice as fast previously so that bill will double. Resin - the same. Filters - the same. Paperwork - the same.
Shall I keep going?
Will the price of buying the van double will the price of your insurance double will your road tax double will your other insurances
double will the price of buying a system double.
All the items you mention are peanuts and controllable over five years compared to the expenses we all have to pay should we clean one property or a hundred.
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The price of buying the van may double if you have twice as much work to get through as you'll undoubtedly find you need a bigger van. When that happened here I went for a brand new Ford Custom. No need to go that expensive some might say but this thread isnt about how cheap you can get away with things its about the realism of running costs.
As a business owner I decided thats what I wanted so I went from something that had had its purchase costs written off to something that was costing 5K a year to buy.
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Dazmond you could get your expenses down 4k a year , just stop buying goose necks and crapuadapters ;D
i dont use aqua daptors anymore!ive got 5 goosenecks and 2 resi necks so im ok for a good few years yet! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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The price of buying the van may double if you have twice as much work to get through as you'll undoubtedly find you need a bigger van. When that happened here I went for a brand new Ford Custom. No need to go that expensive some might say but this thread isnt about how cheap you can get away with things its about the realism of running costs.
As a business owner I decided thats what I wanted so I went from something that had had its purchase costs written off to something that was costing 5K a year to buy.
I think we are getting mixed up about the expenses in a commercial and domestic round, for an example fuel costs can go down in
a domestic round as it gets bigger while in a commercial they would go up as you wouldn't have such a compact
working area.
Yes I agree, if you haven't made allowances for expansion in your business then this could cost you more in the long run.
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Everyones expensies are different so this is a pointless thread! I dont care what anyones expencies are as it makes no odds to me as everyones lives and means are different!.
If your honest then your expencies will be higher! If your a tax dodger then your expenses will be a lot lower! No 2 people do same jobs or the same distance some people make there sandwiches with asda smart price bread and some use hovis!
Some use a car some use a van! Some are trad and some are wfp.
Some men like big tits and some like small!(i like big ;D)
No 2 peoples expenses will be the same.
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Lol at mick
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It's easier to triangalise your sandwiches with Hovis.
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small and pert any day.