Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: mufcglen on August 17, 2014, 12:47:56 pm
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seen these heaters and thinking about ordering one but not sure with it coming from hong kong and taxes etc?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NEW-8L-HOT-WATER-HEATER-GAS-LPG-PROPANE-TANKLESS-INSTANT-BOILER-STAINLESS-/161069394262?pt=UK_Home_Garden_Hearing_Cooling_Air&hash=item25807be956 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NEW-8L-HOT-WATER-HEATER-GAS-LPG-PROPANE-TANKLESS-INSTANT-BOILER-STAINLESS-/161069394262?pt=UK_Home_Garden_Hearing_Cooling_Air&hash=item25807be956)
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Would you trust buying an item that runs on gas from an unknown company in Hong Kong ( China )
Does it pass British or European safety standards.
When it comes to hot water heaters I would stick to a local supplier.
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i agree pal but arent the suppliers in uk just getting these units, they look identical but companies just call them something else?
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A local supplier that has quite simply ordered from.... Er..... hong kong
All these boilers are Chinese made, l5, l8 etc...
The pic shows it's ce marked so unless they are blatantly lying ( and that possible ) you could assume it's upto the correct standard
The main problem with buying direct rather than local uk based is if it is faulty you have done your dough.
Risk and reward and all that
Darran
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yeah theres the warranty problem with returns etc but its half the price of any window cleaning shop ive seen!
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i agree pal but arent the suppliers in uk just getting these units, they look identical but companies just call them something else?
Yes but the local dealer would be responsible if the worst should happen, plus you would be getting a legally binding
guarantee.
If the worst should happen and your insurance refused to pay out because of a faulty inferior boiler then you could at
least get your losses back from the local supplier.
Don't think you would stand a chance with some unknown Chinese company selling on fleebay.
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I'd imagine a shop who sold it you would wriggle out of it somehow any way if the van happen to set on fire ie should have been installed by a gas man etc so you'd have to factor in cost of fitting by a gas man too!!!
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I'd imagine a shop who sold it you would wriggle out of it somehow any way if the van happen to set on fire ie should have been installed by a gas man etc so you'd have to factor in cost of fitting by a gas man too!!!
To be honest if I was to find that a hot water system was a benefit to my business then that's the only way I would go.
A system bought a fitted by a qualified gas engineer.
Nothing to do with not being able to fit one myself but keeping myself right legally.
Iv witnessed a gas bottle go up on the back of a work lorry, it belonged to the firm I used to work for.
Luckily no one was injured but the lorry was ruined and a nearby property was damaged.
The insurance assessors went over the matter with a fine tooth comb and luckily for the owner everything was above board.
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i agree pal i'll probably just plumb it in myself,theyre quite simple to do.
has anyone ever ordered from hong kong though not just heaters but poles etc as theres tax isnt there when the item arrives here, it says 5-8 days postage, sure i ordered something from china years ago and it took weeks and weeks!
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I think Dazmond bought one last year for around the £160 mark from a local supplier.
Cant tell you what the import charges will be from China but I bought a few items from America last year
and the charges were horrendous.
Sickening especially when the majority off it went to the EU.
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I bought one of them,they varie from 80 to130 quid,mines was 80 quid,make them an offer,they are good heaters.
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mines only took a couple of days,go for it mate.
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cheers Sean you got me worried now lol and i just put an offer of £80 in, there was a local brand new l5 heater local to me that just ended for £140, no way im paying that and i like the look of these stainless ones better with a proper flue and they do abit more litres per minute not that i'll probably use that much i think!
ive never had checked to see how many litres i use a min but lately ive turned my flow down from 45-50 to 30 and its still doing just a good job but saving loads of water.
i'll let you guys know how i get on with my bid!
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The higher lpm boilers can sometimes have trouble with the low flow of WFP.
Nat jone looked at importing a bulk load a few years ago so all on this forum could buy cheaper so best to ask him.
A few years back I brought led lighting for my marine tank, these units were £800 plus each here through a uk company I got the same units at £120 per unit (3 off) they arrived in 4 days and paid £38 import duty
Brilliant items lasted over two years until I broke the tank down.
Darran
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I ordered a Rubiks Cube from Hong Kong once! It took 3 months to turn as I remember ! I don't suppose that helps you though!
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get them from the seller based in portsmouth, on ebay, for the heater that you want
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i agree pal but arent the suppliers in uk just getting these units, they look identical but companies just call them something else?
Yes but the local dealer would be responsible if the worst should happen, plus you would be getting a legally binding
guarantee.
If the worst should happen and your insurance refused to pay out because of a faulty inferior boiler then you could at
least get your losses back from the local supplier.
Don't think you would stand a chance with some unknown Chinese company selling on fleebay.
Do you really think a local window cleaning suppliers would help you out ? buy you a new van and kit ?
if you do, then you really should not be allowed out of the house
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Do you really think a local window cleaning suppliers would help you out ? buy you a new van and kit ?
if you do, then you really should not be allowed out of the house
They might not do it to "help you out" but if they sold an illegal or dangerous boiler you'd be able to sue for the resulting damages. Basic tort law.
Vin
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get them from the seller based in portsmouth, on ebay, for the heater that you want
Hi bob any links to the seller in Portsmouth as all I can find is sellers in Hong Kong for the stainless heater?
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Do you really think a local window cleaning suppliers would help you out ? buy you a new van and kit ?
if you do, then you really should not be allowed out of the house
They might not do it to "help you out" but if they sold an illegal or dangerous boiler you'd be able to sue for the resulting damages. Basic tort law.
Vin
They would show they did a basic test and the unit was fine when they sold it
Do Not kid yourself that you would have some follow up
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Do you really think a local window cleaning suppliers would help you out ? buy you a new van and kit ?
if you do, then you really should not be allowed out of the house
They might not do it to "help you out" but if they sold an illegal or dangerous boiler you'd be able to sue for the resulting damages. Basic tort law.
Vin
They would show they did a basic test and the unit was fine when they sold it
Do Not kid yourself that you would have some follow up
They can tell you what they want and then tell the judge the same but the fact is if they have sole you an illegal
or dangerous boiler then they are liable.
We are talking about what would happen in the event of an accident caused by the boiler, not about trying to get your money back if it doesn't work.
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Do you really think a local window cleaning suppliers would help you out ? buy you a new van and kit ?
if you do, then you really should not be allowed out of the house
They might not do it to "help you out" but if they sold an illegal or dangerous boiler you'd be able to sue for the resulting damages. Basic tort law.
Vin
They would show they did a basic test and the unit was fine when they sold it
Do Not kid yourself that you would have some follow up
Remember the context of the thread, namely buying from Hong Kong.
If you bought a faulty boiler today and it blew a hole in the side of your van tomorrow, would you have more chance of suing someone for the damages if they were based in (a) Hong Kong or (b) Britain?
If you think they are the same, "then you really should not be allowed out of the house".
Vin
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I ordered one heater from Spain.
She's great.
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I've used quite a few different heaters & I'm convinced the majority of them came out of the same factory in china. They're as far from precision engineering as you can get - cobbled together from low quality parts and "self certified" with a CE mark which means absolutely nothing.
That said - they're cheap and they do the job,.. for instant heat they're the most practical solution.
If i was setting up a new system, I wouldn't be buying another gas heater though - - insurance is getting stricter about this kind of thing, and there is always a small chance of fire (Lets face it - very few of you will get a professional gas fitter to install it),.. so I'd personally go down the route of insulating my tank & installing an immersion heater.
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I ordered one heater from Spain.
She's great.
Fantastic!
Vin
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hi Nathanael we can let them argue about the legal side of things lol, i was thinking about going down the immersion route after seeing mark m youtube diy element he put in and then making some sort of a cover for the tank but i'd like the hot water for first cleans fascias etc from what ive read with it helping to make the job easier, £91 is the cheapest ive been offered for an hong kong stainless special.
can anyone beat this?
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Do you really think a local window cleaning suppliers would help you out ? buy you a new van and kit ?
if you do, then you really should not be allowed out of the house
They might not do it to "help you out" but if they sold an illegal or dangerous boiler you'd be able to sue for the resulting damages. Basic tort law.
Vin
They would show they did a basic test and the unit was fine when they sold it
Do Not kid yourself that you would have some follow up
Remember the context of the thread, namely buying from Hong Kong.
If you bought a faulty boiler today and it blew a hole in the side of your van tomorrow, would you have more chance of suing someone for the damages if they were based in (a) Hong Kong or (b) Britain?
If you think they are the same, "then you really should not be allowed out of the house".
Vin
So you will sue someone for damages ?
yes you will stand more chance of a company in Britain, but it will still be a very small chance of success, they will say it was tested and worked fine when sold, end of case
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I buy a bit in from Hong Kong, although not heaters, but you can bet that if they're selling direct to the UK they, or their supplier is filling containers and selling to wholesalers here anyway, so if its CE marked or similar I don't see a problem.
Before you buy check their feedback, and see how they have dealt with any faulty units and returns, import duty is a pain in the harris if you get clobbered for it, but (I didn't say this), most Hong Kong sellers undervalue stuff on customs forms, I just ordered in some RC car kits for resale, in the UK they retail at £399, wholesale at £312 with the VAT, and were advertised at £200 with free shipping, I ordered them in separately, and they arrived separately, all were declared at $50 US value, so nothing to pay there.
If the deal goes t1ts up and the unit is under 2kg, chuck it back to them airmail signed for at around 20 quid, take that bit of it on the nose and get most of your money back, you can't really lose.
As for if the unit went bang, if you purchase UK supplied kit and it went bang then legal responsibility goes back to the importer, if they don't decide to go bust or change names, as plenty do regularly, the disclaimer is in the text on the listing "should be installed by professional gasman", if you aren't corgi (or whatever they call it these days) registered, and you're fitting it yourself, then there is no claim, whether the unit was supplied by a UK based company, or imported.
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I always find it strange that the same guys who preach about the safety advantages of WFP over ladder work
turn a blind eye when it comes to DIY fitted gas boilers in vans.
The (it only needs to happen once argument) seems to go out the window when it suits.
To hell with safety and legal aspects as long as I can set it up a cheaply as possible.
The sensible solution would be to have one fitted by a professional supplier (there are plenty about) and not worry
about the costs.
Surly anyone thinking of getting a hot water set-up would have worked out the what extra financial benefit would be to their business and would want to do as much as possible to keep themselves as legal as possible.
We could argue all day on getting a claim for damages, yes the supplier could go belly up and get out of paying.
But he would still be legally responsible of any third party damage and any criminal charges would be brought against
him instead of you.