Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: H20cleaning on August 14, 2014, 08:12:49 pm
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So today whilst driving down the dual carriage way my van tried to cut out and was running lumpy now and again, if i let off the revs are a round about then it stalled and wouldnt start again.
So clearly it hadn't run out if fuel the other day when the AA man said it had.
Today we checked the fuel filter (wich was rather black) tried changing it but we had the wrong one, so need to try the correct one tomorrow.
There is plenty of fuel pumping through the system and when we turn the key we can here the fuel pump kick in.
There is fuel been fed to the injectors( but i was told if an injector fails it wouldnt stall the van it would run lumpy)
Any other ideas of what it could be? The battery etc is all fine, and once running the majority of the time it drives spot on with no noises or warning lights.
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Checked your turbo lines again?
I don't actually know what that means or how to do it but that was the problem in my Trafic (albeit the 2.5)
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But the van sometimes doesnt start so wouldnt that rule out any turbo problems?
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But the van sometimes doesnt start so wouldnt that rule out any turbo problems?
No mate, that was exactly my issue.
Wouldn't wanna start-especially when cold.
Colder the morning-the harder to start.
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Take it to a garage?
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Change the fuel filter and then see what happens. Don't worry about it until you have done it.
I make a point of replacing the fuel filter every second service (every 2 years) even although the fuel filter has only been in the van for 7k.
I also change the airfilter every 3 years regardless of it's condition.
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I make a point of replacing the fuel filter every second service (every 2 years) even although the fuel filter has only been in the van for 7k.
I also change the airfilter every 3 years regardless of it's condition.
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I also change the the oil and filter every 7-8k regardless of what the manual's recommend. .. it really is worth doing!
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I make a point of replacing the fuel filter every second service (every 2 years) even although the fuel filter has only been in the van for 7k.
I also change the airfilter every 3 years regardless of it's condition.
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I also change the the oil and filter every 7-8k regardless of what the manual's recommend. .. it really is worth doing!
I'm glad someone else also agrees. :)
It seems that the local garages never bother with these filters for some reason. Maybe it makes the cost of the service lower which makes them look better in the customer's perception, who knows.
I've also seen replacement filters charged for but not changed. Most owners will spot if the spin on oil filter hasn't been changed at a service, but most of us wouldn't check a fuel filter and/or airfilter.
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It seems that the local garages never bother with these filters for some reason. Maybe it makes the cost of the service lower which makes them look better in the customer's perception, who knows.
I've also seen replacement filters charged for but not changed. Most owners will spot if the spin on oil filter hasn't been changed at a service, but most of us wouldn't check a fuel filter and/or airfilter.
I agree bet there's a lot out there who say they have changed them but i bet they haven't! I certainly no they don't put enough oil in they just put enough in from past experience just to get the oil light off lol
You may as well just do it your self its fairly simple job to change the oil and filter/fuel etc etc
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The fuel filter hasnt been changed for at least 20 thousand miles!
I have owned the van and never had one put on( because im clueless)
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I didn't really read the thread properly, but you could unplug your maf sensor and see if it makes any difference.
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Took it to a specialist diesel garage and he said straight away yep it will be an injector problem, i have one in already for the same thing.
The worst news was the fact he cant do anything until tuesday, wich now means i cant work at all until its fixed... And tbh i dont even tthink i have that kind of cash to fix it!
Is there an easy was to way to make a temporary trolly system? Then i could lend my dads Spare car!
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Took it to a specialist diesel garage and he said straight away yep it will be an injector problem, i have one in already for the same thing.
The worst news was the fact he cant do anything until tuesday, wich now means i cant work at all until its fixed... And tbh i dont even tthink i have that kind of cash to fix it!
Is there an easy was to way to make a temporary trolly system? Then i could lend my dads Spare car!
Have they run a diagnostics check on it to tell you exactly what's wrong with it? What is he doing, replacing 1 injector? How much have they quoted? Replacing an injector isn't that hard (as long as its not seized, then you could be in the poo), you just have to have it recoded
Danny
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What car has your dad got?
Take your pump, controller, battery out the van and put the pump & controller on a board to mount it
Put as many 25 litre barrels of pure that the car can take without killing it
The inlet to the pump goes into the barrels (if you split it you can draw from 2)
Then use your hose reel as normal after the pump
Quick bodge job for a car mount, but keeps you working if cant afford to fix your van
Either that or trad your work
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had the same problems with my old vivaro, loss of power etc, I changed the air flow meter and crankshaft sensor and fuel filter and it was fine.
If I was you I would change the fuel filter first then open the old one up, If you have metal filings in there then your fuel pump is on the way out. (common problem with those pumps) If there is metal in your filter all your injectors will need replacing as well as pump, cheaper to get another engine or another van.
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We had injectors affected on our maxus a year or two ago, we manged to get refurbished ones fitted for a fraction of the price of new ones, in case this might be an option for you to help keep your cost down a bit - or look on ebay to see if you can find some and ask your local mechanic the price to fit them? Just some other options?
Mrs Smudger
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Its already had injector one replaced a few years ago, so that could
Means its another one of the injectors.
He deals with traffics and vivaro small the time and he was almost 100%sure it was an injector, but he said he will run some checks and give me a call with the bad news.
How much should i be expecting for a injector removed fitted etc? I know the parts usually £180 ish...
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My dads made me a trolly mount today just need some barrels asap!!!
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Sets on Fleabay mate, singles too. (injectors)
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Sets on Fleabay mate, singles too. (injectors)
The Renault specialist maltech is going to give me the good or bad news... If it is an injector would you suggest buying my own injectors and letting him for them?
How much should i be expecting if its just one injector with labor etc
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Sets on Fleabay mate, singles too. (injectors)
The Renault specialist maltech is going to give me the good or bad news... If it is an injector would you suggest buying my own injectors and letting him for them?
How much should i be expecting if its just one injector with labor etc
the injectors will be seized into the head, good luck getting them out
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Change the fuel filter and then see what happens. Don't worry about it until you have done it.
I make a point of replacing the fuel filter every second service (every 2 years) even although the fuel filter has only been in the van for 7k.
I also change the airfilter every 3 years regardless of it's condition.
Spruce, anything we can do to lessen the chance of injectors seizing? Would hate a huge bill like that, if it could be avoided.
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The injector seize because of a poorly designed weather strip that is not up to the job, it allows water to make it was in to the head and the injectors are lower than the top of the head so the water has nowhere to go other than down the side if the injectors.
Chances are your injectors will already be seized, but if you look on the vivaro forum I think the guys in there have suggestions on modifying the weather strip to stop future water ingress.
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I would be very unlucky if all have broke together, the mechanic thinks 1 mayby 2 at most! 1 has already been replaced previously.
These vans have always had injector faults.
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It's a working part, all makes have injectors go at some point, I understand fords are the worst in terms of replacement as they cost £400 + each ( so I've been told ) that's the main reason for transits and other ford diesels being scrapped off.
As mrs smudger said, the maxus has serviceable bosh injectors, 2 were naff but reconditioned all 4 at £80 each (including the test) plus around £100 from the garage for removal and refitting
Darran
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It's a working part, all makes have injectors go at some point, I understand fords are the worst in terms of replacement as they cost £400 + each ( so I've been told ) that's the main reason for transits and other ford diesels being scrapped off.
As mrs smudger said, the maxus has serviceable bosh injectors, 2 were naff but reconditioned all 4 at £80 each (including the test) plus around £100 from the garage for removal and refitting
Darran
You can get replacement injectors for ford for roughly £150 each new, but that is direct from diesel specialist rather than from fords.
The injectors are not made by the vehicle manufacture, they will usually be Delphi, Siemens, Bosch or Denso.
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Change the fuel filter and then see what happens. Don't worry about it until you have done it.
I make a point of replacing the fuel filter every second service (every 2 years) even although the fuel filter has only been in the van for 7k.
I also change the airfilter every 3 years regardless of it's condition.
Spruce, anything we can do to lessen the chance of injectors seizing? Would hate a huge bill like that, if it could be avoided.
Hi Cozy,
Unfortunately no, there isn't anything you can do. Its a common problem across all makes and manufacturers, so it isn't just a Renault thing.
Lee has hinted at a cause, but as the problem is industry wide, there must also be other factors as well. Cylinder heads are made of alloy these days as it is much lighter that the old cast iron heads of yesteryear. The injector housings are steel and these two metals aren't good bed fellows. (Ask any Landrover owner.) Add heat and electric current to them and the 'chemical' reaction or corrosion between them is accelerated. (This issue of seized injectors has become more common with the new common rail diesel engines because of electric current used in the injector's operation and 'earthed' through the cylinder head.)
Whilst injector issues can happen at any point in a vehicle's life, the higher the mileage the more chance there is of issues with corrosion and seized components (glowplugs are also prone to seizure.)
This is one of the reasons why I would always advise to go for lower mileage second hand vehicles. Obviously as far as wear and tear are concerned a van that has done a lot of motorway miles is much better, but in instances such as these, it isn't always true.
The trouble is Cozy, emission standards (Euro 4, 5 and now 6 shortly) have meant some very complicated engine development has taken place which has made the basic diesel engine of 15 years ago very expensive to repair when things go wrong. How many common rail van's are listed on ebay at the moment for spares or repair which aren't body related faults?
A fellow windie had an 03 plate Merc Vito with 130m on the clock when one of his injectors failed. They broke it trying to get it out. In his case they were able to remove the cylinder head and they sent it away to a specialist. This specialist chap heats the head up very slowly to a temperature where the injector just drops out, but has the let it cool very slowly (over a couple of days) so the head doesn't warp. His bill was nearly 2k and he was without a van for 2 weeks.
He chose to repair it - I would have scrapped the van and put the money toward another van TBH. And this is what things have come to. Only you can make the decision on what to do at the time. If you started worrying about all the things that could go wrong and the cost to rectify them you will give yourself an ulcer.
For anyone in the UK AP Auto Diagnostics have a better clue than most dealer workshops have with regard to seized injectors.
http://www.apautodiagnostics.com/injector-removal-service
They aren't cheap but then the cost of removing that Vito injector was much more than 2k when you consider the amount of lost income whilst they messed on getting that injector out.
I would also be very cautious about buying replacement injectors cheap on ebay. As Lee says, good injectors are made by companies such as Delphi, Siemens, Bosch or Denso.
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I told the Renault specialist to buy brand new bosche injector as i plan to keep my van for another year or 2.
Fortunatly i had a few hundered quid saved for a rainy day so im not to worried, also i have family who have savings so they could help as a last resort if needed.
It wont be long before im back happy working away in the sunshine :)
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I can't help wondering when we will see petrol engines making a come back in vans due to the knock on effect of all these Euro emission standards.
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I can't help wondering when we will see petrol engines making a come back in vans due to the knock on effect of all these Euro emission standards.
Quite likely! Especially now that petrol engines are catching up on diesel for economy... And performance is better
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I can't help wondering when we will see petrol engines making a come back in vans due to the knock on effect of all these Euro emission standards.
Quite likely! Especially now that petrol engines are catching up on diesel for economy... And performance is better
Performance isn't always better bud.
Depends on the car.
The petrol version of my car is pony.
Mate if mine has just got a 'Black Edition' TFSI A5.
It's got literally all the extras except-it's the 2.0 petrol engine.
Compared to the 57 A4 TDI before-the performance is woeful.
Mine ain't fast, but ain't slow. My last 2 cars have been diesel.
I think the only petrol I'd buy in the future would be an RS6.
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I can't help wondering when we will see petrol engines making a come back in vans due to the knock on effect of all these Euro emission standards.
Quite likely! Especially now that petrol engines are catching up on diesel for economy... And performance is better
Performance isn't always better bud.
Depends on the car.
The petrol version of my car is pony.
Mate if mine has just got a 'Black Edition' TFSI A5.
It's got literally all the extras except-it's the 2.0 petrol engine.
Compared to the 57 A4 TDI before-the performance is woeful.
Mine ain't fast, but ain't slow. My last 2 cars have been diesel.
I think the only petrol I'd buy in the future would be an RS6.
I didnt mean performance in speed, as my mums has the bmw 335 and that beats the majorit of petrol cars.
I meant like the quiter engines and smoother ride( even though diesels are better now)
But the new bmw petrol engines can get upto 60mpg! Wich is unheard of for petrolatum usually.
My brother was looking at the rs6 before but preferred the c63 amg... And then the M4 came out so january hes getting one of them haha
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I can't help wondering when we will see petrol engines making a come back in vans due to the knock on effect of all these Euro emission standards.
Quite likely! Especially now that petrol engines are catching up on diesel for economy... And performance is better
Performance isn't always better bud.
Depends on the car.
The petrol version of my car is pony.
Mate if mine has just got a 'Black Edition' TFSI A5.
It's got literally all the extras except-it's the 2.0 petrol engine.
Compared to the 57 A4 TDI before-the performance is woeful.
Mine ain't fast, but ain't slow. My last 2 cars have been diesel.
I think the only petrol I'd buy in the future would be an RS6.
You're right. The petrol engine will never have the torque that the equivalent turbo diesel engine has.
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Hey, I'm amazed your fannying about with an old van, regardless of what and how long you expect it to last, or indeed your young business
From your posts and with the cars yours the family own or drive, there seems to be money about, or at least incomes to support these cars. But then it ain't for me to judge.
What I would say is a new one at 11k or £230 per month is a business asset. One that over time will be an old van just like the one your throwing money at. The only difference is you will know every mile that has been recorded.
Tony
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Hey, I'm amazed your fannying about with an old van, regardless of what and how long you expect it to last, or indeed your young business
From your posts and with the cars yours the family own or drive, there seems to be money about, or at least incomes to support these cars. But then it ain't for me to judge.
What I would say is a new one at 11k or £230 per month is a business asset. One that over time will be an old van just like the one your throwing money at. The only difference is you will know every mile that has been recorded.
Tony
Im 22 year old and probs dont have the credit history to be buying vans on lease etc.
My family have very good jobs, but i didnt become self employed to rely on them.
I want to make something on my own with no debt (wich i have done so far) and i will carry on to do so until im in a position to buy luxary new vehicles.
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Im 22 year old and probs dont have the credit history to be buying vans on lease etc.
My family have very good jobs, but i didnt become self employed to rely on them.
I want to make something on my own with no debt (wich i have done so far) and i will carry on to do so until im in a position to buy luxary new vehicles.
its fairly easy to get a van on finance as long as you have not had bad credit before? because if you dont pay they will just tow it away.. its different than a loan. i had one on finance at the age of 19 for window cleaning.. your 22? so what!!!!
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Van repair update.
The mechanic said he checked all injectors all look quite new and good condition.
In the end it was a fuel rail not supplying enough fuel so he changed that with a reconditioned one and cost £150 all in! He even said my vans mint for its age.
Buzzing
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Van repair update.
The mechanic said he checked all injectors all look quite new and good condition.
How can he see if they are in good condition?
In the end it was a fuel rail not supplying enough fuel so he changed that with a reconditioned one and cost £150 all in! He even said my vans mint for its age.
Buzzing
If they could check them that easily then the expensive injector testers (as Bosch Service Centers have) wouldn't be necessary.
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Van repair update.
The mechanic said he checked all injectors all look quite new and good condition.
How can he see if they are in good condition?
In the end it was a fuel rail not supplying enough fuel so he changed that with a reconditioned one and cost £150 all in! He even said my vans mint for its age.
Buzzing
If they could check them that easily then the expensive injector testers (as Bosch Service Centers have) wouldn't be necessary.
He checked all the wires etc, then he said they was no pump back or something from each injector.
He is a specialist dealing in renaults... So i would suggest he knows a lot more than the average mechanic, also when i asked "if a injector was to fail how much would it cost" he replied " trust me them injectors have already been replaced at some point, you wont need to do then again any time soon"
He could of had my eyes out so i trust his opinion
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Van repair update.
The mechanic said he checked all injectors all look quite new and good condition.
How can he see if they are in good condition?
In the end it was a fuel rail not supplying enough fuel so he changed that with a reconditioned one and cost £150 all in! He even said my vans mint for its age.
Buzzing
If they could check them that easily then the expensive injector testers (as Bosch Service Centers have) wouldn't be necessary.
He checked all the wires etc, then he said they was no pump back or something from each injector.
He is a specialist dealing in renaults... So i would suggest he knows a lot more than the average mechanic, also when i asked "if a injector was to fail how much would it cost" he replied " trust me them injectors have already been replaced at some point, you wont need to do then again any time soon"
He could of had my eyes out so i trust his opinion
fair enough