Clean It Up
UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Carpet Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Ian Gourlay on August 11, 2014, 02:57:06 pm
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How can you tell without having one if they are any good. Is there power to look for etc
Prices can vary from £3 to £20 plus
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Don't waste your money at those prices Ian.
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Russ Chadd was selling them some time ago
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John is absolutely correct. The old adage - you get what you pay for. £20 plus - and I stress 'PLUS', before you get anything which is worth having
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Many years ago I bought one from a car boot sale, it was still in its plastic holder I gave it to the missus to check for dodgy £20 notes and then one of the kids took it school when they have to take torches in and she lost it which was the best thing for it! Buy cheap buy twice!!
Shaun
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Just contact Russ Chadd - he does the kits and only uses top quality gear. I, like others haven't looked back since investing in one - paid for itself instantly on the first detection job using it.
http://www.prosteamuk.com/contact/
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Thanks Kev what a fantastic Web site he has . I do recall that Rus did a vid in a travel lodge i think with one
I think I will probably go for a mains one
Has Russ stopped coming here ? I think i saw him posting on Cleantalk when I had a look the other day.?
But what I really want to know is how you compare performance Bit like truckmount versus portable versus serial versus parallel versus pump pressure etc etc
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Don't waste your money at those prices Ian.
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Ian, this one is more than adequate for detecting urine;
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Portable-UltraFire-WF-501B-UV375NM-LED-Ultraviol-Light-Flashlight-Torch-Black-UK-/371082462879?pt=UK_SportsLeisure_Camping_LightsLanternsTorches&hash=item56663d069f
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I have been lurking in the back ground!
I have a few in stock if you want one :-)
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Ian
Why does it have to be a torch? how about something like to old cable ones you used to get for working on your car with a block bulb in it?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAP7nV6yOB0
Respects
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Thanks Ian It does not have to be a torch , but I did remember Russ did a travel lodge Video which I cannot find. But what I was trying to establish was the difference between the different onces that are available.and how dark you would need to get the room.
If I did buy somthing I think as you have pointed out it would be mains and cable as logic tells me it would be more powerful.
Although I do not think I would take it out Ive just remembered I have an UV lamp in the loft I used to use to treat Acne is this the same UV it gives a blue light?
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I bought one about a year ago, still not used it on a job.
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Craig P, the torch you recommended, how do you know if you haven't used it?
Ian, this one is more than adequate for detecting urine;
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Portable-UltraFire-WF-501B-UV375NM-LED-Ultraviol-Light-Flashlight-Torch-Black-UK-/371082462879?pt=UK_SportsLeisure_Camping_LightsLanternsTorches&hash=item56663d069f
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Here is a proper torch in action
http://youtu.be/G-aVXP5W4_k
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Craig P, the torch you recommended, how do you know if you haven't used it?
Ian, this one is more than adequate for detecting urine;
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Portable-UltraFire-WF-501B-UV375NM-LED-Ultraviol-Light-Flashlight-Torch-Black-UK-/371082462879?pt=UK_SportsLeisure_Camping_LightsLanternsTorches&hash=item56663d069f
As I said *not used it on a JOB.* that's not the same as not used it.
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Glad about that Craig, coz I've bought one as you recommended it Lol.
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Maybe there are a few points being missed here that mean leaving money on the table in an effort to be a cheapskate.
I don't own one of Russ' torches but he has obviously taken the time and trouble to source parts to retrofit into what may look like something else you can buy on bay for not much. Anyone in the know will realise even the brand of battery makes a huge difference to output, longevity AND price.
The main benefit though in my mind is even on a brightish day you will find the faintest contamination and that means money in your pocket. You can get a cheap one go round when its dark and close all the curtains and think youve saved a bob or two but you still will miss out.
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I agree, if it's something you will use often and is an essential bit of kit you should always buy the best you can afford.
If however, another carpet cleaner says that something's worth having or taking a look at and it's cheap, then why not have a punt. If you use it, buy a better one instead of having another bit of unused kit in the lock up.
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I agree, if it's something you will use often and is an essential bit of kit you should always buy the best you can afford.
If however, another carpet cleaner says that something's worth having or taking a look at and it's cheap, then why not have a punt. If you use it, buy a better one instead of having another bit of unused kit in the lock up.
This sounds logical but really its buy cheap pay twice. The fact you can wave it around through the day ON EVERY job means it will pay for itself in no time. Don't just use it when called in for wee. Just my way of thinking.
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Also its not just wee shows up. ;) LOL
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Gary, ok, I got some bad news, you'll need a couple more things; a battery and charger;
select 'charger plus 3800AMH x2'
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/18650-3-7V-3000mAh-5300mAh-Rechargeable-Battery-For-Touch-Flashlight-UK-/251475064468?pt=UK_MP3_Players_Accessories_Cases_Covers_Skins&var=&hash=item3a8d14f694
and seeing as your have a battery left over, if I were you I'd get an ordinary Ultrafire torch, as you won't believe how bright the non UV ones are. and you can get them direct from china for a fiver.
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For the money these are fantastic, forget Maglite, these blow them away;
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/UltraFire-Cree-LED-1800LM-XM-L-T6-Flashlight-Torch-Zoom-Lamp-18650-Tactical-3A-/111439431773?pt=UK_SportsLeisure_Camping_LightsLanternsTorches&hash=item19f24ec85d
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Cheap torches are a bit like cheap carpet cleaners...
The kits I construct are not ready made, I have chosen the best LED, torch,batteries,charger etc... Done loads of research on wavelength frequencies.
That's why people buy them... Because they are "tuned" for the job.
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So how much are yours Russ?
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Hello Gary
I sell my kits including delivery for £128... Trust me there is no way a £10 UV torch from eBay can compare...
Everyone who has bought one from me has been very satisfied, being able to detect urine will have the customers reaching for their wallets... Trust me
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Hi Russ,
What exactly do you get in your kit mate?
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X1 Torch with a specific UV LED for urine detection
X2 high capacity lithium batteries
X1 Duel Chanel, duel voltage charger complete with car charger
X1 torch pouch
X1 pair of UV goggles and case
Watch my videos featuring the torch...
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My latest video... Sorry for the poor quality unfortunately the camera doesn't quite see what the human eye sees in low light
http://youtu.be/ddcp7g16Lw8
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Thats what I wanted to know but how does light output vary between that and cheaper ones
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Maybe if Gary has bought both he can do a side by side review.
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As someone who bought one of Russ's torches a couple of years ago (droppped off by Russ at a TACCA day), I'd suggest not "investing" in a cheap ebay knock off. Your money, your choice, but Russ's torch really does what is claimed.
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Knock off!!!!???
It's the same ultrafire torch!
Ultrafire is Chinese, http://www.ultrafire.net/products.asp?enBigClassName=Flashlight&EnSmallClassName=C%20Series
Look at the address, the ones on ebay come direct from Hong Kong, for a fiver, free post.
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It's the same ultra fire torch... Lol
The torch case is just that... A case.. It's what you fit in it that counts.
Go for it Craig what have you got to lose... I'm sure that torch is worth every penny
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I got 4 Russ ;D
They are great torches for many purposes.
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I've only got one Craigp. Funny, never really found a use for more than one. As Russ posts, the wrapper can be the same on the outside, but's it's what you've got on the inside that matters.
I once bought a brand new BS36 off Fleabay. Looked great on the outside, lasted about three months before things started falling off it. Never again ta very much.
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Craig is this the one your on about.
http://youtu.be/aIp4rdHuODI
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Craig is this the one your on about.
http://youtu.be/aIp4rdHuODI
Looks good like for 5 dollars
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Craig is this the one your on about.
http://youtu.be/aIp4rdHuODI
That one looks great for the money.
But this one is the exact one I have, does it look familiar Adrian Marsh?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zyq_-q3R5FE
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Yep that one is similar Craig.
Think I got about 4 or 5 uv torches now collected over the years.
The one I use now came out about 2 years ago it's the same as that one in your vid Craig but has a bit more power( 5w) , it's the same one Russ showed me at the tacca show year before last, I did not want to tell him mine only cost a tenner :-X
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No it doesn't Craigp ;D
But if you're happy with your knock off and convinced it does the job why are you so defensive?
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Paul, with all respect mate the one which cost you a tenner is completely different to the one I construct.
That's why it cost you a tenner lol ;D
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better are those with wavelengths 365-375nm, from what I can read on internet
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Torch and batteries arrived and tested the torch off Ebay today in an empty property where the previous owner had a dog.
After all the comments on how about how ineffective it was going to be I wasnt expecting very much but it exceeded all my expectations and Im very pleased with my purchase. It showed up all the pools and loads of other stuff too. The customer was impressed and so was I.
There may well be much better torches available but for £20 all in, Im happy.
No offence to anyone.
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Which on ebay is that
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Torch and batteries arrived and tested the torch off Ebay today in an empty property where the previous owner had a dog.
After all the comments on how about how ineffective it was going to be I wasnt expecting very much but it exceeded all my expectations and Im very pleased with my purchase. It showed up all the pools and loads of other stuff too. The customer was impressed and so was I.
There may well be much better torches available but for £20 all in, Im happy.
No offence to anyone.
Good to hear Gary, like I said its more than adequate. ;)
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Radek, Craig P put the link up earlier in this thread.
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Radek, Craig P put the link up earlier in this thread.
thanks
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the thing is that for our work it is not the best wavelenght
what about? : http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ultrafire-G60-3w-UV-Ultraviolet-365nm-LED-Flashlight-Torch-/150985224675?pt=UK_SportsLeisure_Camping_LightsLanternsTorches&hash=item23276bb1e3#shpCntId
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Torch and batteries arrived and tested the torch off Ebay today in an empty property where the previous owner had a dog.
After all the comments on how about how ineffective it was going to be I wasnt expecting very much but it exceeded all my expectations and Im very pleased with my purchase. It showed up all the pools and loads of other stuff too. The customer was impressed and so was I.
There may well be much better torches available but for £20 all in, Im happy.
No offence to anyone.
Did you have to draw all the curtains etc
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the thing is that for our work it is not the best wavelenght
what about? : http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ultrafire-G60-3w-UV-Ultraviolet-365nm-LED-Flashlight-Torch-/150985224675?pt=UK_SportsLeisure_Camping_LightsLanternsTorches&hash=item23276bb1e3#shpCntId
That's a3w torch, the new 5 w are more powerfull, you don't need yellow glasses for them, and only a little dearer ;)
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Poul, do not mean that, the thing is everyone is buying the torches with 395nm wavelengh when for our job around 370nm is better for urine and other liquids. Anyway from what i can read on internet.
Possible is that 3w torch with 370nm will be better then 5w with 395nm uv light.
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Curtains were closed when using yes.
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So basically you chaps are walking around in the dark with the curtains closed, with weird looking glasses on, weighing up which make of torch is the best one to use to spot a load of dog urine?
Is this topic a wind up?
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Yes
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Absolutely ;D Bet you fell for it aswell din't you Jen?
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I was beginning to wonder how iv managed without one....
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Sorry but comparing these cheap torches found on eBay to the ones I build is like comparing a cheap splash and dash service with a more expensive better quality service... Both appear to do the same thing to people who don't know any better lol
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Just make video showing what you are talking about. Till now I only seen your video and the video of the cheap one and wasnt worse.
Make a video showing yours and cheap one in one the same room.
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I have made a video comparing a cheap £20 torch and mine, it was made ages ago when I first started building them.
http://youtu.be/fYSeQm8EoSE
No doubt you would want to see me comparing the 20+ cheap ones on eBay right now... That's not going to happen I'm afraid!!
Like I said before... The LED modules I use cost more than the torches :-)
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yep i wish to see the ultrafire :)
comparing any better one not the urine finder would give you more "customers"
if you want people to buy then you need to prove is worth the 100
thanks any way
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I'm not going to waste my time Radek, if you think that's the torch for you buy it mate
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Russ, with all respect, you love to "waste your time" making videos, so it should not be a problem, problem would be buying another torch what I could understand then.
Would love to buy your stuff but can't spend extra 100 for nothing, for a bit better performance if any.
Thanks
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No Radak what I meant was i could make the most entertaining video demonstrating a handful of cheaper alternatives to my torch... But I would be wasting my time because you and a handful of others on here are not looking to buy it all the time you can source one for a tenner.
I have sold nearly 40 torches and have never had a return or any complaints, in fact Billy Russell called me the other day to tell me his torch had potentially earned him a very tidy sum for the detection and removal of urine in a very large house.
I would encourage you to buy from eBay if your budget is limited, my torches are not for everyone.
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£2500 + Vat to be precise Russ ;D
Great torch, well worth the money, imho
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You bloody tell em Billy ;D Their loss.
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That's not really proof that you need the £100+ torch though. The cheaper torch could have detected it, its the sales skills that got the price not the torch.
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I think Russ has demonstrated the difference
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You are right Dawg, a £20 torch would probably work but you would have to close all the curtains, turn off all the lights and work closer to the carpet.
Bit like comparing an Aquarius Pro valet with let's say an Alltec express... Both do the same job but one just does it better due to the design and the components used...
I have experimented with alternative components and the quality just isn't good, contact springs breaking off the back of the LED module, batteries refusing to charge, chargers not charging batteries, poor quality reflectors resulting in a poor beam pattern... The ultra fire torch body has been copied to death and most of what you see on eBay are all fakes.
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I don't think anyone's criticised your torches Russ but you've attempted to ridicule anyone who's not prepared to buy one. You made comments about people's character on a Facebook topic the other day on The TACCA page.
Is it really that important to you that some of us who want to dip our toe in the water
with regards to uv torches, shop elsewhere for a cheap torch (which actually works).
why so prickly? Nobody's questioned your character but you've called people cheap carpet cleaners and cheapskates etc etc.
Get over it man.
And all of your friends that have jumped in to champion your torches and character - you owe em a pint.
#justsayin #sensitive
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Well I must admit my question was Market Research as I had stared a topic on UV torches Niche and torches in General on Wholesale-Help on Face Book which I am an administrator and the First Most Helpful Member. and Owner of the Tea Shirt I was amazed how many are being sold at different prices and on the surface they all appeared the same and you could buy them for £2 from China.
So Russ I offer you sincere apologies for upsetting you but I hope you have sold a few torches as result and yours is clearly a superior product
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Your question was totally valid Ian, everyone will have a different opinion and that's what makes a good forum... For us to discuss and debate.
It makes absolutely no difference to me whether people buy a cheap £10 torch or one of mine, if it works for them... Good luck.
We all buy equipment, good and bad and that's how we learn. When I was researching the torches I made several bad purchases of cheap components which were unreliable and failed to perform as I wanted.
With much experimenting I managed to find the right components which resulted in a good torch which has resulted in many carpet cleaners to expand their services to include pet urine detection.
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Russ While on the Subject of Urine which product do you think is best to deal with it.
I found one at Crufts and I think I saw it advertised in Cleaning matters this s morning. When i first started I used one from Prochem but I never got along with it
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Without a doubt the Chemspec urine contamination treatment
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i don't have one of russ's torches or anyone else's either for that matter but i know for a fact that russ's one will do the job better than any other manufacturer's coz monkey told me it would :P