Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: j timms on July 24, 2014, 04:24:47 pm
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Converted 3 wfp jobs of mine back to trad today as never been happy with finish on them wfp. End result thirty minutes quicker and custy happier , win win in my eyes. Sometimes trad is just better and that's a fact.
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Yep - we have a handfull of jobs that its just quicker and easier to ge the ladder off.
Its nice to actually mix it up a bit anyway I find...
(but I personally prefere trad, hate using the pole, my employee is in charge of that lol)
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Yeah I'm with u James. Wouldn't be without my pole but still love trad. Both have advantages just don't know how people manage with only wfp or trad.
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If i only used wfp all day every day id quit. ;D ;)
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Yeah me to. I think the best windies can identify when trad is better. It's east to get lazy and just wfp everything.
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30 mins quicker? How come?
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30 mins quicker? How come?
Yeah, hard to see how that could be possible.
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End result thirty minutes quicker
You must be using WFP incorrectly... Maybe get someone to train you?
You do realise you're not supposed to hold the brush... The brush scrubs the window ;)
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I was trad for 17years, last 5 wfp.
Do a bit of trad as necessary but I find I can do about 30% more work per day with my pole.
I am now much better off financially and physically
I need me pole, at 57 years young. ;D
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Love the way some people can't take any criticism about wfp . Agreed a lot of the time wfp does save me time but sometimes due to difficult access or windows that don't like wfp or plants everywhere or pollen spots it remains easier, better and quicker to trad. I have been cleaning windows for 25 years and wfp for 3 years so think I know what I'm talking about. I think half the problem is 80 per cent of people on here can't trad properly.
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Love the way some people can't take any criticism about wfp . Agreed a lot of the time wfp does save me time but sometimes due to difficult access or windows that don't like wfp or plants everywhere or pollen spots it remains easier, better and quicker to trad. I have been cleaning windows for 25 years and wfp for 3 years so think I know what I'm talking about. I think half the problem is 80 per cent of people on here can't trad properly.
You have some windows that are easier to access with a ladder than with a pole? And areas with pots everywhere in which it is easier to put a ladder up than use a pole? That seems to be what you are saying.
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fair play you can do what you want but im doing less and less trad.i certainly dont get up a ladder very often to clean a upper window with a mop and squeegee!i do trad some ground floor windows though in awkward access areas. ;D
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Each to their own, but I don't even have a ladder on the van these days, stopped using it completely 2 years ago.
I miss out on a few jobs where a ladder is essential, like cleaning skylights/windows on flat roofs etc, but I'd rather stick to jobs where i'm safely on the ground.
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I totally understand what your saying, I had a large number of properties that didn't take to the
pole.
Yes I could get them clean put it took a lot of time faffing about waiting for the openers to stop leaking
so that I could clean the pain of glass underneath.
Doing them using traditional methods would have been a lot quicker but I didn't want to work from a ladder.
I'm the type of person who would get careless and end up breaking my neck.
In the end I stopped doing them and replaced with properties that I could get to a reasonable level using the
pole.
To be honest I had plenty of work coming in and could pick the windows/properties more suitable to wfp methods.
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30 mins quicker? How come?
Yeah, hard to see how that could be possible.
I'm not sure about 30 minutes, but some jobs i've found quicker to do in the traditional method are old wooden conservatories with flaky wood on them. You can walk away knowing they're fine too.
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I have timed bungalows and deffo quicker trad due to layout and hose dragging.
Still do it WFP as it does a better job.
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The only jobs I've ever found quicker trad is shop fronts.
And yeah, I'm pretty quick with a blade
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fair play you can do what you want but im doing less and less trad.i certainly dont get up a ladder very often to clean a upper window with a mop and squeegee!i do trad some ground floor windows though in awkward access areas. ;D
+1
About 95% of the time I WFP everything. It's quicker and does a better job most of the time.
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Just replace the jobs you struggle to clean properly with wfp . It's a backwards desperate step that sounds like the custy is dictating to you . After 25 years you should not let that happen , but still if you like climbing a ladder the older you get
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Just replace the jobs you struggle to clean properly with wfp . It's a backwards desperate step that sounds like the custy is dictating to you . After 25 years you should not let that happen , but still if you like climbing a ladder the older you get
I sea youre spelling is cuming on, have you bean to nite skool Stephen ?
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Each to their own, but I don't even have a ladder on the van these days, stopped using it completely 2 years ago.
I miss out on a few jobs where a ladder is essential, like cleaning skylights/windows on flat roofs etc, but I'd rather stick to jobs where i'm safely on the ground.
+1
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No my 3 year old daughter opened this account and was posting under my name
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Would never get rid of my ladder, I still use it to access some windows above flat roof's..I still use both methods each has its place, WFP is just another tool IMHO ;)
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Each to their own, but I don't even have a ladder on the van these days, stopped using it completely 2 years ago.
I miss out on a few jobs where a ladder is essential, like cleaning skylights/windows on flat roofs etc, but I'd rather stick to jobs where i'm safely on the ground.
Well said Wayne, did a new job yesterday large house with separate swimming pool and gym and a office, the customer insisted all done with the pole most of the job was single story. Turns out they had a shiner who climbed on the pool roof to get to skylights and fell off!
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Just replace the jobs you struggle to clean properly with wfp . It's a backwards desperate step that sounds like the custy is dictating to you . After 25 years you should not let that happen , but still if you like climbing a ladder the older you get
I sea youre spelling is cuming on, have you bean to nite skool Stephen ?
and does that make you feel better to pick on some one like that >:( >:( >:( >:(
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Just replace the jobs you struggle to clean properly with wfp . It's a backwards desperate step that sounds like the custy is dictating to you . After 25 years you should not let that happen , but still if you like climbing a ladder the older you get
I sea youre spelling is cuming on, have you bean to nite skool Stephen ?
and does that make you feel better to pick on some one like that >:( >:( >:( >:(
To be fair I think it was a reference to Steven being Barry Mallett.
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Just replace the jobs you struggle to clean properly with wfp . It's a backwards desperate step that sounds like the custy is dictating to you . After 25 years you should not let that happen , but still if you like climbing a ladder the older you get
why would I want to replace good jobs that pay well. I might be getting older but I still play football and tackle a few triathlons each year so getting up a ladders not to much of a problem. I'm starting to think a lot on here are a bit soft to be honest. I don't let the customer dictate but I choose the method that will give the best finish on each job.
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I choose the method that will give the best finish on each job.
On about 99% of my work that is WFP.
Not really sure why you can't seem to get a good finish with the pole.
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I choose the method that will give the best finish on each job.
On about 99% of my work that is WFP.
Not really sure why you can't seem to get a good finish with the pole.
because I do a lot of villages that still have old wooden frames that don't take to well to the pole and because believe it or not a good trad window cleaner can actually do a better job on certain windows
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Just replace the jobs you struggle to clean properly with wfp . It's a backwards desperate step that sounds like the custy is dictating to you . After 25 years you should not let that happen , but still if you like climbing a ladder the older you get
I sea youre spelling is cuming on, have you bean to nite skool Stephen ?
and does that make you feel better to pick on some one like that >:( >:( >:( >:(
Steven had been rumbled....It was a Pi ss take ;D ;D ;D.....get with it
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I choose the method that will give the best finish on each job.
On about 99% of my work that is WFP.
Not really sure why you can't seem to get a good finish with the pole.
because I do a lot of villages that still have old wooden frames that don't take to well to the pole and because believe it or not a good trad window cleaner can actually do a better job on certain windows
The jury is still out on that one I think. 😀
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I choose the method that will give the best finish on each job.
On about 99% of my work that is WFP.
Not really sure why you can't seem to get a good finish with the pole.
because I do a lot of villages that still have old wooden frames that don't take to well to the pole and because believe it or not a good trad window cleaner can actually do a better job on certain windows
The jury is still out on that one I think.
Whys the jury still out on it ?
I guarantee that there's not one guy on here who knows how to use a wfp system properly that wont tell you there are certain
windows that don't take well to the pole no matter what you try.
Some could have 99% of their windows that come up o.k. others could have less.
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dodgy rubber seals are the number one culprit for runs and spotting IMO using WFP.its amazing how many window fitters fit these badly or their just old and perished.
only way round it for me is to miss the top frame and scrub and rinse very carefully near the top of the glass.on ground floor windows ill give the top frame a wipe with a cloth every few months when dirty on problem windows.upper top frames get a scrub and rinse every few months.then i clean another window then come back and just clean the glass carefully avoiding the top frame and seal.
sometimes its easier to trad them(ground floor only)although i will get up a ladder occasionally with a squeegee if windows on a balcony/some flat roofs etc
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I trad a large dentist surgery bottoms only. I tried wfp all of it but water drips from top windows onto security shutters onto bottom windows which caused a few issues! It takes me just under an hour job is worth £45 so not too bad!
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There's a new development near me where the builder seems to have used badly designed frames.
Well badly designed for wfp cleaning.
The openers drain onto the glass below for hours after you have left causing very noticeable runs.
The drain hole is above the rubber seal which has a gap to let the drain water out, so the water has to run along the rubber to drain so then gathers dirt from the seal. (hope this makes sense hard to explain)
It must be the pressure of brushing the glass that causes the frames to fill with water as they don't seem
to leaves runs when it rains.
Have tried brushing using as little force as possible but no joy.
God help us if these frame types become the norm.
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I agree with KS , its a backward step! I cant see how your faster with traditional ? You must be seriously slow using wfp!
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I haven't had my trad gear in the van for over 2 years. ;D
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I agree with KS , its a backward step! I cant see how your faster with traditional ? You must be seriously slow using wfp!
or seriously fast trad :)
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Is anybody really bothered what gives the best finish . I know I'm not I couldn't care less if I get a few dodgy windows or houses that don't come up perfect with wfp . As long as they pay don't complain and don't cancel .
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I agree with KS , its a backward step! I cant see how your faster with traditional ? You must be seriously slow using wfp!
It is actually Steven Biggs' post that you agree with ;).........But I also agree.
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I choose the method that will give the best finish on each job.
On about 99% of my work that is WFP.
Not really sure why you can't seem to get a good finish with the pole.
because I do a lot of villages that still have old wooden frames that don't take to well to the pole and because believe it or not a good trad window cleaner can actually do a better job on certain windows
The jury is still out on that one I think.
Whys the jury still out on it ?
I guarantee that there's not one guy on here who knows how to use a wfp system properly that wont tell you there are certain
windows that don't take well to the pole no matter what you try.
Some could have 99% of their windows that come up o.k. others could have less.
Because I'm yet to find a window type that I can't get perfect.
The windows talk about can be a pain, but you have to do just all top openers then when the drips stop go back underneath. Yes they are a pain. But I have one house in my whole run with widows like that.
The only reason a pane of glass will not look 100% crystal clear is because of contamination.
So find out how to stop that contamination and hey presto. :)
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I choose the method that will give the best finish on each job.
On about 99% of my work that is WFP.
Not really sure why you can't seem to get a good finish with the pole.
because I do a lot of villages that still have old wooden frames that don't take to well to the pole and because believe it or not a good trad window cleaner can actually do a better job on certain windows
The jury is still out on that one I think.
Whys the jury still out on it ?
I guarantee that there's not one guy on here who knows how to use a wfp system properly that wont tell you there are certain
windows that don't take well to the pole no matter what you try.
Some could have 99% of their windows that come up o.k. others could have less.
Because I'm yet to find a window type that I can't get perfect.
The windows talk about can be a pain, but you have to do just all top openers then when the drips stop go back underneath. Yes they are a pain. But I have one house in my whole run with widows like that.
The only reason a pane of glass will not look 100% crystal clear is because of contamination.
So find out how to stop that contamination and hey presto. :)
Nothing wrong in believing that every window you clean comes up perfect, its the only way to think when using
wfp methods.
Like somebody else stated, as long as the customers aren't complaining then who cares.
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I choose the method that will give the best finish on each job.
On about 99% of my work that is WFP.
Not really sure why you can't seem to get a good finish with the pole.
because I do a lot of villages that still have old wooden frames that don't take to well to the pole and because believe it or not a good trad window cleaner can actually do a better job on certain windows
The jury is still out on that one I think.
Whys the jury still out on it ?
I guarantee that there's not one guy on here who knows how to use a wfp system properly that wont tell you there are certain
windows that don't take well to the pole no matter what you try.
Some could have 99% of their windows that come up o.k. others could have less.
Because I'm yet to find a window type that I can't get perfect.
The windows talk about can be a pain, but you have to do just all top openers then when the drips stop go back underneath. Yes they are a pain. But I have one house in my whole run with widows like that.
The only reason a pane of glass will not look 100% crystal clear is because of contamination.
So find out how to stop that contamination and hey presto. :)
Nothing wrong in believing that every window you clean comes up perfect, its the only way to think when using
wfp methods.
Like somebody else stated, as long as the customers aren't complaining then who cares.
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