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UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Carpet Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Spot On cleaning on April 03, 2006, 07:58:14 pm
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Has anyone been nabbed by one recently. I was had in January and the letter duly came a couple of weeks later, saying i was doing 40mph in a 30mph zone. I disagree with this of course, as it was on a gradiant and just off a roundabout.
I wrote to them asking for the photographic evidence and two photos were sent back to me. The first shows my van and the background, and the second is just a close up of the van showing no background. My arguement will be when i go to court is that how can i physically disprove their claim by measuring the distance as the second picture doesn't show any background.
Also their laser equipment had been used for 10 months since being calibrated and was due to be calibrated again in two months time. If the police can absolutely state that their equipment is accurate all the time, why bother to have them calibrated at all >:(
Having worked with laser monitoring equipment in the cable industry i can tell you that the are not accurate all the time, and i know of a speed indicator sign that informs me of travelling at 50mph when in fact i am doing 40mph. Maybe because my van has a sloping front, it gives an adverse reading or even road vibration.
If anybody runs into this sort of problem, there is a website called pepipoo that gives you all the legal advice for free. In one year the safety camera partnership pulled in 121 millon pounds in fines. Don't get me wrong, if they are parked outside a school and catch speeding cars, good, but they always seem to pick on easy targets not the speeding youths. As i only have 3 points already, i am not worried about an additional 3 or the fine, it's just a matter of principle.
Any thoughts on this or you have been caught out?
Dave
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Check this out. You might find some help here.
http://www.safespeed.org.uk/badsigns.html
tihson
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Thank's for that. I have had a quick look and it looks good. Somebody told me to
hang a cd in the windscreen to deflect the cameras beam, and there must be something in this as i have seen an articulated lorry with a line of them in the windscreen.
Dave
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:'( I have a Citroen Dispatch van and was court doing 66 in a 60 zone, because my van is over a one ton pay load I was only able to go 50 mph. This is not told to us when we buy our vans and I was just driving at the same speed as the rest of the traffic. Very unfair I thought £60 fine 3 points, o well 6 more points and i win a month off work. :)
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Watched Myth Busters on Discovery and the tried most of the tricks to try to fool the cameras and no none of the work not even the cds
Cheers Goron
Ps. simplest way around it is to not speed in the first place!
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I was waiting for a reply like this. The trouble is there are too many self richeous people out there and you are one of them with a post script telling me not to speed in the first place.
For your information, there was a tv experiment carried out by motorway police officers, and it was found near impossible to keep to a required speed constantly. Don't get me wrong, if they were sited in places where there is danger to children and old people, fair enough, but they are not, because the police know full well there is revenue to be had and very easily.
And if you read my post properly, i have stated that i was not travelling at 40mph as was stated by them.
Dave
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some years ago the goverment asked DETR or is it DTER? any way, to answer the question 'what causes road accidents?' they investigated many road accidients and determined excessive speed acounted for 6.7% the main cause being distracted attention.
funny the results seemed to be kept low profile.
excessive speed will only really make accidents worse, rarely cause them.
though you could say if nothing moved nothing would happen.
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Keep your hair on Di.. sorry Dave
I am the first to admit that i do not always stick to the speed limit. All i said was that if you don't want to be caught by the traps for whatever reason they are there don't sppeed that is the only true method not to get caught by them.
Anyway enjoy your fine and your increased insurance due to your points Di..
Cheers Goron
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Goron
Bol---ks
And in any case i will fight it.
Dave
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your just making yourself look stupid now Dave!
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Where are you from if you don't mind me asking? only i have not come across your name before
Dave
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All of my info is in my profile!
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Sorry, i should have been a little clearer with my question. What i meant to say was where does the name Goron originate from
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cornwall!
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Thankyou. I thought you were a foreigner
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Hi Dave,
Karpet Knights has a point, but everyone breaks the speed limit from time to time, even my mum had a speeding ticket recently after 40 years of driving as slow as a snail!
If you think you have a case then go for it!
If not, take the points and the fine, my insurance company (norwich union) wasn't bothered by my 9 points when I first went with them. And now they have all gone my insurance premium still creeps up every year!
Sometimes its not worth the hastle fighting these things, just added stress to an already stressfull life!
Good luck if you persue........
Kind regards,
Jason.
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Sorry Carpet knights,
Spelt your name wrong!
Kind regards,
Jason.
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Thanks Jason,
I see you have a Vauxhall Vivaro. What do you think of them? I have a 3 year old long wheel base with a truck mount in it. A great van but too small for me really.
Dave
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Hi Dave,
I'd love a long wheel base vivaro with a truckmount!
Instead I have a short wheelbase with 2 portables in it!
I love my van, it has been 100% reliable so far (touch wood) and driving it is a real pleasure.
If your van has been a nightmare I'll swap any day ;D!
Kind regards,
Jason.
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Any non car derived van is restricted to 10 mph below the stated speed limit, ie;70mph zone=60 mph except in 30mph limits,it should be made clear at the time of purchase or, even easier, why dont manufacturers/dealers put a sticker on the dash?
A friend of mine used to own an ex military transit, painted in radar absorbant olive drab paint, the look on the polices faces when he used to drive past them when they were using the hand held speed guns was priceless,but thenso was the look on his face when the first gatso arrived in the area!!
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Hi Andy,
Thats an interesting point, I never knew that, thanks!
Just a quickie on insurance...... I had my re-newal price for my van insurance from norwich union a year ago and it was £1100 without contents cover. I shopped around on the internet and got a quote for £700. I phoned norwich union and queried the renewal price and the sales person she recommended that by adding my fiancee (who would never even dare drive a van) it reduced to £600. And I was added to her car insurance for free!
Well worth adding your spouse to your policy even if they don't drive it!!!
Kind regards,
Jason.
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I added my wife on my insurance and it went down £80,shes only got 2 years no claims after having an accident which was declared her fault, ive got 8 years no claims, work that one out
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Hi Andy,
My fiancee has only been driving for 2 years but perhaps because she was with N.U it made a difference! I've found them the cheapest insurance company by far even if they are a nightmare to deal with if you have a claim! Spent 2 hours explaining a prang I had on a roundabout a couple of years ago to someone in Bangladesh!!!
Kind regards,
Jason.
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i think we all tend to speed as its the way of life these days after picking up 6 points a few years back i invested in a road angel which warns me of all cameras including mobile ones. a good investment and has saved my bacon on more than one occassion. someone metioned insurance i find the cheapest insurance is A plan hudreds cheaper than most .
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How much are road angels, and do they work with all radar?
I think the point i am making is that the motorist is easy pickings for the police as 121 million in one year indicates.
I have seen speed vans tucked in behind a burger van on one occasion. You don't see them outside a school or somewhere else do you?
People don't complain enough.
Dave
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Near me in Stourbridge they have installed a new camera and repainted all the calibration lines on the road---- only its a new type of camera that detects you approaching it and not going away.
Also I have 6 points and thats £75 per 3 points extra for insurance and I insure 3 vehicles.
Trevor
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Used to be with Commercial Vehicles Direct but have changed to AQUOTE based in Andover, they are a brooker for all insurance companies. Both are very cheap
I have a 55 plate Fiat Doblo Cargo 19JTD SX and they only charge £400 a year. I got a quote from NU and it was £780.
Thet are very expensive and you still have to put up with them calling you Mr Ranger rather than Mr Grainger.
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Dave you can check for speed cameras here.
http://www.speedcameramap.co.uk/
tihson
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Just for the record there is a spray you can buy called safe plate, it makes the flash off speed cameras bounce back at themselves so you dont get caught,I have this on my motorcycle,not much point putting it on a sign written van though !! bit imcriminating dont you think,I have a road angel in my van so i know where they all are even the mobile types and the ones beneath the road surface
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Thank's Stuart. I didn't even know they had ones built into the road. I think it is about time people made a stand on this speed camera policy >:( >:(
Dave
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road angels are around £400 and the new one also have sat nav. well worth the money as they will detect all cameras including hand held though by the time you are told of the hand held its too late as it reads it as it bounces off. but all the others you have a lot of warning
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Just a little help, it certainly helped me TWICE anyway!
Basically when you get the forms through the post with a fine - ignore them. What I mean by this is, fill in the form all correctly, take a photocopy then destroy the original. IF they take it to court you can stand up and explain that you sent the forms off, and that you have photocopies to prove it (they cannot disprove that you didnt send them). They will have no choice but to fine you just the original amount. Someone I know did exactly this.
Anyway, I have done this twice myself, and on both occasions I filled them out, photocopied them/destroyed the originals and ignored them etc. I have never heard a thing - and that was 3 years ago!
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They have just sent me a reminder giving me 7 days, but i am not replying. If they then take me to magistrates court, i will cross this bridge when it comes. Thank's everybody for some good advice.
Dave
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What a pathetic, lame excuse "nobody told me when i bought it"
and i must say , have to agree with Goran
Geoff
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Hi All
This speed thing with vans having to do 10mph slower than cars, wheres the info come from ? I all so am the driver of a 44ton Fridge (artic) cat c+e, class 1. If your vehicle has a GVW (Gross Vehicle Weight)(Vehicle and pay-load) of 3.5 ton or more you are classed as an HGV and thus require the licence to drive one. Thats why you get the Merc Sprinters etc. with an ULW (unlaiden weight) of around 1.8/2 ton with payload it is under 3.5 ton so can be driven on car (cat b) licence. If you are a HGV (cat c/c+e) it is 40 mph on single roads- 50mph on duel carrage way- 60mph on motorway. Unless road signs show different.
Be Safe.
Brent
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This speed thing with vans having to do 10mph slower than cars, wheres the info come from ?
Highway Code
http://www.highwaycode.gov.uk/09.htm#103
Go down to Woolies and get a half price detector. ;D
http://www.woolworths.co.uk/ww_p2/product/index.jhtml?pid=50432996
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Why dont you use sat-nav to tell you where the cameras are, like I do, and avoid the situation...Theres no point arguing with the coppers, as they'll always win.
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Somebody who apparantly has it from an aquatance in the traffic police that the police are looking for a figure of 60% of all people who are sent a notice to just pay up without question and not go to court.
Apparantly they do not like the hassle of having to send one of their staff to court to detest speeding notices because on many occasions they have been thrown out due to discrepancies in road signs and gun accuracy etc.
Dave