Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Dave Willis on July 11, 2014, 11:07:03 pm
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Why stick a blatant advert up and then lock it?
Did the mods lock it?
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I thought it was funny.
SALES MEETING
'Right lads, we need a word that sounds as close to xtreme as possible but is legally different'
'What about exceed?'
'It's good, but needs to be a tiny but more different, for legal reasons'
'How about putting a hyphen between the x and the c?'
'Brilliant. Let's go to the pub, we've got one over on Alex again!'
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Trouble is Steven has problems communicating and taking questions on this forum, so best way is to start a thread glam up the product then close the thread before answering any awkward questions like ....
Is it full carbon....
What is the pole weight....
What's the price.....
Will you ever have them in stock.....
Darran
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Perhaps while down the pub they also came up with that brilliant marketing ploy of a few pictures the right size, one over sized, no real information and then lock the thread after one reply.
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Its got you talking about it though ;D
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Its got you talking about it though ;D
+1
I've watched a video of someone trying to explain the hose fitting (which looks ex-celent btw). Unfortunately as far as an advertisement goes it was fairly terrible.
Looks like a good pole to me though...
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Agree with Soupy their pole does look promising but they have shot themselves
in the foot on here.
Wouldn't buy a product from a company that I don't trust and their actions on here do make
them look shifty.
Sorry Guys.
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Agree with Soupy their pole does look promising but they have shot themselves
in the foot on here.
Wouldn't buy a product from a company that I don't trust and their actions on here do make
them look shifty.
Sorry Guys.
Sorry, must have missed the CIU memo. Please elaborate.
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Agree with Soupy their pole does look promising but they have shot themselves
in the foot on here.
Wouldn't buy a product from a company that I don't trust and their actions on here do make
them look shifty.
Sorry Guys.
Sorry, must have missed the CIU memo. Please elaborate.
Have a look through Steven's posts.
I'm sure his heart/brain is in the right place but on here he has had some issues.
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I thought it was funny.
SALES MEETING
'Right lads, we need a word that sounds as close to xtreme as possible but is legally different'
'What about exceed?'
'It's good, but needs to be a tiny but more different, for legal reasons'
'How about putting a hyphen between the x and the c?'
'Brilliant. Let's go to the pub, we've got one over on Alex again!'
We as a company are not interested in gardiner poles or any other infact, what so ever, Ex-ceed innovation is the company name not the poles. the poles are coded "5018" for example.
we have carbon far superior than any of our competitors, the clamps are better the any clamp available at present.
It has a locking force 60 kg we are more than confident in our product.
Dodgy T shirt and centre parting; I'm out.....
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They look a nice pole, anymore stat's and when will they be available for sale?
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I asked the first question about the full carbon?
I haven't gone back to look at the thread but guess my question wasn't answered. Therefore - no Give no GET. (my money that is)
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LOL seems I got that question in in the nick of time. ;D
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Hi Yes they are "full" carbon but of a higher grade then poles you have present.
a lot of companies use carbon grades as cheap as possible to maximise profits, but we have spared no expense
They will be available shortly, with technical info and prices,
The pictures are a preview of the quality of what to expect.
Regards
Steve.
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I thought it was funny.
SALES MEETING
'Right lads, we need a word that sounds as close to xtreme as possible but is legally different'
'What about exceed?'
'It's good, but needs to be a tiny but more different, for legal reasons'
'How about putting a hyphen between the x and the c?'
'Brilliant. Let's go to the pub, we've got one over on Alex again!'
We as a company are not interested in gardiner poles or any other infact, what so ever, Ex-ceed innovation is the company name not the poles. the poles are coded "5018" for example.
we have carbon far superior than any of our competitors, the clamps are better the any clamp available at present.
It has a locking force 60 kg we are more than confident in our product.
Dodgy T shirt and centre parting; I'm out.....
LOL! thats not a centre parting, its grey hair, to much stress dealing with negative coments ;D
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Steve, what is the weight of a 25ft please?
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I thought it was funny.
SALES MEETING
'Right lads, we need a word that sounds as close to xtreme as possible but is legally different'
'What about exceed?'
'It's good, but needs to be a tiny but more different, for legal reasons'
'How about putting a hyphen between the x and the c?'
'Brilliant. Let's go to the pub, we've got one over on Alex again!'
We as a company are not interested in gardiner poles or any other infact, what so ever, Ex-ceed innovation is the company name not the poles. the poles are coded "5018" for example.
we have carbon far superior than any of our competitors, the clamps are better the any clamp available at present.
It has a locking force 60 kg we are more than confident in our product.
Can you imagine the top boy at Audi saying 'we are not interested in what Mercedes are doing'?
What makes your carbon 'superior'?
Alex has said that the carbon used in the xtreme is the same carbon used on La Ferrari.
No one has proved him wrong, yet.
Can't imagine Ferrari having the option of 'higher grade' carbon and declining. And I'd imagine they 'spare no expense'
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I thought it was funny.
SALES MEETING
'Right lads, we need a word that sounds as close to xtreme as possible but is legally different'
'What about exceed?'
'It's good, but needs to be a tiny but more different, for legal reasons'
'How about putting a hyphen between the x and the c?'
'Brilliant. Let's go to the pub, we've got one over on Alex again!'
We as a company are not interested in gardiner poles or any other infact, what so ever, Ex-ceed innovation is the company name not the poles. the poles are coded "5018" for example.
we have carbon far superior than any of our competitors, the clamps are better the any clamp available at present.
It has a locking force 60 kg we are more than confident in our product.
Can you imagine the top boy at Audi saying 'we are not interested in what Mercedes are doing'?
What makes your carbon 'superior'?
Alex has said that the carbon used in the xtreme is the same carbon used on La Ferrari.
No one has proved him wrong, yet.
Can't imagine Ferrari having the option of 'higher grade' carbon and declining. And I'd imagine they 'spare no expense'
i dont think a large company would give any info on there carbon composition!
What i mean the grade yes, but the exact Ferrari quality no.
Ferrari, and Mclaren would love to find out the exact makeup of each others car weight, and structural strength,
But do you think if i phoned ferrari, they would give me exact makeup of there carbon?
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so you can't buy them and they aren't available. They are however Chinese? What's tubeless mean? What's the point of 60kg clamping pressure? What lengths are there? Is it high modulus carbon? What's the guarantee and what are the prices?
Oh, and do you say the carbon quality is better than a Gardiners Extreme pole?
I'm in the market for an Extreme replacement - convince me.
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1320Gr
too heavy, i am out! would keep my xtreme 25 ;)
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1320Gr
too heavy, i am out! would keep my xtreme 25 ;)
wimp ;D
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They are NOT 'tubeless', as when the pole is at closed length and you detach the pole hose....there is still a length of pole hose in the pole going from the base of the pole to the brush head.
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1320Gr
too heavy, i am out! would keep my xtreme 25 ;)
I wondered whether it was an 'in use' weight...?
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I thought it was funny.
SALES MEETING
'Right lads, we need a word that sounds as close to xtreme as possible but is legally different'
'What about exceed?'
'It's good, but needs to be a tiny but more different, for legal reasons'
'How about putting a hyphen between the x and the c?'
'Brilliant. Let's go to the pub, we've got one over on Alex again!'
We as a company are not interested in gardiner poles or any other infact, what so ever, Ex-ceed innovation is the company name not the poles. the poles are coded "5018" for example.
we have carbon far superior than any of our competitors, the clamps are better the any clamp available at present.
It has a locking force 60 kg we are more than confident in our product.
Can you imagine the top boy at Audi saying 'we are not interested in what Mercedes are doing'?
What makes your carbon 'superior'?
Alex has said that the carbon used in the xtreme is the same carbon used on La Ferrari.
No one has proved him wrong, yet.
Can't imagine Ferrari having the option of 'higher grade' carbon and declining. And I'd imagine they 'spare no expense'
i dont think a large company would give any info on there carbon composition!
So you think Alex is lying?
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1320Gr
too heavy, i am out! would keep my xtreme 25 ;)
We do a very light pole, this is the slx type of range, but we do a lightweight one, all will be revealed in due time.
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1320Gr
too heavy, i am out! would keep my xtreme 25 ;)
We do a super light pole, this is the slx type of range, but we do a lightweight one, all will be revealed in due time.
good news Steven :)
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i dont think a large company would give any info on there carbon composition!
No?
http://m.autoblog.com/2012/09/28/ferrari-f70-enzo-carbon-fiber-chassis-paris-2012/
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i dont think a large company would give any info on there carbon composition!
No?
http://m.autoblog.com/2012/09/28/ferrari-f70-enzo-carbon-fiber-chassis-paris-2012/
;D ;D ;D
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I use Mclaren carbon LOL
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If i did, you would not afford to buy my poles, LOL
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Never prejudge a customer.
Being able to buy and choosing to buy based on good business acumen are 2 different things.
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The process, ferrari go through to make there carbon, is pain staking, they tap it all over for air pockets, i do not think waterfed pole companies would have this kind of top of the range carbon thats for sure!
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I wonder if Alex will have anything to say on this post.
He has said it's the Ferrari carbon before.
Maybe he'll post some facts.
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Ferrari, as one carbon called T800, this is used in the bike industry.
But it depends wether other companies (water fed pole) go through the same painstaking process as ferrari.
What i dont believe is pole manufacturers use the same make up and quality as ferrari.
I believe the type of carbon is the same, but farrari make there own, there all competing for the lightest yet strongest cars, millions of pounds industry, we manufacturers would never be able to meet the quality of ferrari.
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What if I don't want that type of connector in the pole.
I'm asking because we rarely disconnect throughout the day and we have little to no issues with rectus21 fittings.
Also, I really do think someone has to really be better on price to gardiners to stand a chance of getting a market share ( other than selling some when he's out of stock )
Gardiners poles are real quality at a great price, every time I've looked to buy the next couple of poles all the competition are either of unknown quality, heavier, don't come with a brush and hose as standard and cost AT LEAST the same if not more.
When is someone going to actually do a bit of sales and offer either an introductory price of say 25% cheaper than gardiners or offer out 50 poles for a years trial ?
Until a company has the balls to do this Alex will stay well out in front on reputation alone, as I know when I am spending upwards of £700 I get a great product that lasts for years.
Darran
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Well done Steven.
Last time you bought a new pole to the market didn't Alex reduce his prices?
I'm about to try an extreme replcacing my slx's but I'll hang on until you launch.
Love a bargin me.
Tony
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I can't remember if this is an open forum or a gardiners fan club/hit squad ::)roll
www.gardinerfanclub.co.uk is for sale at ;D ;D
https://www.1and1.co.uk/domaincheckresult?__reuse=1405181246718&__lf=Order
I look forward to seeing the specs for the poles before i cast judgment ;)
Paul
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I can't remember if this is an open forum or a gardiners fan club/hit squad [color] ::)roll
Paul
That's the reward for supplying such good equipment and service that's second to none😎
I'm sure others will be as well supported when they step up to the plate with goods and services. As yet many suppliers on here get all prickly and flustered over the simplest and straightforward of questions
Darran
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No answers to my questions so looks like Gardiners will be getting my custom again this year.
Steven is still online but unwilling to give any useful information so cheerio aquadapter!
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Don't get me wrong smudger i love gardiners poles and brushes but it just seems like anytime someone trys to say anything about another brand of pole they get shot down in flames.
Paul
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Don't get me wrong smudger i love gardiners poles and brushes but it just seems like anytime someone trys to say anything about another brand of pole they get shot down in flames.
Paul
I would love to see more competition.
It can only be good for the shiner on the street.
The pole this thread is based on is a carbon copy of an SLX but Steven is saying it's better.
If it is, show us.
Show some real world stats.
I said the extreme has Ferrari type carbon, cause Alex said.
Steve said it wouldn't.
Then he says it might be but it won't be the same the same ::)roll
It's 20g lighter than an SLX. I bet it's about 20mm shorter too.
We've heard it all before.
'Best pole ever' 'lightest pole ever' 'most rigid pole ever' etc etc.
Upto 40ft I have not used a better pole than Gardiners in 11 years.
50ft and over, Ionic poles (the Swift+) is better than the extreme in use. It's only the collapsed length that let's the 80' down.
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I have no brand loyalty whatsoever (except adidas, no idea why, just can't wear any other trainers), if someone comes along with a better, cheaper suitable pole I'll buy that. Right now it's the SLX.
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Don't get me wrong smudger i love gardiners poles and brushes but it just seems like anytime someone trys to say anything about another brand of pole they get shot down in flames.
Paul
Unfortunately Paul it's gardiners competitors who usually shoot themselves down, just research many of the aquadaptor and Phoenix threads....
They can neither handle the questions or themselves when on the forum in a professional business like way.
For me as a business and customer I welcome more choice, but service and quality are paramount !!!
I was one of the main champions for the aqua daptor when it came to market, I even helped test development models and hose before release ( that was with Paul )
So I'm happy to support new poles etc.. But as yet none of them have come up with the goods
Darran
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Before sticking up a pic you'd think a manufacturer could answer such questions as:
How much?
Exact extended and closed length.
Exact weight.
Can it be extended and by how much?
What brushes/jets will it be sold with?
You'd hope that knowing it's the SLX he has to beat that he would have a pic of the SLX and the Exceed side by side at full length showing how his is more rigid.
But no.
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We do a super light pole, this is the slx type of range, but we do a lightweight one, all will be revealed in due time.
What will be revealed in due time?
I don't mean to nitpick but the sentence doesn't make sense.
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We do a super light pole, this is the slx type of range, but we do a lightweight one, all will be revealed in due time.
What will be revealed in due time?
I don't mean to nitpick but the sentence doesn't make sense.
All
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Will be revealed.
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It's great to know that all will be revealed in the future.
I feel so much better for knowing that.
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1320Gr
too heavy, i am out! would keep my xtreme 25 ;)
This was my reply when i was asked the weight of my pole, and the question was how heavy is my 22ft pole, i said 1320grm, but i was not comparing it to a extreme, but i do have a super duper light pole that is just as light as extreme.
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1320Gr
too heavy, i am out! would keep my xtreme 25 ;)
This was my reply when i was asked the weight of my pole, and the question was how heavy is my 22ft pole, i said 1320grm, but i was not comparing it to a extreme, but i do have a super duper light pole that is just as light as extreme.
actually my question was for your 25ft not 22ft! read page 1
you said you have the best pole, much better than others suppliers so i was expected at least as good as the extreme 25!
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Watch This!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_BYFnsQYnY&feature=youtu.be
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Looks a nice pole Steve.
The little stopper bit looks good.
Could that be made of rubber? Could make a little shock absorber, help the clamps stay on.
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Sorry pole king,
Dont understand what you mean about shock absorber?
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You know when you unclamp and a section slides down and the clamps slap together.
That, over time, causes the clamps to come loose.
If there was a little rubber gasket/shock absorber between the clamps that would prolong the life of clamp glue.
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You know when you unclamp and a section slides down and the clamps slap together.
That, over time, causes the clamps to come loose.
If there was a little rubber gasket/shock absorber between the clamps that would prolong the life of clamp glue.
That is a excellent idea!
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So how does the connector work? I appreciate you don't want to give out your trade secrets but does the pole just fill with water itself or is there some kind of collapsing hose inside the pole? Which ever way it is, when you collapse the pole where does the water with in the pole go? Could you use this kind of system with an aqua adapter?
Simon.
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You know when you unclamp and a section slides down and the clamps slap together.
That, over time, causes the clamps to come loose.
If there was a little rubber gasket/shock absorber between the clamps that would prolong the life of clamp glue.
That is a excellent idea!
Ta very much.
Royalties to be paid by way of Ringtons or Stella please. ;D
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So how does the connector work? I appreciate you don't want to give out your trade secrets but does the pole just fill with water itself or is there some kind of collapsing hose inside the pole? Which ever way it is, when you collapse the pole where does the water with in the pole go? Could you use this kind of system with an aqua adapter?
Simon.
Hi Simon,
Thanks for asking, the pole does not fill with water, that would be heavy, yes you can use Aqua-dapter.
Steven.
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My question is what happens if the rectus connector inside the pole goes naff, can it be replaced and if so, how?
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Why don't you answer the questions Steve?
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My guess is it clips in to section 1 then as you extend the pole you hose disappears up there as normal. Fixed hose from the brush to the bottom of section 1. You clip your hose in when the pole is collapsed, extend the pole as normal.
Just my guess.
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My question is what happens if the rectus connector inside the pole goes naff, can it be replaced and if so, how?
It'll just be a pole. Take it to bits, remove and replace any defective parts.
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It will not wear has it is Stainless steel.
Even if it did i sell them for £5, and easy to change.
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tell us more about the quality of the carbon please? ;)
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My guess is it clips in to section 1 then as you extend the pole you hose disappears up there as normal. Fixed hose from the brush to the bottom of section 1. You clip your hose in when the pole is collapsed, extend the pole as normal.
Just my guess.
This is what I wanted to know. And I pretty good theory.
Simon.
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Section 1 will have a rigid tube up the centre which as soupy says will extend with the pole taking the pole hose with it.
Pole king - I use o rings on my gardiner poles it does help stop the 'bang' when closing the section
Darran
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I thought it was funny.
SALES MEETING
'Right lads, we need a word that sounds as close to xtreme as possible but is legally different'
'What about exceed?'
'It's good, but needs to be a tiny but more different, for legal reasons'
'How about putting a hyphen between the x and the c?'
'Brilliant. Let's go to the pub, we've got one over on Alex again!'
We as a company are not interested in gardiner poles or any other infact, what so ever, Ex-ceed innovation is the company name not the poles. the poles are coded "5018" for example.
we have carbon far superior than any of our competitors, the clamps are better the any clamp available at present.
It has a locking force 60 kg we are more than confident in our product.
Can you imagine the top boy at Audi saying 'we are not interested in what Mercedes are doing'?
What makes your carbon 'superior'?
Alex has said that the carbon used in the xtreme is the same carbon used on La Ferrari.
No one has proved him wrong, yet.
Can't imagine Ferrari having the option of 'higher grade' carbon and declining. And I'd imagine they 'spare no expense'
More like top guy at Aldi not interested in what Harrods are doing.
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Good idea Darran what size O rings did you use . Thanks Mike
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More like top guy at Aldi not interested in what Harrods are doing.
Not really Paul, I realise that it's just a sly dig at steven 1 but the pole is going to be in the same market place as all the other pole manufacturers. Not a large market place either.
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1320Gr
too heavy, i am out! would keep my xtreme 25 ;)
This was my reply when i was asked the weight of my pole, and the question was how heavy is my 22ft pole, i said 1320grm, but i was not comparing it to a extreme, but i do have a super duper light pole that is just as light as extreme.
100 grams heavier than an SLX is a big difference really liking not having to coil pole hose but on weight i am out , Shoulders have been aching most days lately so i now take a section of my SLX that i dont need all the time . Mike
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I honestly wouldn't mind a extra few grams of weight if the pole is more rigid.
At this moment in time the SLX is the best pole in the market at that price range but
it could be improved.
As a person who has never been a fan of the Gardiner smart clamp the Exceed pole has certainly got my
attention.
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Section 1 will have a rigid tube up the centre which as soupy says will extend with the pole taking the pole hose with it.
Darran
Section 1 will have pole hose going up the centre.
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Have a look through Steven's posts.
I'm sure his heart/brain is in the right place but on here he has had some issues.
Perhaps some of his posts have been removed?
Seems like a straight talking chap from what I've read?
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Have a look through Steven's posts.
I'm sure his heart/brain is in the right place but on here he has had some issues.
Perhaps some of his posts have been removed?
Seems like a straight talking chap from what I've read?
His heart and brain do seem in the right place but he seems to be somewhere else.
It's a great pity he's not a bit more forthcoming with information.
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Have a look through Steven's posts.
I'm sure his heart/brain is in the right place but on here he has had some issues.
Perhaps some of his posts have been removed?
Seems like a straight talking chap from what I've read?
His heart and brain do seem in the right place but he seems to be somewhere else.
It's a great pity he's not a bit more forthcoming with information.
Perhaps he's playing this game very well.
4 pages on a pole that no ones seen or knows anything, really, about?
That's marketing hype if ever I saw it.
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1320Gr
too heavy, i am out! would keep my xtreme 25 ;)
This was my reply when i was asked the weight of my pole, and the question was how heavy is my 22ft pole, i said 1320grm, but i was not comparing it to a extreme, but i do have a super duper light pole that is just as light as extreme.
100 grams heavier than an SLX is a big difference really liking not having to coil pole hose but on weight i am out , Shoulders have been aching most days lately so i now take a section of my SLX that i dont need all the time . Mike
Hi guys,
Made a mistake on the 22ft, Around the same weight lol , But my sections are 1mm larger, so this makes our pole more rigid/stiffer.
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1320Gr
too heavy, i am out! would keep my xtreme 25 ;)
This was my reply when i was asked the weight of my pole, and the question was how heavy is my 22ft pole, i said 1320grm, but i was not comparing it to a extreme, but i do have a super duper light pole that is just as light as extreme.
100 grams heavier than an SLX is a big difference really liking not having to coil pole hose but on weight i am out , Shoulders have been aching most days lately so i now take a section of my SLX that i dont need all the time . Mike
Hi guys,
Made a mistake on the 22ft, Around the same weight lol , But my sections are 1mm larger, so this makes our pole more rigid/stiffer.
Thicker?
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1320Gr
too heavy, i am out! would keep my xtreme 25 ;)
This was my reply when i was asked the weight of my pole, and the question was how heavy is my 22ft pole, i said 1320grm, but i was not comparing it to a extreme, but i do have a super duper light pole that is just as light as extreme.
100 grams heavier than an SLX is a big difference really liking not having to coil pole hose but on weight i am out , Shoulders have been aching most days lately so i now take a section of my SLX that i dont need all the time . Mike
Hi guys,
Made a mistake on the 22ft, Around the same weight lol , But my sections are 1mm larger, so this makes our pole more rigid/stiffer.
what about the 25ft then? and still waiting and answer about your " super duper light pole"apparently similar or better than the xtreme 25 :o weight and price?,thanks.
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when will specs be available and the poles be on sale,you are in
kidderminster which is local to myself,i imagine you have a trade
counter,im looking for a 25-27 foot pole and i tend to prefer seeing
what im buying before i open my moth riddled wallet. :)
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I read somewhere that details will be released in 2 weeks and poles will be on sale in 4 weeks.
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I'll let you knew the sizes, I have a box of those multiple o rings so just used ones that were a snug fit to each section
Old man, so if it's hose it's held in place with a spacer/internal bracket type affair ?
Darran
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Old man, so if it's hose it's held in place with a spacer/internal bracket type affair ?
Darran
Not sure Smudger, my thoughts were the same as yours about a rigid pole in section#1........
But Steven (Aquadapter), has said elsewhere that it is pole hose in the length of pole section #1.
Maybe a rubber bung with a hole in centre has been glued inside section#1....something must be there to keep the connector in place when connecting the two together.
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Yep a simple bung would do it for weight and cost issues
Darran
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Did Steven quit the forum or was he banned ?
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Must admit pole looks good.
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You know when you unclamp and a section slides down and the clamps slap together.
That, over time, causes the clamps to come loose.
If there was a little rubber gasket/shock absorber between the clamps that would prolong the life of clamp glue.
I have already done that as a diy mod to my supermax, buy a roll of rubber self amalgamating tape from toolstation and tightly wrap 10 or so turns of it around the pole just under the clamp body.
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for some reason i cant reply to the other thread but thanks to steven for replying back, looks like its an interesting pole and will be good to see how this new connection last when its been out a few months, wonder why gardiners havent done something like this up to now?
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Stevens gone!
Gardiners haven't done it because it makes the pole heavier I would imagine. Gardiners tend to use a metre of pole hose from the reel of microbore to reduce the weight on the pole. With the Aquadapter crap you'll have more weight on the top of the pole by using the aquadapter and more weight on the bottom of the pole using the reel hose. Possibly more weight to add by using a screw on thread instead of the quick release. I wonder if the handle is insulated? Doesn't look like it.