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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Dave Willis on June 26, 2014, 07:12:43 pm

Title: Three storeys trad?
Post by: Dave Willis on June 26, 2014, 07:12:43 pm
Guy in town cleaning from a ladder three storeys. Is he doing anything wrong or can he do what he likes if self employed?
Title: Re: Three storeys trad?
Post by: Richard Neal on June 26, 2014, 07:20:48 pm
If he's trad without wfp in his van then yes of course he can, a lot around my way do 3 storey off of a triple ladder, I never would.
Title: Re: Three storeys trad?
Post by: brynley on June 26, 2014, 07:36:43 pm
I have previously done a  3 storey off a ladder, but only when the job was all on grass and the ladder was under the sill and going no where, I only do jobs that I feel safe, normally I don't do them.
Title: Re: Three storeys trad?
Post by: duncan h on June 26, 2014, 08:10:00 pm
I thought I would start by taking the 3 stories. Thinking I wouldn't be treading on the trad guys work. They all do 3 story off ladders. So screw them all, canvass the lot. Wouldn't get me up that high. I thought 6 metres was the max height they could work at
Title: Re: Three storeys trad?
Post by: Susan Dean (1stclean) on June 26, 2014, 09:13:57 pm
theres a guy in Colchester that does this even seen him stood on the second off last step !!!! hanging on  to the gutter so he doesn't fall !

so after having a long chat with the owner of the said company about the duty of care law , and a good old under cut on the price ive now got the work  ;D  on one hand ive took money out of his pocket but with the other hand ive saved his life  ;D
Title: Re: Three storeys trad?
Post by: 8weekly on June 26, 2014, 09:16:56 pm
theres a guy in Colchester that does this even seen him stood on the second off last step !!!! hanging on  to the gutter so he doesn't fall !

so after having a long chat with the owner of the said company about the duty of care law , and a good old under cut on the price ive now got the work  ;D  on one hand ive took money out of his pocket but with the other hand ive saved his life  ;D
Oh well done.  :-\
Title: Re: Three storeys trad?
Post by: Paul T on June 26, 2014, 09:21:52 pm
I bet he don't see it like that
Title: Re: Three storeys trad?
Post by: Susan Dean (1stclean) on June 26, 2014, 09:25:30 pm
I bet he don't see it like that

that's what the free market is all about , you win some and lose some
Title: Re: Three storeys trad?
Post by: PoleKing on June 26, 2014, 09:34:15 pm
theres a guy in Colchester that does this even seen him stood on the second off last step !!!! hanging on  to the gutter so he doesn't fall !

so after having a long chat with the owner of the said company about the duty of care law , and a good old under cut on the price ive now got the work  ;D  on one hand ive took money out of his pocket but with the other hand ive saved his life  ;D

Probably wouldnt've needed to undercut...
Title: Re: Three storeys trad?
Post by: Richard Neal on June 26, 2014, 09:49:41 pm
I bet he don't see it like that

that's what the free market is all about , you win some and lose some

I'll go and under cut you then :)
Title: Re: Three storeys trad?
Post by: Susan Dean (1stclean) on June 26, 2014, 10:11:05 pm
I bet he don't see it like that

that's what the free market is all about , you win some and lose some

I'll go and under cut you then :)

cool ive been under cutting you for weeks  ;D

he was charging a lot of money and it was far to much ! so went in at what I we would be happy to clean at , which was lower then he was charging wasn't a intended undercut ,

 that came from the half price carpet cleaning they will get as a reg window cleaning customer lol
Title: Re: Three storeys trad?
Post by: Tom White on June 26, 2014, 10:14:43 pm
Three-storey work off ladders = hard work and time consuming.

Three-story work with wfp = easy peasy and quick.

Of course we can charge less for this kind of work and still make a very good hourly rate.  This should be an incentive to trad window cleaners to make the move.

And of course, as almost a fringe benefit, it's a heck of a lot safer.
Title: Re: Three storeys trad?
Post by: Susan Dean (1stclean) on June 26, 2014, 10:29:00 pm
Three-storey work off ladders = hard work and time consuming.

Three-story work with wfp = easy peasy and quick.

Of course we can charge less for this kind of work and still make a very good hourly rate.  This should be an incentive to trad window cleaners to make the move.

And of course, as almost a fringe benefit, it's a heck of a lot safer.

for him and his employer tosh , I would like to see which way a court would go under the duty of care law ? if he fall off and killed himself , if the owner of the company knew there was a safer way of cleaning the windows would he then be at wrong for not going with the safer way ?
Title: Re: Three storeys trad?
Post by: G Griffin on June 26, 2014, 11:06:00 pm
theres a guy in Colchester that does this even seen him stood on the second off last step !!!! hanging on  to the gutter so he doesn't fall !
I do that. Do the windows and a gutter clean at the same time.
Title: Re: Three storeys trad?
Post by: Richard Neal on June 27, 2014, 06:59:27 am
I bet he don't see it like that

that's what the free market is all about , you win some and lose some

I'll go and under cut you then :)

cool ive been under cutting you for weeks  ;D

he was charging a lot of money and it was far to much ! so went in at what I we would be happy to clean at , which was lower then he was charging wasn't a intended undercut ,

 that came from the half price carpet cleaning they will get as a reg window cleaning customer lol

There's a couple of cleaners I see down Lethe grove off beerchurch that clean all of the flats off ladders, there's no way I would do them.
Title: Re: Three storeys trad?
Post by: Dave Willis on June 27, 2014, 07:35:53 am
Kind of makes the health and safety law a bit of an arse surely?

My customers think I use wfp because health and safety prevents ladder use. I even explain the reason I squirt their windows is because I'm not supposed to be up ladders anymore, then they see a guy three storeys up cleaning, the insulation guys drilling up to the gable ends, gutter installers working off ladders - has the law changed recently have guidelines been relaxed?

I was chatting to a guy yesterday cleaning fascia boards down (with a paint brush) he said he loved ladders. 78 years old!
Title: Re: Three storeys trad?
Post by: Window Lickers on June 27, 2014, 09:39:44 am
There's a guy works down the chip shop swears he's Elvis.
Title: Re: Three storeys trad?
Post by: Dave Willis on June 27, 2014, 02:51:45 pm
Might be the same guy.
Title: Re: Three storeys trad?
Post by: Johnboy2525 on June 27, 2014, 03:39:57 pm
Susan bit out of order poaching in someone's work
Ill pop to Colchester and surrounding areas and under cut you and nick ya work how about that then !!!!
Title: Re: Three storeys trad?
Post by: jimiwindows on June 27, 2014, 03:57:46 pm
theres a guy in Colchester that does this even seen him stood on the second off last step !!!! hanging on  to the gutter so he doesn't fall !

so after having a long chat with the owner of the said company about the duty of care law , and a good old under cut on the price ive now got the work  ;D  on one hand ive took money out of his pocket but with the other hand ive saved his life  ;D

GRASS
Title: Re: Three storeys trad?
Post by: Paul Coleman on June 27, 2014, 05:01:05 pm
I've done triple storey flats from a ladder before.  It was a regular job.  I stopped doing it about 1999/2000.  My understanding was that the law changed to outlaw this even before the big WAHD change in 2005.  Mind you, I drew the line when someone from a block across the road wanted me to set up my ladder on top of a garage roof to reach her top floor windows.  She was really miffed too when I refused.