Clean It Up
UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Carpet Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Darren O on June 24, 2014, 01:42:04 pm
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Just seen Solutions new machine on Cleantalk looks a bit dated for a new machine.
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looks better then the smelly ones before anyway
once it can be fully drained then it will be a big success for them ;D
a bit like the small alltecs and airfles mini shape
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Looks like they have made another Airflex - now how long ago as that first made........!?
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Why would they want to improve on the jaguar? Is it not the most powerful extractor on the market? And why change the design, the customer does not care what the machine looks like.
I've not seen it but how heavy is it? The jaguar was made of a lightweight plastic for ease of lifting.
Seams they are going backwards instead advancing with thier design
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Lot of machines look the same from the outside, its the inside which counts. I think what makes this different is that you can go on a service plan, I think its something like £28 + vat per month and every six months send the working parts back, from what i understand you can easily remove this section in 10 minutes. In effect you get a new machine every six months so do not have to worry about machine breaking down as it gets older. I know a smoe of you on here like to bash Solutions but this does sound like a good proposition and i might well consider one when i look at replacing or moving on from my current machine, Airflex Storm, as it is coming up to 3 years old.
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Mike - i completely see where you are coming from on this one and agree. All the positives sold for the Jag & Scorpion have been taken away and yet we were all told they were better machines for that!?
As regards stripping the vacs out every 6 months and paying over £400 a year with VAT for the honour - why? It doesnt make economic sense or time sense - a machine looked after with just common sense wont cost you that a year and if they are so easy to take out (just like the Airflex) why not just replace them as needed and save the cost and agro.
The maintenance plan and sign writing is what is drawing you and thats what its all suppose to do - so what if your machine is 3 years old? A new one thats not sucking or spraying any harder wont make a jot of difference on your jobs and until its proven why make the expense?
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I saw it on the cleantalk forum, it's been a poorly guarded secret since stuart showed us a pic last year, it's a great idea to have a maintenance plan providing that the cleaner does their part of the agreement and the manufacturer keeps theirs the machine should last a life time a bit like Triggers broom.
Perhaps they could make truckmounts that way also.
Shaun
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Why would they want to improve on the jaguar? Is it not the most powerful extractor on the market? And why change the design, the customer does not care what the machine looks like.
I've not seen it but how heavy is it? The jaguar was made of a lightweight plastic for ease of lifting.
Seams they are going backwards instead advancing with thier design
Im sure it had their hearts broke with various issues behind the scenes .
Colin Day must be demented having his head stuck in that waste tank for years .
Cant get a right look at the new one ... looks interesting anyway . The two tubes down the back ? Think they should have included top loading wheels , cant see them at least . Looks ok generally .
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As far as I understand the motors and pumps that are returned are then reconditioned and fitted to the next customer. I don't think you reciever brand new items.
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Does this mean that the Jaguar that they keep saying is the best thing since sliced bread is no more? I think i'll stick with my Airflex Turbo, over 3 years old and still going strong, i've only replaced 1 vac and rebuilt the pump once myself. I'm no mathmetician but that a hell of a lot cheaper than they are charging.
BTW it just looks like an Alltec to me!!
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I'm surprised Ed Valentine hasn't commented yet, he's usually on the ball when Solutions are mentioned, telling us what honourable guys they are and how he invented .... Errr everything ;)
Is this one of Eds machines?
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I don't think nick is cutting ed out of the loop but if I was in a similar position then I would want to sell my own machine as there will be more mark up on it as in theory it's the same machine.
Here's a pic
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It aint new I say the said machine three years ago
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i am surprised that solutions are selling a machine that looks so much like the air flex, especially after all that was said when comparing it to the jag.
as for speculating that chalky may or may not have taken ed valentine out of the loop well !! it would not be the first time he has left people wondering if he has been entirely honest and straight up with people who have been involved in helping him with his business.
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How much Does it have a heater how many motors pump size
In total if you leased purchase the machine plus Service Costs How much a Month
The actual Cost to the Business Even if you bought it out Right By the time you have taken into account cost of taking the money out of business ie less working capital Costs would be similiar per month.
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I think you are being too tedious ian, whether you lease it or get a loan or purchase out right somewhere you will have earned or have to earn it.
It's more or less a physical warranty if it catches on only time will tell.
Shaun
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I'm surprised Ed Valentine hasn't commented yet, he's usually on the ball when Solutions are mentioned, telling us what honourable guys they are and how he invented .... Errr everything ;)
Is this one of Eds machines?
No not one Ed's machines, British built and designed and has been 3 years in development.
From Nick's announcement
available in 50 litre capacity
i-Xtract 1.0 2 x 2 stage 5.7 vacuum motors.350 psi pump
i-Xtract 2.0 2 x 3 stage 5.7 vacuum motors.400 psi pump
i-Xtract 3.0 2 x 2 stage 6.6 high performance vacuum motors. 800 psi pump
i-Xtreme 2 x 2 stage 6.6 high performance vacuum motors. 800 psi pump, with auto feed and auto dump
10" stair climbing wheels
Easy loading wheels
EMS "Easy Maintenance System"
This is covered under an annual maintenance agreement, every 6 months we will exchange all working components of the machine you have only a 10 minute switch over to your new unit, with vacs pump, reg valve, power cords plugs, electrics all being changed. Monthly fee applies minimum terms 12 months. Transport also covered under the EMS agreement.
I believe Nick has no plans to stop selling the Jag either.
Hope this helps. :)
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would love to know the weight of it, not just a few weeks ago Nick posted on CT when someone was buying an Enforcer 'its an ok machine if you have a strong back' and yet this machine is here and follows the same designs!!
the Jag & Scorpion were so often sold on the advantage of lighter weight. Yet i owned a Scorpion for years and even though lighter, as it was longer with small, hard wheels it was a real pain to get in and out the van. Now i have the Airflex Turbo and its a doddle, yes its a bit heavier, but its shorter, very well balanced and with its bigger air type tyres/wheels it goes in the van like a piece of cake and doesnt skate all over the place when you wheel it down a path!!
and!!!! i can dump all the water from the waste tank using just the dump valve and so dont have to have a load of dirty water left in the tank between dumps!!
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I'm surprised Ed Valentine hasn't commented yet, he's usually on the ball when Solutions are mentioned, telling us what honourable guys they are and how he invented .... Errr everything ;)
Is this one of Eds machines?
No not one Ed's machines, British built and designed and has been 3 years in development.
From Nick's announcement
available in 50 litre capacity
i-Xtract 1.0 2 x 2 stage 5.7 vacuum motors.350 psi pump
i-Xtract 2.0 2 x 3 stage 5.7 vacuum motors.400 psi pump
i-Xtract 3.0 2 x 2 stage 6.6 high performance vacuum motors. 800 psi pump
i-Xtreme 2 x 2 stage 6.6 high performance vacuum motors. 800 psi pump, with auto feed and auto dump
10" stair climbing wheels
Easy loading wheels
EMS "Easy Maintenance System"
This is covered under an annual maintenance agreement, every 6 months we will exchange all working components of the machine you have only a 10 minute switch over to your new unit, with vacs pump, reg valve, power cords plugs, electrics all being changed. Monthly fee applies minimum terms 12 months. Transport also covered under the EMS agreement.
I believe Nick has no plans to stop selling the Jag either.
Hope this helps. :)
It would be nice to think the first one i-extract 1.0 has the high performance electro two stages ... but i'd have my doubts . I cant think why otherwise anyone would fit regular 5.7 two stages inplace of three stages .. there is just no reason , even cost would be minimal ???
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would love to know the weight of it, not just a few weeks ago Nick posted on CT when someone was buying an Enforcer 'its an ok machine if you have a strong back' and yet this machine is here and follows the same designs!!
the Jag & Scorpion were so often sold on the advantage of lighter weight. Yet i owned a Scorpion for years and even though lighter, as it was longer with small, hard wheels it was a real pain to get in and out the van. Now i have the Airflex Turbo and its a doddle, yes its a bit heavier, but its shorter, very well balanced and with its bigger air type tyres/wheels it goes in the van like a piece of cake and doesnt skate all over the place when you wheel it down a path!!
and!!!! i can dump all the water from the waste tank using just the dump valve and so dont have to have a load of dirty water left in the tank between dumps!!
Very true ... Enforcer is the easiest machine i'v had to load unload ..
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and just to add - i dont put the Airflex on its back, i get the front wheels on and just lever it in - simples!!
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In the end the story will always change to suit what ever a company has to sell.
For years chemdry slagged of HWE, that was until they chucked the bonnets and started using it, then their story changed and it wasn't the devil they made out it to be.
The jaguar was the ultimate extractor, looks didn't matter, everything else was too heavy or not as powerful, but now they have a look-a-like of a machine that they said was not as good ::)roll
But let's thank them!! we needed a good topic to fire us all up :D :D
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to be fair, i am glad Nick has gone the way he has and developed a machine that is hopefully what the Jag should of been, through all the negatives of the Jag it must of been a nightmare to supply what should of been a really good machine and ultimately have been let down by the US supplier. Having the problems with it would have been hard to cope with especially when you are sort of a middle man in the chain as even so, the buck will stop with you. I wish him luck and hope the new machine proves he is the innovation leader always proclaimed to be.
taking the supply over yourself is a better option and maybe the new machine will have some developments that others will be able to implement - or maybe not, but atleast Nick will be in control of the machine.
would be nice to see Ed come on and comment on the fact his UK distributor has turned direction to what must eventually lead to the line dropped by Solutions to just a parts supply - who will be buying a Jag from Nick now?
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I wonder if they'll bring out a booster vac they seem to be en vogue I think for the money I'd buy a booster if I went back to a potable.
Shaun
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to be fair, i am glad Nick has gone the way he has and developed a machine that is hopefully what the Jag should of been, through all the negatives of the Jag it must of been a nightmare to supply what should of been a really good machine and ultimately have been let down by the US supplier. Having the problems with it would have been hard to cope with especially when you are sort of a middle man in the chain as even so, the buck will stop with you. I wish him luck and hope the new machine proves he is the innovation leader always proclaimed to be.
taking the supply over yourself is a better option and maybe the new machine will have some developments that others will be able to implement - or maybe not, but atleast Nick will be in control of the machine.
I truly believe this machine is a hunk of junk! Three years in the making ? Looks like its been through in half an hour! Look at the dump valve? Looks like it could snap off quite easily if k ocked into somthing! The cheap plastic vacume recovery barb!cant see that lasting long!
would be nice to see Ed come on and comment on the fact his UK distributor has turned direction to what must eventually lead to the line dropped by Solutions to just a parts supply - who will be buying a Jag from Nick now?
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Looks like a hunk of junk to me, cheap plastic vacume intake, cant see that lasting long ! The way the dump valve petrudes from the front of the machine, can see that snapping off when knocked and why is the solution pump out at the back of the machine ?
Nick wasn't let down by a US supplier I think its the other way round to be honest, I dont know a manufacturer that is nicer and more reputable than Ed Valentine
just a great pity he chose Nick White to be his uk distributer, who has very little respect from carpet cleaners up and down the country!
Had he chosen the likes of JK I think it would of been an entirely different situation
stuart
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I'm not sure about the clear plastic inlet but I'm not buying one so I'll let others decide first appearances can be deceiving.
Shaun
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but Stuart - wasnt the Jag you bought shipped from the US and so is their design/manufacture?
i think Ed is a very well trained charmer, he charms himself out of trouble and it works!!
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No, I had one of the early Jags, but I got a Scorpion that was made specialy for me !
Think you might have got mixed up with that
stuart
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Looks like a hunk of junk to me, cheap plastic vacume intake, cant see that lasting long ! The way the dump valve petrudes from the front of the machine, can see that snapping off when knocked and why is the solution pump out at the back of the machine ?
Nick wasn't let down by a US supplier I think its the other way round to be honest, I dont know a manufacturer that is nicer and more reputable than Ed Valentine
just a great pity he chose Nick White to be his uk distributer, who has very little respect from carpet cleaners up and down the country!
Had he chosen the likes of JK I think it would of been an entirely different situation
stuart
Stuart ... with respect i think your opinion is blinkered by your misguided loyalty :D
99% of owners found issues with that machine from the waste tank not emptying , the floats not working right , ingress the waste tank capacity used , issues with the pumpout filter , the pumpout not keeping up , cooling issues yet no effort to fit fans , general build ( the back lawnmower wheels cost about $5) maneuverability ( couldn't drop it down a step with rubbing something on the back ) stair climbing ...forget it ...
As far i could see solutions had to take these in and retrofit various fixes at their time and expense .
ED.V has never acknowledged the suggestions and feedback from owners ... a typical reply to a complaint would be ' we sold one last week to guy and he didnt complain ' There has never been any effort or desire as far as i can see to by CA to make an improved product . If the old one still sold then it was a ' success '
As far as nice and reputable ... Every one of the USA board owners at some time has called his machines Junk . and Ed.V takes to the forums at any opportunity to rubbish other manufactures , Mytee in the US has a run of failed rocker switches now fixed . He constantly takes a jab at them ' calling them ' unreliable generic squirt and sucks '
Its justice that he has being replaced by something that looks like a Mytee . :)
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First off, I do not believe that it is my duty or responsibility to reply with either or both positive, or negative comments regarding Solutions, UK machine. Way to pre-mature at this point and this should be left up to people viewing and/or operating the machines in a responsible way; not I.
In regards to John Martins ridiculous comments about myself ; what I am thinking; what we are doing or not doing; if we fix this or that, and so on is just complete Horse-Manure at its best. It is very interesting how he always seems to have the inside scoop. Kind of reminds me of reading one of those Rag Papers one picks up at the corner grocery store!-LOL
and, his comment that just about knocked me off my chair: "Every one of the USA board owners at some time has called his machines Junk"
Come on, John, get real so others reading will not get the impression that you have "other adjendas, or intentions". It doesn't help your creditability. John, if we were so bad common sense would tell anyone that we would have gone out of business some 40 years ago. Therefore try harder not to post something that YOU want to hear and hope to convince others.
Further, you saw an opportunity to batter poor Stuart above who has always had a wonderful professional reputation by posting:
"Stuart ... with respect i think your opinion is blinkered by your misguided loyalty"
I conclude by saying that it would not matter John if I posted great comments from happy customers, or if someone such as Stuart commented one time in a positive way about myself or my company because you sir, have a history of spewing negative disgusting comments period.
Gee's give everyone a break. I am sure you are much better than that sir.
Or, aren't you? :'(
Now, I am more than sure you will immediately follow with more negative spewing.-LOL!
Best to all; (ps: Learned this in class too!-LOL)
Ed Valentine
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to be fair Ed, John's post was very to the point and harsh! however i think it addressed a lot of valid points and again to be fair your politician type response again just fudges around the issues raised without addressing any of them, which was my point.
the problems like this arise when we are sold products and over promised or to some point scammed and then later down the line with more experience and time under our belts we then realize it. It then comes out and what in fact we are trying to do is pass on our experience and knowledge to other people who are maybe starting out in the industry so they dont get fooled into similar things and question what they are being told/sold.
so many suppliers tell us how successful they were at cleaning and how easy it is but weirdly now supply instead of making their fortunes as they so obviously were on the tools!
unfortunately in this industry we are often sold things at much higher rates than we should - things are rebadged as our industry specific and sold at a premium - Sodium Percarbonate is a classic example, that is rebadged by so many and sold to us as something unique very often at nearly 10 times what you can pay for it from a local store.
new starters are targetted by suppliers as their 'greeness' is ideal - sometimes though that can back fire when that 'greeness' wears off and you realise some of what you have been told is just pure bull manure!!
my advice is dont spin, tell it how it is and drop the scripts - many of us have been around too long not to spot it after a while!
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Well, this is all very entertaining isn't it? What started out as generall discussion about a new machine has turned into a full blown mud pie flinging contest.
Chaps, we're all grown ups (most of us anyway) and can have our own opinions. Whether you like or dislike this machine or that machine makes no difference. As business owners we will "try out" before we buy and base our decission on how we rate the performance. For example, go into any Ford dealer's and ask "whats the best car I can buy for my money"? I'm willing to bet they won't tell you not to buy a ford.
It doesn't assist anyone, new or experienced, to have to trawl through all these personal opinions about one person or another.
And before you start on me, I don't have any allegiance to any supplier. I don't mind where I get ri[pped off as long as they do it with a smile ;D
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I'm willing to bet they won't tell you not to buy a ford.
.. also, they will not tell you: "... do not buy VW, mercedes etc, these are over-rated, our ford has special mods done that over perform all our competition...", as it could be not professional!!!
Adrian all the "full blown" at any time, is not about the machines only, it is about all what WOC/CT is saying/doing about that or this.
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i beg to differ Adi, many a time before a purchase be it for business or personal use i have done my research and been well to do so by obtaining a lot of good info from forums and feedback. Yes, you have to cherry pick your info, but love it or hate it, the internet has provided us all with an opinion and a way to feedback, gone are the days when any business can fudge its way through - ours included. Word of mouth, feedback and testimonials or the fear of them keep us all on our toes and in turn make the experience for the customer a safer and better one. Buying off a shop on ebay can actually be better than ordering off their website nowadays as they can give better service due to the feedback system - again love it or hate it, its not going to change.
i am sure you arent backward in coming forward about positive things said about your business by way of testimonials etc - all based purely on that customers personal experience with you. And on the other side of the coin, we all also have to deal with the negatives when things go wrong whether our fault or not to manage damage limitation.
my point is we are all fed up with politicians and their baloney and its not best practice to turn into one!!
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It doesn't assist anyone, new or experienced, to have to trawl through all these personal opinions about one person or another.
Chaps ;D Opinions about a machine are one thing, personal attacks are another. Positive or negative "feedback" to any business is, or should be, welcome. This tells us how we're doing. I would be less inclined to buy from any supplier who's owner indulged in on-line "banter". I would question their ethics and maturity.
I'm a great believer in what goes around comes around. Broad shouldered or not, if we engage in on-line abuse we should not be too surprised if, one day, that abuse is redirected in a direction we would not enjoy.
Carry on with your debate ;)
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trouble is Adi what you are saying is simply your opinion - just like everyone else's on an open forum and like i say - its up to the reader to decide on what to use and what not to
i dont see abuse on this thread - some comments have been harsh but sometimes the truth is
i am afraid its apparent people are indeed fickle and do indeed have alliances that can change with the direction of the wind by the looks of it
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I don't think nick is cutting ed out of the loop but if I was in a similar position then I would want to sell my own machine as there will be more mark up on it as in theory it's the same machine.
Here's a pic
Shaun or anyone else , would u have the pic of the back for non members :)
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This one?
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This one?
yes , certainly an odd design ...
Geared towards the maintenance plan i suppose .
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very very odddddd
why would you follow the same stupid ideas
outside piping, buttons on the bottom, also cabels to be hanging on the side of the machine what will not help with transport in the van.
Some people never learn. Spend 3 years designing? No way unless you are f... moron. 3 years collecting budget for it I say.
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Ed V starting manufacturing the recoil and then the Scorpion primarily for the US market and most business owners had them truck mounted, hence the way the buttons are at the bottom of the machine
John Martin
I am not blinkered by Eds charm nore Iam easily ledI've been in this business twenty five years in two weeks time and Ive gone through a few machines to say the least, I cant think of one uk machine that was fitted with 6.6 motors that hasn't had issues certainly to start with ! I loved my jag, it to me was an up graded scorpy that I love, To be honest if somone else was selling the jag other than Mr W
I would buy another one tomorow! To me its still the best , most powerful , lightest and useable machine, yes it doesn't have the best vacume shut off in the world, but the recovery tank is translucent and you can clearly see the dirty water rising in the tank, I couldnt care less if I have to tip the last remainder recovery water from the side of the machine , its hardly a chore is it ?
The Storm looks like a good machine , but does nothing my scorpion already does apart from being a good bit heavier, The Altec is equally as good but much heavier , but the new Solutions machine dosent compare to any of the above! Imo it looks cheap and throughn together and even if it was being sold by another supplier I wouldnt consider it to be an upgrade option
Stuart
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Buttons on the bottom are not better then on the top unless you are 100cm tall :) most guys using it in premises, not on the van, what happening in USA is happening in USA not in UK or EU. I have my airflex mounted on the van (even with the back side torned to me) and have no problem to reach the buttons at all (most of the time do not even need as it has remote).
This time buttons are on the bottom on the back of the machine, and be smart now keeping it mounted on the van. :)
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Radek
I diddnt say they were better, my first scorpy has the buttons changed to the top between the handle, I was merely saying that in the US most guys use them on there van and then they are waist level
stuart
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you will have to excuse Radek, Stuart... when anyone has a go at Solutions, he is always in such a hurry to jump on the bandwagon that his big toes move faster than his brain, and hence the words he types are all a jumble. He also doesn't read what other people put.... One day he will learn deductive reasoning..... but then again?
;)
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Radek
I diddnt say they were better, my first scorpy has the buttons changed to the top between the handle, I was merely saying that in the US most guys use them on there van and then they are waist level
stuart
Sure.... but you said "hence the way....." so, we are uk market and when nick come with usa ideas then is nothing good about it. So i said a bit more thats all.
Hector and no worries, will not dissappoint you in futher also :)
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Come on then Radek how about Polish ideas are they any bettrr ? Lol
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Come on then Radek how about Polish ideas are they any bettrr ? Lol
Seriously?!
90% of cc in poland use karchers :) for real.
It is due economics, 90% of appartment job etc.
Who cares whats in other countries.
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Switches on the top or the bottom.
Perhaps the answer is to have two sets of switches wired in parallel so you get the best of both worlds. You could then use either, depending on van mounting or being a munchkin. A small extra cost against the cost of a whole machine probably.
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I've never used either of my too truck mounted but if I did, mounting the switches at the bottom ie waist hight wkuld of been a good idea ! My first Scorp was converted and had the switches but in a box between the handle, I've left the second scorp as it is, its hardky a problem though is it ?
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I would say mounting switches down the bottom is nothing to do with convenience or ergonomics ... its all to with manufacturing cost .
Look at a machine like the Enforcer ... it has to have a chamber designed into the water tank to hold the switch panel and an internal conduit route from that to the bottom ... there is the expense of extra wire and a panel for the switches .
On the other hand mounting the switches at the bottom on the motor section requires just drilling a couple of holes or mounting a plate and the water tank can be a cheaper design .
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Thanks go to John Martin for explaining the real reasons. Please disregard what the honorable Stuart Clarke mentioned as a user of the equipment.
John, you're the best..............let's leave it at that.
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hang on here have I missed something ????
is this the same guy (nick) that banned people off he fourm and give it large about how cold water was the best , until he went skint and got bailed out by john gotts who made his money out of hwe !!!
so not only as he made a right fool out of himself and what he preached , once bailed out and saved from the dole que via us truckmounters hes now largeing it up about hwe ????
for that reason I am out
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Thanks for explaining John.
It makes sense that mounting them at the top would be more expensive than at the bottom. Obviously the cost saving is bigger than I thought.
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and the saving isn't exactly passed on to the customer :D
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Nick supplied the Scorpion from the US manufacturer. The Scorpion was and is a good machine, i believe an industry leader in its day and although not perfect, no machine ever is.
Now with all things considered including budgets, instead of being able to launch his own machine to move forward, Nick decided to supply the US made machine which updated the Scorpion. As a business decision, that was sound and was with all intents and purpose the right move. It had all the things needed - brand new motors, pressure gauge, lightweight, pump in/out and a good price - all specs good and us being in his shoes i think we would of made the same decision. The Scorpion was reliable and there was nothing other than the motors which were a little untried that would suggest the Jag would be anything but reliable again.
Then the Jag came out and had problems which IMO should have never been there before releasing it to suppliers like Nick. This opened up a whole nightmare of reliability issues which Nick had to put right to manage damage limitation and help his customers. Yes there was some spin involved with marketing these as upgrades but put in the same position fighting to hold onto reputation and customer retention, we would all of had to do the same.
My point was always that even though Nick took the brunt of flack for it as he would as the supplier, it was in fact him being let down by the initial manufacture and fighting his way out of it and for all my differences with Nick (which i have spoken to him directly about!) i applaud him for having the balls to put up the cash and launch his own machine. It is the positive way forward for Solutions and having the maintenance program with it will mean peace of mind for any one wanting to pay the monthly amount for the offset of not worrying about maintaining the machine themselves to some extent.
One post compared it to cars, if you buy a Japanese car that has inherent faults, the garage cops the flack when its been let down by manufacture and this is the same.
By producing his own machine, atleast Nick can manage any flack safe in the knowledge it does genuinely belong at his doorstep or indeed sit back and reap the endorsements if that turns out to be the case.
If Nick does one thing well it is to scrutinize products and reproduce them in a better format, so it wouldnt surprise me if thats whats happened here and the new machines turn out to be excellent little suckers.
Obviously this is all simply my opnion ;D, and i think the positive upshot from it all is in our industry we now have all the major players in the UK making their own UK made machines and in this day and age, its great to be in a position where we can genuinely use our own countries tackle and start to lead the way hopefully (even though i know the guts will all be foreign made >:()
I hope none of that is seen as abuse and clarifies what i was trying to say.
Now we just need a decent International football team ;D
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That, CleanerCarpets, is an excellent post.
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That, CleanerCarpets, is an excellent post.
+1 sensible post
David
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Build and quality wise it looks realy poor compared to the airflex and enforcer but he will probably sell a few on cleantalk.
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I think you have a great football team
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Forgot ;D ;D ;D
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Jason ( cleaner carpets) I think that post spells out an awful lot of the truth and hope it dispels some of the flack directed at solutions in the past.
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Ok. For those of us not in on the secret, who is "Cleaner Carpets". I know a few Jasons, but which one is this?
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;)
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Guys
You should watch this video and you might understand that you dont like what Nick stands for and its really transference. for me he is a great marketer reinventing his proposition and cleantalk shows how to use a forum to sell.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmTUW-owa2w
cant believe i listened to all that :-\
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I cant believe if anyone is daft enought to buy the new machine
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I cant believe if anyone is daft enought to buy the new machine
It should probably be given a chance ...
To explain it self at least . Are the stacks external for a specific reason ... increased tank capacity ? something to do with their intake baffle ? .... are the switches down the bottom something to do with the quick service change etc ...
A few unknowns at this stage ... but if its just built cheap and they talk up the performance etc , people will see through that .
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A few more pictures would be good. But from would I can see it looks a cheap basic design.
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Our doubts are traitors
and make us lose the good we oft might win
by fearing to attempt
A great saying from the great William Shakespeare
Give credit to Nick for attempting something new, to make an informed decision on any new product at least get the full facts before you can come to a conclusion.
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So you don't know either then? ;)
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Put me down as confused........ ;) ;D
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I personally think there are four good machines out there at the moment
This new Solutions machine is nothing new, it looks cheap, I dont think a lot of thought has gone into it
and the only real potential customers are in fact very Pro Solutions customers, I think Nick will still sell the Jag as it is a proven machine, I thi k if he lets it go and Ed finds a different uk supplier he will be hitting the self distruct button, but history shows us he has dones things like this in the past
stuart
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Lol .. almost choked on my wrap when i read the new machines performance figures posted by the Nick guy .
Its business as usual over there , its a culture of dishonesty and deceit , its not gonna change .
Is it some deliberate attempt to be controversial or an attempt to fool the captive audience of CT ... i dont know .
His claimed performance or the 6.6 parallel twinvac is ...
372CFM and 13.7 HG
The real figure would be around 270cfm and 10hg
This video shows the real performance of a twin 6.6 machine ... its right what you expect as if you add up the manufactures motor figures you can predict the performance .
The machine body itself can not increase performance ...it can only decrease it from the theoretical prediction .
The video is of the Jaguar ... the machine solutions used to sell .
Skip to 4.00 min for the testing ( Stuart will probably watch it all :D )
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GD-sRySlSkU
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Put me down as confused........ ;) ;D
Hmm. Should I be taking a new look at this perhaps? ;D
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Can someone post the pictures.
I dont see the machine on WOC and for obvious reasons I am not allowed to register on CT.
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Can someone post the pictures.
I dont see the machine on WOC and for obvious reasons I am not allowed to register on CT.
Shaun posted two pics on this thread ... page one and page two .
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if you can not read CT then visit as a guest using the web proxy
(http://oi62.tinypic.com/sg4eh1.jpg)
(http://oi60.tinypic.com/198k8i.jpg)
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Thanks. Looks tidy enough. What is capacity of solution/waste.
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So have you got to pour in the water between the handle ?
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So have you got to pour in the water between the handle ?
After 3 years designing? No way.
There must be a funnel in the package. :)
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I'm glad I'm truck mounted.
Shaun
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What about your cleaning machine Shaun??
;D ;D
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Doesn't look that great
Location of switches etc not great.
Carcass wise, not a huge leap from the like of the ninja body.
The enforcer seems to me to be the best as far as user friendly design and performance go.
Then again, although ashbys are not to everyone's liking, I think the new enforcer is the apple mac of the porty world.
Bold statement but credit to Derek where it's due.
Mr B
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Mr B
Your blowing smoke! come on admit it you have placed an order for one :'( :-*
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The best looking machine IMO is the alltec one looks as though it's built to last, enforcer looks good but I'm not a great believer in ashbys service although they do have some great unique products.
I've had a jag and it worked very well I just didn't use it much and I had no room for it on the van it was light weight but the tanks although fixed did move around when lifting it up and down.
Shaun
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First two people to buy an i-extreme .
Contact me and i will buy you a new lift gauge from ebay and have it sent to you provided you post a picture :)
there is some moronic nonsense talked about motors on that site ... the wainwright guy is another one .. wouldn't have him teaching kindergarden .
The sudden rise in HG nonsense is more than likely an attempt to finally bury the Jag .
We can sell you an i-extreme .... or the less powerful Jag ... what will the punter choose .
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Mr B
Your blowing smoke! come on admit it you have placed an order for one :'( :-*
I'm ready to buy......ja get me?
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First two people to buy an i-extreme .
Contact me and i will buy you a new lift gauge from ebay and have it sent to you provided you post a picture :)
there is some moronic nonsense talked about motors on that site ... the wainwright guy is another one .. wouldn't have him teaching kindergarden .
The sudden rise in HG nonsense is more than likely an attempt to finally bury the Jag .
We can sell you an i-extreme .... or the less powerful Jag ... what will the punter choose .
There you go. In my van and ready for work in the morning.
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Try again!
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looks like you have an ebay purchase to make John!!
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First two people to buy an i-extreme .
Contact me and i will buy you a new lift gauge from ebay and have it sent to you provided you post a picture :)
there is some moronic nonsense talked about motors on that site ... the wainwright guy is another one .. wouldn't have him teaching kindergarden .
The sudden rise in HG nonsense is more than likely an attempt to finally bury the Jag .
We can sell you an i-extreme .... or the less powerful Jag ... what will the punter choose .
There you go. In my van and ready for work in the morning.
sincerely , best of luck with it .
Let us know how its going for you ...
do you an email address /contact details if u want your gauge :)
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There is one born every minute
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First two people to buy an i-extreme .
Contact me and i will buy you a new lift gauge from ebay and have it sent to you provided you post a picture :)
there is some moronic nonsense talked about motors on that site ... the wainwright guy is another one .. wouldn't have him teaching kindergarden .
The sudden rise in HG nonsense is more than likely an attempt to finally bury the Jag .
We can sell you an i-extreme .... or the less powerful Jag ... what will the punter choose .
There you go. In my van and ready for work in the morning.
sincerely , best of luck with it .
Let us know how its going for you ...
do you an email address /contact details if u want your gauge :)
I won't take you up on your offer of a gauge John. Figures and statistics have very little meaning for me. What really matters is how the machine does the job. I will know soon enough.
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Really , i would like to see the result posted so much .
I take what you say about numbers , but you wouldn't want to buy a truckmount advertised as a 25hp ... but they sell you an 18hp with a 25 sticker . Same thing .
Anyway let us know how you like it , good or bad .
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Ooh the suspense ::)roll ;)
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Elfyn
What made you get that machine over the others on the market? and how much did you pay?
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Doesn't look that great
Location of switches etc not great.
Carcass wise, not a huge leap from the like of the ninja body.
The enforcer seems to me to be the best as far as user friendly design and performance go.
Then again, although ashbys are not to everyone's liking, I think the new enforcer is the apple mac of the porty world.
Bold statement but credit to Derek where it's due.
Mr B
More like the Atari of the potty world you mean.
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tell us how you got on Elfyn - is she a great little sucker??!!
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By far the most interesting part of this thread is the YT vid I found by accident when I was (not) looking at the "Steambrite: Cross American Jaguar Overview"
Forget that one go for this one, it holds much more promise - you probably have customers where this will be useful for when you go there next:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyj-aTTCH94&feature=youtu.be
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John
yes mate I did watch the video through to the end ! LOL ;D
and I have seen the video before, but did you notice that was the old style Jag ?
The newer machine has 2inch internal smooth bore pipes and has no muffler !
Stuart
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All I got was a woman back dusting a rug with a Dyson ??? or was that the point?