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Title: Facelift Phoenix new clamps
Post by: Small but perfectley formed on June 02, 2014, 11:21:05 am
Put my new clamps on today , easy job and pole is good as new brilliant .
Thanks Mike  ;D
Title: Re: Facelift Phoenix new clamps
Post by: Smudger on June 02, 2014, 02:37:11 pm
What was wrong with the old clamps ?

Are they now self adjusting like gardiner clamps ?


Darran
Title: Re: Facelift Phoenix new clamps
Post by: craig trevain on June 02, 2014, 07:41:49 pm
Well I've had a rest from here for 3 years, and still the loaded promotion of gardiner poles are still here!!

Are the "special" fao questions still regular?

Every day we have positive feed back regarding the Phoenix pole, from our clients.
Title: Re: Facelift Phoenix new clamps
Post by: Small but perfectley formed on June 03, 2014, 07:26:51 am
The old clamps would not adjust any tighter so the pole spun
Title: Re: Facelift Phoenix new clamps
Post by: Dave Willis on June 03, 2014, 07:36:06 am
Well I've had a rest from here for 3 years, and still the loaded promotion of gardiner poles are still here!!

Are the "special" fao questions still regular?

Every day we have positive feed back regarding the Phoenix pole, from our clients.

Might be a good idea to take another three years out if you can't read properly?
The post was about how good his new clamps were.
Title: Re: Facelift Phoenix new clamps
Post by: oldman on June 03, 2014, 07:56:47 am


Are the "special" fao questions still regular?



Why?...........Are you felling a bit left-out?  ;D.
Title: Re: Facelift Phoenix new clamps
Post by: ♠Winp®oClean♠ on June 03, 2014, 08:12:10 am
Well I've had a rest from here for 3 years, and still the loaded promotion of gardiner poles are still here!!

Are the "special" fao questions still regular?

Every day we have positive feed back regarding the Phoenix pole, from our clients.

And in all this time you've still not come up with anything better? ::)roll

Just to fill you in then, in the last three years this forum hasn't had daily positive feedback for the Facelift poles, in fact it's quite rare positive feedback of these poles on here- you do the maths! ;D
Title: Re: Facelift Phoenix new clamps
Post by: oldman on June 03, 2014, 08:24:30 am

Every day we have positive feed back regarding the Phoenix pole, from our clients.


This should be in the 'JOKE' thread   ;D  ;D.
Title: Re: Facelift Phoenix new clamps
Post by: SherwoodCleaningSe on June 03, 2014, 09:25:29 am
Well I've had a rest from here for 3 years, and still the loaded promotion of gardiner poles are still here!!

Are the "special" fao questions still regular?

Every day we have positive feed back regarding the Phoenix pole, from our clients.

You were sorely missed.

Whats the difference between the old clamps compared to the new ones, or is it just that the old ones wore out.

Simon.

Title: Re: Facelift Phoenix new clamps
Post by: Knocker on June 03, 2014, 09:42:22 am
Hi Craig

In the last 3 years this forum has become the official Gardiners Fan Club, some of the guys on here even put Gardiner logos on their vans
Title: Re: Facelift Phoenix new clamps
Post by: Smudger on June 03, 2014, 09:15:32 pm
Well I've had a rest from here for 3 years, and still the loaded promotion of gardiner poles are still here!!

Are the "special" fao questions still regular?

Every day we have positive feed back regarding the Phoenix pole, from our clients.

Think you need to make 30 years away,

I was asking out of interest why the new clamps worked on an old pole ?
Is it the Phoenix clamps wear but not the pole ?
Sorry for showing some interest in the product

Darran
Title: Re: Facelift Phoenix new clamps
Post by: AuRavelling79 on June 03, 2014, 09:56:38 pm
Gotta love the Phoenix boys; if there was ever a market for a book entitled "How Not To Make Friends and How Not To Influence People" then they'd corner it!

 ;D
Title: Re: Facelift Phoenix new clamps
Post by: rosskesava on June 03, 2014, 10:00:42 pm
Gotta love the Phoenix boys; if there was ever a market for a book entitled "How Not To Make Friends and How Not To Influence People" then they'd corner it!

 ;D

Shouldn't that be "How Not To Make Friends and How To Influence People In The Wrong Way?"

 ;D
Title: Re: Facelift Phoenix new clamps
Post by: AuRavelling79 on June 03, 2014, 10:07:31 pm
Quite right Ross - my grammar and writing needs a facelift.
Title: Re: Facelift Phoenix new clamps
Post by: Mike @ Facelift on June 03, 2014, 10:09:59 pm
Thank you for those who have taken the time to give us some great feedback on the FaceLift products since we arrived back on the scene 2 years ago..

The Phoenix has done well and we are already planning some fantastic upgrades...
Title: Re: Facelift Phoenix new clamps
Post by: G Griffin on June 03, 2014, 10:13:27 pm
Well I've had a rest from here for 3 years, and still the loaded promotion of gardiner poles are still here!!
Was that rest enforced?
Like when my Uncle Reg used to go working on the oil rigs?
Title: Re: Facelift Phoenix new clamps
Post by: AuRavelling79 on June 03, 2014, 10:14:56 pm
Well I've had a rest from here for 3 years, and still the loaded promotion of gardiner poles are still here!!
Was that rest enforced?
Like when my Uncle Reg used to go working on the oil rigs?

Richy Wilts' rest was enforced.
Title: Re: Facelift Phoenix new clamps
Post by: G Griffin on June 03, 2014, 10:20:11 pm
Well I've had a rest from here for 3 years, and still the loaded promotion of gardiner poles are still here!!
Was that rest enforced?
Like when my Uncle Reg used to go working on the oil rigs?

Richy Wilts' rest was enforced.
Richy is a political prisoner, though.
Was Craig banned? It sounds familiar.
Title: Re: Facelift Phoenix new clamps
Post by: Dave Willis on June 03, 2014, 10:23:19 pm
Gardinering leave probably.
Title: Re: Facelift Phoenix new clamps
Post by: G Griffin on June 03, 2014, 10:29:19 pm
 :D
Title: Re: Facelift Phoenix new clamps
Post by: craig trevain on June 03, 2014, 10:49:08 pm
My market is aimed at people who work, so again i'm safe in the knowledge that my clients who WORK are the ones to listen too, as they are truly testing the products, as sitting on a computer throughout the day does not appeal to these industrious people.
Title: Re: Facelift Phoenix new clamps
Post by: AuRavelling79 on June 03, 2014, 10:57:32 pm
My market is aimed at people who work, so again i'm safe in the knowledge that my clients who WORK are the ones to listen too, as they are truly testing the products, as sitting on a computer throughout the day does not appeal to these industrious people.

 ::)roll
Title: Re: Facelift Phoenix new clamps
Post by: koopmaster on June 03, 2014, 11:22:11 pm
Thank you for those who have taken the time to give us some great feedback on the FaceLift products since we arrived back on the scene 2 years ago..

The Phoenix has done well and we are already planning some fantastic upgrades...
What upgrade?

self adjusting clamps?
better end cap?
clamps that stay on?

thats all I can think off. 
Title: Re: Facelift Phoenix new clamps
Post by: rosskesava on June 03, 2014, 11:24:15 pm
My market is aimed at people who work, so again i'm safe in the knowledge that my clients who WORK are the ones to listen too, as they are truly testing the products, as sitting on a computer throughout the day does not appeal to these industrious people.

 ::)roll

Yes, well, errrr, erm.

Sorry Craig, but you have proved a point there entirely.

So are you saying that window cleaners like me don't WORK, notice the capitals as per your posting, or that somehow how you come across doesn't matter or affect your business?

Also, so I sit on a computer all day?

And I'm not industrious?

So you here with me 24 hours a day?

Sorry mate, after reading what you wrote above I now wouldn't bother to think about buying a facelift pole.

Title: Re: Facelift Phoenix new clamps
Post by: ben M on June 03, 2014, 11:26:46 pm
My market is aimed at people who work, so again i'm safe in the knowledge that my clients who WORK are the ones to listen too, as they are truly testing the products, as sitting on a computer throughout the day does not appeal to these industrious people.

 ::)roll

Yes, well, errrr, erm.

Sorry Craig, but you have proved a point there entirely.

So are you saying that window cleaners like me don't WORK, notice the capitals as per your posting, or that somehow how you come across doesn't matter or affect your business?

Also, so I sit on a computer all day?

And I'm not industrious?

So you here with me 24 hours a day?

Sorry mate, after reading what you wrote above I now wouldn't bother to think about buying a facelift pole.


+1 who are you Craig?
Title: Re: Facelift Phoenix new clamps
Post by: ♠Winp®oClean♠ on June 03, 2014, 11:29:57 pm
My market is aimed at people who work, so again i'm safe in the knowledge that my clients who WORK are the ones to listen too, as they are truly testing the products, as sitting on a computer throughout the day does not appeal to these industrious people.

 ::)roll

Yes, well, errrr, erm.

Sorry Craig, but you have proved a point there entirely.

So are you saying that window cleaners like me don't WORK, notice the capitals as per your posting, or that somehow how you come across doesn't matter or affect your business?

Also, so I sit on a computer all day?

And I'm not industrious?

So you here with me 24 hours a day?

Sorry mate, after reading what you wrote above I now wouldn't bother to think about buying a facelift pole.


+1 who are you Craig?

He's just another "Gardiner success" wannabe!! ;D
Title: Re: Facelift Phoenix new clamps
Post by: PoleKing on June 03, 2014, 11:35:14 pm
My market is aimed at people who work, so again i'm safe in the knowledge that my clients who WORK are the ones to listen too, as they are truly testing the products, as sitting on a computer throughout the day does not appeal to these industrious people.

Lol.
Alex is logged on here almost constantly during the day.
He isn't successful in any way, is he? ::)roll
Title: Re: Facelift Phoenix new clamps
Post by: ben M on June 03, 2014, 11:37:16 pm
My market is aimed at people who work, so again i'm safe in the knowledge that my clients who WORK are the ones to listen too, as they are truly testing the products, as sitting on a computer throughout the day does not appeal to these industrious people.

Mod note: Swearing is not allowed on the forum.
Title: Re: Facelift Phoenix new clamps
Post by: PoleKing on June 03, 2014, 11:39:54 pm
My market is aimed at people who work, so again i'm safe in the knowledge that my clients who WORK are the ones to listen too, as they are truly testing the products, as sitting on a computer throughout the day does not appeal to these industrious people.
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Stop beating around the bush and tell us how you really feel Benny. ;D
Title: Re: Facelift Phoenix new clamps
Post by: ben M on June 03, 2014, 11:41:15 pm
My market is aimed at people who work, so again i'm safe in the knowledge that my clients who WORK are the ones to listen too, as they are truly testing the products, as sitting on a computer throughout the day does not appeal to these industrious people.
Deleted; this is getting tedious.

Stop beating around the bush and tell us how you really feel Benny. ;D
only being honest, what do you think? ;D
Title: Re: Facelift Phoenix new clamps
Post by: PoleKing on June 03, 2014, 11:46:20 pm
My market is aimed at people who work, so again i'm safe in the knowledge that my clients who WORK are the ones to listen too, as they are truly testing the products, as sitting on a computer throughout the day does not appeal to these industrious people.
Did you really have to quote it again?

Stop beating around the bush and tell us how you really feel Benny. ;D
only being honest, what do you think? ;D

I would say you're very astute sir.
This came up the other week. In my opinion suppliers and other shiners need to portray a different type of personality on here-almost regardless of what their thinking.
There have been some reall tw@ty posts to Alex but he's never been anything than the ultimate professional in reply.
Even the whole 'china pole' thread.
Even if one doesn't like their products, Alex (IMO) sets the bench mark for professionalism on a forum.
Title: Re: Facelift Phoenix new clamps
Post by: craig trevain on June 03, 2014, 11:47:31 pm
Right...... Ben m ...... M = why be shifty with your second name....?
Title: Re: Facelift Phoenix new clamps
Post by: ben M on June 03, 2014, 11:49:18 pm
My market is aimed at people who work, so again i'm safe in the knowledge that my clients who WORK are the ones to listen too, as they are truly testing the products, as sitting on a computer throughout the day does not appeal to these industrious people.
No swearing

Stop beating around the bush and tell us how you really feel Benny. ;D
only being honest, what do you think? ;D

I would say you're very astute sir.
This came up the other week. In my opinion suppliers and other shiners need to portray a different type of personality on here-almost regardless of what their thinking.
There have been some reall tw@ty posts to Alex but he's never been anything than the ultimate professional in reply.
Even the whole 'china pole' thread.
Even if one doesn't like their products, Alex (IMO) sets the bench mark for professionalism on a forum.
i couldn't agree more,sir ;)
Title: Re: Facelift Phoenix new clamps
Post by: ben M on June 03, 2014, 11:54:29 pm
Right...... Ben m ...... M = why be shifty with your second name....?
ben... Marvelous
what about you? who are you?
Title: Re: Facelift Phoenix new clamps
Post by: craig trevain on June 03, 2014, 11:57:02 pm
Full unshifty name in my title ....
Title: Re: Facelift Phoenix new clamps
Post by: ben M on June 03, 2014, 11:59:34 pm
obviously you are selling phoenix poles on your website,i don't think Mike or stephen would be impressed by your posts IMO
Title: Re: Facelift Phoenix new clamps
Post by: rosskesava on June 04, 2014, 12:01:32 am
Craig, do you work for Facelift?

Title: Re: Facelift Phoenix new clamps
Post by: ben M on June 04, 2014, 12:04:01 am
by the way, you can come back again in 3 years time, nobody would be upset, i promise you ;)
Title: Re: Facelift Phoenix new clamps
Post by: craig trevain on June 04, 2014, 12:04:28 am
My post was based on loaded slatings from one view personnel... Only people offended are people that are one pole viewed...
Title: Re: Facelift Phoenix new clamps
Post by: craig trevain on June 04, 2014, 12:06:54 am
And no I do not work for facelift

I own ct east ltd and PolarBrite

Now you know.... And I think I'll stick around
Title: Re: Facelift Phoenix new clamps
Post by: Tom White on June 04, 2014, 12:11:58 am
Well I've had a rest from here for 3 years, and still the loaded promotion of gardiner poles are still here!!

Yeh, we like Gardiner poles.  And?  I have nothing what-so-ever to gain by saying I like Gardiner poles; I have no vested interest in Alex, his company, or anything.

But I do like his poles.

He's also a helpful member of the forum.  He doesn't pay for advertising either (as far as I'm aware); he just lets his customers do that for him.
Title: Re: Facelift Phoenix new clamps
Post by: rosskesava on June 04, 2014, 12:15:39 am
And no I do not work for facelift

I own ct east ltd and PolarBrite

Now you know.... And I think I'll stick around

I hope you have a thick skin.



My post was based on loaded slatings from one view personnel... Only people offended are people that are one pole viewed...

So what's the best way to change that view?

We all already know this is a pro Gardiners forum party because of the products and partly because Alex Gardiner is a perfect diplomat when he uses this forum.



Title: Re: Facelift Phoenix new clamps
Post by: craig trevain on June 04, 2014, 12:16:56 am
Thankyou tosh, most informative, however I can only comment on the amount of face to face chat I have at my trade counter who are bigging up the poles I sell, hence my first comment, which seem to offend, and coarse much defence talk, good luck with your pole choice and I'm glad you like... But again my comment was regarding the feed back I hear within a non forum environment ...
Title: Re: Facelift Phoenix new clamps
Post by: craig trevain on June 04, 2014, 12:19:43 am
Ross , I think I'll be ok...
Title: Re: Facelift Phoenix new clamps
Post by: Tom White on June 04, 2014, 12:22:12 am
Thankyou tosh, most informative, however I can only comment on the amount of face to face chat I have at my trade counter who are bigging up the poles I sell, hence my first comment, which seem to offend, and coarse much defence talk, good luck with your pole choice and I'm glad you like... But again my comment was regarding the feed back I hear within a non forum environment ...

I think if your customers praised your equipment, that would carry far more weight than you bigging them up.  I don't get that trustworthy glow from you; you can say what you want but it doesn't mean it's true.  

However if multiple customers of yours praised your gear on the forum, then that would be a different story.

I suggest you read some of Alex's back posts and find out how to post here as a supplier; if your intention is to troll, you're doing great, but if your intention is to advertise your gear, you're failing miserably.
Title: Re: Facelift Phoenix new clamps
Post by: rosskesava on June 04, 2014, 12:26:01 am
Ross , I think I'll be ok...

Good luck mate.

Remember though an old saying 'you can catch more flies with honey than vinegar'.
Title: Re: Facelift Phoenix new clamps
Post by: craig trevain on June 04, 2014, 12:30:51 am
Intention is not to advertise or troll ... My comment was about my experience, I do get gardiner pole users come into the shop who praise that pole, however my comment was to do with my experience regarding the pole in the title, I'm by no means on here to advertise .

I'm 42 been in the cleaning business since I was 16, and it's grown quite well without any business advise from the above personel, so again thankyou tosh, but I think I'll be ok....

I won't talk on this subject any more how ever all my above comments stand...
Title: Re: Facelift Phoenix new clamps
Post by: Tom White on June 04, 2014, 12:32:40 am
Ben will be back in a couple of days to start nipping at your ankles again.

Beware!  ;D
Title: Re: Facelift Phoenix new clamps
Post by: AuRavelling79 on June 04, 2014, 05:51:44 am
My post was based on loaded slatings from one view personnel... Only people offended are people that are one pole viewed...

Is English your first language, Craig? You're doing quite well if it's not.

5/10 maybe?
Title: Re: Facelift Phoenix new clamps
Post by: tlwcs on June 04, 2014, 07:31:35 am
And no I do not work for facelift

I own ct east ltd and PolarBrite

Now you know.... And I think I'll stick around

Welcome back Craig
I have missed your posts.
Could you please have your next meltdown before the world cup starts?
Tony (off to do some real work)
Title: Re: Facelift Phoenix new clamps
Post by: gary999 on June 04, 2014, 07:50:15 am
I dont use any manufacturers poles,i prefer to make my own and
eve though i find the Gardiners fan club boring and mildly irritating,if
i was to buy a pole from a supplier it would more or likely be Gardiners.

Definately at this point wouldnt be facelift as the representation
of themselves on this forum is appalling.
Title: Re: Facelift Phoenix new clamps
Post by: LT carpet cleaning on June 04, 2014, 08:22:32 am
Ben will be back in a couple of days to start nipping at your ankles again.

Beware!  ;D

I'm sure he will be devastated and worried sick to have that aggressive little twerp "nipping" at his ankles.
Title: Re: Facelift Phoenix new clamps
Post by: ♠Winp®oClean♠ on June 04, 2014, 08:52:54 am
So, to summarize- in three years & one thread, nothing's changed!!

To his credit though, this time Craig has just managed to stop short of telling us to look on company house website to see how well he's doing or telling us what expensive vehicles he has bought for his wife to prove it etc etc!! ::)roll ;D

Title: Re: Facelift Phoenix new clamps
Post by: G Griffin on June 04, 2014, 08:53:39 am
Come on, give Craig a break.
He's only saying that the industrious use his poles.
Does that mean that they are hard work, then? Heavy? Difficult clamps?  ;D
Title: Re: Facelift Phoenix new clamps
Post by: Dave Willis on June 04, 2014, 10:16:43 am
No it means they are so overpriced that you can't afford to take a day off if you buy one.
Title: Re: Facelift Phoenix new clamps
Post by: G Griffin on June 04, 2014, 04:26:20 pm
I do think some of Gardiners' competitors do Gardiners' advertising for them. But some of the  Gardiners' sycophancy is nauseating.
I don't use them, either, but might do in the future. 
Title: Re: Facelift Phoenix new clamps
Post by: Dave Willis on June 04, 2014, 04:39:47 pm
I had a burger the other day - must have had a bit of sycophancy in it. I was chucking up all night.
Title: Re: Facelift Phoenix new clamps
Post by: G Griffin on June 04, 2014, 05:36:25 pm
There could have been. Don't eat burgers.
Title: Re: Facelift Phoenix new clamps
Post by: Pete Thompson on June 04, 2014, 06:47:20 pm
Is someone going to tell us what is new about the facelift clamps then???!

Can't believe I've read through this boring argumentative thread and no-one's yet said what it is about them that's different!
Title: Re: Facelift Phoenix new clamps
Post by: dd on June 04, 2014, 07:16:22 pm
I am with you Pete. Seems a lot of people on here prefer to get involved in character assassination rather than make genuine contributions. I like Gardiner poles but also want to see the Facelift range succeed, can only be good for us as users.
Title: Re: Facelift Phoenix new clamps
Post by: rosskesava on June 05, 2014, 12:49:20 am
I had a burger the other day - must have had a bit of sycophancy in it. I was chucking up all night.

Only eat Gardiner's burgers.

It'll clean your insides out better than any other burger.