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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: DeLuce on May 31, 2014, 12:13:39 am
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I've had quite a few requests for gutter cleaning. Will the Nilfisk 30t vac be adequate for what i need? My jobs are all domestic properties. Thanks for any input or recommendations.
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No! Its for domestic household cleaning, sucking up coffee spills and the like!
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No! Its for domestic household cleaning, sucking up coffee spills and the like!
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i know i might sound daft but does the suction power depend on the wattage if so what is the recommended wattage, ive seen one for about £450 which is 3000w,would that be suitable.cheers,martin
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Ok, thanks.
I remember Avo contributing to a gutter cleaning thread and i was sure he used the Nilfisk. If not, can you give any suggestions as to which vacs to go for?
Thanks for the replies.
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Yes it will work fine for domestics , for best results you need to replace the 38mm hose with 51mm.
You often get people on here saying it won't work when they have not even used it.
The suction power and airflow are the important figures .
The nilfisk has high figures compared to other 1800 watt vacs and matches or exceeds some 2400 watt vacs .....its not just about wattage , it is also pretty durable , been using mine for around 18 months and still going strong .
I have used it unto 3rd floor and once on four story and has done the job , for domestics it is perfect really .
If you are regularly doing 4/5 story work i would spend the extra 4/500 quid on a big super duper one .
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I use the nilfisk with no problems, I had a 2400 w before and prefer this because its smaller and manoverable, sucks fine and is reliable, I do a few cleans a week so don't really need a super duppa one
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Yes it will work fine for domestics , for best results you need to replace the 38mm hose with 51mm.
You often get people on here saying it won't work when they have not even used it.
The suction power and airflow are the important figures .
The nilfisk has high figures compared to other 1800 watt vacs and matches or exceeds some 2400 watt vacs .....its not just about wattage , it is also pretty durable , been using mine for around 18 months and still going strong .
I have used it unto 3rd floor and once on four story and has done the job , for domestics it is perfect really .
If you are regularly doing 4/5 story work i would spend the extra 4/500 quid on a big super duper one .
Were do you get the 51 mm hose from
when you change the hose do you have to change the collar on the machine
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Thanks for the replies chaps. Very helpful.
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Don't listen j.d and Ben talking rubbish as normal ;D sorry boys
Yes it works fine with a 51mm hose pay close attention to keeping the filter clean and air dry it after use. It's suction will work ok on normal homes but not enough beef on commercial jobs
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If you are tight like Avo ;D buy a nilfisk,otherwise buy this:
http://www.grippatank.co.uk/vacuum/high-level-vacuum-poles-kits-spares/complete-package-kits.html
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I use the Nilfisk with 38mm hose. Works ok. Cant see much point in using 51mm hose if you don't change the inlet port or use 51mm tubes.
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If you are tight like Avo ;D buy a nilfisk,otherwise buy this:
http://www.grippatank.co.uk/vacuum/high-level-vacuum-poles-kits-spares/complete-package-kits.html
i have ever heard the saying all the gear no idea Ben ;D
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Seriously thou you will get away with using the nilfisk I've done hundreds of jobs with them..
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I use the Nilfisk with 38mm hose. Works ok. Cant see much point in using 51mm hose if you don't change the inlet port or use 51mm tubes.
the inlet port on the nilfisk is 51mm , the 38mm hose has an adaptor to fit .
i got my 51mm hose from grippa and there 51mm collar fits the nilfisk perfectly.
i have also used it on commercial jobs , remember a lot of blocks of flats /nursing homes etc use the same guttering as most houses so no different .
it does only hold 30 litres so on a big job take something to empty it into.
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I'm glad it works for you fellas. Personally I wouldn't waste the time and energy on a henry hoover type device! The gutters you guys clean must only contain crisp dry leaves and nothing else. I clean real gutters where I live!
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Thanks again, very helpful, much appreciated :D
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I'm glad it works for you fellas. Personally I wouldn't waste the time and energy on a henry hoover type device! The gutters you guys clean must only contain crisp dry leaves and nothing else. I clean real gutters where I live!
It's nothing like a Henry Hoover .
I have lifted out some large turfs with it .
Look at the suction specs not the wattage .
How many times have you tried the 30t ?
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I have the 30t to be honest not really tried it yet.
Can remember some one saying you take filter out for better suction
or was it just keep cleaning and drying the filter?
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Its a wetndry vac, that is not designed for gutter cleaning! Itlk pack in with any rough type of cleaning! I can only assume you guys don't clean too many gutters and are quite happy to plod along sucking up dry leaves and leaving the sludge behind!
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If you buy this vac
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Nilfisk-DIY-30t-Multi-Vacuum/dp/B00CHKNIJ6
where do you get the other bits from?
like where can you buy the extension poles?
what else do you need?
really interested as I hate, HATE doing guttering and custies have been begging me for months...
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Its a wetndry vac, that is not designed for gutter cleaning! Itlk pack in with any rough type of cleaning! I can only assume you guys don't clean too many gutters and are quite happy to plod along sucking up dry leaves and leaving the sludge behind!
I've had a 30T since they were released by Nilfisk approx 3 years ago. I bought it for a renovation, to vacuum anything & everything up including small nails & building rubble! It has performed faultlessly & I can tell you from first hand experience that it will not pack in with any rough type of cleaning! The Nilfisk domestic products knock spots off the Karcher equivalents- the Karcher vacuum is a joke in comparison!!
The Nilfisk multi 30T is of excellent build quality.
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I use the Nilfisk with 38mm hose. Works ok. Cant see much point in using 51mm hose if you don't change the inlet port or use 51mm tubes.
So use this hose (do i need the connector?
http://www.grippatank.co.uk/vacuum/high-level-vacuum-poles-kits-spares/tools-accessories/1579/a-grippavac-51mm-black-vacuum-hose-detail.html
and this vac
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Nilfisk-DIY-30t-Multi-Vacuum/dp/B00CHKNIJ6
what else do I need?
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Its a wetndry vac, that is not designed for gutter cleaning! Itlk pack in with any rough type of cleaning! I can only assume you guys don't clean too many gutters and are quite happy to plod along sucking up dry leaves and leaving the sludge behind!
All the gutter vacs are just wet and dry vacs , some have a cyclonic inlet retro fitted (easy enough to do yourself).
The grippa 2400 watt vac is a numatic (same make as the henry hoover and use the same motors/fans but has two of them).
The nilfisk is very close to it on suction and it is very well built.
JD , you appear to feel very passionate about this when you have not even used the nilfisk , do you have some kind of grudge against nilfisk ?
just for your information , sky vac use nilfisk vacuums for there gutter cleaning systems .
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I use the Nilfisk with 38mm hose. Works ok. Cant see much point in using 51mm hose if you don't change the inlet port or use 51mm tubes.
So use this hose (do i need the connector?
http://www.grippatank.co.uk/vacuum/high-level-vacuum-poles-kits-spares/tools-accessories/1579/a-grippavac-51mm-black-vacuum-hose-detail.html
and this vac
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Nilfisk-DIY-30t-Multi-Vacuum/dp/B00CHKNIJ6
what else do I need?
my suggestion would be to buy the poles , hose and end tools from grippa , quite expensive but the poles are very very light and there 51mm push fit collar will slot straight into the nilfisk vac so you have 51mm all the way through .
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Its a wetndry vac, that is not designed for gutter cleaning! Itlk pack in with any rough type of cleaning! I can only assume you guys don't clean too many gutters and are quite happy to plod along sucking up dry leaves and leaving the sludge behind!
I've had a 30T since they were released by Nilfisk approx 3 years ago. I bought it for a renovation, to vacuum anything & everything up including small nails & building rubble! It has performed faultlessly & I can tell you from first hand experience that it will not pack in with any rough type of cleaning! The Nilfisk domestic products knock spots off the Karcher equivalents- the Karcher vacuum is a joke in comparison!!
The Nilfisk multi 30T is of excellent build quality.
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I use one as a dust extractor on the band saw and power tools in my little workshop and it's excellent.
The filter clean button and power take off socket are handy features.
I was going to use it as a gutter vac but never got round to buying the poles, and don't know if I can be bothered anyway. ::)roll
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Would a Clarke 2.2 kva invertor generator have enough umph to power the Nilfisk 30t.
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I have the 30t to be honest not really tried it yet.
Can remember some one saying you take filter out for better suction
or was it just keep cleaning and drying the filter?
ive done 100+ jobs with 30t and it's fine on cleaning gutters trust me.. Some people are trying to comment about this product on this tread when in truth they have never used one to comment ;)
About the filters they are very good and keep out all dust and dirt not like the foam ones that end up breaking the motors after 6 months hence why they must be kept clean.
I'm not saying it's better than triple vac motors cause it's not but I have sucked out some of the biggest chunks of grass and moss possible..
Mr J.D one question I have for you!!!
Have you used a 30t ??
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Cheers again fellas.
my suggestion would be to buy the poles , hose and end tools from grippa , quite expensive but the poles are very very light and there 51mm push fit collar will slot straight into the nilfisk vac so you have 51mm all the way through .
Thanks Rob, that is my plan of action, but i started the thread to just verify that the Nilfisk was a decent option.
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Fellas don't be biting my head off! I gave an opinion when asked, just like everyone else! If you'd feel better by me telling you what you want to hear then I'll say its the best VAC ever! You don't agree with me and for some of you its been a great VAC. I hope it continues to be good for you and you all allow a differing opinion in future! Bloody hell, you ask a question then surely you want an honest answer ::)roll
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Fellas don't be biting my head off! I gave an opinion when asked, just like everyone else! If you'd feel better by me telling you what you want to hear then I'll say its the best VAC ever! You don't agree with me and for some of you its been a great VAC. I hope it continues to be good for you and you all allow a differing opinion in future! Bloody hell, you ask a question then surely you want an honest answer ::)roll
jd what do you use ? we are looking into a set up and taking note on everybodys views good are bad , the gutters we have done are full of stinky green stuff that's hard to move what do you find good for removeing it all
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I use an Eastern Trading VAC Susan & I find it really decent. The company have since gone belly up though, so getting spares etc is out the window! Sometimes you just need to revert to a ladder & scoop to get the ground in stuff out ! Personally when I come across the stuff that's hard to shift then I just use a pressure lance with gutter attachment and flush the dirt out. Works a treat & shifts everything I've come across without a problem. If your setting up with gutter cleaning then I feel a pressure washing lance (power pole) with gutter attachment is a must. Its also perfect for flushing the downpipes out and leaving the customer with a really thorough job....
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I use an Eastern Trading VAC Susan & I find it really decent. The company have since gone belly up though, so getting spares etc is out the window! Sometimes you just need to revert to a ladder & scoop to get the ground in stuff out ! Personally when I come across the stuff that's hard to shift then I just use a pressure lance with gutter attachment and flush the dirt out. Works a treat & shifts everything I've come across without a problem. If your setting up with gutter cleaning then I feel a pressure washing lance (power pole) with gutter attachment is a must. Its also perfect for flushing the downpipes out and leaving the customer with a really thorough job....
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I don't think it's what you said don't how you say it..
Don't worry cool with me dude!!
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I use an Eastern Trading VAC Susan & I find it really decent. The company have since gone belly up though, so getting spares etc is out the window! Sometimes you just need to revert to a ladder & scoop to get the ground in stuff out ! Personally when I come across the stuff that's hard to shift then I just use a pressure lance with gutter attachment and flush the dirt out. Works a treat & shifts everything I've come across without a problem. If your setting up with gutter cleaning then I feel a pressure washing lance (power pole) with gutter attachment is a must. Its also perfect for flushing the downpipes out and leaving the customer with a really thorough job....
this power pole / w. lance do they work on a normal wfp set up or do you need a pressure washer ??
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I use an Eastern Trading VAC Susan & I find it really decent. The company have since gone belly up though, so getting spares etc is out the window! Sometimes you just need to revert to a ladder & scoop to get the ground in stuff out ! Personally when I come across the stuff that's hard to shift then I just use a pressure lance with gutter attachment and flush the dirt out. Works a treat & shifts everything I've come across without a problem. If your setting up with gutter cleaning then I feel a pressure washing lance (power pole) with gutter attachment is a must. Its also perfect for flushing the downpipes out and leaving the customer with a really thorough job....
this power pole / w. lance do they work on a normal wfp set up or do you need a pressure washer ??
i believe he means something like this http://www.jet-wash-direct.co.uk/pressurewashers/telescoping-lance.html, it will be for attaching to a pressure washer not with wfp.
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Yes you need a pressure washer Susan
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I use an Eastern Trading VAC Susan & I find it really decent. The company have since gone belly up though, so getting spares etc is out the window! Sometimes you just need to revert to a ladder & scoop to get the ground in stuff out ! Personally when I come across the stuff that's hard to shift then I just use a pressure lance with gutter attachment and flush the dirt out. Works a treat & shifts everything I've come across without a problem. If your setting up with gutter cleaning then I feel a pressure washing lance (power pole) with gutter attachment is a must. Its also perfect for flushing the downpipes out and leaving the customer with a really thorough job....
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I don't think it's what you said don't how you say it..
Don't worry cool with me dude!!
I'll be a little nicer next time avo! Its like sending a text to someone, it can come a cross differently! ;D
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Its a wetndry vac, that is not designed for gutter cleaning! Itlk pack in with any rough type of cleaning! I can only assume you guys don't clean too many gutters and are quite happy to plod along sucking up dry leaves and leaving the sludge behind!
Is there a wet and dry vac designed for gutter cleaning? Surely they are just adapted for gutter cleaning.
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Its a wetndry vac, that is not designed for gutter cleaning! Itlk pack in with any rough type of cleaning! I can only assume you guys don't clean too many gutters and are quite happy to plod along sucking up dry leaves and leaving the sludge behind!
Is there a wet and dry vac designed for gutter cleaning? Surely they are just adapted for gutter cleaning.
I'd say they are merely adapted!
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Its a wetndry vac, that is not designed for gutter cleaning! Itlk pack in with any rough type of cleaning! I can only assume you guys don't clean too many gutters and are quite happy to plod along sucking up dry leaves and leaving the sludge behind!
Is there a wet and dry vac designed for gutter cleaning? Surely they are just adapted for gutter cleaning.
I'd say they are merely adapted!
So yours isn't designed for gutter clearing either then. ;)
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Could you use these poles if you where on a budget?
http://www.guttervacuumsystems.co.uk/pole-sets.html
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I used my nilfisk today gutter was cramed with compacted soil and full of water.
Did the job perfectly fine. Was working in tight spaces and I wheeled it around with ease.
Some of the bigger VAC's would of been a nightmare to manover.
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Could you use these poles if you where on a budget?
http://www.guttervacuumsystems.co.uk/pole-sets.html
Don't see why not
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Whos electricity do you use?
do you have a 25 foot extensions to work outside or is there a way to get it to work from your van?
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we use 50 metre 240 volt extension leads, we have had a Clarke 30 for the last three years and it has earned us a fortune, gonna upgrade soon to a nilfisk but it will be the one the same as the commercial skyvac, then will get poles, hose , collars etc from grippa tank, the Clarke 30 will go onto the other vanl.
Graham
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I used my nilfisk today gutter was cramed with compacted soil and full of water.
Did the job perfectly fine. Was working in tight spaces and I wheeled it around with ease.
Some of the bigger VAC's would of been a nightmare to manover.
What hose and poles do you use eco?
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nilfisk vacs seem to have higher suction specs to others of the same wattage so they obviously quite an efficient design , what i would like though is for them to there twin motor head on a 30 litre body , more suction and still manoeuvrable .
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Robert, you seem very knowledgeable on Vacs!
Are these any good/good value?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/20-foot-GUTTER-CLEANING-VACUUM-HIGH-REACH-50mm-LIGHTWEIGHT-AN-/121354822039?pt=UK_HomeGarden_CLV_Cleaning_CA&hash=item1c414fa197
Or is there an alternative you would recommend?
Sorry for the thread hijack!
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i wouldn't recommend alloy poles , although they probably last forever they are very heavy, especially at an angle over a conny etc .
maybe if your built like arnie you will be ok.
my recommendation is the hi modulus vac tubes from grippatank , light as a feather !
they are expensive though at 126 including vat for each 6ft section .
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As Roberts says! Stay clear of alloy poles, they'll wreck your joints!