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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Cliff perkins on May 27, 2014, 08:07:01 pm
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hi all
im trying to get an idea as to what pay staff,i am thinking about taking on somebody to help out.
would it be wise to keep him with me and knock out as much as we can together or train him buy him a little van and send him out alone.
is it best to pay him set amount each week or put him on the payrol.
any info warmly welcome.
regards cliff
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I would recommend get them out in the van with you. I found I really enjoy the company and actually get bored working on my own now! After 6 months or so i think you get a good idea as to whether they're gonna stick it and whether you can trust them to work on their own.
One van one van is definitely more profitable but when you think about the costs of buying and running an extra van, and putting a whole new set up in there the advantages are shortened somewhat. obviously if expansion is your aim then you have to do it, but if you don't ever want more than one employee than i would suggest just stick to one van.
Similarly, although this is just an assumption, staff are more likely to get fed up and leave if they just work on their own every day and window cleaning can be extremely boring when its not your own business.
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thanks
any idea on price to pay if i have somebody with me full time ?
regards
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are people to shy to say what they pay the staff they have,or maybe dont wanna come accross as a tight fisted old git and get slated.
ok i was thinking £60 a day is that enough?
do i put them on the books for that amount ?
regards
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are people to shy to say what they pay the staff they have,or maybe dont wanna come accross as a tight fisted old git and get slated.
ok i was thinking £60 a day is that enough?
do i put them on the books for that amount ?
regards
I pay my subbys between £130 and £150 a day now.
Employed would be around £90 I'd think. (Though I'm not going down that route)
People need more than the minimum wage to make a living.
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Thanks poleking
I asked another windie and he pays his worker £50 a day.
I think £130 is to much money i didnt even earn that driving low loaders mate.
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8 hours at £7 an hour is £64 .
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8 hours at £7 an hour is £64 .
Lots of guys on here pay £10 an hour on the books.
A couple of chaps i know do £350 - £400 a week employed (with ya holidays etc)
Off the books (not recommended) £50 a day, cash in hand. Not worth the risk imo
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My thought was £90-£100 a day for an adult good worker. There could be a bonus element in that though. My view is that if you want a proper business with solid employees you need to pay a good wage. I would expect a guy on his own to be producing £300 so £100 a day is a fair wage. Obviously it would be much less working with you in a van, so pay less to start perhaps?
But if you just want a young helper Cliff, perhaps £60-£70 a day. I think it depends where you plan to go.
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8 hours at £7 an hour is £64 .
..and a calculator may be a tax deductible expense.
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May I suggest min wage PLUS a daily turnover bonus which is paid monthly linked to attendance, time keeping and no complaints.
7 hours @ £6.20 £44 plus say 10% of £250 = £69 a day or 15% = £82 a day in total
Advantage of this scenario to you the employer is if you have a guaranteed hour amount in contract then if your snowed off for 3 weeks your only paying min wage out plus if they've had a good month and were thinking of skiving a day off with 19 days of £25 / £38 resting on their attendance they may want to think about it.
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8 hours at £7 an hour is £64 .
..and a calculator may be a tax deductible expense.
LMFAO - Wonder what the OP's book are like.
"Yes record week this week, £5,795"
:P :P :P :P
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Pahaha
Yes i had just woken up and i work out 8£ an hour lol
Bargain who wants it ;-)
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Ok how about £70 a day with me for 2 months while i train him.
Then £100 on in own in a van.?
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Ok how about £70 a day with me for 2 months while i train him.
Then £100 on in own in a van.?
Bob plumb wants to know when he can start
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aahhh the days of being paid a wage :'(
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Thanks poleking
I asked another windie and he pays his worker £50 a day.
I think £130 is to much money i didnt even earn that driving low loaders mate.
No worries.
I think I pay well but I expect a lot.
The lads I have are top class.
I make a good chunk from them.
We're all happy.
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i understand to pay well poleking
but for 130 a day how much do you expect the lad to earn you a day,theres only so much a man can earn in a day.
regards
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I have someone with me on an ad-hoc self employed basis (as he also works for another window cleaner a few days a month)...
I pay £78 a day.
8am / 8:30am - 4pm / 5pm.
Andy
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i understand to pay well poleking
but for 130 a day how much do you expect the lad to earn you a day,theres only so much a man can earn in a day.
regards
I look for them to make at least £300.
I don't sub very much, but when I do, I make it worth my while.
(I only sub commercial ATM, actually start my first domestic sub day on Monday) but apprehensive if I'm honest.
It's that or chuck the work...
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I think you have three types of Worker and you need to work out which one will suit your way of working and your expansion plans.
1) The person who has a family to support, needs to work hard to make a living and wants to work. Looking for job stability and a future. If pay these workers a minimum of £100 a day and would have no qualms about letting them have their own van and even full management of their part of the round. Easiest way to track them down is to advertise as a yearly salary and interview well, digging deep into employment history and family situation. You should have no trust issues with leaving them to run the show while you are on holiday..
2) The floating worker isn't in it for the long term will get bored quickly and tends to drift from manual labour job to manual labour job. Ideal two have two or three of these part time working two or 3 days a week due to reliability issues. Pay them £60-70 a day Find out what pub they drink In and drop in a couple of times a week to see them spending all of their money in the bar.
3) young lad/ Student- ideal for summertime school work and weekends, always good to have no formal arrangement with these as they will let you down. Get them to call you when they need a week or twos work but try not to have them for any longer. When they call put them in a an with employee type one or yourself and employee type two and just use them to get ahead so you can have a holiday.
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pole king thanks 300 is a reasonable amount to earn but im not at that every day. so i think 90 to 100 a day is my limit.
as to the type of worker i want it would be full time somebody over 25 with clean licence and maybe a family to support so i know he will stick around.
not intrested in young kids i just think they would be to much hassle.
its just a little tough to make that choice and weigh up the options as to decide what the best action would be.do i carry on as i am and knock the work out rushing from job to job with no break and getting borred,pay less and have a lad working with me or go down the another van route.
i need to phone insurance companys and sort out all the deductions that i will need to pay out having another worker etc.
i guess im just testin g the water at the moment before i take the leap or not.
regards
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i understand to pay well poleking
but for 130 a day how much do you expect the lad to earn you a day,theres only so much a man can earn in a day.
regards
I look for them to make at least £300.
I don't sub very much, but when I do, I make it worth my while.
(I only sub commercial ATM, actually start my first domestic sub day on Monday) but apprehensive if I'm honest.
It's that or chuck the work...
Subbing is different to employing though in terms of rates of pay. I guess you are subbing to self employed windies who aren't full and bring their own vans. They ain't gonna work for peanuts, but equally you ain't gonna pay a novice £130.
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i understand to pay well poleking
but for 130 a day how much do you expect the lad to earn you a day,theres only so much a man can earn in a day.
regards
I look for them to make at least £300.
I don't sub very much, but when I do, I make it worth my while.
(I only sub commercial ATM, actually start my first domestic sub day on Monday) but apprehensive if I'm honest.
It's that or chuck the work...
Subbing is different to employing though in terms of rates of pay. I guess you are subbing to self employed windies who aren't full and bring their own vans. They ain't gonna work for peanuts, but equally you ain't gonna pay a novice £130.
Yeah. Except he doesn't have his own kit.
The lads with their own vans get £150.
All very good lads. Who know exactly what they're doing. They're well worth the money.
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Jesus, I was getting paid £355 a week for cleaning commercials and supervising 3 other vans and a 22 metre Mewp and a kitchen extract team. Wish I'd seen some of these jobs advertised.
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I'm not one of the big boys.
That's not every day. Once a week at best.
And they're self employed.
Completely different ball game employed/self employed.