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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Clever Forum Name on May 26, 2014, 02:31:30 pm
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http://www.faceliftcleaning.co.uk/van-mount-systems.html
They look a bit special! Has anybody got one/seen one?
I wonder how balanced they are? I assume they are allowing for the weight of components to balance the water out due to the design........?
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yep seen one last week at the show.
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yep seen one last week at the show.
And.................... good/bad?
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Oooooooooooooooo....
Now that looks pretty damn expensive.........
What you reckon? £3000+
Darran
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yep seen one last week at the show.
+1
Preferred the look of the Grippamax if honest
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Whenever a company offer finance, you can guarantee it is going to be expensive ;D
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Doesn't say that there crash tested tho
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Oww I want one :-)
Bet it's a fair bit tho.
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Why would it need Bluetooth?
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Why would it need Bluetooth?
Everything is better with bluetooth.
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I like the GrippaTank one as well but the hot version of their system is extortionately expensive!
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....... and out of your pole comes pure water. Same as a £500 setup.
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....... and out of your pole comes pure water. Same as a £500 setup.
TRUE.......
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I like the GrippaTank one as well but the hot version of their system is extortionately expensive!
In comparison with??
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I like the GrippaTank one as well but the hot version of their system is extortionately expensive!
In comparison with??
In comparison with just about every other hot water system on the market!
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I like the GrippaTank one as well but the hot version of their system is extortionately expensive!
In comparison with??
In comparison with just about every other hot water system on the market!
Can you quantify that with prices?
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Look it up
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Look it up
Don't you mean no I can't ?
Darran
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Look it up
You're making the claim, not me.
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Look it up
You're making the claim, not me.
I had a hot one priced with Grippatank and it was much more expensive than any of the others ive looked into. What more do you want? Im sorry if my personal findings on this have offended you but thats how it is! ::)roll
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the claim was made that it would be different to anything else that was on the market. :o :o :o :o
the only difference was the shape of the tank and to me it looked top heavy and no claims about it being crashed test worried me,all the parts that made up the system you can buy off the self from any one else that supplies wfp system.
so for me it was a big NO
it doesn't pull the strings that the gippatank system does,that look very smart and well put together and all so crashed tested
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Look it up
You're making the claim, not me.
I had a hot one priced with Grippatank and it was much more expensive than any of the others ive looked into. What more do you want? Im sorry if my personal findings on this have offended you but thats how it is! ::)roll
No offence JD just wondering where the claims are coming from..
Grippa max. £2895.
Pure freedom £2616.57
Heat wave wcw £3144.75
All look similar in price to me, unless your comparing these with a cheapo gas DIY system ?
Hot for me is overrated and not worth the investment of 2.5k plus per van.
Darran
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Grippa will always be more expensive but you can't compare them to other companies.
The diesel heater is around 2500 -3200 ££ as a bolt on. Even ionics do do a 2500£ bolt on hot box.
The difference is in the tank. Other companies like PF,
Xline etc are using cages and wydale tanks. So they will always be cheaper.
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Look it up
You're making the claim, not me.
I had a hot one priced with Grippatank and it was much more expensive than any of the others ive looked into. What more do you want? Im sorry if my personal findings on this have offended you but thats how it is! ::)roll
No offence JD just wondering where the claims are coming from..
Grippa max. £2895.
Pure freedom £2616.57
Heat wave wcw £3144.75
All look similar in price to me, unless your comparing these with a cheapo gas DIY system ?
Hot for me is overrated and not worth the investment of 2.5k plus per van.
Darran
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No offence taken mate. On the 16th May 2013 Oliver at Grippamax quoted me £8000 for a 2 man R.O Hotsystem! 8k, not £800 !! I have the e-mail and quote. I e-mailed him back to tell him i thought the price shocking & he didnt reply back! I highlighted this on the ACS forum at the time as well. If Oliver at Grippamax is reading this and wants to respond then id be very happy to hear from him.
I have since been quoted more recently for the cold water system & this was much more realistic.....
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No offence taken mate. On the 16th May 2013 Oliver at Grippamax quoted me £8000 for a two man R.O Hotsystem! 8k, not £800 !! I have the e-mail and quote. The price included the princely sum of £695 ex vat to come and install it! I e-mailed him back to tell him i thought the price shocking & he didnt reply back! I highlighted this on the ACS forum at the time as well. If Oliver at Grippamax is reading this and wants to respond then id be very happy to hear from him.
I have since been quoted more recently for the cold water system & this was much more realistic.....
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No offence taken mate. On the 16th May 2013 Oliver at Grippamax quoted me £8000 for a two man R.O Hotsystem! 8k, not £800 !! I have the e-mail and quote. The price included the princely sum of £695 ex vat to come and install it! I e-mailed him back to tell him i thought the price shocking & he didnt reply back! I highlighted this on the ACS forum at the time as well. If Oliver at Grippamax is reading this and wants to respond then id be very happy to hear from him.
I have since been quoted more recently for the cold water system & this was much more realistic.....
jd is right when we asked at the show this was the price,i fell to the ground and bob pumb had to give me mouth to mouth
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Thanks for that Franky. It's such a incredible price that I feared that folk on here would be thinking I was of my rocker !
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Thanks for that Franky. It's such a incredible price that I feared that folk on here would be thinking I was of my rocker !
I wouldn't worry what anyone thinks of you on here JD.
Some of us are lowlifes. Most are worse.
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No offence taken mate. On the 16th May 2013 Oliver at Grippamax quoted me £8000 for a two man R.O Hotsystem! 8k, not £800 !! I have the e-mail and quote. The price included the princely sum of £695 ex vat to come and install it! I e-mailed him back to tell him i thought the price shocking & he didnt reply back! I highlighted this on the ACS forum at the time as well. If Oliver at Grippamax is reading this and wants to respond then id be very happy to hear from him.
I have since been quoted more recently for the cold water system & this was much more realistic.....
jd is right when we asked at the show this was the price,i fell to the ground and bob pumb had to give me mouth to mouth
Became a little weird when you started using tongue....
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Thanks for that Franky. It's such a incredible price that I feared that folk on here would be thinking I was of my rocker !
I wouldn't worry what anyone thinks of you on here JD.
Some of us are lowlifes. Most are worse.
Ill keep that in mind Poleking.... ;D
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I have to say, I think it looks pretty smart...
Or at least I did until I saw how it was put together. The way the actual tank is shaped looks top-heavy, with one side of the top bit not supported.
(http://i60.tinypic.com/2gsjzbr.jpg)
I did like the way sight gauge is built into the corner BUT it only goes halfway up! And it starts a few inches above the bottom, so pretty useless. Looks like a good idea, poorly executed.
I'm also not too sure about accessing the stuff inside. Seems like you have to remove about 8 bolts and then take a metal cover off just to access. I don't like that. In my humble opinion, if you need to get at something regularly (like the resin bottle to change the resin, or the prefilters to change them) then it should be accessible without having to basically dismantle the machine.
Looks like they've tried desperately to make it look good, and sacrificed usibility to do so.
Also, what about baffling? Please don't tell me those tiny pathetic little noodle holes on each side of the tank are what they consider baffling?! If so, then it's completely inadequate and I would even say dangerous.
(http://i61.tinypic.com/dcvjo2.jpg)
I'll stick with my Pure2o system over that one anyday.
Anyone know how much they cost?
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Yeah but it looks pretty. 8)
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looks like a basic upright unbaffled wydale tank which has been made to look all ergonomic and slapped with a massive price tag
pants and a waste of money
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No offence taken mate. On the 16th May 2013 Oliver at Grippamax quoted me £8000 for a two man R.O Hotsystem! 8k, not £800 !! I have the e-mail and quote. The price included the princely sum of £695 ex vat to come and install it! I e-mailed him back to tell him i thought the price shocking & he didnt reply back! I highlighted this on the ACS forum at the time as well. If Oliver at Grippamax is reading this and wants to respond then id be very happy to hear from him.
I have since been quoted more recently for the cold water system & this was much more realistic.....
With respect J.D I believe you live over on the Emerald Isle, so the price you were quoted for fitting does not seem entirely unrealistic to me with all associated costs taken in to account.
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Looks nice! But you want the lowest centre of gravity possible, from that perspective this doesn't look good. Can't beat the GrippaMax on that one as it's very low in the van. Like mentioned above, can't see how this is going to be a great system. Nice, but very odd design. Does seem a bit tricky to service with all those bolts as well.
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Andy, are you telling me that you believe £8000 is a fair price for a 2 man R.O hotsystem from Grippamax , because i live in Ireland?
8k is the price of their hot system, whether you live in Ireland or Mainland. Only the fitting service is double whack for Ireland!
Its totally unjustifiable in my opinion & only an unhinged person would pay that ! :o
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Andy, are you telling me that you believe £8000 is a fair price for a 2 man R.O hotsystem from Grippamax , because i live in Ireland?
8k is the price of their hot system, whether you live in Ireland or Mainland. Only the fitting service is double whack for Ireland!
Its totally unjustifiable in my opinion & only an unhinged person would pay that ! :o
I didn't mention the total price you were quoted.
I was referring to the fitting charge. ;)
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All the companies are around £8k if you are buying a diesel hot system that normally includes 2 pumps , frost stat poles reels etc some are a lot more expensive so unless you go diy grippatank aren't any more expensive
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All the companies are around £8k if you are buying a diesel hot system that normally includes 2 pumps , frost stat poles reels etc some are a lot more expensive so unless you go diy grippatank aren't any more expensive
Im tired of this now. And your absolutely incorrect Darren!
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Andy, are you telling me that you believe £8000 is a fair price for a 2 man R.O hotsystem from Grippamax , because i live in Ireland?
8k is the price of their hot system, whether you live in Ireland or Mainland. Only the fitting service is double whack for Ireland!
Its totally unjustifiable in my opinion & only an unhinged person would pay that ! :o
I didn't mention the total price you were quoted.
I was referring to the fitting charge. ;)
Oh right Andy, fair enough mate..... ;)
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Just going on the 5 quotes I have had from different companies ,had a quote of £6k of a company called jet but that was cold water , just out of interest what companies do them a lot cheaper as I am incorrect :)
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Awesome to see the amount of interest in the new Phoenix Van mounts. The great thing about CIU is the amount of haters/negative posters who attempt to rubbish products before they even see them in the flesh. Are these the same guys who rubbished water fed poles before they became a main stay in their business? People hate change...
Its interesting to see all the wasted physics/engineering talent that pops up with comments. For all those basing the system on our promo video, please be aware it's just that - a promo video. Also, you haven't actually watched it all and taken in the whole system as a working unit. Doing so may answer your questions, better still, seeing the completed version would be even clearer
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Awesome to see the amount of interest in the new Phoenix Van mounts
Really? you think it's awesome that nobody has a good word to say about them so far? Lol, ok.
lease be aware it's just that - a promo video. Also, you haven't actually watched it all and taken in the whole system as a working unit
Cool ok, its just a promo. Phew! You had us thinking it was completely rubbish there for a moment.
In that case, tell us - what is the baffling? is it just those teeny weeny totally inadequate noodle holes?
And as for the top-heavy-top-chunk-with-no-support, that is not how the final version is, is it?
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Pete, like I said, why are you wastiing your time on window cleaning forums when you obviously have engineering and design talents not bring exploited!!!??
A little homework for you. I think you need to look at the video as a whole and see if you can answer your own questions.
I'll make a note that you think 'it's rubbish' I'm sure what you have is a lot better. I can only hope we or someone else can reach a point where you acknowledge 'that's not bad.'
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Pete, like I said, why are you wastiing your time on window cleaning forums when you obviously have engineering and design talents not bring exploited!!!??
A little homework for you. I think you need to look at the video as a whole and see if you can answer your own questions.
I'll make a note that you think 'it's rubbish' I'm sure what you have is a lot better. I can only hope we or someone else can reach a point where you acknowledge 'that's not bad.'
An amusing post Steven but perhaps not the most professional.
Ask yourself the question: 'would Alex have replied in the same way?'
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Probably not poleking, not sure what everyone obsession with being professional is. If you can't have a bit of fun with the haters, now and again, what can you have!
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....... and out of your pole comes pure water. Same as a £500 setup.
+1
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Not everyone will get that you're 'messing about mate' (that is if you're not backtracking....?)
Therefore the thought process would go along the lines of, 'do i want to deal with a customer services rep/sales rep if they are going to come across like mr fox...?'
You are head salesman right?so people can only assume that you lead by example and they're all like you...?
(Not a dig before you rant on, just pointing out why professionalism maybe important)
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Don, good point.
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Mr Fox
Care to comment on why the tank is so top heavy, to me it looks very unstable in a collision (no degree in engineering required to surmise this). Surely a cube shaped tank would have been a better design, personally I am not a fan of flat tanks but yours simply looks wrong.
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Probably not poleking, not sure what everyone obsession with being professional is. If you can't have a bit of fun with the haters, now and again, what can you have!
Between cleaners, I'm all for banter.
But I think a supplier should be above that IMO. (I'm not digging at you, just an opinion)
Lads on here are suppliers' customers and it's difficult to ascertain intonation properly sometimes in text.
With that particular tank, people don't seem impressed so far.
To me, that was your perfect opening to really sell it.
Just my 2 bobs worth.
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Probably not poleking, not sure what everyone obsession with being professional is. If you can't have a bit of fun with the haters, now and again, what can you have!
Between cleaners, I'm all for banter.
But I think a supplier should be above that IMO. (I'm not digging at you, just an opinion)
Lads on here are suppliers' customers and it's difficult to ascertain intonation properly sometimes in text.
With that particular tank, people don't seem impressed so far.
To me, that was your perfect opening to really sell it.
Just my 2 bobs worth.
Unfortunately I find myself agreeing with polequeen. This is getting to be a habit. I should get out more.
This forum is just silliness for us window lickers (most of us anyway - some appear to have had a humorectomy). I often insult other posters, I actively tell them how useless they are and how they should probably look for a career in say, lumberjacking. What difference is that going to make to me and my business? None. If however 99% of posters on here were my potential customers (each with a potential of £100s or even £1000s), I think my approach would be very different.
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My two cents on the system:
Looks cracking to me. Very sleek.
I couldn't comment on the practicality of the design because, as pointed out by Mr Fox, it's a 2d scaled video with limited information.
As for functionality, I'd need to operate it first.
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Mr Fox
Care to comment on why the tank is so top heavy, to me it looks very unstable in a collision (no degree in engineering required to surmise this). Surely a cube shaped tank would have been a better design, personally I am not a fan of flat tanks but yours simply looks wrong.
dd,
There will be more info towards official release date. As said previous, I wouldn't base the system of one still taken from a video - the 'strange' shape tank is one part of a whole - it needs to be looked at as a complete unit. If you see it like, that you can see that it is not top heavy but a solid unit. There are also components not featured on the video that are in the real life version.