Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: windiewasher on May 14, 2014, 07:35:00 am
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Good to see you back on the boards.
Respect for you for coming on and answering some of your critics.
Get back to your work and build your business up,you were doing well building it up.
keep up the hard work fella.
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Good to see you back on the boards.
Respect for you for coming on and answering some of your critics.
Nope - good if you come on the board, be contrite and determined never to touch drugs again and tell everyone you have learned your lesson once and for all.
Get back to your work and build your business up ...
Good idea, actually.
... you were doing well building it up.
keep up the hard work fella.
Start the hard work fella.
Onward and upwards Richy Wilts - not backwards.
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cheers guys im back at prison now but im in the open part where im allowed in community etc just down the library ;D ;D
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cheers guys im back at prison now but im in the open part where im allowed in community etc just down the library ;D ;D
Thought you were out?
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i was out on home leave for 5 days still got 8 weeks till im allowed out on tag
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Prison sounds like an holiday camp !!! That's why people don't care if they affend te and time again as its a joke !!! Should make prisons like they do I'm Thailand that will stop offenders reafending !!!!
Ps don't know why you opened another Topic sick of hearing about Richie wilts. Think of the youngsters that died from drug dealers. Don't care about this and that he knew what he was doing but didn't care !!!!!
Speak to someone that as lost a child from drug dealers. Got no time for them it's just greed and money they don't care who's lives they wreck, just as bad as peados to me.
If it was abit of blow fair do's but you was selling hard stuff to get the sentence you got !!!! Say no more you probably will start doing it again later when work goes quiet. Easy Money !!!!!
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Prison sounds like an holiday camp !!! That's why people don't care if they affend te and time again as its a joke !!! Should make prisons like they do I'm Thailand that will stop offenders reafending !!!!
Ps don't know why you opened another Topic sick of hearing about Richie wilts. Think of the youngsters that died from drug dealers. Don't care about this and that he knew what he was doing but didn't care !!!!!
Speak to someone that as lost a child from drug dealers. Got no time for them it's just greed and money they don't care who's lives they wreck, just as bad as peados to me.
If it was abit of blow fair do's but you was selling hard stuff to get the sentence you got !!!! Say no more you probably will start doing it again later when work goes quiet. Easy Money !!!!!
if you don't like them don't read them then
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Prison sounds like an holiday camp !!! That's why people don't care if they affend te and time again as its a joke !!! Should make prisons like they do I'm Thailand that will stop offenders reafending !!!!
Ps don't know why you opened another Topic sick of hearing about Richie wilts. Think of the youngsters that died from drug dealers. Don't care about this and that he knew what he was doing but didn't care !!!!!
Speak to someone that as lost a child from drug dealers. Got no time for them it's just greed and money they don't care who's lives they wreck, just as bad as peados to me.
If it was abit of blow fair do's but you was selling hard stuff to get the sentence you got !!!! Say no more you probably will start doing it again later when work goes quiet. Easy Money !!!!!
I think comparing drug dealers to peados is a bit ott. I know if someone sexualy abused my daughter I'd deal with them differently then I would if someone gave her drugs,
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So if some drug dealer have your daughter drugs and she died I think I'd deal with that person the same way tbh 😳
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P1w1 eeeeewwwwwwwww ::)roll
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P1w1 eeeeewwwwwwwww ::)roll
:'(
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Prison sounds like an holiday camp !!! That's why people don't care if they affend te and time again as its a joke !!! Should make prisons like they do I'm Thailand that will stop offenders reafending !!!!
course it will, no repeat offenders over there at all lmao
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Prison sounds like an holiday camp !!! That's why people don't care if they affend te and time again as its a joke !!! Should make prisons like they do I'm Thailand that will stop offenders reafending !!!!
Ps don't know why you opened another Topic sick of hearing about Richie wilts. Think of the youngsters that died from drug dealers. Don't care about this and that he knew what he was doing but didn't care !!!!!
Speak to someone that as lost a child from drug dealers. Got no time for them it's just greed and money they don't care who's lives they wreck, just as bad as peados to me.
If it was abit of blow fair do's but you was selling hard stuff to get the sentence you got !!!! Say no more you probably will start doing it again later when work goes quiet. Easy Money !!!!!
well said that man ;)
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Serious questions for Richy.
Did you get any counselling/psychotherapy in prison?
Did you get the option of going on a drug-free wing?
Were there any visiting NA meetings and if so, did you attend?
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Richy - did you lose all that weight when they cut that swivel chair off your arse?
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Lol.
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cheers guys im back at prison now but im in the open part where im allowed in community etc just down the library ;D ;D
good lad . keep out of trouble mate and you will be back earning on the glass in a few weeks.
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Can you watch porn in the library ?
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Prison sounds like an holiday camp !!! That's why people don't care if they affend te and time again as its a joke !!! Should make prisons like they do I'm Thailand that will stop offenders reafending !!!!
Ps don't know why you opened another Topic sick of hearing about Richie wilts. Think of the youngsters that died from drug dealers. Don't care about this and that he knew what he was doing but didn't care !!!!!
Speak to someone that as lost a child from drug dealers. Got no time for them it's just greed and money they don't care who's lives they wreck, just as bad as peados to me.
If it was abit of blow fair do's but you was selling hard stuff to get the sentence you got !!!! Say no more you probably will start doing it again later when work goes quiet. Easy Money !!!!!
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Prison sounds like an holiday camp !!! That's why people don't care if they affend te and time again as its a joke !!! Should make prisons like they do I'm Thailand that will stop offenders reafending !!!!
Ps don't know why you opened another Topic sick of hearing about Richie wilts. Think of the youngsters that died from drug dealers. Don't care about this and that he knew what he was doing but didn't care !!!!!
Speak to someone that as lost a child from drug dealers. Got no time for them it's just greed and money they don't care who's lives they wreck, just as bad as peados to me.
If it was abit of blow fair do's but you was selling hard stuff to get the sentence you got !!!! Say no more you probably will start doing it again later when work goes quiet. Easy Money !!!!!
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Prison sounds like an holiday camp !!! That's why people don't care if they affend te and time again as its a joke !!! Should make prisons like they do I'm Thailand that will stop offenders reafending !!!!
Ps don't know why you opened another Topic sick of hearing about Richie wilts. Think of the youngsters that died from drug dealers. Don't care about this and that he knew what he was doing but didn't care !!!!!
Speak to someone that as lost a child from drug dealers. Got no time for them it's just greed and money they don't care who's lives they wreck, just as bad as peados to me.
If it was abit of blow fair do's but you was selling hard stuff to get the sentence you got !!!! Say no more you probably will start doing it again later when work goes quiet. Easy Money !!!!!
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If a child of mine died of a drugs overdose i would blame him , not the drug dealer .
you make your own choices in life and have to live with the consequences.
My ex girlfriends dad died from his alcoholism , is everybody going to say put the landlords and off license owners in prison?
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If a child of mine died of a drugs overdose i would blame him , not the drug dealer .
you make your own choices in life and have to live with the consequences.
My ex girlfriends dad died from his alcoholism , is everybody going to say put the landlords and off license owners in prison?
Not always as simple as that...i had a mate die years ago from drug abuse
near the end he really was trying his hardest to quit the local dealers
were literally banging his door several times a week,myself and couple
of other friends saw them off a few times but you cant be there all
the time and the addiction was too much and he was a easy touch for
these guys he bought then he died.
Yes he got himself addicted but some of these sellers really dont
care how you end up as long as they get the cash out of your back
pocket,if they had laid off he might of had a chance :(
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If a child of mine died of a drugs overdose i would blame him , not the drug dealer .
you make your own choices in life and have to live with the consequences.
My ex girlfriends dad died from his alcoholism , is everybody going to say put the landlords and off license owners in prison?
Not always as simple as that...i had a mate die years ago from drug abuse
near the end he really was trying his hardest to quit the local dealers
were literally banging his door several times a week,myself and couple
of other friends saw them off a few times but you cant be there all
the time and the addiction was too much and he was a easy touch for
these guys he bought then he died.
Yes he got himself addicted but some of these sellers really dont
care how you end up as long as they get the cash out of your back
pocket,if they had laid off he might of had a chance :(
And alkies who're trying to quit drinking are faced with commercials on the TV, bill boards, pubs in the street, off licences, aisle 6 in Tescos, etc.
Shall we blame the commercials and the ever readily available booze, or should the alkie trying to stop take some responsibility for their drinking?
Tescos don't give a fig if they sell alkies booze either, as long as they get their cash.
And?
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My ex girlfriends dad died from his alcoholism , is everybody going to say put the landlords and off license owners in prison?
Spot on.
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Prison sounds like an holiday camp !!! That's why people don't care if they affend te and time again as its a joke !!! Should make prisons like they do I'm Thailand that will stop offenders reafending !!!!
Ps don't know why you opened another Topic sick of hearing about Richie wilts. Think of the youngsters that died from drug dealers. Don't care about this and that he knew what he was doing but didn't care !!!!!
Speak to someone that as lost a child from drug dealers. Got no time for them it's just greed and money they don't care who's lives they wreck, just as bad as peados to me.
If it was abit of blow fair do's but you was selling hard stuff to get the sentence you got !!!! Say no more you probably will start doing it again later when work goes quiet. Easy Money !!!!!
Well said danny, on form as per usual,
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If a child of mine died of a drugs overdose i would blame him , not the drug dealer .
you make your own choices in life and have to live with the consequences.
My ex girlfriends dad died from his alcoholism , is everybody going to say put the landlords and off license owners in prison?
So if I sell you a gun knowing full well you are going to shoot someone with it, then I'm completely innocent and morality also plays no part.
Maybe, like with alcohol, an advertising campaign could be started which has a slogan 'Take crack cocaine sensibly' or how about 'Jack up with heroin in moderation'?
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If a child of mine died of a drugs overdose i would blame him , not the drug dealer .
you make your own choices in life and have to live with the consequences.
My ex girlfriends dad died from his alcoholism , is everybody going to say put the landlords and off license owners in prison?
Not always as simple as that...i had a mate die years ago from drug abuse
near the end he really was trying his hardest to quit the local dealers
were literally banging his door several times a week,myself and couple
of other friends saw them off a few times but you cant be there all
the time and the addiction was too much and he was a easy touch for
these guys he bought then he died.
Yes he got himself addicted but some of these sellers really dont
care how you end up as long as they get the cash out of your back
pocket,if they had laid off he might of had a chance :(
And alkies who're trying to quit drinking are faced with commercials on the TV, bill boards, pubs in the street, off licences, aisle 6 in Tescos, etc.
Shall we blame the commercials and the ever readily available booze, or should the alkie trying to stop take some responsibility for their drinking?
Tescos don't give a fig if they sell alkies booze either, as long as they get their cash.
And?
Not quite the same thing tosh! you can avoid tescos they arent knocking
your door every night.
l can see your point tosh and we are all responsible for our own actions
but in the area i used to live in these individuals wouldnt let go of people.
This was back in the late 80s in the end the residents of these local
streets drove the dealers and the prostitution out,it took some time
and caused trouble for a number of us but they were forced out in the
end.
No doubt the trouble just moved elsewhere...shame my mate didnt survive
it.
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If a child of mine died of a drugs overdose i would blame him , not the drug dealer .
you make your own choices in life and have to live with the consequences.
My ex girlfriends dad died from his alcoholism , is everybody going to say put the landlords and off license owners in prison?
So if I sell you a gun knowing full well you are going to shoot someone with it, then I'm completely innocent and morality also plays no part.
Maybe, like with alcohol, an advertising campaign could be started which has a slogan 'Take crack cocaine sensibly' or how about 'Jack up with heroin in moderation'?
I didn't say drug dealers are innocent but people still have to take responsibility for themselves , you don't have to buy drugs .
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Nope. People don't have to buy drugs but given a free reign, some will. That is why it is illegal, to protect those people from them selves which is part of the reason for having such rules in society.
Heroin addicts have absolutely no choice. The idea is to stop people from getting to that point.
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using that logic then alcohol should be illegal , to protect the alcoholics.
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Maybe alcohol should be illegal, but it's not.
That's no reason to accept what drug dealers do though.
There's a difference between alcoholics (in general) and serious drug users. Serious drug users, like heroin addicts, have absolutely no choice because heroin takes everything away from the person. Mind, body, soul, it takes the lot. It's takes pain, conscience, feelings, everything, untill there is nothing left but heroin.
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i don't accept what drug dealers do , i never said i did.
but what your saying of drug addicts is also true of alcoholics , I'm not talking heavy drinker but true alcoholics and it ruins your life in the same way as drugs ....... i know this because i have seen it first hand.
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Rules are rules though aren't they? I doubt Richie got jailed the first time for forgetting to pay his road tax!
The laws are there plain as day.
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I paid £4.60 for a pint last night ! :o
Now that really is criminal.
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I agree with Tosh.
There are casual drug users and addicts.
Same as casual drinkers and alcoholics.
The only person to blame if you become an alcoholic is yourself.
The only person to blame if you become a drug addict is yourself.
And as for the people saying I've got etc, perhaps educating them to make the right decisions would be better than moaning about the world and people in it.
There are some horrible people on this planet.
Plan accordingly.
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Nope. People don't have to buy drugs but given a free reign, some will. That is why it is illegal, to protect those people from them selves which is part of the reason for having such rules in society.
Heroin addicts have absolutely no choice. The idea is to stop people from getting to that point.
What about obese people? They're killing themselves with food and placing huge burdens on society; particularly the health service.
Should the state protect them too? Maybe they ought to put metal stakes into the aisle that sells doughnuts, and if they can't fit between them, then they're only allowed into the salad section?
How far does our nanny state go when it comes to removing individual responsibility and governing us like we're a daft sheep who knows no better?
In another post you're annoyed because you feel the way you're able to use language is restricted, yet you wish to restrict the freedoms of other individuals.
Can you reconcile this hypocrisy?
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The only person to blame if you become an alcoholic is yourself.
The only person to blame if you become a drug addict is yourself.
I know a shed load of alkies and addicts and the thing is not one of them have ever claimed to be responsible for being an alcoholic/addict; it's not like they chose it as a life-style choice, so I don't think they are to blame (and some of these folk are really intelligent too; including a government scientist who has a brain the size of a planet).
And of course, many don't even realise they're alcoholics or addicts till it's far far too late. No doubt there's alkies/addicts reading this post who wouldn't consider themselves to be as such.
I do think alkies/addicts are 100% responsible for their recovery though.
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The only person to blame if you become an alcoholic is yourself.
The only person to blame if you become a drug addict is yourself.
I know a shed load of alkies and addicts and the thing is not one of them have ever claimed to be responsible for being an alcoholic/addict; they wouldn't, would they. They're addicts. Looking to run away from whatever rather than deal with their problem. The fact is, no-one forced them (on the whole I'd imagine) to drink to excess or start on 'soft' drugs. It was a choice they made. Followed by another choice to have another drink, when they finished that one, they chose again, all by themselves, to have another drink. One may not like it, but that is a fact. Even coerced to have another drink or enticed by advertising in one way or another, we all make our own choices.it's not like they chose it as a life-style choice, so I don't think they are to blame.
And of course, many don't even realise they're alcoholics or addicts till it's far far too late. No doubt there's alkies/addicts reading this post who wouldn't consider themselves to be as such.
I do think alkies/addicts are 100% responsible for their recovery though.
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they wouldn't, would they. They're addicts. Looking to run away from whatever rather than deal with their problem. The fact is, no-one forced them (on the whole I'd imagine) to drink to excess or start on 'soft' drugs. It was a choice they made. Followed by another choice to have another drink, when they finished that one, they chose again, all by themselves, to have another drink. One may not like it, but that is a fact. Even coerced to have another drink or enticed by advertising in one way or another, we all make our own choices.
Okay then, from my own experience, at no stage did I ever decide I was going to be an alcoholic. In my yoof, I didn't think my drinking was any different from the next red-blooded-blokes; most of whom never became an alky; yet I became an alcoholic without even choosing to be one.
And - regardless of your ill-educated opinions - you'll find that alcoholism is classified as a mental health disorder by all respected medical health organisations; and again, it's strange to think that people would choose to have a mental health disorder.
You also seem to have missed the last line of the post as well, which states that even though alkies have not chosen to be such, they're 100% responsible for their recovery from said illness.
And we do not have free-will; if you think we do, use your 'free-will' to choose never to get angry ever again. You will fail because your will isn't free; it's based on causes and conditions.
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they wouldn't, would they. They're addicts. Looking to run away from whatever rather than deal with their problem. The fact is, no-one forced them (on the whole I'd imagine) to drink to excess or start on 'soft' drugs. It was a choice they made. Followed by another choice to have another drink, when they finished that one, they chose again, all by themselves, to have another drink. One may not like it, but that is a fact. Even coerced to have another drink or enticed by advertising in one way or another, we all make our own choices.
Okay then, from my own experience, at no stage did I ever decide I was going to be an alcoholic. In my yoof, I didn't think my drinking was any different from the next red-blooded-blokes; most of whom never became an alky; yet I became an alcoholic without even choosing to be one.
And - regardless of your ill-educated opinions - you'll find that alcoholism is classified as a mental health disorder by all respected medical health organisations; and again, it's strange to think that people would choose to have a mental health disorder.
You also seem to have missed the last line of the post as well, which states that even though alkies have not chosen to be such, they're 100% responsible for their recovery from said illness.
And we do not have free-will; if you think we do, use your 'free-will' to choose never to get angry ever again. You will fail because your will isn't free; it's based on causes and conditions.
Understand all of that bud.
And your position.
Yes it could be a mental illness but it's not before one starts drinking. If you know what I mean.
Sorry Tosh, you did choose. Perhaps not a conscious decision, but you did choose to have that next drink.
I'm not trying to change your mind on how you feel, point the finger or anything else. Just stating my opinion.
We do have free will. Not ultimate free will but free will to a degree.
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Pole king - How can you have free will to a degree? To be free is to have no restriction so how can you still have free will but only within certain criteria...?
You either have it or you dont....?
I have to say on the whol i'm finding myself agreeing with tosh...
There are alot of random and ill informed posts on this thread, and a few people who maybe read a little too much if the daily mail ;)
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Pole king - How can you have free will to a degree? To be free is to have no restriction so how can you still have free will but only within certain criteria...?
You either have it or you dont....?
hmmm, looks like I'm wrong. You're right, it's either completely free, or it's not.
I'd like to modify my post to say, 'choice' instead.
People still choose how much they drink.
I have to say on the whol i'm finding myself agreeing with tosh...
There are alot of random and ill informed posts on this thread, and a few people who maybe read a little too much if the daily mail ;)
I agree with a lot of what Tosh says but he believes it wasn't his fault that he became an alcoholic.
But it was.
There were external influences and perceptions etc but he gave his money to the landlord in exchange for a pint. Under no duress. His choice. Same for every other drinker.
I don't read The Mail (used to read The Times or The Sun but it's rare I but the paper these days)
My perceptions on alcohol are based on my own family.
Every single member of my family on my dad's side is an alcoholic (my dad is dry now though)
It's definitely in me. At the moment though, I'm not an alcoholic. That may change in the future, I hope not, but I may succomb to my genes in time.
It's definitely there.
But at the moment, I'm choosing not to drink to excess.
If in the future I do end up an alcoholic, it will be entirely through my choosing.
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Sorry Tosh, you did choose. Perhaps not a conscious decision, but you did choose to have that next drink.
Lots of folk have that 'next drink' yet aren't alkies, nor do they become one.
And I wonder if you can see the irony of your post? If I don't make a conscious decision to become something, then where does my free will come into it? Maybe you ought to think about what free will actually is? You'll actually find - if you investigate it properly - that it's a mere illusion; there's a wealth of evidence which constitutes proof of this.
I also don't make a conscious decision to grow older, yet I still do. Your logic would infer that I also choose to grow old too.
Personally, I don't think being sober is a choice of mine either. That happened because of a bunch of causes and conditions that came together at the right time. Religious folk may call it 'God', but I'm not religious.
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Sorry Tosh, you did choose. Perhaps not a conscious decision, but you did choose to have that next drink.
Lots of folk have that 'next drink' yet aren't alkies, nor do they become one.
And I wonder if you can see the irony of your post? If I don't make a conscious decision to become something, then where does my free will come into it? Maybe you ought to think about what free will actually is? You'll actually find - if you investigate it properly - that it's a mere illusion; there's a wealth of evidence which constitutes proof of this.
I also don't make a conscious decision to grow older, yet I still do. Your logic would infer that I also choose to grow old too.
Personally, I don't think being sober is a choice of mine either. That happened because of a bunch of causes and conditions that came together at the right time. Religious folk may call it 'God', but I'm not religious.
I think you know what I mean.
And I think you agree.
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Lol yeah sorry, the daily mail bit was an opinion on a few peoples posts not specifically you mate!
By you describing alcoholism as 'in your genes' and that you may 'succumb' to it, surely you are suggesting that it isnt choice?
You are choosing not to fufill the temptation (if you have it) but not the alcoholism itself
You choose to drink but you dont choose to be an alcoholic...
Yes tosh may have drank a few too many, and this then may have led to him then 'needing a drink' (at some point i'd imagine you cross a line without realising) but by your suggestion, if the alcoholism was already in him he didnt choose to be an alkie did he?
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I think you know what I mean.
And I think you agree.
I'm not sure I am. If you're saying I chose to drink to much, I disagree. And if you're saying I chose to be an alcoholic, I disagree with that too. That would - on the face of it - be stupid.
I think the problem is that you don't understand what the problem is. Alcoholism/addiction isn't a problem of choice, it's a problem of 'no choice'. Humans are often driven by their feelings. We feel and those feelings create intentions; feelings are the generator - the engine - of everything we do. Feelings not only create intentions, but they condition intentions too.
Being mindful of our actions - as you are with your drinking - is great. But I didn't have the choice to be mindful at the time. And you're only mindful because you're smart enough to be mindful, I wasn't. You didn't choose to be smart, either; that's based on causes and conditions (outside of your control) too. So put that pride down, Poleking, you don't deserve it. Credit it to God if you like.
I'm just helping you to be less judgemental. If you still don't understand, I'm happy with that; no skin of my good-looking nose.
But knowing what I know now, if I could actually choose to be a recovered alcoholic, rather than a normal drinker, I'd choose to be an alcoholic any day.
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What about obese people? They're killing themselves with food and placing huge burdens on society; particularly the health service.
Should the state protect them too? Maybe they ought to put metal stakes into the aisle that sells doughnuts, and if they can't fit between them, then they're only allowed into the salad section?
How far does our nanny state go when it comes to removing individual responsibility and governing us like we're a daft sheep who knows no better?
In another post you're annoyed because you feel the way you're able to use language is restricted, yet you wish to restrict the freedoms of other individuals.
Can you reconcile this hypocrisy?
My post was about one word and about it not being allowed to be used in the proper context out of fear of the politically correct. That's a wholly different scenario to the question of being allowed to be free, or not, to take any drug going.
Just because the state deems it sensible to place restrictions in certain areas, that does not necessarily mean it's a nanny state.
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Anyone seen the top grossing free app on the app store??
Coincidence!! ;D
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Anyone seen the top grossing free app on the app store??
Coincidence!! ;D
100 Balls?
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There is no difference between alcoholism and hard drug addiction , in fact alcohol is proven to be the most toxic substance and most physically damaging of all drugs. The real difference is the law,
Why do drug dealers push hard drugs? Because there is a demand for hard drugs, they are illegal so there is only one place to obtain them and that is from sometimes unscrupulous dealers.
How would it be if Alcohol was illegal but heroin ,cocaine etc was legal and available from the high street?
You got it , these scumbag lowlife dealers would be at your door pushing vodka and whiskey and absinthe to people with deteriorating and dying livers who are holding onto life by a thread,
What is the difference?
The law , nothing else.
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There is no difference between alcoholism and hard drug addiction ,
I disagree. Alkies are the Elite when it comes to mental health problems and all other forms of addiction. ;D
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Pole king - How can you have free will to a degree? To be free is to have no restriction so how can you still have free will but only within certain criteria...?
You either have it or you dont....?
hmmm, looks like I'm wrong. You're right, it's either completely free, or it's not.
I'd like to modify my post to say, 'choice' instead.
People still choose how much they drink.
I have to say on the whol i'm finding myself agreeing with tosh...
There are alot of random and ill informed posts on this thread, and a few people who maybe read a little too much if the daily mail ;)
I agree with a lot of what Tosh says but he believes it wasn't his fault that he became an alcoholic.
But it was.
There were external influences and perceptions etc but he gave his money to the landlord in exchange for a pint. Under no duress. His choice. Same for every other drinker.
I don't read The Mail (used to read The Times or The Sun but it's rare I but the paper these days)
My perceptions on alcohol are based on my own family.
Every single member of my family on my dad's side is an alcoholic (my dad is dry now though)
It's definitely in me. At the moment though, I'm not an alcoholic. That may change in the future, I hope not, but I may succomb to my genes in time.
It's definitely there.
But at the moment, I'm choosing not to drink to excess.
If in the future I do end up an alcoholic, it will be entirely through my choosing.
What about a young teenager in an abusive family who turns to drink or drugs is it his or her fault.
Its not the same for every drinker or drug user some take it because their lives are a living hell.
By the way you don't need to drink to excess to become an alcoholic.
Being an alcoholic could mean you only drink a glass or bottle of wine on a Saturday night but must have
it every Saturday night.
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Anyone seen the top grossing free app on the app store??
Coincidence!! ;D
100 Balls?
Weed Firm!
A game were you have to grow plants and sell to people knocking at the door! ;D
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Why do drug dealers push hard drugs?
The law , nothing else.
In my experience, drug dealers do not push hard drugs. They don't need to. They push drugs in the same way that a barman "pushes" alcohol. It is a daft notion. The idea of dealers hanging around schools to get kids started on drugs is daft too.
Who's getting ped at the show in Bridport over the weekend?
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There is no difference between alcoholism and hard drug addiction , in fact alcohol is proven to be the most toxic substance and most physically damaging of all drugs. The real difference is the law,
Why do drug dealers push hard drugs? Because there is a demand for hard drugs, they are illegal so there is only one place to obtain them and that is from sometimes unscrupulous dealers.
How would it be if Alcohol was illegal but heroin ,cocaine etc was legal and available from the high street?
You got it , these scumbag lowlife dealers would be at your door pushing vodka and whiskey and absinthe to people with deteriorating and dying livers who are holding onto life by a thread,
What is the difference?
The law , nothing else.
There is a world of difference between a serious alcoholic and a heroin addict. Take some time and research it on the internet.
You start a sentence 'how would it be', which is a question and then answer it with 'you got it' as if it's already proven. The truth is there is no knowing the answer to that question.
The difference is, rightly or wrongly, alcohol is legal and drugs aren't.
Alcohol was in society long before modern laws were, hard drugs weren't.
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I think you know what I mean.
And I think you agree.
I'm not sure I am. If you're saying I chose to drink to much, I disagree. You chose how much you drank, it was too much, but you chose. And if you're saying I chose to be an alcoholic, I disagree with that too. I wasn't That would - on the face of it - be stupid.
I think the problem is that you don't understand what the problem is. Alcoholism/addiction isn't a problem of choice, it's a problem of 'no choice'. There is always a choice. You may not like your options, but there will be a choice. Humans are often driven by their feelings. We feel and those feelings create intentions; feelings are the generator - the engine - of everything we do. Feelings not only create intentions, but they condition intentions too.
Being mindful of our actions - as you are with your drinking - is great. But I didn't have the choice to be mindful at the time. You did. You chose not to be mindful. And you're only mindful because you're smart enough to be mindful, I wasn't. There are levels of smart, some are further up the scale than others You didn't choose to be smart, either; that's based on causes and conditions (outside of your control) too. So put that pride down, Poleking, you don't deserve it. Credit it to God if you like. Pride, me? Not really. Im a lot younger than you, having had (from what i can gather) a comparatively easier life. Nothing has really 'driven me to drink'. If i make 60, 70, 80 perhaps i could be proud of myself then, but not now. Not yet.
In fact i did post earlier, it's in my genes. It could only be a matter of time. And believe it or not, I'm not judgemental of you Tosh. Same as I'm not of my dad or the family. I realise that some of them saw the demon drink as their only way out. It wasn't, but they couldn't see that at the time.
I'm just helping you to be less judgemental. If you still don't understand, I'm happy with that; no skin of my good-looking nose. I'm sure your nose is lovely, its the hole under it that lets you down ;D
But knowing what I know now, if I could actually choose to be a recovered alcoholic, rather than a normal drinker, I'd choose to be an alcoholic any day.
I get that. It gives you perspective. An, to a degree, freedom of speech.
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Pole king - How can you have free will to a degree? To be free is to have no restriction so how can you still have free will but only within certain criteria...?
You either have it or you dont....?
hmmm, looks like I'm wrong. You're right, it's either completely free, or it's not.
I'd like to modify my post to say, 'choice' instead.
People still choose how much they drink.
I have to say on the whol i'm finding myself agreeing with tosh...
There are alot of random and ill informed posts on this thread, and a few people who maybe read a little too much if the daily mail ;)
I agree with a lot of what Tosh says but he believes it wasn't his fault that he became an alcoholic.
But it was.
There were external influences and perceptions etc but he gave his money to the landlord in exchange for a pint. Under no duress. His choice. Same for every other drinker.
I don't read The Mail (used to read The Times or The Sun but it's rare I but the paper these days)
My perceptions on alcohol are based on my own family.
Every single member of my family on my dad's side is an alcoholic (my dad is dry now though)
It's definitely in me. At the moment though, I'm not an alcoholic. That may change in the future, I hope not, but I may succomb to my genes in time.
It's definitely there.
But at the moment, I'm choosing not to drink to excess.
If in the future I do end up an alcoholic, it will be entirely through my choosing.
What about a young teenager in an abusive family who turns to drink or drugs is it his or her fault. Yes. There are other ways.
Its not the same for every drinker or drug user some take it because their lives are a living hell.
By the way you don't need to drink to excess to become an alcoholic.
Being an alcoholic could mean you only drink a glass or bottle of wine on a Saturday night but must have
it every Saturday night. Agreed. Perhaps i should've said drink to dependancy
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There is no difference between alcoholism and hard drug addiction ,
I disagree. Alkies are the Elite when it comes to mental health problems and all other forms of addiction. ;D
Shock! horror! Tosh disagrees.
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I think that using the word "fault" in these scenarios is an integral part of the problem. "Fault" and "blame" are great companions that can appear to have a symbiotic relationship with each other; yet they are nonentities. How someone got to their rock bottom or what or who may have helped trigger that is irrelevant IMO. The real issue is what someone does to sort their problems out - while bearing in mind that social acceptability and genuine recovery are not the same thing. Many can start recovering and build socially acceptable lives after the debauchery - but it's what goes on inside that is the key to sustaining it. I suppose someone could build a business with £10 million a year profit, have beautiful things to admire and have loads of hangers on as "friends". Such things are not worth a light if always feeling like jelly inside and fearing one's own shadow.
I think the problem with looking for a common denominator for causes of addiction is that there isn't one. For some people it might be more about they started dabbling and it gradually took over; for someone else it might be about them having an undiagnosed psychiatric problem which gets blocked out by excesses; for someone else it might be about blocking out past trauma - even stuff that they didn't realise was trauma - and there are a whole range of circumstances that lead people to getting messed up. In that I include people who had none of the preceding issues and may be totally baffled about how it happened.
So I put it out there that "taking the blame" and "taking responsibility" are different. Not everyone seems to realise that.
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Serious questions for Richy.
Did you get any counselling/psychotherapy in prison?
Did you get the option of going on a drug-free wing?
Were there any visiting NA meetings and if so, did you attend?
ive never had a problem with drugs dont get me wrong i have used them but i rarely drink or take drugs maybe once every few months
i found that the prison only see taking away your liberty and sometimes proceeds of crime in form of taking away your money are the only punishments or rehabillitation drug dealers are subjected too
there are special wings for those who are addicted to drink n drugs and its sad to see how they look even after being inside so it does put things into persepctive what the results of my drug dealing could do for people even tho they tend to heroin and crack users
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Serious questions for Richy.
Did you get any counselling/psychotherapy in prison?
Did you get the option of going on a drug-free wing?
Were there any visiting NA meetings and if so, did you attend?
ive never had a problem with drugs dont get me wrong i have used them but i rarely drink or take drugs maybe once every few months
i found that the prison only see taking away your liberty and sometimes proceeds of crime in form of taking away your money are the only punishments or rehabillitation drug dealers are subjected too
there are special wings for those who are addicted to drink n drugs and its sad to see how they look even after being inside so it does put things into persepctive what the results of my drug dealing could do for people even tho they tend to heroin and crack users
You missed a trick there. If you had pretended to be addicted you might have just been "sentenced" to a treatment centre and got a sentence deferral.
Although I won't join in with the small gang on here who want your head on a plate, I'm afraid that much of the sympathy I might have had for you has just evaporated. It is easier have compassion for someone dealing in order to feed their habit but not so much for someone who's after a fast buck. Having written that though, I would agree that some sort of rehabilitation is a good idea - even if it mainly consists of an attitude adjustment. I still believe that a dealer without a habit has a problem - even if it's mainly about finding it difficult to empathise. I'm probably easier going than most because I do believe that the legalisation of drugs (with the usual caveats of age, mental responsibility, removed from crime and some control by the state etc.) is inevitable once the subject is no longer used as a political football. It would need to be accompanied by a major education program though.
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I'm probably easier going than most because I do believe that the legalisation of drugs (with the usual caveats of age, mental responsibility, removed from crime and some control by the state etc.) is inevitable once the subject is no longer used as a political football. It would need to be accompanied by a major education program though.
I'm coming around to this way of thinking too. Prohibition in the US didn't work, all it did was make 'drug dealers' (they sold alcohol) rich.
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It's a bit of a myth that prohibition didn't work at all.
Alcohol consumption dropped by just over 50%.
By 1940 alcohol consumption was greater than pre prohibition so on that basis, if we want more drug addicts, legalise drugs.
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What about the violent crime figures during prohibition and after?
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Violent crime remained pretty much constant during prohibition.
Organised crime also remained constant but became more visible due to prohibition leading to the miss held belief that there was an explosion of organised crime.
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Violent crime remained pretty much constant during prohibition.
Organised crime also remained constant but became more visible due to prohibition leading to the miss held belief that there was an explosion of organised crime.
What's your sources?
BBC GCSE suggests you're wrong.
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The only way to deal with crime is to have snatch squads that storm criminals houses/offices etc and take them out! Dump the bodies on landfill sites or burn them & use the funds from their criminal profits to build new hospitals and feed the poor. It will also cut out all the red tape & reduce court costs dramatically. A soft liberal nanny approach will never ever make a difference! ;)
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The only way to deal with crime is to have snatch squads that storm criminals houses/offices etc and take them out! Dump the bodies on landfill sites or burn them & use the funds from their criminal profits to build new hospitals and feed the poor. It will also cut out all the red tape & reduce court costs dramatically. A soft liberal nanny approach will never ever make a difference! ;)
That would wreck the window cleaning industry.
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The only way to deal with crime is to have snatch squads that storm criminals houses/offices etc and take them out! Dump the bodies on landfill sites or burn them & use the funds from their criminal profits to build new hospitals and feed the poor. It will also cut out all the red tape & reduce court costs dramatically. A soft liberal nanny approach will never ever make a difference! ;)
;D
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The only way to deal with crime is to have snatch squads that storm criminals houses/offices etc and take them out! Dump the bodies on landfill sites or burn them & use the funds from their criminal profits to build new hospitals and feed the poor. It will also cut out all the red tape & reduce court costs dramatically. A soft liberal nanny approach will never ever make a difference! ;)
Slapheads that grow beards should have to face the same consequences. They've always got something to hide.
(http://www.jdwindowcleaningservices.co.uk/images/Jason%20Dunlop.jpg)
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It's to stop them looking like a bowling ball Matt..
;D ;D
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Effective ;0)
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Violent crime remained pretty much constant during prohibition.
Organised crime also remained constant but became more visible due to prohibition leading to the miss held belief that there was an explosion of organised crime.
What's your sources?
BBC GCSE suggests you're wrong.
Sussex University Archives suggests I'm right.
(na nah na nah na)
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That's just cruel fellas! The bald bloke always gets the stick...... :P