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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Lee Burbidge on May 02, 2014, 11:49:01 pm

Title: Smart Flow
Post by: Lee Burbidge on May 02, 2014, 11:49:01 pm
A Smart Flow Installation http://youtu.be/QKhHzSSZfvM
Title: Re: Smart Flow
Post by: Spruce on May 03, 2014, 07:49:20 am
What did they do with the spare wheel?
Title: Re: Smart Flow
Post by: Clever Forum Name on May 03, 2014, 07:55:48 am
When full it's a lot of weight/water to have behind your head.

Good video, but no different to any other WFP installer.

Wydale tank,frame and pump.

I bet the DI is a mission to remove as well lol
Title: Re: Smart Flow
Post by: craig21t on May 03, 2014, 07:28:42 pm
Also sounds like he had the hammer action on, on his drill when drilling metal @ 3min 30???
Title: Re: Smart Flow
Post by: Smudger on May 03, 2014, 07:49:14 pm
Heath Robinson comes to mind here,

Sorry, for me that install does the company no favours


Darran
Title: Re: Smart Flow
Post by: ♠Winp®oClean♠ on May 03, 2014, 08:22:15 pm
The system looks fine to me, I would however be concerned with the weight limit of that van, it looks like an Astra van?? ???
Title: Re: Smart Flow
Post by: Clever Forum Name on May 03, 2014, 08:36:41 pm
It will be close.

But I am guessing no ladders,no second battery etc.

650kg payload.
Title: Re: Smart Flow
Post by: PoleKing on May 03, 2014, 08:42:22 pm
Also sounds like he had the hammer action on, on his drill when drilling metal @ 3min 30???

Think it's a step drill mate.

Don't get the secrecy-blanked out faces & polo logo.
Don't get why the fella would go to that company-looks like a company one step up from DIY but you're paying for at least 3 lads time.
Title: Re: Smart Flow
Post by: Jonny 87 on May 03, 2014, 09:10:33 pm
Also sounds like he had the hammer action on, on his drill when drilling metal @ 3min 30???

Think it's a step drill mate.

Don't get the secrecy-blanked out faces & polo logo.
Don't get why the fella would go to that company-looks like a company one step up from DIY but you're paying for at least 3 lads time.

+1

After that video I wouldn't be wanting to get my van kitted our there.

Atleast they got the polish guy to give an interview......:)
Title: Re: Smart Flow
Post by: SeanK on May 03, 2014, 11:22:16 pm
Sorry but it looks like a cowboy convention to me.
I mean if your going to be on film at least get a set of sharp drill bits and have a roof over your head.
Nothing smart about that installation.
Title: Re: Smart Flow
Post by: Mitchellmoxo on May 04, 2014, 12:36:42 am
Where does the hose reel go?
Title: Re: Smart Flow
Post by: STEVE-UK on May 05, 2014, 07:41:24 pm
For a one man band the industrial unit looked pretty big, I assumed the guy from smart flow arranged for a local garage to fit the system, He turned to talk to custy and meet Lee

The frame looks ok but I would be disappointed that it was not made of stainless steel
Title: Re: Smart Flow
Post by: Clever Forum Name on May 05, 2014, 07:50:15 pm
Where does the hose reel go?

Glove box.
Title: Re: Smart Flow
Post by: Scrimble on May 05, 2014, 10:06:07 pm
van overweight, pants wydale tank,  lugging hose reel in and out of van all day,

where does the hose reel go? on the passenger seat?

not for me thanks

Title: Re: Smart Flow
Post by: Simon Mess on May 06, 2014, 08:33:44 am
Agree with most of the comments so far (payload vs tank size, and hose reel location?!), but i don't know anything about wydale tanks, what is the problem with them?.

Title: Re: Smart Flow
Post by: Lee Burbidge on May 06, 2014, 10:34:53 am
Also sounds like he had the hammer action on, on his drill when drilling metal @ 3min 30???

Think it's a step drill mate.

Don't get the secrecy-blanked out faces & polo logo.
Don't get why the fella would go to that company-looks like a company one step up from DIY but you're paying for at least 3 lads time.
Hi John didnt want to be on film so we blanked him out. The logo was asked to be blanked out too :)
Title: Re: Smart Flow
Post by: Lee Burbidge on May 06, 2014, 10:37:42 am
I can get Jim Burford to answer some of the questions you are asking if you like. WCM TV covers everything in the industry so that people can see all sides of the industry.
Title: Re: Smart Flow
Post by: Scrimble on May 06, 2014, 11:26:27 am
Agree with most of the comments so far (payload vs tank size, and hose reel location?!), but i don't know anything about wydale tanks, what is the problem with them?.



my gripe with wydale tanks is that they are unbaffled, they have molds in them which are there to strengthen the tank but they are sold as baffled tanks by many wfp suppliers,

I got fed up with feeling sea sick everytime i drove my van and had a proper polypropylene baffled tank made up, it feels like a solid load you can hardly feel any water movement, the difference is massive,

I wouldnt like to drive round in that astra, have seen worse but its not exactly user friendly
Title: Re: Smart Flow
Post by: Mitchellmoxo on May 06, 2014, 11:56:27 am
I think wydale tanks are ok up to around 400L

I have had a 350L upright which had minimal water movement.

250L flat which was similar.

650L flat what felt like a bath tub was in the back
Title: Re: Smart Flow
Post by: Simon Mess on May 06, 2014, 01:22:14 pm
When i set up my current van, i assumed that the main danger from water sloshing about would have been from side to side, so i mounted the tank with the baffle in line (this, despite my previous van, which had its system fitted by a company, having the baffles across the van!). Immediately after i started using it, i was freaked out by the fore-aft movement of the water whenever i came to a stop or pulled away!. I don't know if it was just that it made me drive smoother, or i just got used to it, but after a few months i stopped noticing it!.

Title: Re: Smart Flow
Post by: Pete Thompson on May 06, 2014, 02:04:24 pm
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WCM TV covers everything in the industry so that people can see all sides of the industry.

Especially the rubbishy cowboy side of the industry judging by this video.
Title: Re: Smart Flow
Post by: Clever Forum Name on May 06, 2014, 02:47:03 pm
Oh dear. I don't think this video has helped his business at all.

I think he needs to come on here and answer a few questions.
Title: Re: Smart Flow
Post by: alfie11 on May 06, 2014, 03:25:48 pm
If the customer wanted that size tank fitted in that van I don't see how it could have been done much different.
Title: Re: Smart Flow
Post by: ♠Winp®oClean♠ on May 06, 2014, 03:52:03 pm
Nothing wrong with Wydale tanks & the system looks ok to me. Like I said earlier, my only concern would be the size of tank in that particular van.
Title: Re: Smart Flow
Post by: Smudger on May 06, 2014, 06:18:02 pm
If the customer wanted that size tank fitted in that van I don't see how it could have been done much different.

So they would be happy to fit knowing that it would be legally overweight when full ?
Surely part of being "professionally" fitted would be to advise on correct size for safety,
At the very least get customer to sign a disclaimer, and for your biz reputation don't go videoing it.

Totally agree about Wyvale tanks, I now use ibc tanks with perforated drainage pipe, I don't any slosh or sway now

Darran
Title: Re: Smart Flow
Post by: alfie11 on May 06, 2014, 06:54:59 pm
If the customer wanted that size tank fitted in that van I don't see how it could have been done much different.

So they would be happy to fit knowing that it would be legally overweight when full ?
Surely part of being "professionally" fitted would be to advise on correct size for safety,
At the very least get customer to sign a disclaimer, and for your biz reputation don't go videoing it.

Totally agree about Wyvale tanks, I now use ibc tanks with perforated drainage pipe, I don't any slosh or sway now

Darran

why is it overweight  650 payload 

tank +water = 430 kg

frame +RO+DI my guess would be 20kg so 200kg for pole/reel/ fuel+ driver+ karcher window vac  ;D


 I cant see it being overweight unless a right fatty was driving.



Title: Re: Smart Flow
Post by: Avo on May 07, 2014, 07:38:52 am
I guess the key question here is how much is it fully fitted? I wouldn't be going there in a hurry :o  to me it looks like they ordered all the parts from eBay and set about fitting it to your van for you.
Title: Re: Smart Flow
Post by: SeanK on May 07, 2014, 10:15:44 am
Any thoughts on why one guy didn't want his face shown ?
Could some of the labour costs be subsidised by the tax payer by any chance.
Sorry in advance if Iv jumped to the wrong conclusion.
Title: Re: Smart Flow
Post by: Smudger on May 07, 2014, 07:38:23 pm
Not every1 wants their 15 minutes of fame.... :-\

Alfie, so your "guess" that van is not overweight ? 
Well I concede that may be the case, but only if you are under the average weight of 85 kilos in weight, and only have quarter of tank of fuel, you should be ok with a window vac as your spare tyre is missing !!!

Please bear in mind that the RO weights more once used and holds a fair bit of water so the filters, di vessel and hose reel adding even more weight to the water in the actual tank.

However, regardless of our guesses, the only sure way is to have the vehicle weighed.

My observations are, it's a very poor "professionally" fitted setup. Just my opinion

Darran
Title: Re: Smart Flow
Post by: nokmond on May 08, 2014, 01:49:05 pm
Is it just me or is this forum full of payload bore Lords?  ::)roll
Title: Re: Smart Flow
Post by: Clever Forum Name on May 08, 2014, 02:07:06 pm
Is it just me or is this forum full of payload bore Lords?  ::)roll

Just you.