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Title: water tank frame vs ratchet strap
Post by: johnny bravo on April 23, 2014, 04:40:30 pm
how many would prefer to use a heavy duty ratchet strap to secure tank,  rather than bolt a frame over there water tank
Title: Re: water tank frame vs ratchet strap
Post by: Simon Mess on April 23, 2014, 04:43:15 pm
This is a real can of worms, you sure you want to do this? ;D

For what it is worth, as long as it is done correctly, ratchet straps are perfectly safe, despite what many on here are about to tell you ;)
Title: Re: water tank frame vs ratchet strap
Post by: johnny bravo on April 23, 2014, 04:48:00 pm
its a case of keeping my water tank frame,   or selling it,     and just getting some 5 ton ratchet straps to secure it to eyelets in van,  or securing it to the bulkhead
Title: Re: water tank frame vs ratchet strap
Post by: duncan h on April 23, 2014, 05:09:52 pm
Thinking the same. Ratchet straps are safe for many tons on wagons, so we should be ok. Downside is, its not as neat. Straps may get in way.
Then again. No drilling van floor. Can be taken out quickly, so kids and dogs go in back  :D
If your using it for a few years, for nothing but its use. Drill away
Title: Re: water tank frame vs ratchet strap
Post by: johnny bravo on April 23, 2014, 06:06:34 pm
what would i expect to be charged if i got a garage to bolt it into van floor, you will need plates under floor to secure bolts and tank.
  most of pics ive seen are all strapped in to eye lets on van floor,    or secured to bulkhead via homemade alliminium lats or ratchet straps.
Title: Re: water tank frame vs ratchet strap
Post by: Clever Forum Name on April 23, 2014, 06:19:57 pm
What van have you got now?
Title: Re: water tank frame vs ratchet strap
Post by: dazmond on April 23, 2014, 06:32:39 pm
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1398274320_1397412576159.jpg)

500L baffled tank and frame £400
Title: Re: water tank frame vs ratchet strap
Post by: dazmond on April 23, 2014, 06:33:50 pm
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1398274394_1397412550139.jpg)

local garage fitted it through van floor for £100. ;) :)
Title: Re: water tank frame vs ratchet strap
Post by: johnny bravo on April 23, 2014, 07:37:55 pm
did you need to supply anything daz,     or did you just arive with the tank and frame.    they supplied everything  to secure it.  100% safe
Title: Re: water tank frame vs ratchet strap
Post by: dazmond on April 24, 2014, 07:28:06 am
the garage made the spreader plates.the bolts for the van floor were supplied with the frame.they had to drop the fuel tank and exhaust to fit it securely!

im well happy with it.the way the tanks been fitted(long ways)i dont get any sloshing about or seasick feeling at traffic lights with half a tank of pure! ;D

the tank and frame were bought from the cleaning warehouse and was delivered within 2 weeks. ;)
Title: Re: water tank frame vs ratchet strap
Post by: Scrimble on April 24, 2014, 07:40:46 am
No sloshing about dazmond? Yea right lol

Depends on the metal frame, if like dazmonds frame I'd rather have ratchet straps, but a proper metal frame is always better that straps

My tank is half down by metal straps so best of both
Title: Re: water tank frame vs ratchet strap
Post by: dazmond on April 24, 2014, 07:50:41 am
No sloshing about dazmond? Yea right lol

Depends on the metal frame, if like dazmonds frame I'd rather have ratchet straps, but a proper metal frame is always better that straps

My tank is half down by metal straps so best of both

im very happy with it mate!cheap too compared to fitted tanks by suppliers!! :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: water tank frame vs ratchet strap
Post by: AuRavelling79 on April 24, 2014, 04:54:09 pm
I have an angle iron frame (90 x 90 at the back. 75 x 75 sides and front) bolted through the floor to spreader plates and other bits of angle in certain places.

Then two 5 tonne ratchet straps wrapped around the (650L) tank "holes" three times each and tightened round the 90 x 90 angle.

The tank is against the manufacturers bulkhead.
Title: Re: water tank frame vs ratchet strap
Post by: Jonny 87 on April 24, 2014, 07:33:25 pm
I have an angle iron frame (90 x 90 at the back. 75 x 75 sides and front) bolted through the floor to spreader plates and other bits of angle in certain places.

Then two 5 tonne ratchet straps wrapped around the (650L) tank "holes" three times each and tightened round the 90 x 90 angle.

The tank is against the manufacturers bulkhead.

Do you know where to get those parts from? Uses I'm thinking it wrong. Is it a 90degree bracket type that you bolt through the floor and  the ratchet to that?

I'm probably thinking the wrong thing. Lol
Title: Re: water tank frame vs ratchet strap
Post by: AuRavelling79 on April 24, 2014, 08:34:25 pm
Jonny - go to a steel stockist and buy angle iron - I bought 75 x 75 mm and had it welded to the 90 x 90 to make a frame that the tank sits in.

Then as you say the frame is bolted through the van floor with plates or angle iron underneath and the ratchet straps wind round the tank through the baffle holes and the back of the frame (the 90 x 90 piece)
Title: Re: water tank frame vs ratchet strap
Post by: Jonny 87 on April 24, 2014, 09:49:14 pm
Jonny - go to a steel stockist and buy angle iron - I bought 75 x 75 mm and had it welded to the 90 x 90 to make a frame that the tank sits in.

Then as you say the frame is bolted through the van floor with plates or angle iron underneath and the ratchet straps wind round the tank through the baffle holes and the back of the frame (the 90 x 90 piece)

Got ya,

Thanks G.
Title: Re: water tank frame vs ratchet strap
Post by: rick trinder on April 24, 2014, 10:36:22 pm
i'm just not going to crash!!!! sellotape works for me!!! or a dab of no nails!!!
 
Title: Re: water tank frame vs ratchet strap
Post by: Dave Willis on April 25, 2014, 07:36:56 am
Daz's set up would scare the pants off of me I'm afraid. It looks as if the whole tank is relying on a one inch lip on the front of the base to prevent it sliding forwards.
Title: Re: water tank frame vs ratchet strap
Post by: dazmond on April 25, 2014, 07:51:02 am
dave if it was in your van if would of slid forward and killed you by now! ;D ;D ;D

the bottom frame is bolted down by 6 bolts through van floor with spreader plates.

the top 2 frames are bolted to the bottom  frame and sit tight around the top of the tank.

the tank sits inside the frame.the frame is 2 inches thick made of steel.it cant jump up over the edge!

simple really.the frame is heavy as well.

Title: Re: water tank frame vs ratchet strap
Post by: Dave Willis on April 25, 2014, 08:04:35 am
Two inches then  ::)roll

The tanks forward movement is only stopped by that lip - see what I mean?
Title: Re: water tank frame vs ratchet strap
Post by: dazmond on April 25, 2014, 08:09:20 am
Two inches then  ::)roll

The tanks forward movement is only stopped by that lip - see what I mean?

and the two top frames around the top of the tank!
Title: Re: water tank frame vs ratchet strap
Post by: andyM on April 25, 2014, 08:10:58 am
dave if it was in your van if would of slid forward and killed you by now! ;D ;D ;D

the bottom frame is bolted down by 6 bolts through van floor with spreader plates.

the top 2 frames are bolted to the bottom  frame and sit tight around the top of the tank.

the tank sits inside the frame.the frame is 2 inches thick made of steel.it cant jump up over the edge!

simple really.the frame is heavy as well.



Surprised there is room for that lot in a Mondeo?  ;D
Title: Re: water tank frame vs ratchet strap
Post by: dazmond on April 25, 2014, 08:20:13 am
dave if it was in your van if would of slid forward and killed you by now! ;D ;D ;D

the bottom frame is bolted down by 6 bolts through van floor with spreader plates.

the top 2 frames are bolted to the bottom  frame and sit tight around the top of the tank.

the tank sits inside the frame.the frame is 2 inches thick made of steel.it cant jump up over the edge!

simple really.the frame is heavy as well.



Surprised there is room for that lot in a Mondeo?  ;D

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: water tank frame vs ratchet strap
Post by: Dave Willis on April 25, 2014, 10:30:56 am
Two inches then  ::)roll

The tanks forward movement is only stopped by that lip - see what I mean?

and the two top frames around the top of the tank!

There isn't a top frame around the tank just two bands over the tank - they may prevent the tank lifting but all the forward force is on that lip at the bottom. I would have thought the tank would deform and simply carry on forward in a smash.
If your happy then fair enough but I wouldn't be happy with it.
Title: Re: water tank frame vs ratchet strap
Post by: dd on April 25, 2014, 10:48:56 am
Two inches then  ::)roll

The tanks forward movement is only stopped by that lip - see what I mean?

and the two top frames around the top of the tank!

There isn't a top frame around the tank just two bands over the tank - they may prevent the tank lifting but all the forward force is on that lip at the bottom. I would have thought the tank would deform and simply carry on forward in a smash.
If your happy then fair enough but I wouldn't be happy with it.
Have to agree. It just looks wrong. Sorry Daz.
Title: Re: water tank frame vs ratchet strap
Post by: johnny bravo on April 25, 2014, 05:06:00 pm
depends if you were hit from the sides,
id also bolt it to bulkhead , if flat on bulkhead