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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Archer on April 13, 2014, 05:32:58 pm
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No point asking simple questions on this forum, you only get "SPECIAL" people being clever.
Thank you to all the normal helpful comments from members.
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the employer can do whatever he see's fit, however the employee will be able to claim and go to an industrial tribunal for unfair dismissal and be pretty certain of winning I would have thought.
that of course if the employee is telling the whole truth
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Darran
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It all depends on circumstances Chris,
My guys have all been window cleaners long before they worked for me, if they'd fallen from a ladder and said that I'd not shown them how to use one and then they'd sued me, I'd definitely be ready to sack them and after that cut their head off.
Its an interesting question though. :)
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cant understand why any employer would let a new worker up the ladders with no training doesnt make sense
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Not enough information.
On the face - employer will lose the eventual tribunal.
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Thanks lads,
i know the score, but a friend was here and i was explaining it to him.
His employer has given him no training whatsoever in anything and obviously has a duty of care to his employees and members of the public which he has not implemented.
Once again,
Thanks
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I suppose it was better than talking about the demise of man utd :):)
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Doesn't matter if he's been shown or not if he's had an accident at work then he can
put in a claim for compensation.
If the employer then sacks him he can claim for unfair dismissal.
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Even if someone has experience in using a ladder, you should still provide training and get them to sign saying they have received it.
Simon
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Getting someone to sign something doesn't help at all.
It is the responsibility of the company to ensure that through risk assessment all and any risks have been identified and removed/reduced (through removing/re-working the task, method statements, safe systems of work, issue of PPE, training etc). You cant sign away your own or an employees safety.
You can have as many signed bits of paper as you want but without the previous you would be screwed. If the RA is effective and the resultant risks are manage correctly as a company you should not be liable. Wouldn't stop a shyster no win no fee lawyer trying to build a case mind.
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Gotta love the "a friend" thread lol.
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It all depends on circumstances Chris,
My guys have all been window cleaners long before they worked for me, if they'd fallen from a ladder and said that I'd not shown them how to use one and then they'd sued me, I'd definitely be ready to sack them and after that cut their head off.
Its an interesting question though. :)
When I was serving there was quite a famous case of a Royal Signals soldier who had been climbing ladders for 14 years, who fell, and sued the MOD because he'd never had any formal ladder training - or if he had - there was no documentation or proof that he had.
He won.
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My friend
What do you think ?
I think your friend is you; the title is a bit of a give away.
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Getting someone to sign something doesn't help at all.
It is the responsibility of the company to ensure that through risk assessment all and any risks have been identified and removed/reduced (through removing/re-working the task, method statements, safe systems of work, issue of PPE, training etc). You cant sign away your own or an employees safety.
You can have as many signed bits of paper as you want but without the previous you would be screwed. If the RA is effective and the resultant risks are manage correctly as a company you should not be liable. Wouldn't stop a shyster no win no fee lawyer trying to build a case mind.
Doesn't matter how many risk assessments you carry out if an employee is injured while working for you then your
liable.
What a risk assessment will stop is you being prosecuted for putting your employees in danger.
The reason you need to get an employee to sign it is to prove that the risks have been shown to him or her.
If there's nothing signed then its your word against theirs.
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Hi Tosh,
sorry to disappoint, but i had a friend here which is why i stated for a friend.
I know plenty about Health & Safety in the workplace and procedures for staff, as i have a number of large contracts where Health & Safety is paramount.
For that reason i also employ a Health & Safety consultant, so like to title stated it WAS for a friend.
You're weird, Archer, or you're drinking the bong water again. Firstly, the title of this post does not indicate you're asking for a friend, and if you employ a health and safety consultant, why don't you just ask him?
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why have you got to love the a friend thread ?
Re: If an employee has accident at work, if he claims against me - CAN I SACK HIM ?
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Hi Tosh,
sorry to disappoint, but i had a friend here which is why i stated for a friend.
I know plenty about Health & Safety in the workplace and procedures for staff, as i have a number of large contracts where Health & Safety is paramount.
For that reason i also employ a Health & Safety consultant, so like to title stated it WAS for a friend.
You're weird, Archer, or you're drinking the bong water again. Firstly, the title of this post does not indicate you're asking for a friend, and if you employ a health and safety consultant, why don't you just ask him?
Nice one.
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Oh no. Another phone call for me tonight after 12 am then ::)roll
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Getting someone to sign something doesn't help at all.
It is the responsibility of the company to ensure that through risk assessment all and any risks have been identified and removed/reduced (through removing/re-working the task, method statements, safe systems of work, issue of PPE, training etc). You cant sign away your own or an employees safety.
You can have as many signed bits of paper as you want but without the previous you would be screwed. If the RA is effective and the resultant risks are manage correctly as a company you should not be liable. Wouldn't stop a shyster no win no fee lawyer trying to build a case mind.
Doesn't matter how many risk assessments you carry out if an employee is injured while working for you then your
liable.
What a risk assessment will stop is you being prosecuted for putting your employees in danger.
The reason you need to get an employee to sign it is to prove that the risks have been shown to him or her.
If there's nothing signed then its your word against theirs.
Its difficult to say if the employer will be liable, its not as cut and dried as you suggest. Also a risk assesment in itself will not protect an employer. You need to make periodic checks to make sure they are adhering to the safe working practices you've implemented. IN the case of an accident you'd need to establish if your employee was following the practices they had been instructed to use. Clear as mud i know !! :-)
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Oh no. Another phone call for me tonight after 12 am then ::)roll
You're the Health and Safety Consultant ? ;D
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Oh no. Another phone call for me tonight after 12 am then ::)roll
You're the Health and Safety Consultant ? ;D
;D
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Oh no. Another phone call for me tonight after 12 am then ::)roll
You're the Health and Safety Consultant ? ;D
;D
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Wouldn't have expected anything less from certain people, stick to your massive work and I will stick to my puddly little jobs as clearly you know what your on about and doing really well.
Keep being important and spending your life on here, comical
As for the helpful comments thanks very much, really appreciate it.
Hi Archer. I'm surprised that you asked on here. You know what many of them are like.
Re football. I reckon United will be good for Europa League qualification. I know it's a bit like going for the second division championship (or Championship title these days) but sometimes sights need to be lowered a bit when rebuilding.
Hope to get you in the Cup again next season. I really enjoyed the visit to Old Trafford and hooking up with you and the lad.
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Rebuilding? They're still champions.
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You learn something new everyday.
Puddly
a. A small pool of water, especially rainwater.
I must remember to use that.
"Don't put the ladder in the puddly"
Awesome ;D
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So if you employ a H&S consultant, why don't you ask him?
Bloody Morris dancers, never happy. ::)roll
By the way, ya teams a right laugh. ;D Look how well Everton have done since your "Chosen one" left!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Wouldn't have expected anything less from certain people, stick to your massive work and I will stick to my puddly little jobs as clearly you know what your on about and doing really well.
Keep being important and spending your life on here, comical
As for the helpful comments thanks very much, really appreciate it.
The implication is that you are doing really well and everyone else is not?
Yet you're on here asking advice...?advice that can be given to you by your 'health and safety consultant'
I like the fact you came onto a public forum to tell them you had a health and safety consultant as well....who's coming on here acting important now?
I'm sure you doing really well mate, and for that well done...
But dont come on here on your high horse when your just exactly what your trying to take the p out of others for doing, its a little hypocritical...
(Hypocritical means when you say not to do something but then do it yourself)
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Thanks for your help Cozy = Don Kee,
keep up the good work
Slightly confused, are you now implying we're the same people??
Mate come one...
Bless...
Some people will say anything to try and save face
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Surely theres not two benders from Germany on here?
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Surely theres not two benders from Germany on here?
lol 'benders'
Haven't heard that term for ages!!
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Don't wind the Morris dancer up Don, or if ya do, take the tel numbers off ya web site
Old Potato head has one or two sherbets, then comes home from youth club starts calling you at 1 am. ::)roll
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No point asking simple questions on this forum, you only get "SPECIAL" people being clever.
Thank you to all the normal helpful comments from members.
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Liking the new subject title....
Pull your thong out your crack, and man up mate, its the internet theres no need to cry...
Wasn't winding him up to be fair, seems to do a good enough job himself...
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Surely theres not two benders from Germany on here?
don kee a german and a bender..........that's made my day ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Some right nutters on here, Chris posted a question on here outside of office/working hours to prove a point to his mate and to see what everyone's view was on it! Everyone loves jumping on the bandwagon...iv never met Chris but iv spoke to him a few times and hes a genuinely nice bloke.
Danny
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Thanks Danny,
much appreciated, and as you will know i am more than willing to help others and off load work, but unfortunatly i wont be resorting to the pathetic games that a couple on here especially Cozy do.
They try to make small anyone on here that tries to ask a normal question.
No matter what is said, it gets twisted out of all proportion by him.
Not only ishe mega clever, busy with work but ALSO i was spoke to by someone female, that he harrased and constantly bullied - thats the measure of the man.
Rather than type pathetic comments on here, would be better all round im sure if me and cozy could meet (obviously for a coffee)
I am not all mouth over a computor, so will keep my comments to myself,
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Surely theres not two benders from Germany on here?
don kee a german and a bender..........that's made my day ;D ;D ;D ;D
;D
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Thanks Danny,
much appreciated, and as you will know i am more than willing to help others and off load work, but unfortunatly i wont be resorting to the pathetic games that a couple on here especially Cozy do.
They try to make small anyone on here that tries to ask a normal question.
No matter what is said, it gets twisted out of all proportion by him.
Not only ishe mega clever, busy with work but ALSO i was spoke to by someone female, that he harrased and constantly bullied - thats the measure of the man.
Rather than type pathetic comments on here, would be better all round im sure if me and cozy could meet (obviously for a coffee)
I am not all mouth over a computor, so will keep my comments to myself,
Yawn, now I get the usual threats and "we should meet up" stuff. ;D ;D
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GO and BULLY a female
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Thanks Danny,
much appreciated, and as you will know i am more than willing to help others and off load work, but unfortunatly i wont be resorting to the pathetic games that a couple on here especially Cozy do.
They try to make small anyone on here that tries to ask a normal question.
No matter what is said, it gets twisted out of all proportion by him.
Not only ishe mega clever, busy with work but ALSO i was spoke to by someone female, that he harrased and constantly bullied - thats the measure of the man.
Rather than type pathetic comments on here, would be better all round im sure if me and cozy could meet (obviously for a coffee)
I am not all mouth over a computor, so will keep my comments to myself,
Mate no ones knocking you (well i wasn't meaning to) but you came on here spouting about how everyone on here is up themselves so i responded...
Is i my fault you then went off on one, with childish comments (some of which you've deleted) and subject titles?
Sure you have a great business and are a great help, fair play to you.
But if your going to go around generalising and slating everyone, at least stop acting like a kid when you do it
(Generalising means to taint everyone with the same brush)
(Taint means to mark)
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Phone calls have started early mate. ::)roll
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Do not talk complete crap.
I have not telephoned or anything you complete k--b.
YOU are THE BULLY you mega soft -------
Big and hard bullying women, THAT IS A FACT !!!
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Geez this has esculated, pi55 taking aside, calm down its the internet...
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Do not talk complete crap.
I have not telephoned or anything you complete k--b.
YOU are THE BULLY you mega soft -------
Big and hard bullying women, THAT IS A FACT !!!
No need to lose it and start swearing mate. Calm down and ring the nurse bell for your meds. ;)
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GERMAN, BULLY, bet your like Fritzl
keep your missus and kids locked up freak, and BULLY
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Oh dear
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Thanks Danny,
much appreciated, and as you will know i am more than willing to help others and off load work, but unfortunatly i wont be resorting to the pathetic games that a couple on here especially Cozy do.
They try to make small anyone on here that tries to ask a normal question.
No matter what is said, it gets twisted out of all proportion by him.
Not only ishe mega clever, busy with work but ALSO i was spoke to by someone female, that he harrased and constantly bullied - thats the measure of the man.
Rather than type pathetic comments on here, would be better all round im sure if me and cozy could meet (obviously for a coffee)
I am not all mouth over a computor, so will keep my comments to myself,
I dont post on here much at all, most of the time i just sit back and watch but i honestly cant get my head round some on here, it was a pretty simple question i thought. I dont understand why a big deal was made out of it. What are them photos about....if i was a grown man and started looking for photos on the internet of someone else to edit them and put them on a forum to p i s s someone off i would seriously have a word with myself. All just very odd imo
Danny
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CANT even get time right,
ha ha ha wot a mong
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GERMAN, BULLY, bet your like Fritzl
keep your missus and kids locked up freak, and BULLY
???
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CANT even get time right,
ha ha ha wot a mong
Don't call KLEENAWAY a mong, he's trying to help you :D
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I think it's time this post was locked before someone gets himself banned, again.