Clean It Up
UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Carpet Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Mike Halliday on April 04, 2014, 07:05:35 am
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Does anyone use a cfr machine? I mean the true recycling version where the dirty water is filtered and re-used.
If so.... On a 3 bed house, moderate soil ( not rat nasty) how often would you change the water?
I'm thinking of making a recycling system and I'm wondering how big a water tank I would need, plus does anyone know how small the filtration is
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25 microns.
I used to find that every room I needed to add 5 - 10 litres of water to deal with absorption and evaporation.
This would also keep the soil level diluted.
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But your 5-10 lt dirty water is being left in the carpet.
Yuk.
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You would be surprised.
At the end of the day you leave dirty water in the carpet anyway.
If you were to run something like Chemspec Liquid High Heat in the machine it would be encapsulated.
Its not a machine for mingers. More for the 6 monthly, annual cleans in nice houses with good quality carpets.
Remember almost 80% in what is extracted is dry soil.
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what would it be built into ?
I dont see the point , water is plentiful and no one likes cleaning filters . And as mentioned recycling is questionable from a hygiene point of view .
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But your 5-10 lt dirty water is being left in the carpet.
Yuk.
But all HWE leave dirty water in the carpet, unless you have 100% extraction then the disgusting water you empty into your buckets is exactly the same as the dirty water you have left in the carpet! I bet most portables will struggle to remove more than 80% of the water they spray down, so that's 20% disgusting smelly water left on the carpet
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what would it be built into ?
I dont see the point , water is plentiful and no one likes cleaning filters . And as mentioned recycling is questionable from a hygiene point of view .
John looking at using cfr chemicals which are designed for this system, they are slightly pricey so would use less and I could use a 30gl holding tank which would cut down on space as I would not need a big fresh or dirty tank.
Really it's more about experimenting with the whole recycling idea.
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Use DFC as its more cost effective and wont loose detergency with each cycle (because it doesnt contain any)
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I have had two of them.
They work but the single vac machine is under powered and the bigger two vac machine is too big!!
Its a real hassle cleaning the filter mid job when required.
Not for mingers as said
You must prevac always
Still uses water just not as much
The two vac machine great for commercial upholstery
Otherwise get autofill and keep your tank.
Mark
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I guess it depends on how much water it uses compared to a standard extractor if the amount is a 50% plus saving yes I'd go ahead much less I can't see the point.
Shaun
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Sounds a bit like the Prowler to me
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Why?
The prowler didn't use re cycled water.
Shaun
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Yes.Pro-station 400.
You would not change the water. Simply lift lid, inspect water level and add to it as required.
Colin.
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I found the filters got blocked very quickly, so having to remove and clean the filters was time consuming, plus having to change the water as well. I really can't see any benefit in using a recovered water system over the normal fresh water system unless water is hard to get hold of.
Why would you want to use dirty recovered water that may have picked up contaminaton from one part of the carpet and deposit it through an uncontaminated area of carpet. I know you can use an anti microbial in the tank but why add to a carpet unnecessarily. Although it's only my opinion, I don't agree with the fact that a clear water rinse would leave as much soil in the carpet as a recycled water machine. I would rather encap and bonnet absorb the majority of soiling.
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Mike
its not how big but how small 35lts for CFR
next issue is foam you need to use deformer big time as you dont have ball cut out and foam will enter vacs if you dont.
about topping up on 3 bed? none. if you use good method its just rinse out
filters are not an issue if you have replacements for each job and clean out end of day.
As regards products, microspliters work really well with cfr because of the foam issue.
Mark, the new single vac is as powerful as the twin as it has the new large vac in it.
respects
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Shaun
I went out on a job a couple of years back with a local carpet cleaner that owned a prowler! He was only cleaning a low profile carpet that had been previously been pre vacked but had to stop the engine every 15 mins or so to de clog the filter, otherwise you would loose vacume
stuart
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Perhaps we have cross purposes, the cfr recycles dirty or used water where as the prowler draws clean water from a clean water tank and dumps dirty water elsewhere never to be recycled.
Shaun
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I see there is a new CFR. Machine on the market.
http://www.amtechuk.co.uk/shop/CFR_ECO_500_Perfect_Heat_Carpet_Cleaning_Machine-pid-178.html
Gives a good explanation of the system
I quite like there 'shut out' cleaning chemical as well
http://www.amtechuk.co.uk/shop/CFR_Shut_Out_Assist_Stain_Blocker-pid-230.html
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is it worth van mounting one?
Shaun
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Looks like it only has a single vac so don't think Leaving it in the van would be feasible, promises 95% water recovery but I think that's due to the wonder wand design not the vac power
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This new cfr looks a good machine, I've had 2 pro 400 over the years and have still got one as a back up, they are a good solid unit and the recycling does work well but after going tm a few years back they do seem very under powered now, but with right tools they can still leave the carpet not over wet.
I also had the 500 but found that to be more unreliable and the filters would block up quicker.
Not sure how this new model fairs vacuum wise with the new set up, anyone here got one?
Stu
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Is it worth getting one for upholstery only and then you could configure your own for carpets?
Shaun
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I found the filters got blocked very quickly, so having to remove and clean the filters was time consuming, plus having to change the water as well. I really can't see any benefit in using a recovered water system over the normal fresh water system unless water is hard to get hold of.
Why would you want to use dirty recovered water that may have picked up contaminaton from one part of the carpet and deposit it through an uncontaminated area of carpet. I know you can use an anti microbial in the tank but why add to a carpet unnecessarily. Although it's only my opinion, I don't agree with the fact that a clear water rinse would leave as much soil in the carpet as a recycled water machine. I would rather encap and bonnet absorb the majority of soiling.
A lint hog is a worthwhile addition to a CFR machine to save time on cleaning etc.
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Mike
what do these manufactures take us for? are we back the old "snake oil" days where is the science? what are the benefits to our customers
I love products that i can sell the benefits to my customers. how many cleaners use products on customers carpets but never sell the benefits? Take two cleaner one use a product with a benefit and the other not. to the customer she getting the same clean. most of us buy quality products but are up against cleaners that use cheap rubbish.
Cleaners always going on about price but don't justify or show customers why they will get more benefits from using them. products are the stars they do all the heavy lifting in cleaning but don't get the fame.
Start selling the science of cleaning and educate prospects that cleaning is a professional service, then you start to get people to see that just because they can clean a carpet does not mean it will be as good as job as a pro.
below is one of my themed sites
http://billericay.cleaning-carpet.co.uk/