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Title: importing chinease poles
Post by: redstarwindowcleaners on March 23, 2014, 07:49:31 am
I asked a few question on here regarding the imported chinease poles prior to Xmas and recieved both good contacts and information from the post
I think people's biggest draw back in buying direct is the
 Risk and hassle involved in the money transfer etc

have since managed to do a deal wiith a supplier
I'm going to import a initial quantity of poles and sell on at a vastly  lower cost than you will be able to buy in the uk
it will be a no frills sale literally pole for cash
the supplier is also offering a parts service as well in times than  need  clamps bolts and spare sections
the bottom line is you will get a decent pole at a vastly lower cost than you can get in the uk

any thoughts before I buy a few
Whst would be the most popular lengths etc
Title: Re: importing chinease poles
Post by: Dave Willis on March 23, 2014, 07:54:27 am
yawn ...... not another one.  ::)roll


Have a read through the forum - all the links and addresses have been posted along with the prices. Everyone's going to be a Chinese pole importer now along with Aquadapter and all the others. Who's going to buy from you when they can get them cheaper?
Title: Re: importing chinease poles
Post by: redstarwindowcleaners on March 23, 2014, 08:00:48 am
It's the risk people don't want to take
prices quoted tend to be for single units bulk prices are lower

have ordered a few samples  already
Title: Re: importing chinease poles
Post by: Dave Willis on March 23, 2014, 08:07:00 am
Not when you add your profit margin and warranty they won't be.
Title: Re: importing chinease poles
Post by: redstarwindowcleaners on March 23, 2014, 08:12:38 am
There's still good margins to be made
I'm not looking at massive quantities or giving up my job thro it

i like many others are fed up paying over the odds from uk suppliers

by importing a few each month and it pays for my new poles and a few others who buy them  end up paying half of what they would in the uk
Is that a bad thing

As i said before lads would snap these poles up if they were in the uk but people can't be hassled with the importing process

up the revolution !



Title: Re: importing chinease poles
Post by: 8weekly on March 23, 2014, 08:21:10 am
There's still good margins to be made
I'm not looking at massive quantities or giving up my job thro it

i like many others are fed up paying over the odds from uk suppliers

by importing a few each month and it pays for my new poles and a few others who buy them  end up paying half of what they would in the uk
Is that a bad thing

As i said before lads would snap these poles up if they were in the uk but people can't be hassled with the importing process

up the revolution !




Don't forget to factor in VAT and duty.
Title: Re: importing chinease poles
Post by: redstarwindowcleaners on March 23, 2014, 08:29:35 am
All included
been talking to these lads since Xmas

as i said previously it's a way of getting cheaper poles to fellow windies
 
Title: Re: importing chinease poles
Post by: concept on March 23, 2014, 08:31:55 am
Anyone know what happened to thewaterfedpolecompany?
Title: Re: importing chinease poles
Post by: Soupy on March 23, 2014, 08:32:04 am
Personally I don't think poles are particularly overpriced. Maybe that's just me though.
Title: Re: importing chinease poles
Post by: G Griffin on March 23, 2014, 08:32:55 am
And don't forget the hassle you'll get when people aren't 100% satisfied with the pole. You say they are decent poles but people still moan; it's human nature.
Other pole suppliers get complaints and queries-look at the number of threads starting FAO Alex- and they have customer service staff.
So you'll be doing this as well cleaning windows?
Good luck with it and fair play for trying but.........
Title: Re: importing chinease poles
Post by: Soupy on March 23, 2014, 08:33:42 am
Anyway you should definitely go for it, but why not go all out? You could give up window cleaning within a month. Yay.
Title: Re: importing chinease poles
Post by: steve123 on March 23, 2014, 08:34:22 am
The reason poles in this country are more expensive than the ones you are buying is down to lots of factors.
For the same reason you as a wfp user could not afford to clean a property for £2.50 yet Joe Bloggs with his ladder on his bike could.
The UK suppliers have many more overheads so have to cover those before any thoughts of profit can be added.
If this idea of yours works then soon you will have to buy more stock, more of your time will be taken up, maybe you will need premises, perhaps staff. Oh look your now competing on the same playing field as the other boys and you are forced to charge what they do.
I like your thinking but I think your being a bit naive.

Plus I am not sure I want to buy from someone who cant spell the country he is buying from  ;D (just kidding)
Title: Re: importing chinease poles
Post by: Soupy on March 23, 2014, 08:36:51 am
I thought it was a brand name. Chin-ease, like Chineasy.

Simples.
Title: Re: importing chinease poles
Post by: Bill.upnw on March 23, 2014, 08:41:33 am
Haha nice try mate, why wud anyone do that when they can just email Richard and have them sent thereselves??
Title: Re: importing chinease poles
Post by: Soupy on March 23, 2014, 08:42:01 am
Hats off mate. Everyone always rubbishes these post because the poster rarely follows the idea through. ALL the suppliers at some point just had an idea to sell poles. So what if you find half way down the line you need to charge more? Facelift seem to be doing OK as do Gardiners. The more competition there is out there the better it is for all of us.

Also you could quit cleaning windows. Yay.
Title: Re: importing chinease poles
Post by: redstarwindowcleaners on March 23, 2014, 08:52:51 am
Quote from: Bill.upnw link=topic=183882.msg1569284#msg1569284 date=1395ha
Haha nice try mate, why wud anyone do that whenin chinathey can just email Richard and have them sent thereselves??

people don't follow it thro though there are lads on here who would jump at e chance a buying a cf pole  for the prices offered In china but generally people can be arsed to follow the process thro
But if someone else does the leg work and say charges them £30  for that hassle being taken out of the process and you still save a few hundred quid
I think there would be quite a few takers
Title: Re: importing chinease poles
Post by: G Griffin on March 23, 2014, 09:02:38 am
Quote from: Bill.upnw link=topic=183882.msg1569284#msg1569284 date=1395ha
Haha nice try mate, why wud anyone do that whenin chinathey can just email Richard and have them sent thereselves??

people don't follow it thro though there are lads on here who would jump at e chance a buying a cf pole  for the prices offered In china but generally people can be arsed to follow the process thro
But if someone else does the leg work and say charges them £30  for that hassle being taken out of the process and you still save a few hundred quid
I think there would be quite a few takers

I'm sure you're right.
But how would you feel if someone was involved in an accident with one of these poles?
Or there was some sort of health scare 'issue' with them?
Title: Re: importing chinease poles
Post by: Soupy on March 23, 2014, 09:04:48 am
Yea for that I think you may need some product liability insurance.. wouldn't want to be sued. Overheads are starting to mount.
Title: Re: importing chinease poles
Post by: redstarwindowcleaners on March 23, 2014, 09:15:22 am
Yea for that I think you may need some product liability insurance.. wouldn't want to be sued. Overheads are starting to mount.

that's  all a bit heavy
it's just a few poles being brought into the uk saving a few  windies a few quid
Title: Re: importing chinease poles
Post by: ben M on March 23, 2014, 09:17:17 am
waste of time IMAO
i don't want a cheap pole,i want a great pole! You can't have great quality pole if the pole is cheap.
And the customer service is very important too.
Good luck anyway.
Title: Re: importing chinease poles
Post by: Soupy on March 23, 2014, 09:20:12 am
waste of time IMAO
IMAO?

In my Anglo Saxon opinion?

In my arrogant opinion?
Title: Re: importing chinease poles
Post by: PoleKing on March 23, 2014, 09:22:23 am
Well, stick your prices up.
See how many takers there are.
Then you'll know for certain if it's worth your while.
And-just to clarify-you're selling on a 'cash for poles' 'sold as seen' basis?
Title: Re: importing chinease poles
Post by: PoleKing on March 23, 2014, 09:23:21 am
waste of time IMAO
IMAO?

In my Anglo Saxon opinion?

In my arrogant opinion?

Arrogant, Soupy.
He's a Frenchie ain't he.
They're all arrogant. (Where's tosh to ban a racism post)
Title: Re: importing chinease poles
Post by: Soupy on March 23, 2014, 09:23:33 am
Quote from: g j  newton
that's  all a bit heavy
it's just a few poles being brought into the uk saving a few  windies a few quid

Bit heavy? Probably.

Sensible?
Title: Re: importing chinease poles
Post by: concept on March 23, 2014, 09:23:50 am
Yea for that I think you may need some product liability insurance.. wouldn't want to be sued. Overheads are starting to mount.

that's  all a bit heavy
it's just a few poles being brought into the uk saving a few  windies a few quid


I would suggest you re-think that.

Unless you are offering to co-ordinate some form of "group buy".

The moment you start retailing anything, whether you view it as retailing or not, your consumers have certain protections in place.
Title: Re: importing chinease poles
Post by: Clever Forum Name on March 23, 2014, 09:24:07 am
So what happens if you snap a section?

It hurts my brain when people talk about prices of poles.

The extreme pole is what £400 plus vat. That's probably a weeks work for somebody with a terrible round.

When you use a pole everyday you want the best and lightest.

It just separates the BS merchants tbh.

A classic example is a local lad. Blagging he has 800 customers and laughed when I said customers at £9.

Ran into his ex missus. 800 houses turned into 80.

I think go for it BUT sell to local mates and local windys. For Christ sake don't sell on eBay.

What I wanna see is the weights.

So can someone list the weights please.

18-20
25
35
45
50

Ft poles please
Title: Re: importing chinease poles
Post by: redstarwindowcleaners on March 23, 2014, 09:24:36 am
waste of time IMAO
i don't want a cheap pole,i want a great pole! You can't have great quality pole if the pole is cheap.
And the customer service is very important too.
Good luck anyway.


The product rivals anything avaliable in the uk
the cost is due to the massive margins not being added by the uk suppliers

Back in my younger days I used to import stone island clothing  from a contact  straight out of the factory in italy my mark up was 100 %  and I still sold it for half shop retail
suppliers mark ups are massive
Title: Re: importing chinease poles
Post by: Soupy on March 23, 2014, 09:29:48 am
Suppliers overheads are also massive.

Ltd companies accounts are public documents. Why not look up some of your competitors? Have a look at what the ACTUAL PROFIT MARGINS are.

What you are talking about is markup. Markup and profit margins are not the same.
Title: Re: importing chinease poles
Post by: Lee GLS on March 23, 2014, 09:30:11 am
I can understand wanting to save money on pole, but the savings on a shorter everyday pole is not enough to make it worth while.

Maybe if you can save a couple of hundred on a longer 35/40 plus pole then I can why it may be worth purchasing one then.
Title: Re: importing chinease poles
Post by: redstarwindowcleaners on March 23, 2014, 09:36:51 am
Your right
generally it's the longer lengths where the savings are made but saying that shorter lengths still have  considerable savings on uk prices

I'v 3 poles ordered 2 for me and one for a friend we will road test them over the next few weeks and go from there

but what others say about the products the feeling is good
Title: Re: importing chinease poles
Post by: Soupy on March 23, 2014, 09:39:58 am
Quote from: g j  newton
Back in my younger days I used to import stone island clothing  from a contact  straight out of the factory in italy my mark up was 100 %  and I still sold it for half shop retail
suppliers mark ups are massive

Of course you were cheaper. Where were your overheads? Rent, staff, management, insurance, taxes, light, heat, advertising, theft. Just some of the things a shop needs to account for that you didn't.
Title: Re: importing chinease poles
Post by: G Griffin on March 23, 2014, 09:42:16 am
waste of time IMAO
i don't want a cheap pole,i want a great pole! You can't have great quality pole if the pole is cheap.
And the customer service is very important too.
Good luck anyway.


The product rivals anything avaliable in the uk
the cost is due to the massive margins not being added by the uk suppliers

Back in my younger days I used to import stone island clothing  from a contact  straight out of the factory in italy my mark up was 100 %  and I still sold it for half shop retail
suppliers mark ups are massive
I know a lad that did that. He used to go to Italy, too.
But times change. It's widely available online, now, and shops have latched onto it.
You're also more likely to be selling clobber to friends and acquaintances.
Poles are different. A snapped section for someone you've never met? I want my money back?
I've got a nasty splinter from that pole? My solicitor thinks I've grounds for a claim?
Title: Re: importing chinease poles
Post by: PoleKing on March 23, 2014, 09:43:21 am
Quote from: g j  newton
Back in my younger days I used to import stone island clothing  from a contact  straight out of the factory in italy my mark up was 100 %  and I still sold it for half shop retail
suppliers mark ups are massive

Of course you were cheaper. Where were your overheads? Rent, staff, management, insurance, taxes, light, heat, advertising, theft. Just some of the things a shop needs to account for that you didn't.

And...if someone rips a jumper-just get a new one.
What if a 50' pole snaps and lands through someone's skull?
Would you be questioned?
Would you be 100% positive that your pole couldn't be at fault?
I'd bet Alex @ Gardiner and Craig @ Ionic have tested their poles themselves to within an inch if their lives.

How much are yours?
Title: Re: importing chinease poles
Post by: Soupy on March 23, 2014, 09:44:55 am
And that isn't counting bogus claims. There are some proper jobby jabbers about - especially on CIU.
Title: Re: importing chinease poles
Post by: Soupy on March 23, 2014, 09:46:56 am
Not saying you shouldn't do it, what I am saying is do it right. Business plans are easy enough especially with the help that the government dishes out for free.
Title: Re: importing chinease poles
Post by: ben M on March 23, 2014, 09:49:59 am
waste of time IMAO
IMAO?

In my Anglo Saxon opinion?

In my arrogant opinion?

Arrogant, Soupy.
He's a Frenchie ain't he.
They're all arrogant. (Where's tosh to ban a racism post)
most of them are,very true  ;)
Title: Re: importing chinease poles
Post by: Window Lickers on March 23, 2014, 09:50:07 am
Quote from: g j  newton
Back in my younger days I used to import stone island clothing  from a contact  straight out of the factory in italy my mark up was 100 %  and I still sold it for half shop retail
suppliers mark ups are massive

Of course you were cheaper. Where were your overheads? Rent, staff, management, insurance, taxes, light, heat, advertising, theft. Just some of the things a shop needs to account for that you didn't.

And...if someone rips a jumper-just get a new one.
What if a 50' pole snaps and lands through someone's skull?
Would you be questioned?
Would you be 100% positive that your pole couldn't be at fault?
I'd bet Alex @ Gardiner and Craig @ Ionic have tested their poles themselves to within an inch if their lives.

How much are yours?

No, they've just made sure they've covered every angle in the process of pole production and they're covered against accident claims. However if they've covered every angle in thee production process a case made against them isnt likely in the first place.
Title: Re: importing chinease poles
Post by: PoleKing on March 23, 2014, 09:52:42 am
Quote from: g j  newton
Back in my younger days I used to import stone island clothing  from a contact  straight out of the factory in italy my mark up was 100 %  and I still sold it for half shop retail
suppliers mark ups are massive

Of course you were cheaper. Where were your overheads? Rent, staff, management, insurance, taxes, light, heat, advertising, theft. Just some of the things a shop needs to account for that you didn't.

And...if someone rips a jumper-just get a new one.
What if a 50' pole snaps and lands through someone's skull?
Would you be questioned?
Would you be 100% positive that your pole couldn't be at fault?
I'd bet Alex @ Gardiner and Craig @ Ionic have tested their poles themselves to within an inch if their lives.

How much are yours?

No, they've just made sure they've covered every angle in the process of pole production and they're covered against accident claims. However if they've covered every angle in thee production process a case made against them isnt likely in the first place.

There's always one that gets away though isn't there...
Title: Re: importing chinease poles
Post by: Soupy on March 23, 2014, 09:53:50 am
And the jobby jabbers. Don't forget the jobby jabbers.
Title: Re: importing chinease poles
Post by: redstarwindowcleaners on March 23, 2014, 09:55:27 am
Not saying you shouldn't do it, what I am saying is do it right. Business plans are easy enough especially with the help that the government dishes out for free.

All good for a someone looking into entering this as a business but is just a few poles someone wants a cheap pole the offers there
for what I intend initially getting I could probably sell 3 fold to just family and friends etc without selling to  lads I don't know
but if the market is there and people want them I'll get more
Title: Re: importing chinease poles
Post by: Soupy on March 23, 2014, 09:57:52 am
Well thanks for the offer and good luck with that. I'll stick to my overpriced supplier.
Title: Re: importing chinease poles
Post by: Window Lickers on March 23, 2014, 10:25:16 am
Are they g/f or carbon?
Title: Re: importing chinease poles
Post by: redstarwindowcleaners on March 23, 2014, 10:29:33 am
Are they g/f or carbon?

both are avaliable

carbon is where the savings are
prices go up and down slightly with the rate of the us doller exchange rate
but are much cheaper than what you pay in the uk
when importing if you do it yourself get the supplier to mark the customs form as gift / present
that way you avoid any duties
Title: Re: importing chinease poles
Post by: Perfect Windows on March 23, 2014, 10:32:16 am
I asked a few question on here regarding the imported chinease poles prior to Xmas and recieved both good contacts and information from the post
I think people's biggest draw back in buying direct is the
 Risk and hassle involved in the money transfer etc

have since managed to do a deal wiith a supplier
I'm going to import a initial quantity of poles and sell on at a vastly  lower cost than you will be able to buy in the uk
it will be a no frills sale literally pole for cash
the supplier is also offering a parts service as well in times than  need  clamps bolts and spare sections
the bottom line is you will get a decent pole at a vastly lower cost than you can get in the uk

any thoughts before I buy a few
Whst would be the most popular lengths etc

Good on you.  If it works you could end up sliding into equipment as a business; I'm sure that's how Gardiner's started.

One bit of advice - if you are buying on behalf of other people, do sort out some liability insurance as an absolute minimum.  No matter how friendly someone is, if they damage someone or something and the pole's at fault, they won't let their friendship get in the way of suing you.

Vin
Title: Re: importing chinease poles
Post by: Window Lickers on March 23, 2014, 10:40:26 am
Are they g/f or carbon?

both are avaliable

carbon is where the savings are
prices go up and down slightly with the rate of the us doller exchange rate
but are much cheaper than what you pay in the uk
when importing if you do it yourself get the supplier to mark the customs form as gift / present
that way you avoid any duties


Can you give prices please of the varying pole lengths for carbon. jhcscleaners@gmail.com

Thanks.
Title: Re: importing chinease poles
Post by: Window Lickers on March 23, 2014, 10:41:28 am
If you like we could do some field testing for you.
Title: Re: importing chinease poles
Post by: Soupy on March 23, 2014, 10:43:09 am
Get some insurance before you give him anything.

God knows he is king of the jobby jabbers.
Title: Re: importing chinease poles
Post by: G Griffin on March 23, 2014, 10:45:25 am
Good luck,  GJ, but another difference is Stone Island is an established and respected brand.
If these poles are the same, fair enough. But I get the feeling you've missed the boat, Gardiners and the like were there before you. If you'd sourced a Gardiners pole abroad at those prices you're onto a winner.
You're selling a cashmere jumper, really, not a Stone Island cashmere jumper. It matters to some. And remember, China isn't Italy.
Again,  if you'd found a viable alternative to carbon fibre then you might be onto something.
Title: Re: importing chinease poles
Post by: Bill.upnw on March 23, 2014, 10:54:03 am
Ive already posted it on an old topic,

Email the supplier from alibaba,nhe will send u data sheets and sizes weight ect, they do carbon gutter poles cheap aswell.

nacc_richard@163.com
Title: Re: importing chinease poles
Post by: Bill.upnw on March 23, 2014, 10:56:10 am
Ive held one of these poles and i do aggree with what other people are saying, i would say a gardiner super light is going to be a hell of a lot better, but its a big difference in price isnt it,
Title: Re: importing chinease poles
Post by: redstarwindowcleaners on March 23, 2014, 11:12:59 am
Good luck,  GJ, but another difference is Stone Island is an established and respected brand.
If these poles are the same, fair enough. But I get the feeling you've missed the boat, Gardiners and the like were there before you. If you'd sourced a Gardiners pole abroad at those prices you're onto a winner.
You're selling a cashmere jumper, really, not a Stone Island cashmere jumper. It matters to some. And remember, China isn't Italy.
Again,  if you'd found a viable alternative to carbon fibre then you might be onto something.

agreed but it's not my intention to enter this as a business
I don't intend taking orders just buying a few say 31s or 45's selling to people I know and any surplus offer them on websites like these
And spares needed i can source these as well if needed sections clamps etc
me and a mate just brought 3 poles between us sharing the shipping costs etc  and have saved a fortune on similar poles if purchased in the uk
Saving are there but people don't want to take the risk or be bothered with the hassle so generally go with the flow in rip of Britain
l want another couple of poles myself  soon and a few friends are after a few as well
as said previously ill order a few more  than I need sell them on and everyone's a winner

Title: Re: importing chinease poles
Post by: redstarwindowcleaners on March 23, 2014, 11:55:51 am
Good luck,  GJ, but another difference is Stone Island is an established and respected brand.
If these poles are the same, fair enough. But I get the feeling you've missed the boat, Gardiners and the like were there before you. If you'd sourced a Gardiners pole abroad at those prices you're onto a winner.
You're selling a cashmere jumper, really, not a Stone Island cashmere jumper. It matters to some. And remember, China isn't Italy.
Again,  if you'd found a viable alternative to carbon fibre then you might be onto something.
it is similar prior to stone hitting the terraces it was all made in italy by sportswear
once popularity hit and the football boys went made for it the Italian factories could not keep up with demand  and sportswear shifted production to rumania and the subsequent lower production costs
and bigger margins sportswear even limited selling the stone island brand to registered dealers in a attempt to keep it exclusive but the Italians who were registered simply purchased  more and sold it on burning out the art  numbers so the items could not be traced back
everyones at it  all major companies use the cheaper production countries around the world to manufacture their goods but in the end  the quality is still the same

Title: Re: importing chinease poles
Post by: gleamtecwindows. on March 23, 2014, 01:24:30 pm
don't forget to work out postage for n Ireland,  when up an running ,plenty of buyers over here would be interested
Title: Re: importing chinease poles
Post by: gary999 on March 23, 2014, 01:38:48 pm
Quote from: g j  newton
Back in my younger days I used to import stone island clothing  from a contact  straight out of the factory in italy my mark up was 100 %  and I still sold it for half shop retail
suppliers mark ups are massive

Of course you were cheaper. Where were your overheads? Rent, staff, management, insurance, taxes, light, heat, advertising, theft. Just some of the things a shop needs to account for that you didn't.

And...if someone rips a jumper-just get a new one.
What if a 50' pole snaps and lands through someone's skull?
Would you be questioned?
Would you be 100% positive that your pole couldn't be at fault?
I'd bet Alex @ Gardiner and Craig @ Ionic have tested their poles themselves to within an inch if their lives.

How much are yours?

Correct me if im wrong Dirty but didnt alex gardiner start out selling a diy
pole and bentley brushes,i cant imagine much testing went on with them ;D
Title: Re: importing chinease poles
Post by: Tom White on March 23, 2014, 01:49:39 pm
Arrogant, Soupy.
He's a Frenchie ain't he.
They're all arrogant. (Where's tosh to ban a racism post)

Slagging the French is not racism; it's tradition.

Crack on.
Title: Re: importing chinease poles
Post by: Alex Gardiner on March 23, 2014, 03:23:41 pm

Correct me if im wrong Dirty but didnt alex gardiner start out selling a diy
pole and bentley brushes,i cant imagine much testing went on with them ;D

We actually got into the business by introducing Microbore hose to WFP nearly 12 years ago - starting supplying this hose and fittings locally and then decided 9 years ago to take the plunge with poles.

The first poles we sold were Universal Exel poles from Finland in our colour choice (which was bright green, later to be taken up by Unger) - Minimum batch order value was £22,000 which was quite a commitment for us. At the time these were well proven and tested poles. We coupled them with Vikan brushes and our first aluminium gooseneck.

In the quest for lightness and ease of use we moved on and the rest is history  :)
Title: Re: importing chinease poles
Post by: gary999 on March 23, 2014, 03:41:40 pm

Correct me if im wrong Dirty but didnt alex gardiner start out selling a diy
pole and bentley brushes,i cant imagine much testing went on with them ;D

We actually got into the business by introducing Microbore hose to WFP nearly 12 years ago - starting supplying this hose and fittings locally and then decided 9 years ago to take the plunge with poles.

The first poles we sold were Universal Exel poles from Finland in our colour choice (which was bright green, later to be taken up by Unger) - Minimum batch order value was £22,000 which was quite a commitment for us. At the time these were well proven and tested poles. We coupled them with Vikan brushes and our first aluminium gooseneck.

In the quest for lightness and ease of use we moved on and the rest is history  :)

I stand corrected ;D

Okay was the first carbon pole you sold a diy one with bentley brushes ;D
Title: Re: importing chinease poles
Post by: Alex Gardiner on March 23, 2014, 03:50:52 pm
No. The first carbon poles we sold were the carbon and hybrid X-Tel poles with Vikan brushes.

We did then convert Maver fishing poles (following Jeff Brimble's posts on using fishing poles) into the Super-Lite 1. A few on the forum here bought the original trial versions and these were fitted with Bentley brushes as we could find no other off the shelf window cleaning brush that was light enough.
Title: Re: importing chinease poles
Post by: Clever Forum Name on March 23, 2014, 03:54:22 pm
No. The first carbon poles we sold were the carbon and hybrid X-Tel poles with Vikan brushes.

We did then convert Maver fishing poles (following Jeff Brimble's posts on using fishing poles) into the Super-Lite 1. A few on the forum here bought the original trial versions and these were fitted with Bentley brushes as we could find no other off the shelf window cleaning brush that was light enough.

Have you got a display cabinet with all the poles you have sold over the years or better still a pair of extremes mounted samurai sword style over your bed?

LMAO  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: importing chinease poles
Post by: PoleKing on March 23, 2014, 04:39:01 pm

Correct me if im wrong Dirty but didnt alex gardiner start out selling a diy
pole and bentley brushes,i cant imagine much testing went on with them ;D

We actually got into the business by introducing Microbore hose to WFP nearly 12 years ago - starting supplying this hose and fittings locally and then decided 9 years ago to take the plunge with poles.

The first poles we sold were Universal Exel poles from Finland in our colour choice (which was bright green, later to be taken up by Unger) - Minimum batch order value was £22,000 which was quite a commitment for us. At the time these were well proven and tested poles. We coupled them with Vikan brushes and our first aluminium gooseneck.

In the quest for lightness and ease of use we moved on and the rest is history  :)

I stand corrected ;D

Okay was the first carbon pole you sold a diy one with bentley brushes ;D

Yeah Gaz. Shup and get back in the kitchen.  :-*
I don't really know their histories.
I've only been on here a couple of years.
But assumed due to their turnover they'd invest in a bit more R&D to cover their asses.
Alex seems to know his poles inside out.
Knowing that it's the same carbon as La Ferrari may just be a selling ploy but it's not the sort of thing you'd find out with a quick Google bomb. Chuck £50k at it and count the pennies rolling in.
Title: Re: importing chinease poles
Post by: Spruce on March 23, 2014, 04:45:54 pm

Correct me if im wrong Dirty but didnt alex gardiner start out selling a diy
pole and bentley brushes,i cant imagine much testing went on with them ;D

We actually got into the business by introducing Microbore hose to WFP nearly 12 years ago - starting supplying this hose and fittings locally and then decided 9 years ago to take the plunge with poles.

The first poles we sold were Universal Exel poles from Finland in our colour choice (which was bright green, later to be taken up by Unger) - Minimum batch order value was £22,000 which was quite a commitment for us. At the time these were well proven and tested poles. We coupled them with Vikan brushes and our first aluminium gooseneck.

In the quest for lightness and ease of use we moved on and the rest is history  :)

I stand corrected ;D

Okay was the first carbon pole you sold a diy one with bentley brushes ;D

Yeah Gaz. Shup and get back in the kitchen.  :-*
I don't really know their histories.
I've only been on here a couple of years.
But assumed due to their turnover they'd invest in a bit more R&D to cover their asses.
Alex seems to know his poles inside out.
Knowing that it's the same carbon as La Ferrari may just be a selling ploy but it's not the sort of thing you'd find out with a quick Google bomb. Chuck £50k at it and count the pennies rolling in.

Even they aren't guaranteed that. I would say that Alex would have been a touch nervous when Facelift introduced the Phoenix into the market and they are a well know brand and could have been an erroding force on Alex's pole business.

Alex had some good specials at around that time to keep the boys loyal - or was it because of the introduction of the new smart clamp?

I doubt he would be too worried about the Aqualites though.
Title: Re: importing chinease poles
Post by: ben M on March 23, 2014, 06:55:05 pm
Arrogant, Soupy.
He's a Frenchie ain't he.
They're all arrogant. (Where's tosh to ban a racism post)

Slagging the French is not racism; it's tradition.

Crack on.
;D
Title: Re: importing chinease poles
Post by: kempy on March 23, 2014, 10:49:24 pm
I'm happy with my 45ft and 18ft China Classic poles , bought in September 2013
Title: Re: importing chinease poles
Post by: gary999 on March 23, 2014, 11:20:55 pm

Correct me if im wrong Dirty but didnt alex gardiner start out selling a diy
pole and bentley brushes,i cant imagine much testing went on with them ;D

We actually got into the business by introducing Microbore hose to WFP nearly 12 years ago - starting supplying this hose and fittings locally and then decided 9 years ago to take the plunge with poles.

The first poles we sold were Universal Exel poles from Finland in our colour choice (which was bright green, later to be taken up by Unger) - Minimum batch order value was £22,000 which was quite a commitment for us. At the time these were well proven and tested poles. We coupled them with Vikan brushes and our first aluminium gooseneck.

In the quest for lightness and ease of use we moved on and the rest is history  :)

I stand corrected ;D

Okay was the first carbon pole you sold a diy one with bentley brushes ;D

Yeah Gaz. Shup and get back in the kitchen.  :-*
I don't really know their histories.
I've only been on here a couple of years.
But assumed due to their turnover they'd invest in a bit more R&D to cover their asses.
Alex seems to know his poles inside out.
Knowing that it's the same carbon as La Ferrari may just be a selling ploy but it's not the sort of thing you'd find out with a quick Google bomb. Chuck £50k at it and count the pennies rolling in.

i would pretend to be offended by that post but i cant be bothered ;D
Title: Re: importing chinease poles
Post by: gary999 on March 23, 2014, 11:22:33 pm
No. The first carbon poles we sold were the carbon and hybrid X-Tel poles with Vikan brushes.

We did then convert Maver fishing poles (following Jeff Brimble's posts on using fishing poles) into the Super-Lite 1. A few on the forum here bought the original trial versions and these were fitted with Bentley brushes as we could find no other off the shelf window cleaning brush that was light enough.

Cheers for answering a silly question with good grace :)
Title: Re: importing chinease poles
Post by: PoleKing on March 23, 2014, 11:26:59 pm

Correct me if im wrong Dirty but didnt alex gardiner start out selling a diy
pole and bentley brushes,i cant imagine much testing went on with them ;D

We actually got into the business by introducing Microbore hose to WFP nearly 12 years ago - starting supplying this hose and fittings locally and then decided 9 years ago to take the plunge with poles.

The first poles we sold were Universal Exel poles from Finland in our colour choice (which was bright green, later to be taken up by Unger) - Minimum batch order value was £22,000 which was quite a commitment for us. At the time these were well proven and tested poles. We coupled them with Vikan brushes and our first aluminium gooseneck.

In the quest for lightness and ease of use we moved on and the rest is history  :)

I stand corrected ;D

Okay was the first carbon pole you sold a diy one with bentley brushes ;D

Yeah Gaz. Shup and get back in the kitchen.  :-*
I don't really know their histories.
I've only been on here a couple of years.
But assumed due to their turnover they'd invest in a bit more R&D to cover their asses.
Alex seems to know his poles inside out.
Knowing that it's the same carbon as La Ferrari may just be a selling ploy but it's not the sort of thing you'd find out with a quick Google bomb. Chuck £50k at it and count the pennies rolling in.

i would pretend to be offended by that post but i cant be bothered ;D

Love you big lad.
How was lunch?
Title: Re: importing chinease poles
Post by: gary999 on March 23, 2014, 11:38:47 pm

Correct me if im wrong Dirty but didnt alex gardiner start out selling a diy
pole and bentley brushes,i cant imagine much testing went on with them ;D

We actually got into the business by introducing Microbore hose to WFP nearly 12 years ago - starting supplying this hose and fittings locally and then decided 9 years ago to take the plunge with poles.

The first poles we sold were Universal Exel poles from Finland in our colour choice (which was bright green, later to be taken up by Unger) - Minimum batch order value was £22,000 which was quite a commitment for us. At the time these were well proven and tested poles. We coupled them with Vikan brushes and our first aluminium gooseneck.

In the quest for lightness and ease of use we moved on and the rest is history  :)

I stand corrected ;D

Okay was the first carbon pole you sold a diy one with bentley brushes ;D

Yeah Gaz. Shup and get back in the kitchen.  :-*
I don't really know their histories.
I've only been on here a couple of years.
But assumed due to their turnover they'd invest in a bit more R&D to cover their asses.
Alex seems to know his poles inside out.
Knowing that it's the same carbon as La Ferrari may just be a selling ploy but it's not the sort of thing you'd find out with a quick Google bomb. Chuck £50k at it and count the pennies rolling in.

i would pretend to be offended by that post but i cant be bothered ;D

Love you big lad.
How was lunch?

lunch was at 8pm...thats what happens when you spend the afternoon
doing a bit of Tosh bothering ;D

Turned out okay,my wife and her two sisters enjoyed and my youngest
lad slurped down in minutes what took me hours to prepare,bloody
young philistine ;D
Title: Re: importing chinease poles
Post by: PoleKing on March 23, 2014, 11:45:57 pm

Correct me if im wrong Dirty but didnt alex gardiner start out selling a diy
pole and bentley brushes,i cant imagine much testing went on with them ;D

We actually got into the business by introducing Microbore hose to WFP nearly 12 years ago - starting supplying this hose and fittings locally and then decided 9 years ago to take the plunge with poles.

The first poles we sold were Universal Exel poles from Finland in our colour choice (which was bright green, later to be taken up by Unger) - Minimum batch order value was £22,000 which was quite a commitment for us. At the time these were well proven and tested poles. We coupled them with Vikan brushes and our first aluminium gooseneck.

In the quest for lightness and ease of use we moved on and the rest is history  :)

I stand corrected ;D

Okay was the first carbon pole you sold a diy one with bentley brushes ;D

Yeah Gaz. Shup and get back in the kitchen.  :-*
I don't really know their histories.
I've only been on here a couple of years.
But assumed due to their turnover they'd invest in a bit more R&D to cover their asses.
Alex seems to know his poles inside out.
Knowing that it's the same carbon as La Ferrari may just be a selling ploy but it's not the sort of thing you'd find out with a quick Google bomb. Chuck £50k at it and count the pennies rolling in.

i would pretend to be offended by that post but i cant be bothered ;D

Love you big lad.
How was lunch?

lunch was at 8pm...thats what happens when you spend the afternoon
doing a bit of Tosh bothering ;D

Turned out okay,my wife and her two sisters enjoyed and my youngest
lad slurped down in minutes what took me hours to prepare,bloody
young philistine ;D

He is digging a bigger & biggerer hole for himself.
See how your lot are in the morning. If you're not in A&E by midnight-you should be fine.
Did the cooking myself today.
Half price roast lamb in Sainsbury's.
Turned out aiii