Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Rob Knapman on March 19, 2014, 04:11:31 pm
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Having problems with tds in van tank rising to 12ppm, just filled up scrubbed and rinsed with 000tds several times, water filling tank is on 000, checked tank water, risen again to 10ppm...WTF!!!! Getting by, by running tank water through Di to hose reel...
What can I clean it with?
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I shouldn't worry too much, 10ppm is perfectly ok for cleaning windows.
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I've used Milton sterilising fluid in the past with great success when I've had algae forming in the tank. I put three or four 1ltr bottles in the tank (400ltr), filled it up to the top & left it overnight. Then drained & flushed out with hosepipe the next day.
Might be worth a shot, you can buy it from supermarkets, down the baby isle as it's used for sterilizing bottles etc.
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I use the milton tablets when i had tds rising half fill tank or less and drop a 3-4 in the go for a drive around up and down banks etc to give a good slosh around .
I then totally drained the tank of every drop of water then just filled with pure i have problems with the odd bit of crap getting in my static tank which then gets transfered into truck tank going to install an outlet for transfer pump on side of tank then put in carbon filter pad . Mike
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Milton it is then!!!!! ;)
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I shouldn't worry too much, 10ppm is perfectly ok for cleaning windows.
same as
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I jetwash mine out then leave over the weekend, totally drain and fill with pure and works a treat!
My water very rarely rises above 005 and if it does i change the resin.
I dont know how people can get away with 010+ mine
Spots if its that ???
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I jetwash mine out then leave over the weekend, totally drain and fill with pure and works a treat!
My water very rarely rises above 005 and if it does i change the resin.
I dont know how people can get away with 010+ mine
Spots if its that ???
Yip.
Anything over 005 I've noticed spotting in bright sunlight. I'm pretty much PPB now instead of ppm and I'm noticing a difference.
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Tbh 2litres of resin lasts me about 4-6 months, so its not even worth scrimping! Might aswell clean with the best possible water.
And tbh when the water is 000 it feels easier rinsing them?
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I jetwash mine out then leave over the weekend, totally drain and fill with pure and works a treat!
My water very rarely rises above 005 and if it does i change the resin.
I dont know how people can get away with 010+ mine
Spots if its that ???
Yip.
Anything over 005 I've noticed spotting in bright sunlight. I'm pretty much PPB now instead of ppm and I'm noticing a difference.
really i am surprised :o
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Honestly! Me and my uncle both have sperate WFP business's and we both work to 005 otherwise windows spot!
Even at 005 i can almost see by the way the water is on the window that the resin is due a change! So doesn't rinse quite as easy
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Honestly! Me and my uncle both have sperate WFP business's and we both work to 005 otherwise windows spot!
Even at 005 i can almost see by the way the water is on the window that the resin is due a change! So doesn't rinse quite as easy
Never heard such nonsense! ;D I guarantee you that your spots at 5ppm are NOT from the water, if your eye does see any, it's contamination from elsewhere.
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Honestly! Me and my uncle both have sperate WFP business's and we both work to 005 otherwise windows spot!
Even at 005 i can almost see by the way the water is on the window that the resin is due a change! So doesn't rinse quite as easy
not knocking you h20 , i have worked with water of over 30 by accident by the way , on busy high streets with no complaints , and i know of other guys who have worked with much higher :o but i am happier with 000 tds, but i dont worry about it now ;)
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Honestly! Me and my uncle both have sperate WFP business's and we both work to 005 otherwise windows spot!
Even at 005 i can almost see by the way the water is on the window that the resin is due a change! So doesn't rinse quite as easy
I'm with you on that one mate.
I've tested it out, different windows on the same property, different TDS of water in backpacks. I can notice the difference very easily. Esoecially in low sunlight.
The purer your water, the better and quicker results you get.
Certain windows that are WFP friendly and hydrophilic you probably can get away with higher TDS, but on hydrophobic and tricky windows, the purer the better.
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I didnt say that you couldnt get away with it, i just know that if i clean windows with above 005 it spots.
Not saying customers will complain lol just i know fine well it spots me and my uncle have both tried it, i have even gone back to re clean the odd one in the summer when the sun dries them really quick and i could see light spots.
But each to their own:)
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hey if it works 8)
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Honestly! Me and my uncle both have sperate WFP business's and we both work to 005 otherwise windows spot!
Even at 005 i can almost see by the way the water is on the window that the resin is due a change! So doesn't rinse quite as easy
I'm with you on that one mate.
I've tested it out, different windows on the same property, different TDS of water in backpacks. I can notice the difference very easily. Esoecially in low sunlight.
The purer your water, the better and quicker results you get.
Certain windows that are WFP friendly and hydrophilic you probably can get away with higher TDS, but on hydrophobic and tricky windows, the purer the better.
Why would a tricky window present a difference in finish between TDS levels? This proves the theory wrong as what you're saying means it's the window & not the water.
000 & 005 have zero difference in cleaning ability. Are you saying that your eye can distinguish 5 parts in one million? ;D
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Hi winpro.
I'm just sharing my experiences.
A window that is hydrophilic rinses very well and is left almost dry after the rinse, wheras hydrophobic beads up and more water is left on the glass. This is where real pure (000 and less) comes into its own.
5 parts per million seems like very little, but condense that down, to every square inch of the glass, 5 parts of dirt in that square, and the next and the next. Over time it can build up on glass almost leaving a mineral deposit type of effect.
Again, you may well not get complaints, but that doesn't mean the job is perfect.
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I didnt mention a tricky window... It has been tried on several.
I'm not saying how it happens, or why but i wouldnt lie when i tell you i have tried and not been happy on a few occasions that the water has dried how it should? I can add it has nearly always been in the summer months on warm days mayby there is an explanation for that?
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Hi winpro.
I'm just sharing my experiences.
A window that is hydrophilic rinses very well and is left almost dry after the rinse, wheras hydrophobic beads up and more water is left on the glass. This is where real pure (000 and less) comes into its own.
5 parts per million seems like very little, but condense that down, to every square inch of the glass, 5 parts of dirt in that square, and the next and the next. Over time it can build up on glass almost leaving a mineral deposit type of effect.
Again, you may well not get complaints, but that doesn't mean the job is perfect.
The beads of pure water on hydrophilic glass will absorb atmospheric particles. In winter, these beads can last all day & so are vulnerable to anything that they can absorb. I agree that the beads are concentrated areas but don't agree that 005ppm water alone would leave any visible mark, if the bead of 005ppm water was in a sterile environment you wouldn't see any marks left behind.
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Hi winpro.
I'm just sharing my experiences.
A window that is hydrophilic rinses very well and is left almost dry after the rinse, wheras hydrophobic beads up and more water is left on the glass. This is where real pure (000 and less) comes into its own.
5 parts per million seems like very little, but condense that down, to every square inch of the glass, 5 parts of dirt in that square, and the next and the next. Over time it can build up on glass almost leaving a mineral deposit type of effect.
Again, you may well not get complaints, but that doesn't mean the job is perfect.
The beads of pure water on hydrophilic glass will absorb atmospheric particles. In winter, these beads can last all day & so are vulnerable to anything that they can absorb. I agree that the beads are concentrated areas but don't agree that 005ppm water alone would leave any visible mark, if the bead of 005ppm water was in a sterile environment you wouldn't see any marks left behind.
I see your point, but I tested it with hot water too, glass dries quicker even in winter, and could check the results.
Just like 020 gives better cleaning results than 099, 000 gives better than 020 and so on.
You can keep on going down the scale.
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Well its a mystery then ;D
But like i say, its been done.
All my water comes out my holding tank at 000and out my pole at 001 when the resin has just been changed.
i dont even understand purified water and all the parts per million ect ???
I just know i was taught that at 005 its time for a resin change.
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Forgot to order resin and it took 3 days to arrive so been cleaning at 22ppm and windows have been spotless when i double checked .
Sick of messing on with resin it is aright pain so going back to RO later this year simple and hassle free . Mike
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We also work in Teesside and can assure you guys that I will not let the tds go above 2.
I have always put it down to the salt sea winds off the sea in Saltburn and Skelton, but Redcar also experiences polution from industry that does mean that we have to spend more time scrubbing and rinsing to ensure a good clean. We only do a handful of houses in Redcar and they are all the same.
I'm sure some can clean to a high standard with a higher tds water, and have long held the belief that its what the dissolved solids are in the water that determines what you can and cannot get away with. Location also has a lot to do with it as well as the time of the year.
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clean your own windows, wait till dark then shine a torch from the outside in (you stay inside and stick your arm out) you wouldn't believe the mess left on the glass!
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clean your own windows, wait till dark then shine a torch from the outside in (you stay inside and stick your arm out) you wouldn't believe the mess left on the glass!
I did this the other day. I've got a street light right outside the house so I get the same effect, mine were spotless though. But I only use 000 and below, and am very thorough.
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We also work in Teesside and can assure you guys that I will not let the tds go above 2.
I have always put it down to the salt sea winds off the sea in Saltburn and Skelton, but Redcar also experiences polution from industry that does mean that we have to spend more time scrubbing and rinsing to ensure a good clean. We only do a handful of houses in Redcar and they are all the same.
I'm sure some can clean to a high standard with a higher tds water, and have long held the belief that its what the dissolved solids are in the water that determines what you can and cannot get away with. Location also has a lot to do with it as well as the time of the year.
Get out my patch
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House hold bleach will do the same job. If Miltons is in a tablet or a powder form I would not use it as it has a copper stabilizer which will spot on glass. Therefor the same as swimming pool chlorine. But if its a liquid then its fine but just the same household bleach which does not have a stabilizer which works as a slow release. They call this a chlorine shock as must be quick release. Its a good idea to do this in all water storage tanks and van tanks to kill bacteria a few time a year more so in sunny times.
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Right, back on track chaps, 10ppm is far too high for my liking, there is obviously a problem as tds is rising, so tank is having some milton liquid over night, will see how it goes 8)....
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We also work in Teesside and can assure you guys that I will not let the tds go above 2.
I have always put it down to the salt sea winds off the sea in Saltburn and Skelton, but Redcar also experiences polution from industry that does mean that we have to spend more time scrubbing and rinsing to ensure a good clean. We only do a handful of houses in Redcar and they are all the same.
I'm sure some can clean to a high standard with a higher tds water, and have long held the belief that its what the dissolved solids are in the water that determines what you can and cannot get away with. Location also has a lot to do with it as well as the time of the year.
Get out my patch
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We've been here longer than you have! You stop leafleting in our patch or else. ;D
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We also work in Teesside and can assure you guys that I will not let the tds go above 2.
I have always put it down to the salt sea winds off the sea in Saltburn and Skelton, but Redcar also experiences polution from industry that does mean that we have to spend more time scrubbing and rinsing to ensure a good clean. We only do a handful of houses in Redcar and they are all the same.
I'm sure some can clean to a high standard with a higher tds water, and have long held the belief that its what the dissolved solids are in the water that determines what you can and cannot get away with. Location also has a lot to do with it as well as the time of the year.
Get out my patch
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We've been here longer than you have! You stop leafleting in our patch or else. ;D
I keep picking up your old customers after you were seen sniffing bike seats👀
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Ron let us know how u get on with Milton somehow I have spilt a trigger of truck cleaner on top of tank and its got in tank I have had a frothy day it defo needs sorting
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Sorry rob
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Spruce what you have just said is so accurate..TDS has different chemical components, oxides in solution and suspensions.