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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: South Window Cleaning Ltd on March 09, 2014, 08:11:44 pm
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Have always used SLX47 find them heavy and very bendy,
so looking at:
Super Max 2, 50ft
could I please have some advice on the difference between slx 47/ super max 50 ie: Rigidness etc
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Not used the supermax but my 30' slx in use feels the same weight as my 47' extreme.
It's epically good the extreme.
No bend. No whip. Feels floaty light.
I like the slx Upto 30' but wouldn't fancy it above that.
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The "new" Smax, the Smax-II is high modulus carbon so I would imagine it's quite a different pole to the original (which was basically a longer SLX).
I've no experience with this newer Smax but the Xtreme poles are FANTASTIC!!
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I have the extreme pole, best pole in the world !!
Gazza
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I've got Extreme 25 and I love it,
it is way better than the slx 25,
but was not happy with slx 47.
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I've got Extreme 25 and I love it,
it is way better than the slx 25,
but was not happy with slx 47.
Once you get to 35ft things start to drastically change with every added foot of length. In theory, adding 10 foot to an excellent 25ft pole like the SLX would seem very do-able, you would "think" it wouldn't make that much difference but in reality the difference it makes is huge! The materials, structure & engineering have to change substantially to combat the different forces being applied to a pole as it gets to 35/40ft & beyond.
After 10 years of WFP now, I don't hesitate to spend money where it really counts, like poles & brushes. It makes such a difference.
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extreme 47 mate.just buy one and it will last you years and years if you look after it.
i had a supermax 40 and sold it on as it was very bendy for solar panels and velux windows.
the extreme 47 is lighter than the supermax 40 and way more rigid at angles.superb pole.highly recommended.
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Guess the question I should of asked is:
How much better is the new super max 50 compared to slx 47 ?
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Hmmm, how come the SLX isn't high modular yet? Or have I missed something?
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Hmmm, how come the SLX isn't high modular yet? Or have I missed something?
Probably 'cos it doesn't need to be I suppose & it keeps an excellent pole right in there with the competition-price wise.
There are still probably more buyers not prepared to spend big money on poles than are, gives a good range of choice.
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:)
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I just wondered why a HM version hadn't been produced seeing the Smax used to be almost identical. I suppose the shorter sizes don't warrant it.
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I just wondered why a HM version hadn't been produced seeing the Smax used to be almost identical. I suppose the shorter sizes don't warrant it.
:)
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Hmmm, how come the SLX isn't high modular yet? Or have I missed something?
There is a good reason why the SLX range does not feature the high-modulus carbon as used in the Super-Max range or the even higher modulus carbon as used in the Xtreme and Super-Lite poles - Price
It is important to us to provide high level cleaning solutions that suit everyone's budget.
SLX - Domestic use pole of compact closed dimensions - goes up to 47ft for those that want the cheapest and most compact pole to reach this high for occasional use. SLX47 = £553
Super-Max - Commercial use pole, made with High-Modulus Carbon. Longer closed length, but smaller handle size suitable for more repetitive use on high level work. SAMX50 = £665
Xtreme - The ultimate in light weight/rigidity for both domestic and commercial use suitable for all types of work, but does need more careful maintenance and care regime. XT47 = £899
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Hmmm, how come the SLX isn't high modular yet? Or have I missed something?
There is a good reason why the SLX range does not feature the high-modulus carbon as used in the Super-Max range or the even higher modulus carbon as used in the Xtreme and Super-Lite poles - Price
It is important to us to provide high level cleaning solutions that suit everyone's budget.
SLX - Domestic use pole of compact closed dimensions - goes up to 47ft for those that want the cheapest and most compact pole to reach this high for occasional use. SLX47 = £553
Super-Max - Commercial use pole, made with High-Modulus Carbon. Longer closed length, but smaller handle size suitable for more repetitive use on high level work. SAMX50 = £665
Xtreme - The ultimate in light weight/rigidity for both domestic and commercial use suitable for all types of work, but does need more careful maintenance and care regime. XT47 = £899
Thank you Alex
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Sorry to bring in another to this debate over poles but does anyone use an xline or reachIT pole of similar sizes?
I have used Gardiner poles for several years and I do get the same little issues but that's nothing other than clamps and a simple fix.
I use the superlite 2 which is too soft at big height and it don't do wind!
I love it's lack of weight though, my unger "hulk" is a right old heavyweight at 75% the height it's twice the weight.
the guy at xline reckons he has the best pole on the market and I have no idea.
I've have handled a few nice 3 story gardiner poles and touching 4 story slx mk1's but not tried anything else.
I am looking for a pole 40ft which must be able to take a good use.
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Sorry to bring in another to this debate over poles but does anyone use an xline or reachIT pole of similar sizes?
I have used Gardiner poles for several years and I do get the same little issues but that's nothing other than clamps and a simple fix.
I use the superlite 2 which is too soft at big height and it don't do wind!
I love it's lack of weight though, my unger "hulk" is a right old heavyweight at 75% the height it's twice the weight.
the guy at xline reckons he has the best pole on the market and I have no idea.
I've have handled a few nice 3 story gardiner poles and touching 4 story slx mk1's but not tried anything else.
I am looking for a pole 40ft which must be able to take a good use.
Reach it Poles are too heavy like for like compared to gardiners
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What about the xline poles
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Reach it Poles are too heavy like for like compared to gardiners
I tried my CLX and my SMAX along side a reach it pole. I found they where similar to be honest. I couldn't give a scientific factual evaluation as we never weighed them etc.. but to be fair i was sporting extreme brushes on the end of my Gardiner poles and the reach its had some sort of heavy type brush on (i can't remember exactly). I prefered the Gardiner poles i had, and the guy who's demo it was was sufficiently minded to go on and buy an extreme Gardiners pole!!
He posts on here so he may or may not come on and say what made his mind up either way.
I'm not a fan of adding extra sections on to go higher, i believe in having an everyday pole and a high pole. I say this because your everyday pole wears out quick. Well when i say quick, thats all relative. I'm working with a CLX27/CLX22 that are over 3 years old.(maybe older). My SMAX50 is like new as it doesn't come out so often.
♠Winp®oClean♠ says along the lines of spend money where it counts, and its hard to argue. But you have to be carefull here, as the Reach It is far more expensive than equivalent SLX/SMAX. Sometimes spending money aint all what its cracked up to be.
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i agree that its better to have a main day to day pole(25 ft is perfect for me) and a separate high pole for solar panels,velux and higher window cleaning work.
the problem is if you scrimp on a higher pole the weight and rigidity become a serious important factor over 25 ft.especially at angles.
the SUPERMAX 40 is heavier and the bend on it at full stretch at angles means i was catching the pole on gutters and overly straining myself.mine was the old supermax so the new HM might be less bendy.
the extreme 47 on the same work is so much lighter and less bendy so i can clean this work with ease with hardly any strain.
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Reach-it mini 25 1950grams
Slx 25 1340 grams
I think the Reach-it is more expensive.
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i agree that its better to have a main day to day pole(25 ft is perfect for me) and a separate high pole for solar panels,velux and higher window cleaning work.
the problem is if you scrimp on a higher pole the weight and rigidity become a serious important factor over 25 ft.especially at angles.
the SUPERMAX 40 is heavier and the bend on it at full stretch at angles means i was catching the pole on gutters and overly straining myself.mine was the old supermax so the new HM might be less bendy.
the extreme 47 on the same work is so much lighter and less bendy so i can clean this work with ease with hardly any strain.
were with you on this slx 25 for everyday due to hubby being a heavy handed git , and ex47 for anything higher sold all the rest just takeing up room in the van
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:)
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looks like it's all Gardiner here then!
Bit like my van poles then.
I have gone through quite a few 1's and 2's on my clx's through heavy use only.
Like the 27 bar for it's a tiny bit bendy at full out. Ok for straight ups but not for the long overs.
taking wear into consideration which of the gardiner poles for 4th floor work would you recommend?
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Smax is ok but prefer extreme. Not tired using etreme all day on 4st work but feeling tired if using smax all day and you really notice the difference in rigidity 3st upwards, doesn't make much difference on normal houses
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looks like it's all Gardiner here then!
Bit like my van poles then.
I have gone through quite a few 1's and 2's on my clx's through heavy use only.
Like the 27 bar for it's a tiny bit bendy at full out. Ok for straight ups but not for the long overs.
taking wear into consideration which of the gardiner poles for 4th floor work would you recommend?
Xtreme, either the 47' or a smaller one with extensions for more usability.
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get what you pay for. Simple really.
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get what you pay for. Simple really.
You don't. It's not simple. Gardiners are one of the cheapest, and also probably the best (i'm well aware you have all their gear) . That blows you theory out the water. Hang on, unless you mean you get what you pay for with Gardiners? !!! ;D
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That's exactly what I meant ;)
Buy the Extreme and get the best pole Gardiners make - buy the Supermax and get the second best pole they supply at that length.
Unless of course you have a S2 modular.
However the original post was comparing the Supermax 11 to the SlX which is something most of us have failed to spot. Previously the SLX range finished then the Supermax took over at the longer lengths. Now they offer both poles at similar lengths. I suppose the Smax would be the better pole than the SLX.http://www.gardinerpolesystems.co.uk/acatalog/clx-slx-super-max-telescopic-poles.html
Where's Alex?
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That's exactly what I meant ;)
Buy the Extreme and get the best pole Gardiners make - buy the Supermax and get the second best pole they supply at that length.
Unless of course you have a S2 modular.
However the original post was comparing the Supermax 11 to the SlX which is something most of us have failed to spot. Previously the SLX range finished then the Supermax took over at the longer lengths. Now they offer both poles at similar lengths. I suppose the Smax would be the better pole than the SLX.http://www.gardinerpolesystems.co.uk/acatalog/clx-slx-super-max-telescopic-poles.html
Where's Alex?
Super-Max 45 is better to use than the SLX47 as long as you do not mind it being 8" longer when closed. It has a smaller handle diameter (by two sections sizes) and is more rigid.
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Is the SMax better than the extreme? Or does it sit between SLX & Extreme?
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Is the SMax better than the extreme? Or does it sit between SLX & Extreme?
The Xtreme is top dog, the Smax- now being HM carbon is better than the SLX at height. If you're looking at 40ft+ then you really need to be looking at the Xtreme IMO. You will forget about the extra initial cost the very first minute you use it! ;D
You can hoist an Xtreme up from the ground at 40ft complete with wet brush & pole hose, and bring it down the same way! Not actually tried it at the full 47ft yet but I reckon you would be able to. Mind you, I am a mountain of muscle! ;D
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Is the SMax better than the extreme? Or does it sit between SLX & Extreme?
The Xtreme is top dog, the Smax- now being HM carbon is better than the SLX at height. If you're looking at 40ft+ then you really need to be looking at the Xtreme IMO. You will forget about the extra initial cost the very first minute you use it! ;D
You can hoist an Xtreme up from the ground at 40ft complete with wet brush & pole hose, and bring it down the same way! Not actually tried it at the full 47ft yet but I reckon you would be able to. Mind you, I am a mountain of muscle! ;D
Ta.
I've got an Extreme 47' And 6 HS extensions. Bought 10 hoping to do a 100' job I've got but it is too floppy to add the extra 4 sections.
Just that Alex said the SMAX was a 'commercial' pole, got me wondering if it would take extensions to hit the 100'.
Thanks for clearing it up though.
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Yikes 100 feet :o rather you than me.
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Yikes 100 feet :o rather you than me.
Don't think I'd even consider above 60ft!! :)
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Is the SMax better than the extreme? Or does it sit between SLX & Extreme?
The Xtreme is top dog, the Smax- now being HM carbon is better than the SLX at height. If you're looking at 40ft+ then you really need to be looking at the Xtreme IMO. You will forget about the extra initial cost the very first minute you use it! ;D
You can hoist an Xtreme up from the ground at 40ft complete with wet brush & pole hose, and bring it down the same way! Not actually tried it at the full 47ft yet but I reckon you would be able to. Mind you, I am a mountain of muscle! ;D
Ta.
I've got an Extreme 47' And 6 HS extensions. Bought 10 hoping to do a 100' job I've got but it is too floppy to add the extra 4 sections.
Just that Alex said the SMAX was a 'commercial' pole, got me wondering if it would take extensions to hit the 100'.
Thanks for clearing it up though.
Technically you could add HS extensions to the SMAX50 to take it to 100ft. However we would not recommend it above about 65ft.
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Is the SMax better than the extreme? Or does it sit between SLX & Extreme?
The Xtreme is top dog, the Smax- now being HM carbon is better than the SLX at height. If you're looking at 40ft+ then you really need to be looking at the Xtreme IMO. You will forget about the extra initial cost the very first minute you use it! ;D
You can hoist an Xtreme up from the ground at 40ft complete with wet brush & pole hose, and bring it down the same way! Not actually tried it at the full 47ft yet but I reckon you would be able to. Mind you, I am a mountain of muscle! ;D
Ta.
I've got an Extreme 47' And 6 HS extensions. Bought 10 hoping to do a 100' job I've got but it is too floppy to add the extra 4 sections.
Just that Alex said the SMAX was a 'commercial' pole, got me wondering if it would take extensions to hit the 100'.
Thanks for clearing it up though.
Technically you could add HS extensions to the SMAX50 to take it to 100ft. However we would not recommend it above about 65ft.
You don't recommend the extreme over 80' so that's clearly the stronger pole...
As technology moves on, in time, the 100' will be available I'm sure. (Expensive though due to lack of demand I'd imagine)
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Yikes 100 feet :o rather you than me.
It's not as bad as you may think.
Work at 80' all day long.
A few months ago I was asking if anyone could lend me a HS extension.
Someone did (thank you very much, you know who you are) and that was the experiment to see if I could reach the 100'.
I had enough extensions but it felt too floppy to use higher than 80'. Just as Alex said. (I know...I know) it was just that I needed to see it for myself.
Shame really cause it really is a plum job. Only 17 windows that I can't reach from the ground. Have to harness up and hang out of the window and clean outside from inside.
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With the Smax
can you only extend it full or half length per section (clamp) like the extreme,
or can you extend (Clamp) it to any point on the pole like the slx ?
if you get what I mean ?
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With the Smax
can you only extend it full or half length per section like the extreme,
or can you extend it to any point on the pole like the slx ?
if you get what I mean ?
You can clamp anywhere like the SLX.
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Bought the smax 50 today with the extra 10th section. Hopefully I want be disappointed with the pole. I was slightly disappointed to find you had to buy 5 poles to qualify for a discount!! ??? ???
Didn't even get a free hat haha
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Going back to the 100ft mmm. I wonder how effective it would be.
Loss of visual check at 6 floor and above unless you fit binoculars.
The problem at these heights are if you lose control and it goes past the angle your able to correct.
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Going back to the 100ft mmm. I wonder how effective it would be.
Loss of visual check at 6 floor and above unless you fit binoculars.
The problem at these heights are if you lose control and it goes past the angle your able to correct.
I think 60ft is about the most you can do from the ground to guarantee a good finish ?
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Trying to organise working days at 60ft plus with the wind and gusts depending on location on the coast is a challenge in itself some weeks. Quite happily go up to 5st on a regular basis. 3st wins not a problem in wind and gusts.
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Posted before but we used to do a job at 80' where we did a stairwell outside one day, inside the following day.
After the first clean, they were absolutely spotless every time.
Cleaned 3 times a year.
You can't really guarantee a perfect finish every time with WFP at any height.
You only need one gust of dirty wind and the crap will stick to the water droplets.
But yeah, the planning is the hardest bit.
The job at 100' was a 4 day job that started end of January and wasn't finished until nearly a month later!
At 80' (IMO) you need single figure wind speed with no gusts.
In England, that ain't always easy.