Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Phil J on March 08, 2014, 09:01:37 pm
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Hey Guys,
What chemical, if any do you recommend for removing algae, moss, bird mess and general dirt from conny roofs or would you just use pure water.
Thanks, Phil...........
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virosol
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Who is Conny Roof? she sounds nice!
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Who is Conny Roof? she sounds nice!
Stop it! Leave the noob alone
And she's my auntie 😄😄😄😄😄😄
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G101, virosol, TFR, ubik, truck wash
All pretty much the same, make sure it's non caustic and not cheap crapola off the bay
Darran
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Not on glass roofs.
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Correct if "self cleaning"
Darran
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Cheers Trippy.
Now, now David I love Conny ::)roll
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just tap water, no need for anything.
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just tap water, no need for anything.
True, but I find using virosol speeds up the process and makes cleaning easier. Also leaves a nice shine too, and smells good.
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What's best guys for the + mouldings on top of roof ? I spend most of my time on these annoying stuff >:(
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get a pump up sprayer and spray with virosol or similar and let it soak in for a few mins then brush/rinse .
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Use Biological washing powder. Its cheap, safe and does the best job.
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get a pump up sprayer and spray with virosol or similar and let it soak in for a few mins then brush/rinse .
As easy as that ??? (I have been getting an old brush head,put loads of liquid on it then brush away ...)
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Yep as easy as that... 8)
Darran
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small waffle cloth
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small waffle cloth
Lol. To be fair, Tadgh does normally give a method as well. Mind you, that never varies. ;D
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Hi Guys, yes i would like to recommend a method for cleaning conny roofs, i have been in the industry for many years and would of used all the products that have been mentioned on this post, that is of course in the past as i would of found most of them to be caustic and corrosive and as being a green company can no longer use them, and Dave is right i would not use little waffle cloths for this work. we do have a safe product for this application which is non-caustic and non-corrosive and will not cause any damage to surfaces, but in fairness there are many janitorial suppliers in the UK who can supply safe cleaning detergents that are non-caustic, non-corrosive, which you can dip your brush into and clean the conny roofs without having to use harsh cleaning chemicals like TFRs and truck wash detergent i wont mention any other names, but just check out the msds on the products that have been mentioned on this post and you will see that they are all high alkaline based chemicals which are detrimental to conny roofs, its only a suggestion as i said there are many suppliers in the UK who can supply safe and effective solutions for these tasks.
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Hi Guys, yes i would like to recommend a method for cleaning conny roofs, i have been in the industry for many years and would of used all the products that have been mentioned on this post, that is of course in the past as i would of found most of them to be caustic and corrosive and as being a green company can no longer use them, and Dave is right i would not use little waffle cloths for this work. we do have a safe product for this application which is non-caustic and non-corrosive and will not cause any damage to surfaces, but in fairness there are many janitorial suppliers in the UK who can supply safe cleaning detergents that are non-caustic, non-corrosive, which you can dip your brush into and clean the conny roofs without having to use harsh cleaning chemicals like TFRs and truck wash detergent i wont mention any other names, but just check out the msds on the products that have been mentioned on this post and you will see that they are all high alkaline based chemicals which are detrimental to conny roofs, its only a suggestion as i said there are many suppliers in the UK who can supply safe and effective solutions for these tasks.
Out of curiosity what makes things like TFr or virosol detrimental on conny roofs? I have used virosol for many years and the conservatory roofs I have cleaned still look like new, with no damage what so ever.
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Hi Jonny, Like I said its only a suggestion to use safer products than high alkaline based chemicals, I used them for years and saw first hand the damage they cause, I am not getting into an argument on the damage that high alkaline based chemicals cause to surfaces, I have done so many times on this forum if you want to read some of my older posts. I have also said before that its up to everyone to use whichever product they choose.
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Hi Jonny, Like I said its only a suggestion to use safer products than high alkaline based chemicals, I used them for years and saw first hand the damage they cause, I am not getting into an argument on the damage that high alkaline based chemicals cause to surfaces, I have done so many times on this forum if you want to read some of my older posts. I have also said before that its up to everyone to use whichever product they choose.
It's a genuine question tadgh, don't want to damage any of my customers property. Any links to previous threads or pics of damage?
I've never heard of it damaging conservatories before. ???
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Hi Jonny, send me your email and i will send you on info and pics of damage caused by high alkaline based chemicals.
Regards
Tadgh
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so what products are Low alkaline and safe then?
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Hi Jonny, send me your email and i will send you on info and pics of damage caused by high alkaline based chemicals.
Regards
Tadgh
Email sent to the one in your profile. :)
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virosol for me.its never caused any damage to any conny roofs or fascias ive ever cleaned.
CITRUS BASED degreasers like virosol are ok.
i wouldnt use certain types of TFR though as they can be corrosive if they are caustic.tadgh O shea is right on that one.
regards
dazmond
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Hi Jonny, send me your email and i will send you on info and pics of damage caused by high alkaline based chemicals.
Regards
Tadgh
Feel free to post the pics of damaged conservatories here Tadgh. It would be a good idea to name the product used too.
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where does g101 feature in this
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Tadgh do you like the chemical brothers.?
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Yes i think the chemical brothers are great, i am happy to share my experience of using high alkaline based cleaning chemicals as i cant comment on specific brand names of chemicals on an open forum or post pictures and name and shame. Anyway i joined the cleaning industry in 1982 and was introduced to a range of different cleaning chemicals not having a clue about acidic or alkaline based chemicals, just took it on faith that they would do the job and yes they did do the job of removing soils from surfaces, but it took me many years to cop that these harsh chemicals did the job at a cost as i was always wondering why surfaces were becoming damaged, again without being boring i eventually found out that it was from using high alkaline based cleaning chemicals on a continuous basis. Now guys i dont have a background in chemistry but it was on a trip to the USA in search of safer cleaning solutions i met a chemist who explained to me the detrimental damage that harsh chemicals cause to surfaces, he recommended to use products that were Gras rated (generally regarded as safe) these products would have a pH value of between 5.5pH to 9.5pH he also shared much more interesting information on how dirty the cleaning industry really is (again i cant go into this on an open forum) this chemist had worked for many years with some of the biggest companies in the world producing cleaning chemicals but had made the change to work with a company that was producing one of this centuries most promising advances in cleaning science, anyway he went onto explain that chemicals with a pH value of 7 are neutral products that are under 7 on the pH scale are acidic and products with a pH value of over 7 are alkaline ( yes i know most of you will already know this) but he went onto explain that the ph scale is logarithmic meaning that an increase or decrease of an interger value changes the concentration by a tenfold, for example a cleaning chemical with a pH value of 11 is ten times more alkaline than a cleaning chemical with a pH value of 10
Again guys i am only sharing my experience here and for this reason the products that we generally use now have a pH value of 8.7 as i say there are many janitorial suppliers in the UK who promote safe to use products that are equally as effective as some of the products that have been mentioned on this post but they will not cause detrimental damage from continuous use. Again guys from my experience over the years its from the continuous use of harsh cleaning chemicals on surfaces that causes the detrimental damage, if you are doing o one off job on a conny roof you will not notice the damage. if you are checking out new cleaning chemicals look at the msds as they have to contain all the relevant information you require to make an informed decision on wether they are considered safe or not. Just to share as i dont have a background in chemistry if i am checking out new cleaning chemicals that are supposed to be safe i will dilute them at the recommended ratio then spray the chemical up into the air and let it fall back into my eyes and face, if i find it irritating well i know its not a Gras (generally regarded as safe) chemical.
now my next question is who is going to be brave enough to try that trick with any brand of TFR. as i said guys i am happy to share some of my experiences over the years and hope that some of the info can be of benefit to others. Regards Tadgh
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I don't understand why nobody will say which chemicals may be harmful? We do it all the time with poles, vans and glass cleaning liquids its just an opinion?
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Don't take them on anymore less hassle cleaning windows. :)
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I don't understand why nobody will say which chemicals may be harmful? We do it all the time with poles, vans and glass cleaning liquids its just an opinion?
All chemicals are harmful in one way or another.
Follow the cosh sheet and you're usually ok though.
I did 3 SFG & conservatory's yesterday. All with TFR. Been using it for over 10 years.
Never ever had a problem.
Richard Clues did have a chemical specifically for lichen a while back. I'm gonna chase him up in that as it looked like it did a better job.
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because its all crap
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I don't understand why nobody will say which chemicals may be harmful? We do it all the time with poles, vans and glass cleaning liquids its just an opinion?
All chemicals are harmful in one way or another.
Follow the cosh sheet and you're usually ok though.
I did 3 SFG & conservatory's yesterday. All with TFR. Been using it for over 10 years.
Never ever had a problem.
Richard Clues did have a chemical specifically for lichen a while back. I'm gonna chase him up in that as it looked like it did a better job.
Its not made for lichen at all, the chemical is 99% identical to UBIK 2000
I did a similar roof late December. I left UBIK 2000 on for 20 mins and it had the same effect.
When i asked richard about Selden Maxima he said he had never used UBIK
TBH I am with Tadgh O Shea on this one. I have first hand experience of what damage UBIK and Virosol can do.
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I don't understand why nobody will say which chemicals may be harmful? We do it all the time with poles, vans and glass cleaning liquids its just an opinion?
All chemicals are harmful in one way or another.
Follow the cosh sheet and you're usually ok though.
I did 3 SFG & conservatory's yesterday. All with TFR. Been using it for over 10 years.
Never ever had a problem.
Richard Clues did have a chemical specifically for lichen a while back. I'm gonna chase him up in that as it looked like it did a better job.
Its not made for lichen at all, the chemical is 99% identical to UBIK 2000
I did a similar roof late December. I left UBIK 2000 on for 20 mins and it had the same effect.
When i asked richard about Selden Maxima he said he had never used UBIK
TBH I am with Tadgh O Shea on this one. I have first hand experience of what damage UBIK and Virosol can do.
Can't be the same stuff I saw...
He did a video of it.
It looked the daddy!
He sprayed a bit on (wIted however long) then just ran his finger through the lichen and it made a clean patch.
Cleaned it. Pan out to see the whole thing-looked lovely!
It was in a 5litre bottle, looked kinda bluey colour...
That it?
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I know Richard mate lol. Went round there and got a litre sample.
I tried it on a really bad roof. No difference to UBIK I'm afraid.
Reference the video. Yep I can do the same with UBIK. he left it for 20 mins. Leave UBIK for 20 mins.
Count 5 minutes in your head. Then imagine 20 lol
When delivery drivers say they knocked for 2 mins I just laugh.
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I know Richard mate lol. Went round there and got a litre sample.
I tried it on a really bad roof. No difference to UBIK I'm afraid.
Reference the video. Yep I can do the same with UBIK. he left it for 20 mins. Leave UBIK for 20 mins.
Count 5 minutes in your head. Then imagine 20 lol
When delivery drivers say they knocked for 2 mins I just laugh.
Oh. Thanks for the clarification bud.
I nearly chased him up to get some.
Saved me a job.
Cheers.
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so what damage have you seen virosol do then mate?
all ive noticed is it make conny roofs and F/S/Gs GLEAM!!!! ;D ;D ;D
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I know Richard mate lol. Went round there and got a litre sample.
I tried it on a really bad roof. No difference to UBIK I'm afraid.
Reference the video. Yep I can do the same with UBIK. he left it for 20 mins. Leave UBIK for 20 mins.
Count 5 minutes in your head. Then imagine 20 lol
When delivery drivers say they knocked for 2 mins I just laugh.
Oh. Thanks for the clarification bud.
I nearly chased him up to get some.
Saved me a job.
Cheers.
It is good stuff but compared to UBIK 2000 dont get me wrong i aint knocking Richard. One of the few people i have the up most respect for :)
PS it also smells exactly the same as UBIK ;)
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So is ubik better to use than virosol?
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So is ubik better to use than virosol?
Ubik contains solvents, virosol doesnt :)