Clean It Up
UK General Cleaning Forum => General Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: concept on March 07, 2014, 12:57:42 pm
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Ok, tried to glean the forum for a definitive guide on how to use hypo but can't find anything, as seemingly people want to keep it a bit of a trade secret...
We were asked to come in and rectify a job done by another firm where lichen spots were not removed, yet they were charged a fortune for the job.
It's a good sized commercial, which has Indian sand stone and some block paving.
Looking at it, it needs more than just a blast with a machine, it needs treatment.
Perfect for hypo...
As hypo is a hazardous chemical, I'd like some proper guidance on how to use it, would anyone be so kind as to give me some definitives?
I've spoken with Roger before on the subject, but didn't take notes properly, and I think it would be beneficial for not only me, but others, if someone could advise on it, before I blow myself up with it!
Now, watch the replies come flooding in ;D
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Simon are you talking about pool chlorine?
I see a guy using this today.
He basically diluted it, put it in a watering can. Watered the block stone. Left it for 10 mins. Then pressure washed off.
When i did my banking this morning, by the time i had done that, it had worked. Awesome job.
He told me add the CH to water and not acid to water and dont get it on grass.
HTH :P
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its simple enough to use however do not pea in the bucket with the hypo mix in in the back of your van.
from my limited experience mix it in a long bucket ... diluted down to a strength that shifts the crap .. use broom to disperse ............ some jobs I had to use neat to shift the stubborn stuff..
HOWEVER all the above may be wrong as im a NEWBIE :o :o :o :o (the peaing in the bucket however is accurate)
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So you could just buy a bottle of thick bleach and dilute it?
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So you could just buy a bottle of thick bleach and dilute it?
No.
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Simon are you talking about pool chlorine?
I see a guy using this today.
He basically diluted it, put it in a watering can. Watered the block stone. Left it for 10 mins. Then pressure washed off.
When i did my banking this morning, by the time i had done that, it had worked. Awesome job.
He told me add the CH to water and not acid to water and dont get it on grass.
HTH :P
Hypo is not an "acid" ::)roll
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"Strong thick bleach" is about less than 2% When people talk about "hypo" it is generally around 15% .
The solution you need to make up would be around 5%. Adding "soap" to it will make it more efficient as it sticks to the surface longer,given that tho' it kills the soap in about 15/20mins.
Whilst it is a valid addition to the "pressure washers" list of cleaning products I feel people use it too frequently...ask anybody who uses it they will all admit to having a dodgy experience with it. When mixed with acid (p or other cleaning chemicals) it gives of mustard gas. It burns skin,grass ,clothes and can damage property .
If it gets into the rain water system...as it would in our area of use, you would get prosecuted if caught. If you employ people I doubt you could write a risk assessment for spraying it.
The term "I use it all the time and it's ok " does not ring true with me. It's useful yes...but great care must be taken!!
I think for this reason you will not get much help with how to use it. Too many accidents/incidents and it will become another product that you will not be able to buy. I know that there are already restrictions coming in for it's safe use ,handling and storage shortly.
I have added a list of materials that react with it thanks to Lee @Blast-a-way for compiling it . The list is not exhaustive and Roger @ R&A pressure washing could add a list of wood/soft material aswell.
We will now get a load of posts saying "I use it all the time and it's ok" ...You make your on mind up.
Corrosivity to Metals:
Sodium hypochlorite solutions (15%) are corrosive to brass (aluminum, naval and silicon) bronze,
carbon steel, cast iron, Hastelloy, Inconel, nickel, stainless steels (types 304/347, 316 and 400
series) and silicon copper. Concentrated sodium hypochlorite is corrosive to most metals,
including aluminum, copper, brass, bronze, carbon steel, Hastelloy, Inconel, lead, Monel, nickel
and stainless steel type 400 series. Sodium hypochlorite solutions are not corrosive to tantalum,
titanium and zirconium. Dilute solutions are not corrosive to Hastelloy C/C-276 (10%), Incolloy
(5%) and high silicon iron.
Corrosivity to Non-Metals:
Sodium hypochlorite solutions attack some plastics (such as nylon, Bisphenol A-fumarate and
isophthalic polyesters), elastomers (such as soft rubber, neoprene and nitrile Buna-N) and
coatings (such as coal tar epoxy, epoxy and vinyls).
Sodium hypochlorite solutions do not attack acrylonitrile-butadiene-styrene (ABS), Butyl rubber,
isoprene, hard rubber, natural rubber, polyvinyl chloride (PVC), chlorinated polyvinyl chloride
(CPVC), polyethylene, polypropylene, polystyrene, Teflon and Viton.
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"Strong thick bleach" is about less than 2% When people talk about "hypo" it is generally around 15% .
The solution you need to make up would be around 5%. Adding "soap" to it will make it more efficient as it sticks to the surface longer,given that tho' it kills the soap in about 15/20mins.
Whilst it is a valid addition to the "pressure washers" list of cleaning products I feel people use it too frequently...ask anybody who uses it they will all admit to having a dodgy experience with it. When mixed with acid (p or other cleaning chemicals) it gives of mustard gas. It burns skin,grass ,clothes and can damage property .
If it gets into the rain water system...as it would in our area of use, you would get prosecuted if caught. If you employ people I doubt you could write a risk assessment for spraying it.
The term "I use it all the time and it's ok " does not ring true with me. It's useful yes...but great care must be taken!!
I think for this reason you will not get much help with how to use it. Too many accidents/incidents and it will become another product that you will not be able to buy. I know that there are already restrictions coming in for it's safe use ,handling and storage shortly.
I have added a list of materials that react with it thanks to Lee @Blast-a-way for compiling it . The list is not exhaustive and Roger @ R&A pressure washing could add a list of wood/soft material aswell.
We will now get a load of posts saying "I use it all the time and it's ok" ...You make your on mind up.
Corrosivity to Metals:
Sodium hypochlorite solutions (15%) are corrosive to brass (aluminum, naval and silicon) bronze,
carbon steel, cast iron, Hastelloy, Inconel, nickel, stainless steels (types 304/347, 316 and 400
series) and silicon copper. Concentrated sodium hypochlorite is corrosive to most metals,
including aluminum, copper, brass, bronze, carbon steel, Hastelloy, Inconel, lead, Monel, nickel
and stainless steel type 400 series. Sodium hypochlorite solutions are not corrosive to tantalum,
titanium and zirconium. Dilute solutions are not corrosive to Hastelloy C/C-276 (10%), Incolloy
(5%) and high silicon iron.
Corrosivity to Non-Metals:
Sodium hypochlorite solutions attack some plastics (such as nylon, Bisphenol A-fumarate and
isophthalic polyesters), elastomers (such as soft rubber, neoprene and nitrile Buna-N) and
coatings (such as coal tar epoxy, epoxy and vinyls).
Sodium hypochlorite solutions do not attack acrylonitrile-butadiene-styrene (ABS), Butyl rubber,
isoprene, hard rubber, natural rubber, polyvinyl chloride (PVC), chlorinated polyvinyl chloride
(CPVC), polyethylene, polypropylene, polystyrene, Teflon and Viton.
blimey very good young chris
Only use it a the lAst resort, worked for yrs without it. If u purchase it from a decent supplier they should give you clear advice on how to use it.
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It is quite addictive once you start using it, it like crack for pressure washer junkies. Ive not got to the addiction level as Lee yet he brushes his teeth with it in the morning!
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Only use it a the lAst resort, worked for yrs without it. If u purchase it from a decent supplier they should give you clear advice on how to use it.
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The only thing is suppliers are suppling for swimming pool cleaning/treatment, not the same as how we (pressure washers) use it. They should be able to give you some do's & don'ts but that's it.
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Thanks for that Chris, we've spoken about it before, just wondered if anyone would give some guidelines.
So what alternatives are there for removing lichen?
Seems opinion is split, although so many posts I read say, used hypo....
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I rarely use it to clean. Always just use the FSC or lance, then once it's clean, i see if hypo is needed. Then go around and spot spray.
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So the answer is " don't buy it unless you know what you are doing". people should not be asking on here then sploshing it everywhere. If you cannot write Rams for its use then you should not buy it
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So the answer is " don't buy it unless you know what you are doing". people should not be asking on here then sploshing it everywhere. If you cannot write Rams for its use then you should not buy it
Thats why I am asking....
So many on here say they use it, but nobody is really forthcoming with the info.
So kind of stuck.
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So the answer is " don't buy it unless you know what you are doing". people should not be asking on here then sploshing it everywhere. If you cannot write Rams for its use then you should not buy it
Thats why I am asking....
So many on here say they use it, but nobody is really forthcoming with the info.
So kind of stuck.
Think this bang on, I came on here to learn and saw the term hypo being used a lot and it seems like loads of people are using it. So I thought it is a must in driveway, patio, decking cleaning industry yet when you ask the question not many want to answer like its a massive secret or something. Surely it would be better to educate then people would not go buying it and spraying everyone without really knowing what it is or how to use it.
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I'm all for educating people but a few tips here is not adequate training if you have no background in handling chemicals. You feel free to use it but first ask yourself if you end up in court could you honestly say you were competant. We all have to start somewhere but haw many of us carry MSDS sheets for our chemicals ? Its bad enough writing rams for all the jobs. I am trained in chemical handling, CIP's and have an understanding of industrial cleaning. You just need to understand the implications when it all goes pear shaped - does your PL cover it ? Just cover your bottom
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The only thing is suppliers are suppling for swimming pool cleaning/treatment, not the same as how we (pressure washers) use it. They should be able to give you some do's & don'ts but that's it.
Understand what your saying, my post was probably a bit short sighted. We buy from local pressure washing / Chem 'supplier', they are far more qualified then anyone on here (no disrespect meant!)
Roger thks for that rec the other day, they wanted the roof clean carried out in March !
Looking at the job next week but have told her earliest end of April, to be honest realistically probably end of May now.
Simon, I gave you contact details for pressure washing company they are also chem suppliers, speak to them they 'may' be willing to give you more details / information. You have to appreciate this is an open forum, hence any 'muppet' can read / write posts :)
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You have to appreciate this is an open forum, hence any 'muppet' can read / write posts :)
You looking at me 8)
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So the answer is " don't buy it unless you know what you are doing". people should not be asking on here then sploshing it everywhere. If you cannot write Rams for its use then you should not buy it
Thats why I am asking....
So many on here say they use it, but nobody is really forthcoming with the info.
So kind of stuck.
Thats because nobody should be using it for what we use it for.....
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The only thing is suppliers are suppling for swimming pool cleaning/treatment, not the same as how we (pressure washers) use it. They should be able to give you some do's & don'ts but that's it.
Understand what your saying, my post was probably a bit short sighted. We buy from local pressure washing / Chem 'supplier', they are far more qualified then anyone on here (no disrespect meant!)
Roger thks for that rec the other day, they wanted the roof clean carried out in March !
Looking at the job next week but have told her earliest end of April, to be honest realistically probably end of May now.
Simon, I gave you contact details for pressure washing company they are also chem suppliers, speak to them they 'may' be willing to give you more details / information. You have to appreciate this is an open forum, hence any 'muppet' can read / write posts :)
Your like me get your chems from a chemical supplier or manufacture but most would be looking to eBay or swimming pool outlets so no real info from them in how to use it.
Re the recommendation no problem, it's not our field of work as you know so would rather pass it on to someone that can do the job, Good Luck with it, if it's a nice earner just add a % on ;D
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This is how we use it...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dizjNvoW08&feature=youtube_gdata_player
We call it something else...... ;D
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The only thing is suppliers are suppling for swimming pool cleaning/treatment, not the same as how we (pressure washers) use it. They should be able to give you some do's & don'ts but that's it.
Understand what your saying, my post was probably a bit short sighted. We buy from local pressure washing / Chem 'supplier', they are far more qualified then anyone on here (no disrespect meant!)
Roger thks for that rec the other day, they wanted the roof clean carried out in March !
Looking at the job next week but have told her earliest end of April, to be honest realistically probably end of May now.
Simon, I gave you contact details for pressure washing company they are also chem suppliers, speak to them they 'may' be willing to give you more details / information. You have to appreciate this is an open forum, hence any 'muppet' can read / write posts :)
Your like me get your chems from a chemical supplier or manufacture but most would be looking to eBay or swimming pool outlets so no real info from them in how to use it.
Re the recommendation no problem, it's not our field of work as you know so would rather pass it on to someone that can do the job, Good Luck with it, if it's a nice earner just add a % on ;D
Thats the reason I suggest to guys to build a relationship with a local supplier ref machines plus chemicals, always get it cheaper online but you dont get the backup.
Was the enquiry from CAT, If they are prepared to wait no prob ref % ;). may join CAT and run it alongside Trust a T :D
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The only thing is suppliers are suppling for swimming pool cleaning/treatment, not the same as how we (pressure washers) use it. They should be able to give you some do's & don'ts but that's it.
Understand what your saying, my post was probably a bit short sighted. We buy from local pressure washing / Chem 'supplier', they are far more qualified then anyone on here (no disrespect meant!)
Roger thks for that rec the other day, they wanted the roof clean carried out in March !
Looking at the job next week but have told her earliest end of April, to be honest realistically probably end of May now.
Simon, I gave you contact details for pressure washing company they are also chem suppliers, speak to them they 'may' be willing to give you more details / information. You have to appreciate this is an open forum, hence any 'muppet' can read / write posts :)
Your like me get your chems from a chemical supplier or manufacture but most would be looking to eBay or swimming pool outlets so no real info from them in how to use it.
Re the recommendation no problem, it's not our field of work as you know so would rather pass it on to someone that can do the job, Good Luck with it, if it's a nice earner just add a % on ;D
Thats the reason I suggest to guys to build a relationship with a local supplier ref machines plus chemicals, always get it cheaper online but you dont get the backup.
Was the enquiry from CAT, If they are prepared to wait no prob ref % ;). may join CAT and run it alongside Trust a T :D
No not CAT Mike, rather not put on here where it came from though ;)
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This is how we use it...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dizjNvoW08&feature=youtube_gdata_player
We call it something else...... ;D
Nice informative video ;D Was there any need for the bleach?
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You looking at me 8)
YES ;D .. partially aimed at myself, dont worry only have a week left then I go on my sabbatical from CIU and return in the winter time ;D
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You looking at me 8)
YES ;D .. partially aimed at myself, dont worry only have a week left then I go on my sabbatical from CIU and return in the winter time ;D
I will be a pressure washing chemical expert by then ;D
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This is how we use it...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dizjNvoW08&feature=youtube_gdata_player
We call it something else...... ;D
must cost a fortune buying a "specially" formulated cleaning solution ;)
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This is how we use it...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dizjNvoW08&feature=youtube_gdata_player
We call it something else...... ;D
Like that!
"The secrets in the sauce!"
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This is how we use it...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dizjNvoW08&feature=youtube_gdata_player
We call it something else...... ;D
Nice informative video ;D Was there any need for the bleach?
Yes
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This is how we use it...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dizjNvoW08&feature=youtube_gdata_player
We call it something else...... ;D
Nice informative video ;D Was there any need for the bleach?
Yes
I also notice your employee is not wearing any sort of PPE when washing away the bleach...you as an employer need to ensure that he does .
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Probably smart shield trained :o
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Probably smart shield trained :o
No ..he would be wearing flip flops as well
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Simon are you talking about pool chlorine?
I see a guy using this today.
He basically diluted it, put it in a watering can. Watered the block stone. Left it for 10 mins. Then pressure washed off.
When i did my banking this morning, by the time i had done that, it had worked. Awesome job.
He told me add the CH to water and not acid to water and dont get it on grass.
HTH :P
Hypo is not an "acid" ::)roll
I will print out your reply, and direct your ::)roll at him
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Simon are you talking about pool chlorine?
I see a guy using this today.
He basically diluted it, put it in a watering can. Watered the block stone. Left it for 10 mins. Then pressure washed off.
When i did my banking this morning, by the time i had done that, it had worked. Awesome job.
He told me add the CH to water and not acid to water and dont get it on grass.
HTH :P
Hypo is not an "acid" ::)roll
I will print out your reply, and direct your ::)roll at him
Feel free to, Hypo is an alkaline not an acid.
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So the answer is " don't buy it unless you know what you are doing". people should not be asking on here then sploshing it everywhere. If you cannot write Rams for its use then you should not buy it
And if you are unaware of the PH scale then thats another reason why you should not buy it - if just for your own safety
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So the answer is " don't buy it unless you know what you are doing". people should not be asking on here then sploshing it everywhere. If you cannot write Rams for its use then you should not buy it
And if you are unaware of the PH scale then thats another reason why you should not buy it - if just for your own safety
15% bleach has a PH of 13 ..the scale ends at 14. ...it's gonna hurt you ;D
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Chris, are you back home or still on hols ? Ed
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Back
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Chris, just to remind you if you could send me a sample across ! Ed
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So the answer is " don't buy it unless you know what you are doing". people should not be asking on here then sploshing it everywhere. If you cannot write Rams for its use then you should not buy it
And if you are unaware of the PH scale then thats another reason why you should not buy it - if just for your own safety
15% bleach has a PH of 13 ..the scale ends at 14. ...it's gonna hurt you ;D
It's a Logarithmic scale which in laymans terms means its going to hurt lots and lots and a lot more ;)
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So the answer is " don't buy it unless you know what you are doing". people should not be asking on here then sploshing it everywhere. If you cannot write Rams for its use then you should not buy it
And if you are unaware of the PH scale then thats another reason why you should not buy it - if just for your own safety
15% bleach has a PH of 13 ..the scale ends at 14. ...it's gonna hurt you ;D
Chris
15% of which bleach measures 13 on the pH scale? Who told you was it Emma???
Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics Ltd
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So the answer is " don't buy it unless you know what you are doing". people should not be asking on here then sploshing it everywhere. If you cannot write Rams for its use then you should not buy it
And if you are unaware of the PH scale then thats another reason why you should not buy it - if just for your own safety
15% bleach has a PH of 13 ..the scale ends at 14. ...it's gonna hurt you ;D
Chris
15% of which bleach measures 13 on the pH scale? Who told you was it Emma???
Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics Ltd
Not 15% of any bleach ..but 15% bleach which is "neat" "strong as it comes" bleach has a Ph of 13.
Try this http://chemteacher.chemeddl.org/services/chemteacher/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=97
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On the subject of Hypo, could someone please give me a recommendation and a possible link to supplier for a hand pump sprayer suitable for Hypo? Do the seals need to be a special material or will just a regular pump sprayer be suitable?
Thanks in advance for any help
Gavin
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http://www.agratech.co.uk/Stainless-Steel-Pressure-Sprayer-10ltr.html ..it will still kill it.
Having read previous posts do you really want spray it? ;D
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Cheers Chris, handy to have a wee sprayer for some spot treatments now and again! ;) that one you gave a link to wee bit more than I was hoping or wishing to pay! I was hoping for a £40-£50 special! Thanks for your reply, appreciated - Gavin
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Cheers Chris, handy to have a wee sprayer for some spot treatments now and again! ;) that one you gave a link to wee bit more than I was hoping or wishing to pay! I was hoping for a £40-£50 special! Thanks for your reply, appreciated - Gavin
Do you have £40-50 eyes? ;D
If you must use it (bleach) use a brush.
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Can anybody tell me what the dilution ratio is for 14% hypo?
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As far as I can see, the dilution ratio is up to you depending on what works on each job.
I've been told 1:3 or 1:4 by a couple of people now, so I'd start there, or even less, like 1:5, and see what the results are like.
But hey, no-one uses it, so I couldn't have been told that ;D