Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: dazmond on February 28, 2014, 04:14:17 pm
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thats it!ive finished with hot water for good! ;D ;D ;D
i was faffing around this morning with my new thermobore plus.i hate it!too heavy and i just couldnt get the calibration right on controller to shut the water off in a quick time.
after cleaning some offices i came home.took out heater and thermobore and gas bottle.replaced with reel with microbore on.
rest of the day no problems whatsoever.nice light hose.no pressure problems,no fumes in the van.
ive spent £150 on gas in 3 months and around £350 on heater,thermobore,connectors etc.so £500 altogether.
ill be selling my heater and 90m of thermobore plus to try and recoup a bit of the money ive spent.ive also got a few metres of radiator hose surplus.
im glad ive tried hot water but for me its just not worth it.ive not saved any time whatsoever over the last few months.in fact its cost me time and money that didnt need to be spent.
im looking forward to spring now!heater free,gas bottle free,fume free and no pressure or hose problems! :D
the hose you need for hot water just slows me down and negates any cleaning benefit compared to using standard microbore.
very best wishes to you all
dazmond
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Daz you should keep it just for the very cold days when it's frosty and snowy.
I know when it's that cold my jets & hose just freeze up so only use it for them days, not sure if we getting this cold snap coming but so far so good the winter has been mild. I gotta say you are right thou there is alot of flapping about with hot as sometimes the pilot goes out and the shower drips a lil sometimes !!!
Least you tried thou but quite costly 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧
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Daz can afford to chuck it away!
Won't need to increase his prices now! ;D
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Can't see the point of hot personally, only got a Berlingo so don't really want to cart gas and heaters around or heavy hose for that matter, as for working in cold weather got some nice skiing gloves thanks and if it's that cold, I won't work, work when it's not snowing. Too clean filthy jobs, easy detergent!
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dannymack i dont consider £500 a lot of money.if i get £150 for heater and thermobore then its only £350 ive lost.
BUT ive learnt something!!i had to try hot water for myself and over the last 3 months ive decided its not for me.its really not needed IMO.
ive worked in -2 before now with cold wfp with very little problems.a separate flask of hot water thaws the jets out if they freeze(only happened about 3 times in 4 years)and if the hose freezes on the ground its time to go home anyway IMO.(has never happened to me by the way as i keep the water flowing as much as possible).
on below freezing nights i bring reel in and pop an oil filled radiator in the back of van.job done and no frozen pumps etc.
im on a mission dave next month.price increases across the board(80% of my work).ive already put my 2 monthlies up.so from april i should be earning at least an extra £250-300 per month for the same work. ;)
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I am guessing that a professionalyl installed system is less problematic.
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Daz £500 is alot of money, your forgetting all the bits and bobs plus the thermo 6mm hose you bought that blew.
I go out at 4.30am and its freezZZZing so defo need warm water for me. I have a heater in the van that clicks on at 3am so it's nice and toasty but i once worked with cold water when the ground was frosty, my hose just froze when I was working as it was laying on the frostyyy grass. Wouldn't be without my hot wash as I only have it warm to stop that and keep hoses nice and soft !!!! 👍🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧
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I remember getting cheesed off with hot, due to the same reason. The pump wasn't stopping in time, pressure was building, hoses were bursting and I was wasting water. It seemed that no matter what adjustment I made to both a digital controller and an analogue one I couldn't get the pump cut off time right. What I did was to max out the calibration setting and then lower the pressure switch on the pump and the result is a perfect working hot water fed pole system.
It might be worth storing the equipment rather than selling it. If you sell it all you might claw back £200 maybe £300, next year we might have weather systems like they have had in the USA this year and then a few hours modding your van will enable you to work in the extreme cold not losing out on £2-300 a day. Of course next year might be warm and wet again you never know, but that's the point you never know, sell the gear and you might be buying it all back again in 10 months time.
Simon.
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Some time back someone on here got rid of his Aquadapter, could not get used to it was the problem, only to fit it after a few months.I guess its a case of playing with fire and getting his hands burner. ANOTHER HOT WATER GURU HAS GONE COLD. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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true simon.i think ill keep it stored away for the forseeable future.its only a heater and hose.i can take the gas bottle back to the shop! ;) ;D
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Daz, why not do the 2 reel one hot one cold setup? If it's all connected and not causing any problems, you will always have it available for when you need it.
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A couple of months ago you was telling us hot water is so much better than cold, cuts through the dirt better etc! Make up your mind ;D
Had a couple of teething problems when I went hot, but worked them out and it has been good to have. Never had the twisted hose etc you seem to have had.
Stick with it, and only use when it is cold, or a real green manky job.
Changed my gas bottle today, last time it was changed was October so that shows how little I use the heater. And only a 6kg bottle too. But it is good to know it is there when I need it.
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I am guessing that a professionalyl installed system is less problematic.
Bang on.
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Last year my heater earned me atleast £500 with work I wouldn't have got done other wise. I'm in Scotland though.
Not having a hot wash isn't an option for me now.
I never use it unless I'm doing very dirty windows, or when it's frosty outside.
Would be daft not having a heater really.
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Lol daz, we went hot about the same time...we both ordered the natural gas heaters ;D
Hot IS alot nicer to work with, there is no doubt about that. I used cold today and i didnt enjoy it!
I really dont know what your struggling with, i dont even use thermobore, just mircobore and dont have problems, as i said in another post, i have a T off back to the tank before the reel. This way the hot just pumps back into tank when i unplug then im walking back to the van to turn it off. Never ever had a problem.
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Possibly a case that spending decent money to have a purpose built professional set up installed would be the best option where hot water systems are concerned.
Just an observation...
Mr B
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Possibly a case that spending decent money to have a purpose built professional set up installed would be the best option where hot water systems are concerned.
Just an observation...
Mr B
My heater was £79 delivered. I cant fault it...i dont think this is the problem.
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Hot water, for windows ::)roll
Isn't it the pure water and agitation via brush that does the cleaning?
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Hi Dazmond, Your're lucky! I never even got near. Bought two aquarium heaters and a small pump, luckily quite cheap. Got the Farenheight and Celcius wrong ha ha, water about as warm as a cold cup of tea. Lesson learnt.
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You guy follow like sheep.Hot water is the dogs, you will miss out on the best thing because Daz fried his hose with boiling water.
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i will be using hot for con cleans etc..but on my standard maintenance
cleans i will be using cold..especially in the summer when i enjoy
that cool mist blowing towards me ;D
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im gonna keep the heater and hose but put it in storage then if we get a very cold winter ill bring it out of hibernation.
other than that ill be using cold water all year round.less messing about.there is no way i could use normal microbore with hot water!i blew my normal thermobore in 3 months with hot!! ::)roll ;D.
the real issues are having to use heavier hose which makes a massive difference when your dragging it around every day.
pressure problems from time to time ruining hoses,blowing connectors
expense of gas(£50 a month)if used every day
fumes in the van
no real difference in speed or ease of cleaning apart from birdmuck and snailtrails but the added weight of heavier hose negates the time saved on the odd window.
not needed on add on jobs as virosol and outside taps is just as quick as flow better and you save your pure water so cheaper.
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talked yourself out of it daz ;D
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on the subject of fumes ,worth checkin the airflow vents on any van / often near the back door hinges , surprising how many of those are blocked up ,makes a real difference too
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You guy follow like sheep.Hot water is the dogs, you will miss out on the best thing because Daz fried his hose with boiling water.
its defo overrated IMO and its expensive and more messing around.
i speak from experience although i will get it up and running if we have a very cold winter in the future!BUT!it would have to be pretty bad!!snow etc. ;D ;D ;D
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im gonna keep the heater and hose but put it in storage then if we get a very cold winter ill bring it out of hibernation.
other than that ill be using cold water all year round.less messing about.there is no way i could use normal microbore with hot water!i blew my normal thermobore in 3 months with hot!! ::)roll ;D.
the real issues are having to use heavier hose which makes a massive difference when your dragging it around every day.
pressure problems from time to time ruining hoses,blowing connectors
expense of gas(£50 a month)if used every day
fumes in the van
no real difference in speed or ease of cleaning apart from birdmuck and snailtrails but the added weight of heavier hose negates the time saved on the odd window.
not needed on add on jobs as virosol and outside taps is just as quick as flow better and you save your pure water so cheaper.
We use minibore on warm water with no probs.
Only time I ever had a problem with leaks and constant bulging was with a digital controller.
I couldn't get the cut off right with the heated hose so put on an analogue controller ,
Bingo never had a problem since.
I've since swapped 3 controllers over to analogues and there is never a problem with air locks or pressure. Dial the settings in and away you go .5 on speed and 1oclock on dead end.
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Got 3 gas heaters in the garage waste of money
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hot water is better but imho its not worth the cost . some have it luke warm and i can't see the benefit used like this. it s a lot better when its coming out hot hot . summer its good for bird and fly dirt and residue left by bees but it needs to be hot not luke warm . thermal shock is a danger though. my only issue with hot is the cost ..seems nuts to spend 60 to 100 a month on it.
i miss it when i run out lol
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The problem with hot water has been highlighted above - it needs to be pretty hot to be effective. Once you've had a pane crack like I did then you'll never feel confident of running your system above luke warm which is pretty pointless really if cold will do.
The comfort side of it is great, the cleaning side - nothing special.
I'll probably purchase a cheap Claber reel and microbore in the next couple of weeks for the rest of the season. £26 of gas every fortnight becomes a bit tiresome too.
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Are the moans from gas users or diesel users? Which system do you use? Hot water is by far superior in cleaning than cold water. You need to learn how to use it.
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Are the moans from gas users or diesel users? Which system do you use? Hot water is by far superior in cleaning than cold water. You need to learn how to use it.
That would depend on the work,on my maintenance cleans it cant
get any easier barely cleaning dirty glass and hot really wouldnt make
any difference,as someone else has stated i would still make the same
amount of brush movements and rinse the same,if at all.
Heavily soiled work,filty first cleans,heavily soiled con roofs baked
on in the summer i would agree with the superior cleaning comment
Its not essential, come spring though it will be another tool
to use when i deem necessary
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I guess the ideal scenario would be to have a trolley like setup that you could literally wheel out when doing a conservatory clean, just connect your reel to the heater outlet and crack on.
The only issue I see there is the flame staying lit if it's stood outside of van, although that would help to avoid any H&S issues with fumes.
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??? ???
its pretty cold here this morning.ice on my windscreen!all my jobs are 6 weekly commercial today with one domestic.offices on a main road first job off the day which will be dirty after the storms so im glad im using hot water today! ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Are the moans from gas users or diesel users? Which system do you use? Hot water is by far superior in cleaning than cold water. You need to learn how to use it.
That would depend on the work,on my maintenance cleans it cant
get any easier barely cleaning dirty glass and hot really wouldnt make
any difference,as someone else has stated i would still make the same
amount of brush movements and rinse the same,if at all.
Heavily soiled work,filty first cleans,heavily soiled con roofs baked
on in the summer i would agree with the superior cleaning comment
Its not essential, come spring though it will be another tool
to use when i deem necessary
agree
I have not used my hot water all this winter, it has its place amongst the other tools in the tool box
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I guess the ideal scenario would be to have a trolley like setup that you could literally wheel out when doing a conservatory clean, just connect your reel to the heater outlet and crack on.
The only issue I see there is the flame staying lit if it's stood outside of van, although that would help to avoid any H&S issues with fumes.
Virosol or similar, old pole and brush to mains. Final rinse with pure.
Job done.
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Are the moans from gas users or diesel users? Which system do you use? Hot water is by far superior in cleaning than cold water. You need to learn how to use it.
Oh Jesus, learn how to use hot water? Maybe an nvq is coming?
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Immersion heater in your tank gives you like warm water.
Cheaper to use than gas too.
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£50 a month in gas! :o
I have it on all day every day and it lasts over 3 weeks. I checked last time and it was 3 weeks and 4 days so you may aswel say the month.
Daz how do you do everything wrong ;D just kidding :)
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I'd never take my hot out .
Good for cold days
Good for conny roofs etc
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thanks daze that made my mind up then.
i will stick with what i got.
regards
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I have a 16Amp immersion set up. External socket on house & 24 hour timer inside house (under consumer unit).
On cold night (zero or below) I pull up & just plug in, job done!! ;D
Van has complete frost protection (as tank acts like a giant radiator) & I get all the other benefits too, soft hoses etc. There is no difference in cleaning power IMO but it does mean my van & system are ready to go no matter what the weather. ;)
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In reply to previous post, cleaning with water heated up from immersion isnt the same as cleaning with water from a boiler. I know as i have both.
By time the water hits the brush from immersion its warm, nicely warm yes...but not hot like a boiler ;)
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thanks daze that made my mind up then.
i will stick with what i got.
regards
same here many thanks
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sorry i keep calling you daze stupid predictive typo error
cheers daze ;D