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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: paul ette on February 01, 2014, 06:11:01 pm
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Anyone use one instead of a van? Is it worth it or best to stick to a van?
Reason I ask is that I'm looking for another van and considering using one of these
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I asked this question A while ago, basically been told they drink far to much fuel and ain't a comfortable drive I wanted to combine it as a social car as i like the look and work horse but basied on what I have been told is only get it if you need to drive on grass often so quite disappointing as I was hoping to hear better
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Just looked you can get specially made tanks for them , thought it would be good rather than a boring van, not really practical tho I spose
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I have a barbarian, love it, drives lovely, driven carefully its nots that bad on fuel. After a 500ltr tank and a couple of reels doesn't leave much room for anything else but has the 5 seats.
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Anyone use one instead of a van? Is it worth it or best to stick to a van?
Reason I ask is that I'm looking for another van and considering using one of these
I'm sure i read solar steve had a tank fitted in the back of one
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Anyone use one instead of a van? Is it worth it or best to stick to a van?
Reason I ask is that I'm looking for another van and considering using one of these
I'm sure i read solar steve had a tank fitted in the back of one
but he didn't need a RAMs
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What sort of payload does one of them have
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there over 1000kg
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Niceeee! Decent if alls you use is wfp, but if gutter baca and geneartors, powerwashers ext, no good
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My brother has one. He loves it!
Only downside for him is that the poles won't go in the load space.
He used to have tubes on top but didn't like them for security, he sticks it through the cab now at an angle
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We have an Animal.
Brilliant bit of kit, we use it for pressure washing, gutter work, and more.
Versatile enough for many things, but not as practical as a van.
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I asked this question A while ago, basically been told they drink far to much fuel and ain't a comfortable drive I wanted to combine it as a social car as i like the look and work horse but basied on what I have been told is only get it if you need to drive on grass often so quite disappointing as I was hoping to hear better
Wrong wrong wrong . I have a 60 plate L200 Trojan and you maybe looking at an older model L200 but they are built like tanks IMHO i know a few fellow owners that have no complaints at all .
I get about 30-35 mpg that is fully loaded with 500kg with short drives as you would expect . Mine does 99% tarmac driving and after 30 months of ownership i would not have any other truck . Mike
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500kg payload is weak
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Anyone use one instead of a van? Is it worth it or best to stick to a van?
Reason I ask is that I'm looking for another van and considering using one of these
I'm sure i read solar steve had a tank fitted in the back of one
but he didn't need a RAMs
;D ;D ;D
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I have a warrior. 500l tank fits perfectly in between wheel arches. I get 350-370 miles per tank(£80). Mine has been brilliant and had it since new. Its a 53 plate with 135k. Have just changed clutch for first time. Changed the front brakes for time time 2 months ago and back brakes still have 70% left according to the garage. Not bad considering I carry that much weight. Will be getting another one soon to add to the fold.
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Whats the payload on ur warrior will?
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500kg payload is weak
Payload is 1.2 ton , Fully loaded i carry 500kg or 1/2 ton . Mike
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All double cab L200's are the same with regards to payload and load bed size , The difference in the purchase price for different models is because of the interior finish and alloys etc . Mike
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Anyone use one instead of a van? Is it worth it or best to stick to a van?
Reason I ask is that I'm looking for another van and considering using one of these
I'm sure i read solar steve had a tank fitted in the back of one
I have an L200 with a payload of over a ton. I've got a 500litre tank in it and may well buy another in the summer if things keep growing as they are. One works out of it most of the time, but you can do two men perfectly if you need to.
I've got an L3 H2 Citroen Relay as well for the other stuff we do like pressure washing and gutter cleaning. I don't have to put roof bars on my L200 then. It's got a 1000litre tank in it for window cleaning too.
I love my L200. It's thirsty, but for what we do, it pays. :)
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Really good to hear you are enjoying your L200 Steve . Mike
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renewals and parts may be a bit more £££££, tyres etc. but thats not very often. looked myself, warrior / barbarian. they have a video on there dealership home page. looks the part, especially if you have family, all sit in the cab
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is the 500 litre tank a flat laying one? would an upright one fit?
also do you strap it in or drill some holes through the floor
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has anyone got any pictures to show how the setup fits in? would be really apreciated
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Flat tank is way better for weight distribution , I have a 400ltr flat tank which wedges nicely between the wheel arches a 600ltr tank will fit the same as the only difference in size is the height .
My tank has some hefty pieces of timber down one side of tank to act as dunnage and a pump box turned on its side down the other side behind wheel arches .
Then i have two 2 ton ratchet straps in a X formation across top of tank and piece of 4x2 in between tank and tailgate because of the small gap . All this i did under instruction from a relative who worked in transport in the Army for years . Mike
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(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1391362039_100_1974.JPG)
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Good job will
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Tank is a flat one. Uprights are too high. Pay about £400 and you can get a bespoke accident-tested tank with about 677 litres and still enough room for your kit.
Here's mine.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ilc67fl1lkm85vh/IMAG2445.jpg
How do I upload the pic from my desktop PC? It doesn't work when I click the "Upload Files" button or when I click the small picture icon... ???
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(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1391362039_100_1974.JPG)
LOL @ Harriet, Horace and 62l.
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looks decent, plenty of room,,, tempting
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I had a barbarian with 500 flat tank. Great truck , but decided I missed the size of a van so bought another v dub transporter :)
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Looks really good with a couple of chopped down PF trolley's i like it .
But for me if i had a canopy on the back i would stick with a flat tank with ply board over the top of tank and reels bolted onto ply board . Mike
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Not enough room,you will always be compromised.They are fuel guzzlers and expensive to insure. A big toy,hardly fit for purpose as a wfp window cleaning vehicle. A larger estate car able to carry the weight is all they are. Very difficult to p in without being observed and for that reason alone I`m out!
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Nobody has mentioned the road tax, are the newer ones about £475 P/A???
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Not enough room,you will always be compromised.They are fuel guzzlers and expensive to insure. A big toy,hardly fit for purpose as a wfp window cleaning vehicle. A larger estate car able to carry the weight is all they are. Very difficult to p in without being observed and for that reason alone I`m out!
Have you owned one?
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£260 a year road tax . Mine is a total gas guzzler i only 290 miles out of £60 of fuel . :P
As for Insurance depends what you deem as expensive and it is down to NCD and personal circumstancesand dont forget how many lads come on here crying because they dare not go out in the snow abd they have not worked for days when it has snowed.
I travel to some remote houses along single farm tracks sometimes with potholes about 6" deep cant see a van suspension taking the abuse with 500kg in the back . Mike
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maybe i should view one and test drive it, its a mix response we seem to hear, i do like the look of em,
but i dont dive on grass ever. etc. purely roads.
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My driving is 98% tarmac driving , Dont know who the hell told you about driving on grass they either dont have a clue or are winding you up . Mike
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Not enough room,you will always be compromised.They are fuel guzzlers and expensive to insure. A big toy,hardly fit for purpose as a wfp window cleaning vehicle. A larger estate car able to carry the weight is all they are. Very difficult to p in without being observed and for that reason alone I`m out!
They have nothing in common with an estate car - they can carry 2.25 times the weight and are built on a separate chassis that seems to be made out of girders with a load compartment that's entirely separate from the passenger compartment. They are designed to carry heavy, awkward or hazardous loads on all terrain and most importantly are designed to get and run wet. They are an ideal, totally fit for purpose vehicle with mine costing £380 fully comp and road tax set at £225. It's my fourth and easily my best ever work vehicle.
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Not enough room,you will always be compromised.They are fuel guzzlers and expensive to insure. A big toy,hardly fit for purpose as a wfp window cleaning vehicle. A larger estate car able to carry the weight is all they are. Very difficult to p in without being observed and for that reason alone I`m out!
They have nothing in common with an estate car - they can carry 2.25 times the weight and are built on a separate chassis that seems to be made out of girders with a load compartment that's entirely separate from the passenger compartment. They are designed to carry heavy, awkward or hazardous loads on all terrain and most importantly are designed to get and run wet. They are an ideal, totally fit for purpose vehicle with mine costing £380 fully comp and road tax set at £225. It's my fourth and easily my best ever work vehicle.
A double cab pickup may have a good payload, but in relation to the size of the vehicle, it has a very small load bay indeed. I do agree with you that they have nothing in common with an estate car, BUT, unless you happen to need the extra ground clearance and 4wd, i would agree with nameless drudge, that they are totally unsuitable for wfp window cleaning (unless you simply want the pose value!?). Even if you need 5 seats, you would be much better off with a crewcab van. I also have some very rural properties which i manage to reach just fine with my transit connect!. I am also a little curious as to why you think the most important aspect of a pickup is that it is "designed to get and run wet"?!. My transit connect also runs quite fine in the rain, it will even go through puddles!.
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IMHO it depends on the business i have managed great with an L200 for the past 30 months and woyld never dream of buying a van .
As for the statement totally unsuirable for wfp window cleaning how would you know if you have never owned or used one. Mike
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IMHO it depends on the business i have managed great with an L200 for the past 30 months and woyld never dream of buying a van .
As for the statement totally unsuirable for wfp window cleaning how would you know if you have never owned or used one. Mike
Who said i had never owned or used one?
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You never said either way you just seem anti Truck . :P
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It's the rigger boots that put me off.
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Dont wear rigger boots flat cap and tweed jacket though. ;D ;D . Mike
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I looked at an Itchifanni Raging Rash once - in bright red. Put me off to be honest. Pick up - from somewhere.
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Forgot about Hawker Boots bit slippy in wet weather without segs ;) ;) . Mike
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How about using one of these instead!
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/used-cars/land-rover/discovery/used-land-rover-discovery-2-7-td-v6-se-5dr-auto-neath-fpa-201402041543117?logcode=p
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The problem in this country is that vans are widely accepted as the first choice for a works vehicle , And some people think people who drive Pickup Trucks are gypsies .
And that they are not a works vehicle but a leisure vehicle , But a proper works vehicle is exactly what they are built for and fitted with plastic load liners and double bulkhead are great works vehicle .
As a WFP vehicle it is far more ready to use , Flat tank, Pump Box and away you go no ply-lining or waterproofing and no waiting for frame to be fitted to secure tank . Mike
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How about using one of these instead!
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/used-cars/land-rover/discovery/used-land-rover-discovery-2-7-td-v6-se-5dr-auto-neath-fpa-201402041543117?logcode=p
Dont think the rear fold down seats would take the weight of a tank . ;D ;D . Mike
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They have nothing in common with an estate car - they can carry 2.25 times the weight and are built on a separate chassis that seems to be made out of girders with a load compartment that's entirely separate from the passenger compartment. They are designed to carry heavy, awkward or hazardous loads on all terrain and most importantly are designed to get and run wet. They are an ideal, totally fit for purpose vehicle with mine costing £380 fully comp and road tax set at £225. It's my fourth and easily my best ever work vehicle.
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A double cab pickup may have a good payload, but in relation to the size of the vehicle, it has a very small load bay indeed. I do agree with you that they have nothing in common with an estate car, BUT, unless you happen to need the extra ground clearance and 4wd, i would agree with nameless drudge, that they are totally unsuitable for wfp window cleaning (unless you simply want the pose value!?). Even if you need 5 seats, you would be much better off with a crewcab van. I also have some very rural properties which i manage to reach just fine with my transit connect!. I am also a little curious as to why you think the most important aspect of a pickup is that it is "designed to get and run wet"?!. My transit connect also runs quite fine in the rain, it will even go through puddles!.
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I briefly used a large estate car, a Citroen XM, which is huge and probably one of the best designed purpose built load carriers ever. It carries around half a tonne and with the hyrdopneumatic suspension always compensates to allow for the same level ride, handling and comfort irrespective of being loaded or empty. It struggled ! Even with a 400 litre tank it was dangerously close to it's maximum weight capacity and although it drove ok it was putting considerable stress on the clutch, tyres and drivetrain to be used continuously at it's limit. It doesn't have any springs but a conventionally set up estate car would take a real hammering if you asked it to carry that much everyday. The pickup (Ranger in my case) can carry around 1,200 kg so at 500 kg isn't really stressed at all. This means that mechanical components, which seem to be rather over engineered, tend to be long lasting. The issue of operating wet is a very simple concept that refers to not having to worry about waterproofing anything. The pickup is designed to be open to the elements and any water collected in the tub simply runs out - try that in an estate car and any escaping water or indeed condensation means that the inside of the car resembles a greenhouse, the carpets stay damp and rot the floor from the inside out and it gets into the electrics. Add an additional safety point that the passengers are protected by two separate steel bulkheads and I know what I'd rather drive.
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With a crewcab all the tanks weight looks like it would all be over the back axle - is that ok? Whereas a van normally has the weight between the axles.
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Im all for them. :)
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Im all for them. :)
What Hawker boots and flat caps :P . Mike
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And pipe
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could i get a half decent one for 5 grand?i think they look great!
only thing that puts me off is no room for poles!
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lol more gypsy's drive transits than pickups :-)
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Thankfully now i dont look so much like a gypsy in my country attire and me truck . Mike
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Its defo my next vehicle, but im more swayed to the newer shape navara.
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Never seen one yet they dont have a great reputation as they have had loads of problems in the past time will tell . Mike
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Its defo my next vehicle, but im more swayed to the newer shape navara.
They had a dreadful habit of putting no3 conrod through the side of the block which is anything up to £5 grand and other issues too.
Apparently ok since 2010 and Renault's lack of involvement in the project with Nissan.
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could i get a half decent one for 5 grand?i think they look great!
only thing that puts me off is no room for poles!
Only the old shape Daz. Which look quite dated in comparison.
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M n M window cleaning you know these pickups very well I have also taken notice what others have said Basically that the pickup is the more durable workhorse designed to carry heavy awrkwad loads and water proof
Which pickup should we consider the l200 old shape or new shape to buy with cabin right ?
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Depends on your budget mate the new shape started back in 2006 so you could get one for about £6,000 with about 100,000 miles on the clock , Best to have a look on www.autotrader.co.uk but some dealerships will have trucks that have been part-exd .
I have practically zero knowledge when it comes to the engine, gearbox etc if buying second hand take a mate with you who knows his stuff , When i bought mine i did a fair bit of research on the L200 and asked a couple lads who owned or had owned them .
When i found my truck i was lucky it was 11 months old with 13,300 miles and i was happy with the price and my part-ex price , I will always but nearly new but that is me .
If you do buy one make sure it has a canopy on and the best ones are made by Alpha and the seals last far longer . Mike