Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: PoleKing on January 23, 2014, 01:15:31 pm
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I have a few lads sub for me.
One of them has just put his day rate up by 12%.
He is now 30% more than another lad and 100% more than another!
I'll post figures after I've had a few opinions but just wondered what you guys would charge me for a days work?
8-5 couple of tea breaks & lunch (bring your own)
Your van and c. 300-400 litres Upto 30ft.
When water runs out tradding inside.
Easy work really. One park up.
I'm not looking at £1,000 a day lads just ad hoc, extra days here & there, East Midlands, extra money on top of you finishing your round.
And I'm not looking to get anyone else, just seeing if these lads are worth what they're charging...
Day rates please...
(Without willy waving)
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If I needed work, £150-£200. Now, for those hours £300 and even then it would be more of a favour.
Actually, in truth I just wouldn't do it.
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Thanks for your honesty 8w.
I'd like a few opinions to gain an average out...
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Oh, and one park up means hard work surely? Poleing all day.
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for those hours £300 and even then it would be more of a favour.
Actually, in truth I just wouldn't do it.
What she said ;)
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Oh, and one park up means hard work surely? Poleing all day.
Not at all. Poling all day at less than 30ft.
Doesn't get easier IMO...
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If i was to go by my average hourly rate, for those hours £225
I dont do that many hours anyways ;D and im off to the airport
in a couple of hours,so there is no chance Dirty of you getting a
person of my quality on the cheap ;D
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I think it might be hard to get realistic/sensible/accurate figures here, just because most of us ( so I'm lead to believe ) run our own biz, so our day rates would be on par with your day rate with little room for your override
Not to willy wave but 8w is well below what I'd be asking for.
You have to weigh it up does the expensive guy do more work, is it good quality work ie no snags, does he shift out a good amount a day ? If so pay him, if not get shot.
Not sure what or how to pay a subby. Who supplied all his own WFP gear, water and van, maybe £120 per day + completion bonus (£30) or 35 to 40% or the days work
Darran
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I think it might be hard to get realistic/sensible/accurate figures here, just because most of us ( so I'm lead to believe ) run our own biz, so our day rates would be on par with your day rate with little room for your override
Not to willy wave but 8w is well below what I'd be asking for.
You have to weigh it up does the expensive guy do more work, is it good quality work ie no snags, does he shift out a good amount a day ? If so pay him, if not get shot.
Not sure what or how to pay a subby. Who supplied all his own WFP gear, water and van, maybe £120 per day + completion bonus (£30) or 35 to 40% or the days work
Darran
The most expensive guy is kind of the leader inside.
I pole, they do inside on a number of jobs.
I pay him more cause I trust him the most to point the other guys in the right direction and pick up any windows missed or anything like that.
I thought I paid well. Really well compared to some. It's just the extra 12% he's put his price up. Just gauging opinion.
Keep 'em coming.
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It's a tricky one, sometimes it's not all about money....
Darran
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I'm trad but I work to a day rate of £180 to £200 and happy at that ;D
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I suppose question is what would we pay?
£100 per day up to £120 depends if they want the work or no, if they have enough of there own and there busy enough then they will do there own work first
A Sub is generally someone who's doing what we haven't got time to do but have there own work but not quite enough
If it's what would I charge for myself I wouldn't
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I think it might be hard to get realistic/sensible/accurate figures here, just because most of us ( so I'm lead to believe ) run our own biz, so our day rates would be on par with your day rate with little room for your override
Not to willy wave but 8w is well below what I'd be asking for.
You have to weigh it up does the expensive guy do more work, is it good quality work ie no snags, does he shift out a good amount a day ? If so pay him, if not get shot.
Not sure what or how to pay a subby. Who supplied all his own WFP gear, water and van, maybe £120 per day + completion bonus (£30) or 35 to 40% or the days work
Darran
i would want at least 70% of the days work
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If you were paying a subby £150 a day I think that is very reasonable.
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Outstanding £150
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Outstanding £150
What do you mean 'outstanding'?
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I think it might be hard to get realistic/sensible/accurate figures here, just because most of us ( so I'm lead to believe ) run our own biz, so our day rates would be on par with your day rate with little room for your override
Not to willy wave but 8w is well below what I'd be asking for.
You have to weigh it up does the expensive guy do more work, is it good quality work ie no snags, does he shift out a good amount a day ? If so pay him, if not get shot.
Not sure what or how to pay a subby. Who supplied all his own WFP gear, water and van, maybe £120 per day + completion bonus (£30) or 35 to 40% or the days work
Darran
i would want at least 70% of the days work
That's the trade off from what we earn from our own work to what we would want from subbing ( why subby for less than I can generate from my own work ) but is it business sense to pay some one 70% for work I have sourced, organised, quoted and have to collect from etc..
People who "just" subby get given the work hassle free get paid regardless of weather the customer pays or not etc... So it's a fine line on what's right for both parties
Darran
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Outstanding £150
What do you mean 'outstanding'?
Outstanding. I guess. ;D
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I think it might be hard to get realistic/sensible/accurate figures here, just because most of us ( so I'm lead to believe ) run our own biz, so our day rates would be on par with your day rate with little room for your override
Not to willy wave but 8w is well below what I'd be asking for.
You have to weigh it up does the expensive guy do more work, is it good quality work ie no snags, does he shift out a good amount a day ? If so pay him, if not get shot.
Not sure what or how to pay a subby. Who supplied all his own WFP gear, water and van, maybe £120 per day + completion bonus (£30) or 35 to 40% or the days work
Darran
i would want at least 70% of the days work
That's the trade off from what we earn from our own work to what we would want from subbing ( why subby for less than I can generate from my own work ) but is it business sense to pay some one 70% for work I have sourced, organised, quoted and have to collect from etc..
People who "just" subby get given the work hassle free get paid regardless of weather the customer pays or not etc... So it's a fine line on what's right for both parties
Darran
I don't think he was serious bud.
Unless splitting 70/30-30 going to subby.
I don't work like that. I only pay day rate.
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as a self employed W/C averaging a £220 a day i would want the same as i can earn from my work
if i did not have a round but was given say 3 days a week i would probably subby for £150.- £180.00 depending on travelling etc
I think, in my opinion, the whole point of subbying etc is to make a profit from the subby, so if his pricing high and getting close to the point were there is very little profit then look for a cheaper subby, the profit margin determines his value to you
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as a self employed W/C averaging a £220 a day i would want the same as i can earn from my work
if i did not have a round but was given say 3 days a week i would probably subby for £150.- £180.00 depending on travelling etc
I think, in my opinion, the whole point of subbying etc is to make a profit from the subby, so if his pricing high and getting close to the point were there is very little profit then look for a cheaper subby, the profit margin determines his value to you
This is the problem.
So, CIUers, we're looking at £120-£150 a day?
£200 at a push?
As a rough average...?
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I know of 2 local firms who pay their subbys 75% but that includes all collections (bar on-line)..
If they are cleaning and collecting subbys are running a 'micro business' for you.
They in turn can employ anyone they wish to help out / the more the merrier.
Any new customers 'belong' to the firm but 100% of first clean goes to the subby wc.
I get the impression your man is a leader, if that's the case he's probably worth the extra £10 at this time of year.
£90 + 12% = £100
And you've got a bargain on the other two.
Regards
Glenn
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£100
£70
£50
Just a guess!! but the maths add up.
Hope they're not on this forum.
;D ;D ;D ;D
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No, they're not on the forum.
Money-nope.
£100, trad only. (Works like a trooper)
£150, for 400 litre guy (good poler, slow trad)
£200, for 300 litre guy but a leader. (Reasonable pole, reasonable trad-leader)
Work is all within 1/2 hour.
£200 guy used to be £175.
He's making more a day on his own round so thought he could put up his day rate to reflect that.
I thought the money was fair...
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I'm sure I read earlier in this string that your subbys provide - van, water and everything else bar the customers - if that's the case (without me having to re read the whole lot) then IMHO you are, if not at the top, very near to the summit of the pay scale.
BUT!! if they are good, honest and your custies don't hate them...
Not sure where you can go from here tho. One more pay rise mebbe breaks the bank.
Kind regards
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If you were paying a subby £150 a day I think that is very reasonable.
Certainly better than the offerings of £7 an hour from some on here.
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I'm sure I read earlier in this string that your subbys provide - van, water and everything else bar the customers - if that's the case (without me having to re read the whole lot) then IMHO you are, if not at the top, very near to the summit of the pay scale.
BUT!! if they are good, honest and your custies don't hate them...
Not sure where you can go from here tho. One more pay rise mebbe breaks the bank.
Kind regards
It's commercial, they never have to deal with the customer.
Turn up, clean, home.
I wasn't looking to get rid, just seeing what the 'going rate' is.
The thing is that I trust them.
Like someone said, that is more important than the extra few quid.
As an aggregate it's £150 a day so not bad money IMO.
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I think it might be hard to get realistic/sensible/accurate figures here, just because most of us ( so I'm lead to believe ) run our own biz, so our day rates would be on par with your day rate with little room for your override
Not to willy wave but 8w is well below what I'd be asking for.
You have to weigh it up does the expensive guy do more work, is it good quality work ie no snags, does he shift out a good amount a day ? If so pay him, if not get shot.
Not sure what or how to pay a subby. Who supplied all his own WFP gear, water and van, maybe £120 per day + completion bonus (£30) or 35 to 40% or the days work
Darran
i would want at least 70% of the days work
That's the trade off from what we earn from our own work to what we would want from subbing ( why subby for less than I can generate from my own work ) but is it business sense to pay some one 70% for work I have sourced, organised, quoted and have to collect from etc..
People who "just" subby get given the work hassle free get paid regardless of weather the customer pays or not etc... So it's a fine line on what's right for both parties
Darran
I don't think he was serious bud.
Unless splitting 70/30-30 going to subby.
I don't work like that. I only pay day rate.
whats your day rate
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I would be willing to pay a subby £120 - £150 a day depending on equipment and experience.
All they have to do is turn up and clean - no hassle etc...
Andy
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I think it might be hard to get realistic/sensible/accurate figures here, just because most of us ( so I'm lead to believe ) run our own biz, so our day rates would be on par with your day rate with little room for your override
Not to willy wave but 8w is well below what I'd be asking for.
You have to weigh it up does the expensive guy do more work, is it good quality work ie no snags, does he shift out a good amount a day ? If so pay him, if not get shot.
Not sure what or how to pay a subby. Who supplied all his own WFP gear, water and van, maybe £120 per day + completion bonus (£30) or 35 to 40% or the days work
Darran
i would want at least 70% of the days work
That's the trade off from what we earn from our own work to what we would want from subbing ( why subby for less than I can generate from my own work ) but is it business sense to pay some one 70% for work I have sourced, organised, quoted and have to collect from etc..
People who "just" subby get given the work hassle free get paid regardless of weather the customer pays or not etc... So it's a fine line on what's right for both parties
Darran
I don't think he was serious bud.
Unless splitting 70/30-30 going to subby.
I don't work like that. I only pay day rate.
whats your day rate
I don't work for anyone anymore so haven't got one.
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I would be willing to pay a subby £120 - £150 a day depending on equipment and experience.
All they have to do is turn up and clean - no hassle etc...
Andy
Do you sub anyone now bud?
Do you pay £150?
How have you found the lads work for that money?
Problem is (I've found) that a lot of guys (not just on here) say, 'i wouldn't bother for less than £300 a day' or whatever but then there's my bit to go on top which gets slimmer as the sub rate goes up...
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I do min 120 a day plus diesel cost if doing sub work which is what im happy to earn as a hassle free 120 in your pocket
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Depending on the traveling and aggro factor. Between £150 and £180.00 per day Inc travel time.
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I subbed some work out to Steve C who comes on here.
I paid him £27.50 a day. He wasn't really worth more than that. I think after I paid him I made a tenner out of the day. 8)
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its not easy ,but if your making 25% then that's about average.if your getting no complaints and no one is nicking your jobs and you trust the guys ,then your doing ok.
I had a subby I was paying over 2k a month to and it didn't stop him being underhand.
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its not easy ,but if your making 25% then that's about average.if your getting no complaints and no one is nicking your jobs and you trust the guys ,then your doing ok.
I had a subby I was paying over 2k a month to and it didn't stop him being underhand.
There's potential for anyone to screw anyone over no matter how much they're being paid.
Money is like drinking sea water. The more you have, the more you want.
No, 2 of the lads I absolutely trust 100%, implicitly. The third-not far behind.
My best mate stabbed me in the back, he tried to do a massive amount of damage, last year. (He didn't succeed at anything but ruining himself, but the intent/malice was there) So I am always wary now. (Perhaps a bit jaded but contented)
Seems like I'm toward the upper end of the scale then. Paying about the median of quoted day rates but making a lot more than 25% out of the lads.
Quite pleased with that.