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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: JSMC on January 20, 2014, 02:02:55 pm

Title: sole trader to having someone part time with you. whats the rules?
Post by: JSMC on January 20, 2014, 02:02:55 pm
Can anyone tell me what needs to be done if you go down this route. I know in scotland our licence has to change. Also your PLI etc must change but i am more concerned with   how you pay etc n rules / regs....
Title: Re: sole trader to having someone part time with you. whats the rules?
Post by: Smudger on January 20, 2014, 05:59:18 pm
Same as if you were a limited company

You pay their wages, take off tax and NI, pay tax man plus your contributions
Sort out holiday entitlement, sick pay, employment contract, plus anything else I have forgotten...

Darran
Title: Re: sole trader to having someone part time with you. whats the rules?
Post by: JSMC on January 21, 2014, 09:36:25 pm
can you give a payment if just sub contracting ?
Title: Re: sole trader to having someone part time with you. whats the rules?
Post by: Smudger on January 22, 2014, 10:53:25 am
You will need to read the HMRC guidelines on that, but if it's part time and ad hoc ie no set hours or days then yes pay as a subby get a receipt - if they fail to declare that's their problem not yours

Darran
Title: Re: sole trader to having someone part time with you. whats the rules?
Post by: Ian Lancaster on January 22, 2014, 03:53:11 pm
As Smudger says, but I'd insist on him giving me a proper invoice detailing work done, fees charged etc.  If he's sub-contracting from you he should be able to provide a bona fide invoice with his name, address etc.
Title: Re: sole trader to having someone part time with you. whats the rules?
Post by: Clever Forum Name on January 23, 2014, 07:41:13 am
So what happens if you pay someone cash and they tell you are self employed and not?

What's the best way to avoid being stung?

Get an invoice from them to state they have been paid wages?

On bigger jobs in the past we have done that.

But was thinking of helping a mate who is desperate for work.

He is self employed. So should I still ask for an invoice per day?
Title: Re: sole trader to having someone part time with you. whats the rules?
Post by: PoleKing on January 23, 2014, 08:44:27 am
So what happens if you pay someone cash and they tell you are self employed and not?

What's the best way to avoid being stung?

Get an invoice from them to state they have been paid wages?

On bigger jobs in the past we have done that.

But was thinking of helping a mate who is desperate for work.

He is self employed. So should I still ask for an invoice per day?

Yeah, an invoice from him will be good.
Tell him you need it so you don't pay tax on money you've paid out.
Mate did a but for me, not aggy but he looked a little like I didn't trust him. So I just said above.
Title: Re: sole trader to having someone part time with you. whats the rules?
Post by: andyM on January 23, 2014, 08:49:15 am
I used to sub-contract for someone years ago in another trade.
I was told to invoice him after every week I worked for him detailing my hours as that was the instruction from his accountant.
Title: Re: sole trader to having someone part time with you. whats the rules?
Post by: Clever Forum Name on January 23, 2014, 10:51:05 am
On jobs we get invoices. But one person could be there all day.

But this is more adhoc so do not want to get stung.

Thanks.
Title: Re: sole trader to having someone part time with you. whats the rules?
Post by: andrew wakeman on January 27, 2014, 11:13:00 pm
Bung him cash on the hip and lets face it no one will know.
Title: Re: sole trader to having someone part time with you. whats the rules?
Post by: easy clean on January 28, 2014, 09:52:47 am
Anybody that gives you an invoice for work, make sure it has their UTR number on it. No problems that way  ;)
Title: Re: sole trader to having someone part time with you. whats the rules?
Post by: trevor povey on January 28, 2014, 05:39:48 pm
 you can set on a part time worker can and they can earn upto 140.00 per week without you having to pay tax/ ni on  as long as theyve got no other form of income...
Title: Re: sole trader to having someone part time with you. whats the rules?
Post by: p1w1 on January 28, 2014, 07:39:23 pm
Anybody that gives you an invoice for work, make sure it has their UTR number on it. No problems that way  ;)
What's a utr number ? Is it a tax reference number or something
Title: Re: sole trader to having someone part time with you. whats the rules?
Post by: easy clean on January 28, 2014, 07:40:28 pm
Unique tax reference number
Title: Re: sole trader to having someone part time with you. whats the rules?
Post by: robertphil on January 28, 2014, 10:16:19 pm
do it right, employ him on the books .