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UK General Cleaning Forum => General Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: chris scott on January 10, 2014, 07:57:50 pm
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Any body interested in learning about algoclear/mossgo soft washing?
I am thinking about organising a training day...to cover,application methods, environmental impact,time frames ,mix ratios etc.
Cost will be around £45 to include (a decent) dinner and registered contractor certificate along with website listing.
Thinking about west Lancashire, On a saturday towards the end of january early february .
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Ha ha nice one chris I nearly fell for it. ;D
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Ha ha nice one chris I nearly fell for it. ;D
What did you nearly fall for?
Maybe you should come... learn about roof anchors and fall arrest systems.
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I'll come along if I can sit next to Kevin ;D if only my sat nav had maps north of London
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I'll come along if I can sit next to Kevin ;D if only my sat nav had maps north of London
We have a local ford dealer ;D
In fact there are plenty of dealers in Liverpool.
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The dope would be at the front ???
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I would be interested.,
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ok ...thats 3 of us.
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yes I would be interested as I am a bit sceptical and would be gratefull of all the info I can to convince me
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4... of us were getting there .
What bits are you unsure of Trevor? Maybe i could give you an insight before you spend your £45.... and your day?
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Bit far for me.. But it does sound interesting.
Who is providing the certificate? is it worth the paper its printed on? Does it have your autograph on it Chris?
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I take it its a training for cleaning krend etc. Do you get much work soft washing Chris?
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Ha ha nice one chris I nearly fell for it. ;D
What did you nearly fall for?
Maybe you should come... learn about roof anchors and fall arrest systems.
Maybe you should teach 'Mossgo' and 'algo clear'.. basic working at height regs, almost all of their photos fail basic regs ;D ::)roll Luv the pic of the guy standing onto of the skylight .. quality ;D
Whats happened to Mossgo site .. as its go ne
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Bit far for me.. But it does sound interesting.
Who is providing the certificate? is it worth the paper its printed on? Does it have your autograph on it Chris?
I can autograph your one!
The manufacturer is issueing the cert and doing the training...not me.
No its not worth the paper it's written on...lead generation for approved contractors is worth it.
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Ha ha nice one chris I nearly fell for it. ;D
What did you nearly fall for?
Maybe you should come... learn about roof anchors and fall arrest systems.
Maybe you should teach 'Mossgo' and 'algo clear'.. basic working at height regs, almost all of their photos fail basic regs ;D ::)roll Luv the pic of the guy standing onto of the skylight .. quality ;D
Whats happened to Mossgo site .. as its go ne
Brussels say all reference to "moss " killing products are basically to be removed from the market. So shortly the homeowner will not be able to purchase a product from anywhere that says on the label .. "killing moss" etc
Hence the name change....you will learn all about this when you show up ;D
The sites full of "dodgy " stood on roof pics...this is all changing. Hence the look into safe ways for application etc.
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4... of us were getting there .
What bits are you unsure of Trevor? Maybe i could give you an insight before you spend your £45.... and your day?
mainly just its effectiveness on different surfaces and what sort of thickness of moss it can reliably deal with along with expected time before results are seen. Subject was covered a bit at the building cleaning academy but cant say I was convinced by what was shown on the day
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I take it its a training for cleaning krend etc. Do you get much work soft washing Chris?
Not necessarily for k-rend but it is one application. Work is starting to pick up for soft washing the more i look for it..
How else would you clean this...cockle shell render.
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4... of us were getting there .
What bits are you unsure of Trevor? Maybe i could give you an insight before you spend your £45.... and your day?
mainly just its effectiveness on different surfaces and what sort of thickness of moss it can reliably deal with along with expected time before results are seen. Subject was covered a bit at the building cleaning academy but cant say I was convinced by what was shown on the day
Heavy deposits definitely need to be removed...otherwise if not completely saturated regrowth occur .Moss is a bit like a sponge.When a sponge is dry it repels water. When damp it accepts liquid to the point of saturation. There are too many variables in between .
Best remove the heavy stuff and be left with the root system and apply the quats to that. It then becomes very effective.
Time scales vary on the surface and type of algae /moss colonization. Algae covered cladding,sandstone building 12/24hrs.
It is not the answer to every situation but i believe there are many ways to clean some more effective than others.
Hitting oxidised cladding with 3000psi will do very little...soap and a brush is better.The render in the picture needs careful consideration as even soft brushing you end up with a pile of shells at you feet! Similary I think 3000psi and a flat surface cleaner is the way to go for block paving...you would be wasting with quats (although it would clean it)
I also think there is a lot of milage as a general maintenance product after an initial clean up...spray and walk away.
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I still don't see any real mileage with soft washings a roof - UK market, without the hard sell.
Majority of customers are after instant results, Out of all the roofs we cleaned last year only 2 were suitable for soft wash. By using this method we lost out on the profit, plus initial results ltd as an op hated it as far less rewarding than p washing. We would of earned far more by using p washing method plus option to upsell coatings etc.
It gives another method for cleaning renderings but thats it, as far as I can see.
As for the Mossgo 'label' they have tried to push it to contractors, yet as you have said their site was full of 'dodgy ' roof pics, anyone who is serious about HS can see that, by HS I dont mean the usual red tape crap we have to deal with.... Real simple basic fundamental Safety.
This post confuses me... If its not you providing the training.... Why are you plugging it and not the manufacturer ???
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I was just talking to the manufacturer about training in general. I thought local/regional training was better as the cost can be kept to a min. People don't need to travel long distances and stay in hotels etc.
We spoke about group sizes..large groups pay well but something gets lost in the presentation.
So for anybody that might find it interesting( soft washing)... £45 is affordable to everybody,travelling expenses will not amount to much,and the quality of the coarse due to the small groups should be good.
If you do the maths there is no money to be made 6/8 attendees at about £45 =£270 just enough to hire the venue, travel/accom for the presenter and dinner.
If it turns out I can run it for £20 I will!
I just thought if there was enough interest ...i would arrange something. I like courses ...you always learn something ,even if you know everything like me ;D
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I'd be up for the course just for a bit of knowledge i don't do pressure washing etc but my stepdad doe's and it would be good to see how to kill moss etc i got asked about a roof ages ago and never took it up and for £45 for good intro and a bit of know how I'M IN :)
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I was just talking to the manufacturer about training in general. I thought local/regional training was better as the cost can be kept to a min. People don't need to travel long distances and stay in hotels etc.
We spoke about group sizes..large groups pay well but something gets lost in the presentation.
So for anybody that might find it interesting( soft washing)... £45 is affordable to everybody,travelling expenses will not amount to much,and the quality of the coarse due to the small groups should be good.
If you do the maths there is no money to be made 6/8 attendees at about £45 =£270 just enough to hire the venue, travel/accom for the presenter and dinner.
If it turns out I can run it for £20 I will!
I just thought if there was enough interest ...i would arrange something. I like courses ...you always learn something ,even if you know everything like me ;D
In that case why not :) promise not to ask too many q's ;D
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I would be up for the day, let us know if it is going to happen.
Thanks b
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I'd be interested Chris
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Chris , looks like you have enough interest. If there is any chance it can run on a Saturday then count me in. Nice talking to you the other night. Got your tshiirt clean yet ? Ed
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Ok... slight change of date due to building usage.
The date will be 22nd of february 2014
Rufford lancashire 10 am
Cost £40 per person Including dinner and certificate.
To book Tel 01628 687 022 or info@algoclear.com
Could do with questions about what interests you so we can tailor the coarse that way...some it might be application methods,others equipment, working at height and safety equip.
You tell me... what you want.
I can arrange accommodation ....anything from a tent in the park.......... to 5* with late night visiting thai entertainment ;D
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All of the Above :)
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All of the Above :)
Including the Thai 5* with happy ending?
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No Thanks haha just the learning bits is what i meant :)
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;D
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Put my name down Chris mate.
;D
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Put my name down Chris mate.
;D
To book Tel 01628 687 022 or info@algoclear.com .
Francois is dealing with the bookings so he knows exactly how many people are coming, any specific requirements on coarse content,preparation of certification etc.
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Think I'll call and book a space tomorrow, it there are any left?
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Yep I think there are about 5/6 of us up to now.
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Chris
I don't get this! Earlier in the post you said if the group got too large it would affect the delivery of the course which I understand. Trying to run a course at that price in a day with lunch included would indicate to me that either the instructor is salaried from the manufacturers or it is a sales course. I may be wrong but I know I could not run a course like that for even double that cost and coverinstructor , eelectricity, gas, water, rates, rent, lunch and refreshments.
Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics Ltd
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Kevin
I can do this coarse ( ;D ) for this price because of the following:
The instructor is the manufacturer /distributor. So I incur no cost other than his acc /travel.
I have been given the venue for a small donation ...due to services rendered to the owner in the past.
The pub next door will do me a decent dinner for £15.
It,s not profit making.
We will have to make our own tea ;D.
It more just to try and promote different types of cleaning methods and products for anybody that is interested... a bit of a social also.
I suppose it could be "classed" as sales course ...as there is only one product...algoclear/mossgo.
I just think that people seeing "soft" wash equipment and a different way of doing things they might be inspired somehow. Maybe people will integrate the methods and techniques into the own business with other chemicals.
There will definatly no pressure to buy anything....
To book Tel 01628 687 022 or info@algoclear.com .
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Too far for me. I dont like coming south of the border unless im being paid.
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Too far for me. I dont like coming south of the border unless im being paid.
Once you go independent, that wall is going to be made huge ;D
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Too far for me. I dont like coming south of the border unless im being paid.
Once you go independent, that wall is going to be made huge ;D
And you'll need a passport Matt ;D
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Kevin
I can do this coarse ( ;D ) for this price because of the following:
The instructor is the manufacturer /distributor. So I incur no cost other than his acc /travel.
I have been given the venue for a small donation ...due to services rendered to the owner in the past.
The pub next door will do me a decent dinner for £15.
It,s not profit making.
We will have to make our own tea ;D.
It more just to try and promote different types of cleaning methods and products for anybody that is interested... a bit of a social also.
I suppose it could be "classed" as sales course ...as there is only one product...algoclear/mossgo.
I just think that people seeing "soft" wash equipment and a different way of doing things they might be inspired somehow. Maybe people will integrate the methods and techniques into the own business with other chemicals.
There will definatly no pressure to buy anything....
To book Tel 01628 687 022 or info@algoclear.com .
OK so it is as I said in my post! " The manufacturer is running it therefore all the costs are absorbed."
Now! You say "you can afford to run it" Does that mean you are administrating it or teaching it?
You also mention that you may make my tea! I am seriously considering coming although that particular week I am in Prague until late Friday Night and flying back into Manchester so the location would not be too far I just need to take two cars to Manchester instead of one.
Do you think it would be worth me coming? I do love courses ;D ;D ;D
Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics Ltd
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I am not doing anything other than generating interest and making tea.
Come along if you feel it would interest you....you would be more than welcome. Manchester airport is about 40mins away.
You can book a room here for friday night... it's five mins from the venue. http://www.ruffordarms.com/
To book Tel 01628 687 022 or info@algoclear.com .
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Chris
I emailed and got no reply ???
darran@purple-rhino.co.uk
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I'll get him to phone you...sorry!
Darran ....Your new website is looking good.
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I am not doing anything other than generating interest and making tea.
Come along if you feel it would interest you....you would be more than welcome. Manchester airport is about 40mins away.
You can book a room here for friday night... it's five mins from the venue. http://www.ruffordarms.com/
To book Tel 01628 687 022 or info@algoclear.com .
Chris
Just checked this and their latest check in is 9pm. I don't land until 9.30pm then got to do the normal like go through customs, collect bags and then go and get car so earliest I can see me getting there is 11.30pm. Is there a hotel a bit bigger in easy reach of the venue? How far is Southport?
Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics Ltd
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Southport is rough...hotel wise. I would stay at a hote near the airportf and make your way over in the morning.
Try here http://www.laterooms.com/en/k16837599_manchester-airport-hotels.aspx
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Southport is rough...hotel wise. I would stay at a hote near the airportf and make your way over in the morning.
Try here http://www.laterooms.com/en/k16837599_manchester-airport-hotels.aspx
Chris
This looks OK! 7.8miles away
Holiday Inn Express Preston - South
3 stars
Reedfield Place, Preston, England, PR5 8AA, United Kingdom,
Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics Ltd
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You would not take your misses or boyfriend there for a holiday ...but the holiday Inn chain are generally ok. Let me know and i will have a run over and check it is suitable/clean for you.
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You would not take your misses or boyfriend there for a holiday ...but the holiday Inn chain are generally ok. Let me know and i will have a run over and check it is suitable/clean for you.
No its OK Chris but thanks for the kind offer. It has 80 Reviews 56 of them outstanding 20 Saying great and the usual 4 moaners. I am also a member of the IHG so they won't get it wrong and I usually get an upgrade anyway.
Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics Ltd
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chris, i sent email to book my place last week but not heard back
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I e mailed them and got a confirmation straight away nsaying they would be in touch closer to the course
Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics Ltd
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chris, i sent email to book my place last week but not heard back
I will sort it out for you in the morning...sorry about that.
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chris, i sent email to book my place last week but not heard back
I will sort it out for you in the morning...sorry about that.
I like Twinings Everyday Tea with a splash of Semi Skimmed Milk and one canderel. I like porcelain mugs not earthenware best served with a smile and two Rich Tea Biscuits. You have just over 3 weeks to hone your skills Mr Scott ;D
Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics Ltd
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I only drink An Yanshi tea sweetend with a little forest honey ,taken from Crown Derby
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I only drink An Yanshi tea from Crown Derby
Chris
Not interested in what you drink mate! Only telling you my requirements because Ithought you were the Chief Cook and Bottle Washer ;D
Anyone who drinks An Yanshi needs help don't they? £22K a pound and made using Panda Poo as a fertilizer Ugh!
Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics Ltd
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chris, i sent email to book my place last week but not heard back
I will sort it out for you in the morning...sorry about that.
Still not heard anything back Chris should i just turn up anyway and bring my money on the day
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You can.... but i will get Fracois to phone you monday.
Are these your details?
Trevor perry
TEL 01772 254 899
MOBILE 07793322100
FAX 01772 254499
EMAIL info@perrycleaning.co.uk
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You can.... but i will get Fracois to phone you monday.
Thanks Chris, just aswell as i have just realized i have not got the address of the venue ???
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Here you go https://plus.google.com/101080489652095133586/about?gl=uk&hl=en
Booked the local hall ,it has safe secure carparking,ample seating and no bar (to prevent things going down hill ;D)
Pub for lunch is 100 yards away https://plus.google.com/100718244001763101112/about?gl=uk&hl=en It 's well above average "pub grub".
If you feel you need to relax before hand "M clean Rob" recomended this place http://www.southportthaimassage.co.uk/ Have not been myself so cannot comment ;D
Hotel is here http://www.ruffordarms.com/
Date is saturday 22nd feb 2014.
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Rob ;D
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You can.... but i will get Fracois to phone you monday.
Are these your details?
Trevor perry
TEL 01772 254 899
MOBILE 07793322100
FAX 01772 254499
EMAIL info@perrycleaning.co.uk
yes they are my details best to catch me on mobile number
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Chris
Are we going to get confirmation on Monday because I need to get some stuff organised?
Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics Ltd
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I can confirm now....organise what ever you need to organise.
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are there places still available for the course???
Lee G
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are there places still available for the course???
Lee G
Yep
The date will be 22nd of february 2014
Rufford lancashire 10 am
Cost £40 per person Including dinner and certificate.
To book Tel 01628 687 022 or info@algoclear.com
Could do with questions about what interests you so we can tailor the coarse that way...some it might be application methods,others equipment, working at height and safety equip.
You tell me... what you want.
I can arrange accommodation ....anything from a tent in the park.......... to 5* with late night visiting thai entertainment Grin
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I can confirm now....organise what ever you need to organise.
OK
Thanks for that I will book an extra car into Manchester Airport tomorrow and book the hotel. How do we pay for the course?
Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics ltd
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Please pay here
Tel 01628 687 022 or info@algoclear.com
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Please pay here
Tel 01628 687 022 or info@algoclear.com
Chris
What do you mean ring them with a card? Pay on the day?
Can you be a little more specific?
Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics ltd
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Kevin, I am looking to go on this day too. I live v close to Mcr Airport and could give you a lift if your stuck.
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What ever suits you. Pay by card over the phone ...or give me cash on the day ;D ;D ;D
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What ever suits you. Pay by card over the phone ...or give me cash on the day ;D ;D ;D
Chris
OK I will give you cash on the day
Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics Ltd
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Kevin, I am looking to go on this day too. I live v close to Mcr Airport and could give you a lift if your stuck.
Tom
Thank you for the kind offer but I am in Prague the wen before and don't get back until midnight ish on the Friday night before so I am going to get my friends to drop my wife in Solihull and I am going to stay.
Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics Ltd
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What ever suits you. Pay by card over the phone ...or give me cash on the day ;D ;D ;D
Chris
Got to go now!
Can you text me address for the course to my mobile 07770 598855 I have booked an extra car into the Airport and that Holiday Inn Hotel but I won't get to the hotel until gone midnight. What time does the course start? C U Saturday ::)roll
Kev
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We will start at 10am ...give people time to travel
Flash La, Ormskirk L40 1SW My number is 07973216502 if you get stuck.
If i text you my boyfriend will get jealous xxx
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hi chris
Do you know what the course will include yet?
Some of the suggestions you put above about application methods, working at height and safety equipment sounds good if they could be included.
Some of the time doing courses they don't include anything about risk assessments or do a very basic level 1 standard so if it could include something along them lines such as cleaning roofs using the equipment off towers, cherry pickers or working off roof ladders and the safety equipment that includes would be of interest.
How would I go about booking and paying, would I just email them at info@algoclear.com?
Thanks
Ashley
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Although the coarse will include some safety/risk assesments etc. Each form of access presents it's own sets of risk and qualifications to operate/erect.
I would advise you to go and do a separate coarse on working off cherry pickers etc ,working at height etc.
There is no way everything could be covered in "our" course. Nor are we qualified to instruct in such fields .
Just email them at info@algoclear.com to book.
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Hi Chris
sorry yes I did mean to put that I understood not all of it would be covered just the equipment used for that job. Such as using a long pole and spraying the roof would require the area to be sheeted on the floor and any risks that the chemicals may pose to animals or next doors flower bed!
It would just a few of the courses I have attended they included almost no safety aspect to the course and as this course would be dealing with roof cleaning it would be quite a good part to it. We all know there are many cow boys out there cleaning roofs with little or no training and no safety equipment.
I will email them now to see about a place
Thanks
Ashley
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We all know there are many cow boys out there cleaning roofs with little or no training and no safety equipment.
Chris ??? ;D ;D
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Thats me ..no training on roof cleaning . I race dirt bikes and Kitesurf...write a risk assessment on that.
I also patched up the internals of a nuclear reactor with concrete...otherwise It was going to be decommissioned.
I signed an official secrets act about that.
Let me say that the water that southern England is experiencing is really the least of their problems !!
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Thats me ..no training on roof cleaning . I race dirt bikes and Kitesurf...write a risk assessment on that.
I also patched up the internals of a nuclear reactor with concrete...otherwise It was going to be decommissioned.
I signed an official secrets act about that.
Let me say that the water that southern England is experiencing is really the least of their problems !!
dawww give us a kiss ;D
Why dont you invite Rob Hall along, then you can increase ticket sales plus upgrade venue ... can I have a seat on the front row
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;D ;D
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Thats me ..no training on roof cleaning . I race dirt bikes and Kitesurf...write a risk assessment on that.
I also patched up the internals of a nuclear reactor with concrete...otherwise It was going to be decommissioned.
I signed an official secrets act about that.
Let me say that the water that southern England is experiencing is really the least of their problems !!
"Let me say that the water that southern England is experiencing is really the least of their problems !!
Really Chris tell all mate, from someone that has lived it this week.
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Roger - no idea why that comment may have pi 55 ed you off ::)roll somewhat inconsiderate given your circumstances. How is the tide doing ?
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Roger - no idea why that comment may have pi 55 ed you off ::)roll somewhat inconsiderate given your circumstances. How is the tide doing ?
Carl without hi-jacking this thread to much , floods are abating at the moment, back fields are going down very quickly, but coming out somewhere else I guess, roads are beginning to be pumped clear so home -owners can get back into their properties to start clean up. Hopefully we have got away without being flooded, but let me tell you watching the flood water move closer to your house at 10-15 metres per hour is no fun.
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Thats me ..no training on roof cleaning . I race dirt bikes and Kitesurf...write a risk assessment on that.
I also patched up the internals of a nuclear reactor with concrete...otherwise It was going to be decommissioned.
I signed an official secrets act about that.
Let me say that the water that southern England is experiencing is really the least of their problems !!
"Let me say that the water that southern England is experiencing is really the least of their problems !!
Really Chris tell all mate, from someone that has lived it this week.
I apologise roger..It was a bit of di==khead statement given your circumstances. Glad to hear the water level is dropping. .
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I have to say I thought this whole topic was a wind up!!
Rob ;D
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I have to say I thought this whole topic was a wind up!!
Rob ;D
Why?
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Was the course any good ?
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Didnt you go Chris? I thought you organised it? ..
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What and make tea all day .... I went and got my nails done instead.
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Yes i enjoyed the fish and chips thought you would of been there Chris :)
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Chris
Good course. Thanks to you and Francois very informative and a great bunch of guys as well.
Kev Martin
Marblelife Ltd
Tiling Logistics Ltd
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I learnt a fair bit Chris, thanks for organising it. Let's hope none of us fall off!
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Gotta say emailed Francois twice since course not a reply :(
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Gotta say emailed Francois twice since course not a reply :(
I think he is away ..I have been trying to get hold of him too.
It;s not like him ..he is usually on the ball. Anything I can help you with?
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Gotta say emailed Francois twice since course not a reply :(
I think he is away ..I have been trying to get hold of him too.
It;s not like him ..he is usually on the ball. Anything I can help you with?
Chris
I am glad you asked because I have been trying to get hold of Francois as well.
I was going over my course notes last night in bed and have to admit after reading them through several times since the course that I am now I am beginning to understand the development and growth theories better! Anyway it occurred to me that given that some algae becomes parasitic and by definition a heterotroph it got me thinking that this type of algae would bloom and develop faster after something like a housefire because it thrives on carbon? What do you think?
Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics Ltd
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Most things on this planet are heterotrophic....and i understand what you are saying ,it seems plausable. Given that mosses/algae grow were the conditions are idea ie damp/shaded areas.You would take it that it would follow suit...ie a higher Carbon content.
Saying that tho' We should have rainforests at the side of the motorways.
What we do have is the biologist Dr Pamela E Simpson...we shall ask her...when we recover the missing Frenchman
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What we do have is the biologist Dr Pamela E Simpson...we shall ask her...when we recover the missing Frenchman
Perhaps they are both in the shed with your other mate ;D
Kev
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My mate makes a very good coating remover and a quartz polish...in his shed
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My mate makes a very good coating remover and a quartz polish...in his shed
Got any pictures of Dr Pamela??? She may be able to take my mind off Algae & Moss tonight :P :P
Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics
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My mate makes a very good coating remover and a quartz polish...in his shed
Got any pictures of Dr Pamela??? She may be able to take my mind off Algae & Moss tonight :P :P
Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics
You have mail...I hope it helps you sleep ;D
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My mate makes a very good coating remover and a quartz polish...in his shed
Got any pictures of Dr Pamela??? She may be able to take my mind off Algae & Moss tonight :P :P
Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics
You have mail...I hope it helps you sleep ;D
Chris
Cheers I'll stick with the Moss and Algae notes :o ;D
Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics
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Chris booked our 1st job in and need to order soon what is best number as there is 2 and how long is delivery usually Mate ?
Cheers Phil.
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01628 687 022
info @ roofclean.co.uk
Should get it within a couple of days...or next day if you specify.
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Cheers mate do you always do 1/50 mix and get results or is it best go stronger ?
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1/35 gives the best allround results...allows for crap weather and speeds the job up a bit.