Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: tom20001 on January 07, 2014, 03:24:43 pm
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as title says just home from 1st day getting paid wfp
arms lot more tired than usual! but enjoyed it and initially i thought people might have frowned upon this method i think it might well work out to be the opposite. I think people are interested in it, neighbour passers by etc and i think sooner or later they will try it themselves and become customers....i could be wrong but thats my perception from today :)
on the down side im using way too much water trying to get job perfect, taking way too long trying to get job right( longer than i was trad in some cases) but thats to be expected for a beginner. Despite some quality issues while i was practicing over the last week i think i might be after getting the hang of it now ie.... drips are the devil :)
if any1 else starting or looking to improve their technique i found videos on youtube under the title futureofcleaning.com very helpful and explains the concept of wfp clearly as well which i think is important
fingers crossed no cal backs from today!!!!!!!! :)
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It will come quick enough, you will get faster and faster, and end up why you didn't change sooner! ;D
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Imo first cleans should take longer than trad but you reap the benefits from then onwards ;D
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Nice one , easier than tradding in this weather with the dampness and overcast
Good luck , get some good advice on here and the window-tools-com forum
Keep it up
Arms be ok after a few weeks
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There will be a time soon where you begrudge taking a ladder off to do a balcony or etc. ;D ;D
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There will be a time soon where you begrudge taking a ladder off to do a balcony or etc. ;D ;D
thanks lads for all the kind words :)
still going round like a paranoid lunatic looking for spotting tho, id hate to lose good custies becoz of teething problems changing over
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I always give a quick check even now after cleaning specially first cleans just to make sure pick the odd window at random. Although there not 100% dry you will get to know if they will dry good or not by experience.
And on those summer days the windows will more than likely be dry before you leave anyway :)
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what flow rate do you guys use?
i was using 22...... scrub frames leave for few mins, come back scrub glass up and down twice, then rinsing with brush on the glass in side to side motion down the window, then rinsing slowly with brush off glass but im noticing some small spotting on my own house still :(
help
arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
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what flow rate do you guys use?
i was using 22...... scrub frames leave for few mins, come back scrub glass up and down twice, then rinsing with brush on the glass in side to side motion down the window, then rinsing slowly with brush off glass but im noticing some small spotting on my own house still :(
help
arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Would you say the spotting on your own house was worse than the odd smear you used to leave? ;D
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Would you say the spotting on your own house was worse than the odd smear you used to leave? ;D
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i would mate :(
its wee little spots all over the window i done this morn, i dont get it..water is perfect . i spent time on it and rinsed it well ???
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I found wen I changed over normaly on the first and second clean light spotting in places but im sure your aware one they have had a good couple of cleans and u get all the impurities out its all plain sailing .u need to have faith in your kit and maybe explain to customers that on the first clean there maybe small amounts of spotting. Not to insult u but once u have cleaned frames and glass are u rinsing down from top of glass or above .I found despite cleaning all the frames the lip obove the opener on window holds impurities so try and rinse from top of glass .once u get going u will earn more in less time :) .good luck .
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If its small spots all over the window then its the water or weather.
Even done badly you wont get spotting all over the glass.
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Where u life
Someone come round and show you
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I found wen I changed over normaly on the first and second clean light spotting in places but im sure your aware one they have had a good couple of cleans and u get all the impurities out its all plain sailing .u need to have faith in your kit and maybe explain to customers that on the first clean there maybe small amounts of spotting. Not to insult u but once u have cleaned frames and glass are u rinsing down from top of glass or above .I found despite cleaning all the frames the lip obove the opener on window holds impurities so try and rinse from top of glass .once u get going u will earn more in less time :) .good luck .
i clean frames then leave for a bit, then scrub glass but being careful not too touch top seal on glass, then i scrub in sideways fashion with rush on glass, then rinse with brush off glass, from bout an inch down from top of glass
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If its small spots all over the window then its the water or weather.
Even done badly you wont get spotting all over the glass.
it was gusty but im goin to check water now again :)
the window im talking about was cleaned this morning...ive checked it several times at it looked spotless...tonight tho there is a streetlight shining onit a certain way and watever way this light is shining on it i can see small spots ...surely this shudnt be the case?!
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Where u life
Someone come round and show you
im in dublin mate
ive looked at bout 20 youtube vids nd think my tecknique is alright thats why its annoying me >:(
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002ppm and my tds meter just fell in the bowl i was using to test it and wont work anymore! >:(
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How much water are you using? have you measured it in a jug from the jets? use a good flow mate
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what flow rate do you guys use?
i was using 22...... scrub frames leave for few mins, come back scrub glass up and down twice, then rinsing with brush on the glass in side to side motion down the window, then rinsing slowly with brush off glass but im noticing some small spotting on my own house still :(
help
arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
What's flow rate ;D
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How much water are you using? have you measured it in a jug from the jets? use a good flow mate
well i dunno its a flowmaster controller with 100 psi pump nd ive it set at 22 ...i had it much higher but i felt i was getting splashing on the window when rinsing and thought this might have been causing spots....
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If have not rinsed the frames enough you will get some residual dirt coming down .
You say you are not rinsing from top of glass , Their is your answer every inch of glass and frames needs to given a good rinse to make sure you have rinsed away all the dirt .
You must always rinse from top of glass all the years you have been trad detergent gets behind window seals and needs a good rinse to be certain their is non left in their .
Along with that flow rate plays apart you must have a really good flow not to fast not to slow to ensure you are able to rinse efficiently ,
After a good scrubbing with brush it is all about the RINSE . Mike
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If have not rinsed the frames enough you will get some residual dirt coming down .
You say you are not rinsing from top of glass , Their is your answer every inch of glass and frames needs to given a good rinse to make sure you have rinsed away all the dirt .
You must always rinse from top of glass all the years you have been trad detergent gets behind window seals and needs a good rinse to be certain their is non left in their .
Along with that flow rate plays apart you must have a really good flow not to fast not to slow to ensure you are able to rinse efficiently ,
After a good scrubbing with brush it is all about the RINSE . Mike
that top inch of the glass i wash and rinse while cleaning frames
then when cleaning and rinsing glass i clean below this top inch
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Assuming you are using cold water and a van mount with 100mtrs of microbore and a brush with 2mm pencil jets then i would say it may be possible your flow rate is to low .
Personally after the cleaning and rinsing of frames first , I then scrub the glass and i always rinse from the top edge of every pane of glass cleaned to ensure glass dries spotless . Mike
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002ppm and my tds meter just fell in the bowl i was using to test it and wont work anymore! >:(
tip = use the tiny base cup of the tds meter to measure your water quality.
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Assuming you are using cold water and a van mount with 100mtrs of microbore and a brush with 2mm pencil jets then i would say it may be possible your flow rate is to low .
Personally after the cleaning and rinsing of frames first , I then scrub the glass and i always rinse from the top edge of every pane of glass cleaned to ensure glass dries spotless . Mike
but once the seals get wet again do you not get more run offs down the glass mike, causing streaks
thanks mate, this is stressing me out!
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002ppm and my tds meter just fell in the bowl i was using to test it and wont work anymore! >:(
tip = use the tiny base cup of the tds meter to measure your water quality.
thanks mate i will in future
drying my meter now on radiator, will it ever work again?!!!!!!!!!!
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The idea about using Pure Water System is to get the frames and glass sterile with the cleaning of pure water.
As long as the frames and glass have been cleaned and rinsed throughly then you will no issues at all. Mike
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If you can trad that piece of glass to rule out its not just poor glass.
When I switched it opened my eyes to how much crap glass there is,I think we notice it a lot more than customer we have a good eye,doing this for a living.
Spots can be ingrained in glass.
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If you can trad that piece of glass to rule out its not just poor glass.
When I switched it opened my eyes to how much crap glass there is,I think we notice it a lot more than customer we have a good eye,doing this for a living.
Spots can be ingrained in glass.
I was going to say the exact same.
When I switched over I checked some windows and thought they were spotted all over when I looked at them a certain way (with the sun directly behind you, or street light)
I was so bothered about it that I did them again trad and realised it was little spots all over the glass that could not be cleaned off. It was erosion or a deposit of some sort.
I had been cleaning them for years and never even noticed.
When we were trad we didn't take a blind bit of notice, just soap it up, blade it off. Window dry, then moved on. Now I think we can be far too critical with ourselves and paranoid.
Check to see if those marks come off with a cloth tom. If they do, then it's a water/technique problem. If they can't be shifted then you know they have been there a while. :)
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how agressive pressure wise on a scale of 1 to 10 wud u guys say u were when scrubbing the glass?
id say i was bout 3/4 out of ten.... maybe bit light nd too nice with the glass?!!!
thanks jonny good point but im just trying to start as i mean to continue
u 100% right bout being paranoid and looking spots..thats certainly me :)
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Your flow rate seems a little low I would recommend at least 30 to 35 I find this a good amount to rinse consistently.
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Good luck it is hard to change over some won't like it no matter what you do , but it will get easier . I use 2mm jets usually 4 of these and a flow rate of 77
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how agressive pressure wise on a scale of 1 to 10 wud u guys say u were when scrubbing the glass?
id say i was bout 3/4 out of ten.... maybe bit light nd too nice with the glass?!!!
thanks jonny good point but im just trying to start as i mean to continue
u 100% right bout being paranoid and looking spots..thats certainly me :)
I'd say that your pressure on the glass is about right. You don't need to >:( mulla the glass at all. Gentle pressure should be fine unless you encounter a particularly stubborn piece of crap! ;D
If you exert too much pressure, you'll only end up bending your bristles on the brush quicker than normal and wasting your energy.
It seems that you're very conscientious, so you'll be ok m8. Enjoy the crack ;D
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Good luck it is hard to change over some won't like it no matter what you do , but it will get easier . I use 2mm jets usually 4 of these and a flow rate of 77
You must be water logging peoples gardens with that amount of water , I Use 1mm pencil jets aka Clarkes 1mm welding tips fits perfectly straight into Gardiners brushes . Mike
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I use the flow meters spring use
i have 60 meters of microbore hose.. use the jets gardiners supply as standard (not sure what size they are) and i have mine on 21-24 that's not for first cleans though .
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how agressive pressure wise on a scale of 1 to 10 wud u guys say u were when scrubbing the glass?
id say i was bout 3/4 out of ten.... maybe bit light nd too nice with the glass?!!!
thanks jonny good point but im just trying to start as i mean to continue
u 100% right bout being paranoid and looking spots..thats certainly me :)
I'd say that your pressure on the glass is about right. You don't need to >:( mulla the glass at all. Gentle pressure should be fine unless you encounter a particularly stubborn piece of crap! ;D
If you exert too much pressure, you'll only end up bending your bristles on the brush quicker than normal and wasting your energy.
It seems that you're very conscientious, so you'll be ok m8. Enjoy the crack ;D
ha ha will tho :)
thanks mate
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I use the flow meters spring use
i have 60 meters of microbore hose.. use the jets gardiners supply as standard (not sure what size they are) and i have mine on 21-24 that's not for first cleans though .
i tried 30 last night and glass came up perfect :)
i think my flow was too low
thanks guys
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Tom - Im sure I told you about leaving an inch or so from the top frame when rinsing?
This is correct.
You give the frame a really good going over, then give the glass a good going over, then rinse leaving the inch from the top of frame.
Yes people can argue that if the frame is clean then there is no need to leave the inch, but no point even risking the run marks.
If you clean ALL frames on the whole house first, then go back and clean the glass on the first window (frame should be basiclly dry ish), then rinse with you inch gap... bobs ya uncle and zero chance of water drips/runs.
cha ching ££$$ ;)
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Tom - Im sure I told you about leaving an inch or so from the top frame when rinsing?
This is correct.
You give the frame a really good going over, then give the glass a good going over, then rinse leaving the inch from the top of frame.
Yes people can argue that if the frame is clean then there is no need to leave the inch, but no point even risking the run marks.
If you clean ALL frames on the whole house first, then go back and clean the glass on the first window (frame should be basiclly dry ish), then rinse with you inch gap... bobs ya uncle and zero chance of water drips/runs.
cha ching ££$$ ;)
Leave an inch from the top of the frame, or leave an inch between the frame and the top of the glass? Occasionally, on one or two windows each day there are spots in the corner where a few dirty water droplets have dried but I can't work out where I'm going wrong to stop this happening (it's not the water), though I am only my second wfp clean of each house from trad.
Today I cleaned three downstairs hopper windows three slightly different ways, to see which worked best - two came up really well, one had the spots in the corner. I can't remember which way I cleaned each one smh! ::)roll